WWI Digest 4778 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Washes and panel lines by "Mike Muth" 2) Re: A buncha guys named Larry by "Dave Burke" 3) Re: A buncha guys named Larry by "Dave Burke" 4) Re: Squadron, Roden etc by Ken Schmitt 5) Re: Squadron, Roden etc by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 6) Re: Squadron, Roden etc by Larry Marshall 7) Re: Squadron, Roden etc by "Michael Kendix" 8) Re: Squadron, Roden etc by Larry Marshall 9) Re: Squadron, Roden etc by "Michael Kendix" 10) Re: Squadron, Roden etc by Larry Marshall 11) Jadar sources by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: Washes and panel lines by Ray 13) Re: Squadron's kit of the year by "Brent Theobald" 14) Re: Washes and panel lines by "Brent Theobald" 15) Re: Washes and panel lines by "Shane Weier" 16) Re: Jadar sources by Ray 17) Re: Jadar sources by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 18) Casting supplies by "Fraser" 19) Gleaned from Hyperscale........... by "Shane Weier" 20) Re: Gleaned from Hyperscale........... by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 21) Re: Jadar sources by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 22) Re: Jadar sources by Ray 23) Taxis of the Marne by Karen Rychlewski 24) Another decal question.... by "Shane Weier" 25) 欢迎来到深圳网络书店 by "深圳网络书店" <998@21cn.com> 26) Re: Jadar sources by Crawford Neil 27) Spad 19 by Crawford Neil 28) RE: Another decal question.... by Crawford Neil 29) RE: Another decal question.... by "Shane Weier" 30) RE: Another decal question.... by Crawford Neil 31) Re: Spad 19 by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:05:31 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Washes and panel lines Message-ID: <003201c28c32$55691a40$92d2bacc@ptdprolog.net> Mike K wrote: The rule is you mustn't use the same base to do the wash as your paint job. > If the paint's acrylic, the wash should be non-acrylic-based. If the paint > job's enamel, the wash should be non-oil-enamel based. I agree. I don't do a lot with washes....just on engines. I use ModelMasters Silver (enamel) and then use a wash of diluted Poly-S black. Works just fine. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:45:57 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: A buncha guys named Larry Message-ID: <002101c28c37$fbb92520$47ed79a5@s0024008072> > No herpetologist I. Really can't abide the slithery beasties. Actually the > handle came from being the crew chief of my son's race car. Pete > > AHA!! THAT kind of 'pit'!! Truly cool, and a good handle as any! I ain't complaining!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:47:55 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: A buncha guys named Larry Message-ID: <004101c28c38$41afe960$47ed79a5@s0024008072> > >>>>>> are you by chance a herpetologist? > >Fascinating subject, I always thought. > ------ herpetologist ? isnt that somebody afflicted by an > unmentionable disease? > > BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Hell, even I avoided THAT one!! DB ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:25:50 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Squadron, Roden etc Message-ID: Larry & Michael- > I think it's OK for us to talk about this issue - it's certainly related > directly to our hobby. Just didn't want his name attached to a potential issue 'in public' as it were. Otherwise, I figure we can talk about anything we want, given good sense (a wide boundary, that). > > I order from Squadron on the phone - I find this more reassuring than email > and they can also tell me if it's in stock. In the last year or so I have > made 3 orders (I think) and they've all arrived within about 7-10 days - no > problems. Thus, I have no problem with them on delivery. Agree. Was peeved and the exclusivity thing gave me hives. It's worth noting here I have also enjoyed excellent service from Squadron and have shared that here as well when someone asks. I think it a bit of a misrepresentation for a business to take your order and partial ship, but what *is shipped* comes to me with exactly the same satisfaction you both have experienced. Online convenience is nice. Phone is really the better method for Squadron and that is where I put them on my list. I had asked why some Eduard kits had been difficult (for me) to secure this summer and this is where exclusivity entered the picture. Conjecturally. I purchased a newer Alb D.V kit from a list member because no one else was carrying it. We did that transaction in a matter of days. > > The Roden exclusivity thing is a different matter. Yep. what do you think? Between Special Hobby & Roden, Eduard & others, things are looking great for both scales. Hearing a fly in the ointment kinda blunts that a bit. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:46:24 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Squadron, Roden etc Message-ID: <1037321184.3dd443e05d665@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Ken Schmitt : > what do you think? > Between Special Hobby & Roden, Eduard & others, things are looking great > for > both scales. What 1/72 and 1" to 6' ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:29:10 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Squadron, Roden etc Message-ID: <200211142029.11113.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Was peeved and the exclusivity thing gave me hives. I don't know the plastics model business but unless you can think of some reason why people in Europe producing flying models are somehow different from people in Europe producing plastic models, some stuff I've seen and discussed with manufacturers may apply. These things are: 1) exclusivity is often driven by a minimum order situation. A company sees that it can export X number of kits in tiny piles of kits to some place far away or they can ship a ton of them in a container load to one place. They like the later circumstance. 2) companies that own both large distribution arms as well as mail order distribution to individuals are always favored by exporters. Besides the volume issue those dual-function companies are spending lots of money advertising products, sending them to magazines for review, etc. Here, a real life example is useful in illustrating this. There are two HUGE distribution companies for flying models. One had a mail order arm while the other decided that they didn't want to compete with those stores they were distributing to and thus they had no mail order arm. By 1998 the second company just couldn't compete for product lines with the other company and also, customers that didn't have access to stores they distributed to complained that they wanted to buy direct. Of course the result was that they now have a mail order wing and now have many more products lines that they distribute. 3) When it comes to 'exclusivity', most European companies are fickle as they come. Even those who have produced products designed by certain companies within the US and for 'exclusive' distribution by that company have become very 'non-exclusive' from that manufacturer if the manufacturer felt they could sell more kits by doing so. There are so many examples of this in the flying model world that "exclusive" has become fodder for many jokes within the industry. 4) One other point, and this is more subtle, is that in the flying model world, a lot of this is driven by the fact that all the little guys don't want (can't) carry inventory and thus they rely upon the big guys as their warehouse. Then the little guys complain that they can't compete with the big guys. To that I simply say "Duh" as that seems self-fulfilling on any level I can calculate. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:41:02 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Squadron, Roden etc Message-ID: >From: Larry Marshall >These things are: > >1) exclusivity is often driven by a minimum order situation. >2) companies that own both large distribution arms as well as mail >order >distribution to individuals are always favored by exporters. >Besides the >volume issue those dual-function companies are spending >lots of money >advertising products, sending them to magazines for >review, etc. Absolutely correct - science and math majors always did the best in my economics classes. An important point though is that you've focused only on the cost or producer side of things - and neglected the poor consumer. If a company has exclusive distribution rights, they are in a position to set price, with the cooperation of theier supplier. The spolis of this monopoly will be split between the manfacturer and the vendor but ultimately, market prices are likely to be higher. of course, as Larry points implies, there may be no other cost-eefective way for the manufacturer to get the goods to market. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:26:29 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Squadron, Roden etc Message-ID: <200211142126.29926.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Absolutely correct - science and math majors always did the best in my > economics classes. I love economics. But I wasn't reporting an economic analysis. Rather I was citing how the world turns in a slightly different portion of our hobby. > An important point though is that you've focused only > on the cost or producer side of things - and neglected the poor consumer. Actually I had a 'section' on consumers but figured the only way to get my msg to this list with its 3K msg limit was to delete it. The bottom line, however, is that Squadron is big because they've made a lot of people happy. This is true of guys like you and me and for all those people who are buying from them for resale. If that weren't true, they wouldn't be big, they wouldn't have the volume to allow them to gain import advantage and they wouldn't be a company that everyone wants to hate and buy from at the same time. So it goes with the likes of Walmart, Home Depot, and McDonalds and it's not likely to change any time soon. For what it's worth, I've ordered somewhere around $700 from Squadron in the past 6 months. They haven't missed a beat and the worst they've done on ship time has been 10 days and that included a holiday. I wish I could say that their competitors came anywhere close to those results. Maybe this is the most important part of the 'consumer side'. I'll climb out on a limb and say something that some may not like to hear, though it's no big secret. If the other mail order companies would stop lying to me with their online lists of every product on earth and start telling me what they actually have in stock, I'd be inclined to give my business to the smaller guys. If those same people would figure out that they need to understand shipping vehicles better than they do, I'd be even more inclined. As it is, they don't and so I won't. The exception that I've dealt with in the US is Rosemont who DOES understand both of these things and I always first check to see if I can get stuff from Barry before I order from Squadron. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:33:39 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Squadron, Roden etc Message-ID: >From: Larry Marshall >Actually I had a 'section' on consumers ... I knew it:). >The bottom line, however, is that Squadron is big because they've made >a >lot of people happy. No argument there - they've turned it around in the last year or two and are well run. >The exception that I've dealt with in the US is Rosemont who DOES > >understand both of these things and I always first check to see if I >can >get stuff from Barry before I order from Squadron. I agree - in my experience, Rosemont and Squadron are easiest to deal with among US vendors - no question. Abroad, the best I've dealt with is NKR Models, who are amazing in turnaround given the distance involved. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:59:19 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Squadron, Roden etc Message-ID: <200211142259.19291.larrym@sympatico.ca> > No argument there - they've turned it around in the last year or two and > are well run. I only know them from the last 6 months but they've gotten too much of my money :-) > I agree - in my experience, Rosemont and Squadron are easiest to deal with > among US vendors - no question. Abroad, the best I've dealt with is NKR > Models, who are amazing in turnaround given the distance involved. i've only ordered from NKR once and was disappointed. It wasn't from anything they did but somewhere in the New York area the box got dissected and all the parts from the half a dozen kits dumped out and then shoved back into flimsy Roden boxes. My guess is that then someone sat on it :-) It also took a long time to get to me in Canada, though people in the US say that shipping is quick from NKR. Go figure. The absolutely amazing thing about this shipment is that in spite of all this abuse, once I sorted out all the parts into their proper boxes, the only things that were damaged were the Roden boxes themselves and I think they're created already damaged :-) The best overseas service I've gotten has come from Aeroclub. They are truly amazing, getting stuff to me from the UK faster than I can get it from the US. I don't know how he does it. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:09:12 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Jadar sources Message-ID: Has anyone seen the Nieuport 17 from Jadar models? I see it's on their web site. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:45:09 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org, Mike Kavanaugh Subject: Re: Washes and panel lines Message-ID: <200211142045.09348.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Many thanks to everyone for the advice on washes. My all orange ot model will look a whole lot better now. I think I understand what I was doing wrong, and now its just down to practice. As usual the members of this list have come to my rescue. This list is like a the best IPMS club you can think of and so very much more. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:56:49 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Squadron's kit of the year Message-ID: Howdy! > >nieuport monoplane, resin nieuport, corrected nieuport, dorky nieuports > >LOL > >Shane > >Dorme, Nungessor, avions, storks, cigognes Hah ha! I should have added a Jacobs in there too. You know he's a Jacobs nut too. Not only does he have the poor taste to *love* Nieuports he's into boring airplanes painted all black. Yaaawn! At least they have interesting paintings on the side and are German. Gettin' any work done? Me neither. My models are all packed up for the move. I was jonesing for a model fix so I thought I'd swing by Phil's Hobby shop and pick up a D.VII or a Dr.I. Nope! Sold out. Sheesh! I can't get a break. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:03:02 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Washes and panel lines Message-ID: Hey Ray, Thanks for all the compliments. You are absolutely correct about the list. I hope you gleaned a nugget out of something I wrote. (A rare occurance eh?) >This list is like a the best IPMS club you can think of and so very > much >more. Well, I could imagine less old guys, sporting thick glasses, beards and beer bellies and more go-go dancers about. "I go cuckoo for go-go boots!" Sorry for the excessive ot posts, but as I said, all my modeling gear is packed up. :-( Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:08:41 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Washes and panel lines Message-ID: Brent >Sorry for the excessive ot posts, but as I said, all my modeling gear is >packed up. :-( Heck mate, I don't even have an excuse. Incidentally, as one who moved house twice in teh last 6 months remember - it'll all be over one day. Eventually. ;-) Hey, *I* have my modelling stuff back ! Shane _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:59:48 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jadar sources Message-ID: <200211142059.48504.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Not only is there a Nieuport but Ardpol have a 1/72 Morane On Thursday 14 November 2002 20:11, you wrote: > Has anyone seen the Nieuport 17 from Jadar models? I see it's on their web > site. > > Michael > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:21:38 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Jadar sources Message-ID: <016301c28c66$dfcbbf60$9a4e2dcb@future> I looked and couldn't see the Nieuport. Can someone supply a direct link please ? Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Jadar sources > Not only is there a Nieuport but Ardpol have a 1/72 Morane > > On Thursday 14 November 2002 20:11, you wrote: > > Has anyone seen the Nieuport 17 from Jadar models? I see it's on their web > > site. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:26:34 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Casting supplies Message-ID: <001501c28c67$b7ebcfc0$fe78a8c0@pc145681> Pedro has a prob.... http://www.tiranti.co.uk/ Pedro I know this lot, the shop is best avoided if you have a credit card.... They do *everything* to do with sculpture - materials, books etc. If nothing else, looking at their site may give you a few ideas. I think also that some of the art supply shops in Lisboa might be able to help. Basically the easiest way to do 'bits', once you have a master is with silicon moulding rubber - it'll take the heat from low-melt white metal (safer than lead).... I have a book on the technique - in the loft back in Britain. I think Tiranti do various pamhplets. I always found them very helpful FWIW etc. boa sorte, F ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:33:27 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Gleaned from Hyperscale........... Message-ID: Posted just the way I read it............ Shane ========================================================= ALERT! New kits 1/72! COMING SOON!!! Thu Nov 14 21:45:31 2002 195.138.67.66 Hi All! New manufacturer Olimp Models (Ukraine) is going for release of aircraft kits (injection) 1/72. Curtiss Jenny JN-4D early (74 parts) and Curtiss N-9H ( 96 parts) at the end of January, 2003. Curtiss JN-4D late (74 parts), Curtiss JN-4H (74 parts) and Cutiss JN-4HG (78 parts) in current 2003. Happy modelling Oleg Rozentsvayg _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:42:58 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Gleaned from Hyperscale........... Message-ID: <016d01c28c69$dacba8b0$9a4e2dcb@future> I tried to find a link to this company and cant. Anyone know anything about them ? Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: [WWI] Gleaned from Hyperscale........... > Posted just the way I read it............ > > Shane > > ========================================================= > ALERT! New kits 1/72! COMING SOON!!! > Thu Nov 14 21:45:31 2002 > 195.138.67.66 > > Hi All! > > New manufacturer Olimp Models (Ukraine) is going for release of aircraft > kits (injection) 1/72. > Curtiss Jenny JN-4D early (74 parts) and Curtiss N-9H ( 96 parts) at the end > of January, 2003. > Curtiss JN-4D late (74 parts), Curtiss JN-4H (74 parts) and Cutiss JN-4HG > (78 parts) in current 2003. > > Happy modelling > Oleg Rozentsvayg > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:44:09 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Jadar sources Message-ID: <017b01c28c6a$04d2efb0$9a4e2dcb@future> D!OH at me, I found it .. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Jadar sources > I looked and couldn't see the Nieuport. Can someone supply a direct link > please ? > > Cheers > > Ross > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:17 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Jadar sources > > > > Not only is there a Nieuport but Ardpol have a 1/72 Morane > > > > On Thursday 14 November 2002 20:11, you wrote: > > > Has anyone seen the Nieuport 17 from Jadar models? I see it's on their > web > > > site. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:46:48 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jadar sources Message-ID: <200211142146.48851.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> A while ago someone posted something about a set of decals (Eagle Strike??) for Nieuports in Bolshevik markings. Can whoever did please send me the sheet number. Thanks, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:10:44 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: aa-to post Subject: Taxis of the Marne Message-ID: <3DD48FE3.90DC0ED8@earthlink.net> While rummaging through boxes of old kits and parts, I discovered I have a kit for a 1907 Renault taxicab. My mind immediately jumped to a small diorama of the 'Taxis of the Marne'--an interesting episode from 1914 when all the taxis of Paris were commandeered to transport reserve troops to the Battle of the Marne. There's a very brief description and photo of a Renault taxi at http://www.renault.com/gb/passion/collection.cfm?page=11909_taxitypeag Does anyone know if there was a standard color for 1914 Paris taxicabs? Like the London cabs are still all black. And Yellow Cabs are...yellow. The photo at the above site has a nice wine red body with yellow wheels and frame (cool); the kit boxtop has a white body with white wheels and frame (boring...). If I do this little scene, what color can I paint the body/frame/wheels of my Marne-bound taxi? Did the taxi drivers wear uniforms? Or civvies? I've already tried a search for the subject and found no better info than the above site Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:22:00 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Another decal question.... Message-ID: Hi all, I jut placed an order with Earl at NKR for a Christmas present to me from SWMBO (who won't deal with scum like polystyrene distributors ;-) She chose to get me the Special Hobby SPAD which is nice, so I'm a'wondering what markings I'll put on it when (I ever) build it. Since Matt will no doubt rub his cloven hooves together in glee that I'm building a *French* aircraft, and since none of the kit subjects really appeal, I'm thinking it should have a nice *Belgian* finish. IIRC I have an Aeromaster sheet with a Belgian SPAD VII marked with the comet unit insignia, but don't recall whether anyone ever commented on the accuracy of those markings. Anything known? I'm a bit dubious about Aeromaster's research Mmmm. I wonder if I have anything Italian? A better RFC option? Shane nieuports nieuport nieuport VVS _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. 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Can whoever did please > send me the sheet > number. > > Thanks, Ray > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:16:37 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Spad 19 Message-ID: Does anybody know anything more about the Spad 19 in the FMP book. In the only picture I've ever seen it seems to be an extended wing Spad 11/16, with an extra strut, mid wing. What was it intended for? High altitude rec? /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:36:46 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Another decal question.... Message-ID: Shane is getting a Spad 7, and thinking of RFC markings. Wouldn't that be a great idea for a cook-up, French aircraft in RFC markings, there'd be Spads, Nieuports, Moranes, did the RFC ever get any Breguets? /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:46:43 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Another decal question.... Message-ID: Neil suggests: >Shane is getting a Spad 7, and thinking of RFC markings. >Wouldn't that be a great idea for a cook-up, French aircraft >in RFC markings, Only to irritate Matt. But I'd be just as annoyed looking at all those French aircraft being built when decent airplanes could be the subject. >there'd be Spads, Nieuports, Moranes, >did the RFC ever get any Breguets? Gack. I *hope* not. ;-) Shane _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:57:16 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Another decal question.... Message-ID: But I'd be just as annoyed looking at > all those > French aircraft being built when decent airplanes could be > the subject. Oh great, there's another good reason, killing two bird with one stone! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:18:23 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Spad 19 Message-ID: <009301c28c90$54517900$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I recall an article by Colin Owers in Windsock dealing with a late model Spad with strange angled struts, but I can't recall if this one was a XIX or not. BTW I'm very glad today, the friendly postman left me a reminder on the mailbox to go get a package from the states with a BOOK in it! Must be the FMP tome at last! yipeee! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:18 AM Subject: [WWI] Spad 19 > > Does anybody know anything more about the Spad 19 in the FMP > book. In the only picture I've ever seen it seems to be an > extended wing Spad 11/16, with an extra strut, mid wing. > What was it intended for? High altitude rec? > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4778 **********************