WWI Digest 4750 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) state of the art by Ken Schmitt 2) Fraser's Rigging-Interesting by "Fraser" 3) Re: Fraser's Rigging-Interesting by "Shane Weier" 4) First WWI kit to build????? by vicsterr@att.net 5) Re: Fraser's Rigging-Interesting by "Shane Weier" 6) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 7) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by "Michael Kendix" 8) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by "Shane Weier" 9) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by Larry Marshall 10) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by "Mike Muth" 11) Re: Its finished by "Matt Bittner" 12) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by Ray 13) Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you sent. The inf by NAV for Microsoft Exchange-SVEXCH01 14) RE: Bloody Vikings!!! by "Lee M." 15) RE: Bloody Vikings!!! by "Lee M." 16) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by "Lee M." 17) Re: Its finished by Ray 18) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by Eric GALLAUD 19) Virus Report to Sender by domath01/Olympic/GR%OLYMPIC-AIRWAYS@olympic-airways.gr 20) RE: Bloody Vikings!!! by "Dave Burke" 21) Aviation book links you asked for by =?iso-8859-1?q?Max_Mueller_/_Lincoln_Modeller=B4s_Club_?= 22) Aviation book links you asked for by =?iso-8859-1?q?Max_Mueller_/_Lincoln_Modeller=B4s_Club_?= 23) Re: Its finished by "Pedro Soares" 24) Re: First WWI kit to build????? by "Pedro Soares" 25) RE: Bloody Vikings!!! by "Lee M." 26) Aviation book links you asked for by =?iso-8859-1?q?Max_Mueller_/_Lincoln_Modeller=B4s_Club_?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:35:53 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: state of the art Message-ID: Shane sez: > It's a problem. Maybe another facet of our hobby is disappearing ;-) This is what is meant by "all thumbs", perhaps. -Ken now. where did I put that OptiVisor. . . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:44:23 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Fraser's Rigging-Interesting Message-ID: <000d01c282b9$060cfbb0$fe78a8c0@pc145681> Yep, that's more or less what I was doing when it occurred to me that maybe doubling it would produce a RAF-ish wire. Cheers, F Fraser, I really like your method of raf rigging. It would be interesting to try this method with single strand as well. Just create your loop-thru and cut one strand off??? Very nice Snipe too. Graham ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 07:59:50 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fraser's Rigging-Interesting Message-ID: Fraser says: >Yep, that's more or less what I was doing when it occurred to me that maybe >doubling it would produce a RAF-ish wire. We had a Japanese member years ago who did the same thing - for both single and double wires, but not for RAF wires. I copied him and used it on an SE5a a couple of years ago, neat but a bit fiddly with my eyesight! Shane _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:28:38 +0000 From: vicsterr@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: <20021102222837.PDOR8836.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> I'm new to WWI modeling, but have been in the hobby over 30 years, and have built about every type of model. My preference, until I got bit by the WWI bug, is Russian WWII 1/48, Helicopters (Blackhawks, I'm an ex-Army H-60 Flight Engineer), Japanese WWII 1/72, Seaplanes (floats or hull floating) 1/72, and now German WWI 1/72. I've got Eduards Dr.1 series, Albatross Series, Fokker EIV, and Fokker DVIII/EV. Roden Pfalz DIIIa, Fokker DVI and DVII, and Gotha GII/III, Mac Pfalz DIIIa, and Pegasus Albatross DIII (Oef). Just got a 1/48 Eduard Nieuport 17 as a possible first, but I'd like some input from those of you that have been doing this for a while. I guess the thing that's kept me from starting something is the rigging, I don't think it's hard, but which method do I go with? Any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks Vic Russell JR. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 08:32:00 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fraser's Rigging-Interesting Message-ID: Fraser says: >Yep, that's more or less what I was doing when it occurred to me that maybe >doubling it would produce a RAF-ish wire. We had a Japanese member years ago who did the same thing - for both single and double wires, but not for RAF wires. I copied him and used it on an SE5a a couple of years ago, neat but a bit fiddly with my eyesight! Shane _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:36:37 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: <00b501c282c0$4e6ea140$1b4e2dcb@future> Eduard Nie 17 would be a great start. Very little rigging to worry about. Many different and colourful decals options for it too. If you buy after market decals. Also welcome from Australia. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: [WWI] First WWI kit to build????? > I'm new to WWI modeling, but have been in the hobby over 30 years, and have > built about every type of model. My preference, until I got bit by the WWI bug, > is Russian WWII 1/48, Helicopters (Blackhawks, I'm an ex-Army H-60 Flight > Engineer), Japanese WWII 1/72, Seaplanes (floats or hull floating) 1/72, and > now German WWI 1/72. I've got Eduards Dr.1 series, Albatross Series, Fokker > EIV, and Fokker DVIII/EV. Roden Pfalz DIIIa, Fokker DVI and DVII, and Gotha > GII/III, Mac Pfalz DIIIa, and Pegasus Albatross DIII (Oef). Just got a 1/48 > Eduard Nieuport 17 as a possible first, but I'd like some input from those of > you that have been doing this for a while. I guess the thing that's kept me > from starting something is the rigging, I don't think it's hard, but which > method do I go with? Any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks Vic Russell > JR. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:46:35 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: JR: The Roden Fokker D.VII might be a possibility. Depending on the version, you may be able to avoid the lozenge schemes - assuming you want to keep things simple - and the rigging is minimal. I would agree with the Eduard Nieuport 17 as a good start though, unlike Matt Bittner, I've not built anything in 1/48th scale. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 08:49:00 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: Vic, First up - welcome to THE internet list. If you don't enjoy it here I'll be astonished given there's not a nicer or more knowledgeable bunch of folk on the entire internet. >I'm new to WWI modeling, but have been in the hobby over 30 years, and have >built about every type of model. That's good. We don't mind what you build so long as it's OT (OT==On Topic which roughly means WW1 and immediate postwar equipment used in WW1). Don't care if it's trains, planes, ships, tanks or automobiles though. >My preference, until I got bit by the WWI bug, >is Russian WWII 1/48, Oh dear. You'll be Matt's favourite now..... >Helicopters (Blackhawks, I'm an ex-Army H-60 Flight >Engineer), Japanese WWII 1/72, Seaplanes (floats or hull floating) 1/72, >and >now German WWI 1/72. 1/72 ? Awwww. Matt, take hime away !!!! (We have endless *humourous* scale wars - never mind them or jump right in) >I've got Eduards Dr.1 series, Albatross Series, Fokker >EIV, and Fokker DVIII/EV. Roden Pfalz DIIIa, Fokker DVI and DVII, and Gotha >GII/III, Mac Pfalz DIIIa, and Pegasus Albatross DIII (Oef). Just got a 1/48 >Eduard Nieuport 17 as a possible first, but I'd like some input from those >of >you that have been doing this for a while. I guess the thing that's kept me >from starting something is the rigging, I don't think it's hard, but which >method do I go with? Any input would be greatly appreciated, All real good kits. My recommendation - build an Eduard Dr.1 After 35+ years of building WW models it's the best fitting and eaiest build I ever made. Only took 4 weeks too - which is rocket speed for me Whatever you do choose, have fun and send us photos Shane (the Elder) in Brisbane, Australia _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.  Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:29:37 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: <200211021829.37917.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I'm new to WWI modeling, but have been in the hobby over 30 years, and have > built about every type of model. My preference, until I got bit by the WWI Welcome to WWI modeling. Basic differences is that we can never quite figure out what color things are supposed to be :-) > Just got a 1/48 Eduard Nieuport 17 as a possible first, but I'd like some > input from those of you that have been doing this for a while. I guess the Not a bad place to start as Eduard kits build well, are generally accurate and working in balloon scale might make the rigging easier. > thing that's kept me from starting something is the rigging, I don't think > it's hard, but which method do I go with? Any input would be greatly > appreciated My impression is that this is, more or less, scale dependent. Many 1/72 scale guys prefer either thin wire or stretched sprue, applying it as very thing 'sticks'. By contrast, more balloon scalers seem to prefer drilling holes and threading fine thread (monofilament) for rigging. There is, however, overlap of the techniques across scales. Personally I'm a 'thin stick' kind of guy and have only recently moved from stainless steel wire to stretched sprue. I prefer the later because it's easier to install it and get the length right. BUT, I'd recommend that you do at least one model with each technique. Only in this way can you find the one that you like best. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:54:14 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: <000e01c282d3$886f48a0$a8d6bacc@ptdprolog.net> Yep...I agree with Ross on this one. Simple rigging, lots of cool decals. Pretty simple color schemes, also...let's see there's aluminum, olive drab over aluminum, PC 10 and 2 color green. Did I leave any out? (Ducking for cover) Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross & Wendy Moorhouse To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: First WWI kit to build????? > Eduard Nie 17 would be a great start. Very little rigging to worry about. > Many different and colourful decals options for it too. If you buy after > market decals. > > Also welcome from Australia. > > Cheers > > Ross > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:30 AM > Subject: [WWI] First WWI kit to build????? > > > > I'm new to WWI modeling, but have been in the hobby over 30 years, and > have > > built about every type of model. My preference, until I got bit by the WWI > bug, > > is Russian WWII 1/48, Helicopters (Blackhawks, I'm an ex-Army H-60 Flight > > Engineer), Japanese WWII 1/72, Seaplanes (floats or hull floating) 1/72, > and > > now German WWI 1/72. I've got Eduards Dr.1 series, Albatross Series, > Fokker > > EIV, and Fokker DVIII/EV. Roden Pfalz DIIIa, Fokker DVI and DVII, and > Gotha > > GII/III, Mac Pfalz DIIIa, and Pegasus Albatross DIII (Oef). Just got a > 1/48 > > Eduard Nieuport 17 as a possible first, but I'd like some input from those > of > > you that have been doing this for a while. I guess the thing that's kept > me > > from starting something is the rigging, I don't think it's hard, but which > > method do I go with? Any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks Vic > Russell > > JR. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:22:06 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Its finished Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:08:42 -0500 (EST), Ray wrote: > Well I have finished demolishing Navarres Nieuport, the so called Sentinal of > Verdun. Hopefully it doesn't look too halloweenish. > > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/Navare3.jpg > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/Navare2.jpg > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/Navare1.jpg > > Thats my first French aircraft, it wasn't even that painfull ;) > > Now what do I do? Does anyone know anything about the all red painted > aircraft?? Awesome! Like your father before you, you will be mine. :-) Keep building Nieuports! Heavens, if Barry would ever release those resin sets, I'll be able to start in with some of my own... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:28:12 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: <200211021728.12243.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Welcome to the list Vic, If no or little rigging is required then what about the Roland CII, Eduard make one in the blind persons scale (1/48) and the Heller/Airfix 1/72 version might be old but its still a good and inexpensive model. Another suggestion would be the DML Fokker Dr1 (1/48), although we all know the best model is the Eduard 1/72 DR1, again not a lot of rigging. I would have said Fopkker DVII but the DML model is rarer than gold-dust these days. You'll love this list, best bunch of people on the net. As to scales.... Everyone knows 1/72 rules ;) Oh beware of Diego Fernetti, he's a little insane. Quite harmless and since he's getting married soon, his wife to be will soon have him fixed!! ;) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:30:38 -0600 From: NAV for Microsoft Exchange-SVEXCH01 To: "'wwi'" Subject: Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you sent. The inf Message-ID: <11263429B0E4D311896F002035AFC05902502729@SVEXCH01> This message is in MIME format. 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To: Subject: RE: Bloody Vikings!!! Message-ID: <001d01c282df$8de4dfa0$bf4d39cc@mesystem> I sent him a message and basically let him know he had no business in our life and he had sent his advisory to a WW I list server that didn't need his interference in things he would never understand.. He never could figure out he sent his foolishness to several hundred participants. Even after being told he thought it was only one person. Made him a bit less than happy. He figures he is doing everyone a favor by advising about virus messages he gets. I think he belongs to the U. N. Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Bloody Vikings!!! > Yep--seems like it's running 4-6 a day now. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Dave > Burke > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 11:28 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Bloody Vikings!!! > > > Has anyone noticed the jump in spam lately? Not only that, but somehow I > have been getting meesages indicating an infected file was sent to the List, > but not who from. Has everyone else been getting them too? > > Could it be a sign that the 'yellow peril' is planning to overwhelm our > trenches? > > > DB > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:34:26 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: RE: Bloody Vikings!!! Message-ID: <003301c282e1$87f618a0$bf4d39cc@mesystem> I forgot to mention...He said he would "Black Hole" the address and he would never receive any further messages from the site. We may now consider ourselves blessed. Lee M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Bloody Vikings!!! > Yep--seems like it's running 4-6 a day now. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Dave > Burke > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 11:28 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Bloody Vikings!!! > > > Has anyone noticed the jump in spam lately? Not only that, but somehow I > have been getting meesages indicating an infected file was sent to the List, > but not who from. Has everyone else been getting them too? > > Could it be a sign that the 'yellow peril' is planning to overwhelm our > trenches? > > > DB > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:52:39 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: <004f01c282e4$138c2060$bf4d39cc@mesystem> The DR1 in almost any scale. It has by far the least rigging of WW I aircraft other than the Fokker E-V /D-VIII. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: [WWI] First WWI kit to build????? > I'm new to WWI modeling, but have been in the hobby over 30 years, and have > built about every type of model. My preference, until I got bit by the WWI bug, > is Russian WWII 1/48, Helicopters (Blackhawks, I'm an ex-Army H-60 Flight > Engineer), Japanese WWII 1/72, Seaplanes (floats or hull floating) 1/72, and > now German WWI 1/72. I've got Eduards Dr.1 series, Albatross Series, Fokker > EIV, and Fokker DVIII/EV. Roden Pfalz DIIIa, Fokker DVI and DVII, and Gotha > GII/III, Mac Pfalz DIIIa, and Pegasus Albatross DIII (Oef). Just got a 1/48 > Eduard Nieuport 17 as a possible first, but I'd like some input from those of > you that have been doing this for a while. I guess the thing that's kept me > from starting something is the rigging, I don't think it's hard, but which > method do I go with? Any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks Vic Russell > JR. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:26:31 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Its finished Message-ID: <200211022026.31882.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> > On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:08:42 -0500 (EST), Ray wrote: > Well I have finished demolishing Navarres Nieuport, the so called > Sentinal of Verdun. Hopefully it doesn't look too halloweenish. > > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/Navare3.jpg > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/Navare2.jpg > http://www3.telus.net/Jasta2000/Navare1.jpg > Now what do I do? Does anyone know anything about the all red painted > aircraft?? I should have looked on Mike Fletchers site. There are two more profiles of Navarres Nieuports. Even the Red one that was muttering about. I just happen to have another Nieuport 11. Not to mention I know about all the mistakes I made on this build....... Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 05:57:30 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: <3DC4ACBA.7626715F@club-internet.fr> Hello Vic, and welcome on THE list, For your first you can choose the Eduard Fokker Dr1 1/72, there is few rigging, just enough to learn how you can manage that. I began with stretched sprue, but I changed for the monofilament method : - drill a hole half way through the top of bottom wing - drill a hall through the top wing - attach the monofilament in the bottom wing with a few thick Cyanoacrylate glue - tighten the wire and put a little drop of CA glue to attach it Eh voila ! I use the second method as always as possible (I like the idea to have a functionnal rigging), otherwise, the first. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 06:59:05 +0200 From: domath01/Olympic/GR%OLYMPIC-AIRWAYS@olympic-airways.gr To: wwi Subject: Virus Report to Sender Message-ID: Virus Incident Information Database: mail1.box Author: wwi Recipients: BetATebl@egt.o Subject: Without being specialised. If Date: 11-3-2002 The file attachment karhinv2[1].exe you sent to the recipients listed above was infected with the W32/Klez.h@MM virus and was deleted from the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:38:17 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: RE: Bloody Vikings!!! Message-ID: <003501c2830b$fa713fc0$c2e979a5@s0024008072> Good deal, It was like, there was a jump in Chinese spam, and it hit me both thru the List, and also thru my personal e-mail account. Did they just get better, or something? I think that some Chinese website thinks that I am some corporate CEO or something... DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:07:12 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Max_Mueller_/_Lincoln_Modeller=B4s_Club_?= Subject: Aviation book links you asked for Message-ID: <200211031104.GAA58132@mustang.sr.unh.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format --7052cea9-ef22-11d6-baa6-00308441cba8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Here are the links of aviation books you requested last week. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789489104/qid=3D1036312620/sr=3D= 2-1/ref=3Dsr_2_1/104-1769141-2811146 http://www.collectors-edition.de/QAU/Buchuebersicht.htm http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560982381/qid=3D= 1036312620/sr=3D1-8/ref=3Dsr_1_8/104-1769141-2811146?v=3Dglance http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841762237/qid=3D1036312839/sr=3D= 2-2/ref=3Dsr_2_2/104-1769141-2811146 http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1841763756/ref=3D= pd_bxgy_img_2/104-1769141-2811146?v=3Dglance http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/our_list.htm http://www.motorbooks.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/mbi.woa/46/wo/fC12PhmUHdwu2Zmvuo= w1zxwBbza/5.4.3.3.0 Hope you find something that is good as christmast gift for yourself ;-). See you next week! Max --7052cea9-ef22-11d6-baa6-00308441cba8-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:20:01 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Max_Mueller_/_Lincoln_Modeller=B4s_Club_?= Subject: Aviation book links you asked for Message-ID: <3DC5022C00000603@mta03.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) This is a multi-part message in MIME format --7052f522-ef22-11d6-baa6-00308441cba8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Here are the links of aviation books you requested last week. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789489104/qid=3D1036312620/sr=3D= 2-1/ref=3Dsr_2_1/104-1769141-2811146 http://www.collectors-edition.de/QAU/Buchuebersicht.htm http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560982381/qid=3D= 1036312620/sr=3D1-8/ref=3Dsr_1_8/104-1769141-2811146?v=3Dglance http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841762237/qid=3D1036312839/sr=3D= 2-2/ref=3Dsr_2_2/104-1769141-2811146 http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1841763756/ref=3D= pd_bxgy_img_2/104-1769141-2811146?v=3Dglance http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/our_list.htm http://www.motorbooks.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/mbi.woa/46/wo/fC12PhmUHdwu2Zmvuo= w1zxwBbza/5.4.3.3.0 Hope you find something that is good as christmast gift for yourself ;-). See you next week! Max --7052f522-ef22-11d6-baa6-00308441cba8-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:12:08 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Its finished Message-ID: <001301c28332$3b77b6e0$636e16d5@netcabo.pt> Looks great, Ray. How did you do the black linning? Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:19:17 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: First WWI kit to build????? Message-ID: <001d01c28333$3bf86320$636e16d5@netcabo.pt> Welcome from Portugal, JR If you go by Michael's advice, just be sure to cut a slice at each wing root on the bottom wing or cut the wing in half, logitudinally, at dead centre, and prepare to do some filling later on. Otherwise the wing won't fit. Of all the 1/72 stock you mention, I think the easiest would be the Eduard DV. (but I haven't yet finished my 2 examples, started more than 1 1/2 year ago....). Don't worry about 1/48: you get the same amount of holes to putty than in 1/72, only double the size... Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: First WWI kit to build????? > JR: > > The Roden Fokker D.VII might be a possibility. Depending on the version, > you may be able to avoid the lozenge schemes - assuming you want to keep > things simple - and the rigging is minimal. I would agree with the Eduard > Nieuport 17 as a good start though, unlike Matt Bittner, I've not built > anything in 1/48th scale. > > Michael > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 06:39:31 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: RE: Bloody Vikings!!! Message-ID: <003d01c28336$0ed4e0a0$904d39cc@mesystem> They have address gathering software. Obviously they also use it. The list sites are precious to them because one address gets messages to hundreds of reciepients. Doesn't take to many and they have millions of receivers on the other end. Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Burke" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Bloody Vikings!!! > Good deal, > > It was like, there was a jump in Chinese spam, and it hit me both thru > the List, and also thru my personal e-mail account. Did they just get > better, or something? I think that some Chinese website thinks that I am > some corporate CEO or something... > > DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 13:55:04 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Max_Mueller_/_Lincoln_Modeller=B4s_Club_?= Subject: Aviation book links you asked for Message-ID: <200211031253.HAA58377@mustang.sr.unh.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format --7053ee79-ef22-11d6-baa6-00308441cba8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Here are the links of aviation books you requested last week. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789489104/qid=3D1036312620/sr=3D= 2-1/ref=3Dsr_2_1/104-1769141-2811146 http://www.collectors-edition.de/QAU/Buchuebersicht.htm http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560982381/qid=3D= 1036312620/sr=3D1-8/ref=3Dsr_1_8/104-1769141-2811146?v=3Dglance http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841762237/qid=3D1036312839/sr=3D= 2-2/ref=3Dsr_2_2/104-1769141-2811146 http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1841763756/ref=3D= pd_bxgy_img_2/104-1769141-2811146?v=3Dglance http://www.ospreypublishing.com/list_by_period.php/per=3D36 http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/our_list.htm http://www.motorbooks.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/mbi.woa/46/wo/fC12PhmUHdwu2Zmvuo= w1zxwBbza/5.4.3.3.0 Hope you find something that is good as christmast gift for yourself ;-). See you next week! Max --7053ee79-ef22-11d6-baa6-00308441cba8-- ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4750 **********************