WWI Digest 4736 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Updates by Allan Wright 2) Re: another se5 gun question and another by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: Who on earth is Battle Axe? by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: Am I the only one? by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 5) Re: How do Rodens & Pegasus's Albs compare ?? by Michael Fletcher 6) Models by Hans and Andreas by Ken Schmitt 7) Re: Models by Hans and Andreas by Larry Marshall 8) Re: How do Rodens & Pegasus's Albs compare ?? by "Shane Weier" 9) Re: another se5 gun question and another by "Lee M." 10) Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons by "Mike Muth" 11) =?gb2312?q?=CA=D4=D2=BB=CF=C2=D5=E2=B8=F6=B0=C9=A3=A1?= by "cmaya.com" 12) Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons by "David C. Fletcher" 13) Re: another se5 gun question and another by Ray 14) GOODLUCK by "BUBA AHMED" 15) Re: How do Rodens & Pegasus's Albs compare ?? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 16) re: Overseas Postage by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 17) SPAD-Taube? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 18) Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons by Crawford Neil 19) Am I the only one? by "Fraser" 20) RE: Am I the only one? by Crawford Neil 21) RE: SPAD-Taube? by Crawford Neil 22) Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft by Dave F leming 23) RE: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft by Crawford Neil 24) Re: SPAD-Taube? by "Diego Fernetti" 25) Re: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft by "Diego Fernetti" 26) Re: Am I the only one? by "Shane Weier" 27) Re: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft by "Shane Weier" 28) Re: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 29) need help in selling Junk J.I kit on the E-Bay by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 30) =?GB2312?B?MTAwMDDN8tPKvP612Na3vNPTqs/6yO28/ta7ytsyNTDUqiEh?= by 31) =?gb2312?q?=CA=D4=D2=BB=CF=C2=D5=E2=B8=F6=B0=C9=A3=A1?= by "cmaya.com" <563336@yahoo.com> 32) Models from Hunland by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:30:54 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Updates Message-ID: <200210282030.PAA01317@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Hi everyone, I made a bunch of updates to the site today - great contrubutions from all. Check the news page for details. Thanks, Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:34:03 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: another se5 gun question and another Message-ID: <81.23a3f27f.2aeef93b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/27/02 7:01:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << Ghengis-Khan had a whole squadron of Bored Bankers flying pink and charteuse SE2's equiped with rapid fire Vickers Cross Bows using Constantinople interrupter gear. >> according to my 11th grade world history teacher (a looooong loooong time ago), evidence points to Ghengis Khan being only around 4' 3", so maybe he got better perfomance from his mount..... RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:34:35 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Who on earth is Battle Axe? Message-ID: <184.10facc87.2aeef95b@aol.com> In a message dated 10/25/02 1:37:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nieuport@rogers.com writes: << Could it be less accurate? What puzzles me about the Revell one is how no one understood the implications of the wheels being oval instead of round on the drawings - I would assume that the guy responsible for the wheels at the very least must have noticed. >> I've heard a lot of conflicting reports about this kit and I have no idea what's true. I've heard the kit was started back in the fifties during the same time when Revell was doing the other big three kits, and the unfinished molds languished for decades. I don't know if this is true. If it is, it probably means the kit was done up using mainly the Nieto drawings, which came out in the early 50s, and show a lot of the same errors as the kit. But the kit also has things that are non-Nieto, so a combination of sources must've been used. I built the thing when it was released, and made the major mods to correct it and was happy with the finished product....but that fuselage ( and resultant tail weirdness) did take some work...... RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:56:09 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Am I the only one? Message-ID: <004101c27ec4$71668870$1b4e2dcb@future> I came to have a love for planes which are made from stick and wire as a kid when seeing a Sopwith Pup replica and a DrI replica fighting it out at an airshow. Also reading Biggles as a kid got me interested. I think Neil E knows the Pup I mean too. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:56 AM Subject: [WWI] Am I the only one? > Paul's last message made me wonder: > > I turned to WW1 aicraft modelling because of our Site. Untill I discovered > it I had never done a ww1 model. Has this happened to anyone else out there? > > Pedro > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:02:02 -0500 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: How do Rodens & Pegasus's Albs compare ?? Message-ID: <3DBDA5CA.BB6BEE0@rogers.com> I wasn't talking of molds - they aren't required with this process. What is being carved by the machine is the actual object itself. The difficult part with the current system is converting drawings into a complex 3d object - errors are difficult to correct, and the skill of the master mold maker is rare. On the other hand a drawing is much easier to do - and easier to correct, and the computer then renders the drawing automatically. Of course this could be used to make molds as well but I don't see the point, unless large quantities are required, which isn't the case for the limited run kit market. BTW - how long did it take to do your illustrations minus the colour work and the hidden details? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:05:24 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Models by Hans and Andreas Message-ID: NICE! Andreas, it is exciting to see a Camel again. Beautifully done. I struggled with that kit and it was difficult for me. Twice as long to look half as good. Hans! You are so humble! The Albie you just shared is *artfully* done--subtle, gorgeous work. Please accept my compliments. The effort may have been mighty but it ended up where it belongs. thanks guys. -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:03:34 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Models by Hans and Andreas Message-ID: <200210281703.34963.larrym@sympatico.ca> Hans...beautiful Albatros. I also enjoyed your dialog on the 'subtleties' of being a modeler. It sounds like you were looking over my shoulder recently, though your end results are far better than my own. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:26:32 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: How do Rodens & Pegasus's Albs compare ?? Message-ID: Mike F says: >The difficult part with the current system is converting drawings into >a complex 3d object - errors are difficult to correct, and the skill >of the master mold maker is rare. On the other hand a drawing is much >easier to do - and easier to correct, and the computer then renders >the drawing automatically. However, consider this. A set of drawings is usually 3 view plus anumber of cross sections. It's no great problem for an expert to feed this data into a 3d milling system but a huge difficulty to get an accurate output from it. For a start, what do you tell the machine to do to the surface between the cross sections? Mill in a straight line? Do a best fit curve between stations? Go straight line between the last three stations and best fit curve between there and the firewall? What about that subtle change in section and curvature between section AA and section BB? How *many* sections do you need for the machine software to interpolate correctly (actually, the answer is probably infinite, but how many to be "close enough" and then what is "close enough" While the technology has great potential I suspect that the old old computer industry saw will still apply "Garbage in, garbage out" and any set of drawings not enormously more sophisticated than any we're used to now will qualify as insufficient to be better than garbage. >Of course this could be used to make molds >as well but I don't see the point, unless large quantities are >required, which isn't the case for the limited run kit market. >BTW - how long did it take to do your illustrations minus the colour >work and the hidden details? IMO Mark's excellent renderings represent an enormous amount of work by a real expert, yet are of reasonably simple subjects. In any case, if modelling is reduced to a keyboard and software exercise I'll find something else to do as a hobby. I spend several hours every day producing schematics, plans and 3 views at work and don't plan on being bored sh*tless at home as well. I get *my* thrills in modelling from using my hands to produce something tangible and (in my eyes) worthwhile using my barely adequate motor skills. The destination isn't as important to me as the journey and any technology used to skip the former enroute to the later is no improvement. Might just as well buy diecasts and sell my kits Of course, given that other modellers get *their* thrills by having large built collections YMMV and so it should be. Shane _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:47:18 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: another se5 gun question and another Message-ID: <019b01c27edc$5bcf1c80$994d39cc@mesystem> In addition to the stature problem with Genghis Khan just remember the size of the horses. Don't even start trying to imagine Marshall Dillon, ( James Arness) on one of those creatures. It would run off all alone and leave him standing there with both feet firmly planted on the ground. It might just run off when it saw him approaching. Additional thing. Genghis could have flown a 1/2 size replica of that SE5 and gotten great perfomance. It would also be much harder to see. And imagine the great fuel savings. Firing two Lewis BB guns might have been a problem. Lee M. Lee M. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: another se5 gun question and another > In a message dated 10/27/02 7:01:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: > > << Ghengis-Khan had a whole squadron of Bored Bankers flying pink > and charteuse SE2's equiped with rapid fire Vickers Cross Bows using > Constantinople interrupter gear. >> > > according to my 11th grade world history teacher (a looooong loooong time > ago), evidence points to Ghengis Khan being only around 4' 3", so maybe he > got better perfomance from his mount..... > RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:01:04 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons Message-ID: <000e01c27ede$467afd20$b8d2bacc@ptdprolog.net> This was first message I've gotten in over 2 days. Did I miss anything? Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:17 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons > > I think they were dissatisfied with the output/weight of the > chevys. The main reason for going to BMWs was that they paid > best, or more correctly offered the best package. > I heard after the Australian flight that they were discussing > another change, don't think it happened. Maybe they just put in > the best combination of power/weight/marketing value for each flight! > /Neil C. 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Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons Message-ID: <3DBDE2DF.4040407@mars.ark.com> Mike Muth wrote: > This was first message I've gotten in over 2 days. Did I miss anything? Nothing of Earth shaking importance, IMHO. However, you do raise an interesting point - I have been unsubscribed automatically every weekend for the past month. I assume that it has something to do with my cable provider. I now keep a 'subscribe' message ready to go and send it as soon as my morning mail box looks empty. Only once have I received an automated response back saying, in effect, "You,re already on the List, dummy", the rest of the times I have been welcomed to the List yet again... Davwe Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:24:58 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: another se5 gun question and another Message-ID: <200210281924.58070.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> On Monday 28 October 2002 12:35, you wrote: > In a message dated 10/27/02 7:01:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: > > << Ghengis-Khan had a whole squadron of Bored Bankers flying pink > and charteuse SE2's equiped with rapid fire Vickers Cross Bows using > Constantinople interrupter gear. >> > > according to my 11th grade world history teacher (a looooong loooong time > ago), evidence points to Ghengis Khan being only around 4' 3", so maybe he > got better perfomance from his mount..... > RK When they say Mongolian pony they really do mean Pony, so maybe not. Just as an aside a friend of ours used to have a Granddaughter clock which was a couple of hundred years old. Originally it had been custom made to allow for the owner to be placed inside after she died I suppose for a short period or it might have got a tad smelly. Supposedly she had a fear of being buried alive. Looking inside where she would have been placed there was only enough room for someone about 4 ft tall and very very slim. The front door of the clock was solid except for a little porthole type window. Imagine coming down to breakfast to be greeted by a dead person pearing back at you ...... Ray (Sorry it is nearly Halloween, stories true though) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:37:01 +0100 From: "BUBA AHMED" Subject: GOODLUCK Message-ID: <3DBD0B020006782A@mta02.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) FROM: BUBA AHMED DIRECT TEL: 234-1-776 1459 TEL: 234-1-804 4830 TEL: 873- 7625 33730 FAX: 873- 7625 33731 EMAIL: bubaahmed99@netscape.net ATTN: "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL" WE ARE MEMBERS OF A SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC). THIS COMMITTEE IS PRINCIPALLY CONCERNED WITH CONTRACT AWARDS AND APPROVAL. WITH OUR POSITIONS, WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY SECURED FOR OURSELVES THE SUM OF TWENTY-ONE MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS (US$21.5M). MY COLLEAGUES AND I DURING THE COURSE OF OUR OFFICIAL ASSIGNMENT AWARDED SERIES OF CONTRACTS TO FOREIGN FIRMS ON AGREED 5% COMMISSION OR PROFIT ON THEIR CONTRACT SUM. 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SO FOR YOU TO BE VERY SURE YOU ARE RIGHTLY SPEAKING WITH ME, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN YOU CALL AND ASK FOR ME, THE MOMENT I PICK UP THE PHONE, YOU SHOULD ASK ME FOR THE "CODE WORD" AND MY ANSWER WOULD BE "GOODLUCK" BEFORE WE PROCEED DISCUSSIONS, BUT IF I DO NOT SAY "GOODLUCK", THAT MEANS YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING WITH ME JUST DISCONNECT THE LINE AND CALL ME BACK TILL I GIVE YOU THE CODE WORD. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:14:19 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: How do Rodens & Pegasus's Albs compare ?? Message-ID: <000101c27f1e$06ac5960$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > I swapped mine for an Off Topic book. > > Michael With me! And I'm happy, because I've got some Pegasus kits cheaply, and I've never seen Pegasus before. I probably even build'em! G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:12:36 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Overseas Postage Message-ID: <000001c27f1e$05d22600$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Of course one solution would be for all you guys to move to the US. ;) > Ken Zelnick Disagree! Poland produces more quality OT kits than US I think! And that Czechs and Ukrainians! OT kit producing center is now in the middle of the Europe! If you decide to move to Poland, you'd be welcome! ;-) Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:59:16 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: SPAD-Taube? Message-ID: <001701c27f21$14435300$0200a8c0@grzesiek> http://204.83.160.230/archive/images8/RFGtaube.jpg Looks like SPAD fuselage with Taube wings. Diago and Neil can build ot together. G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:06:06 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons Message-ID: You must have missed lots. About this, last thing I saw was that BMW are trying to ban the Vimy from flying, because they are worried about product-liability. /Neil C. > This was first message I've gotten in over 2 days. Did I miss > anything? > Mike Muth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:17 AM > Subject: [WWI] Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons > > > > > > I think they were dissatisfied with the output/weight of the > > chevys. The main reason for going to BMWs was that they paid > > best, or more correctly offered the best package. > > I heard after the Australian flight that they were discussing > > another change, don't think it happened. Maybe they just put in > > the best combination of power/weight/marketing value for > each flight! > > /Neil C. (being cynical and probably unfair) > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:25:03 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Am I the only one? Message-ID: <000001c27f2c$070b8800$fe78a8c0@pc145681> Pedro escrive Paul's last message made me wonder: I turned to WW1 aicraft modelling because of our Site. Untill I discovered it I had never done a ww1 model. Has this happened to anyone else out there? Pedro I had wanted to do WWI stuff with a view to their colour making them interesting subjects for paintings. Seeing Eduards stuff in the shops here in Prague, I bought one (it's only the one, I thought) and then started looking on the web. in no time I fell into bad company in this den of iniquity and am now an addict with a building stack of OT subjects. My P-XXses and my F-XXXses (even there, nothing more recent than a Ph***om) sit unbuilt. ...I want a 1/32 Brisfit!!! OD on OT...(gibber, twitch) there's no way back.... do I need counselling? Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:17:13 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Am I the only one? Message-ID: want a > 1/32 Brisfit!!! OD on OT...(gibber, twitch) there's no way > back.... do I > need counselling? > Fraser No, just give in:-) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:30:06 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: SPAD-Taube? Message-ID: Yummy! /Neil C. > http://204.83.160.230/archive/images8/RFGtaube.jpg > Looks like SPAD fuselage with Taube wings. > Diago and Neil can build ot together. > G. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:38:26 +0000 From: Dave F leming To: Subject: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft Message-ID: <1035884305.3dbe571200335@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > The 32nd Neiuport 17 is being retooled, this will be followed by a > Camel, > two versions (Clerget engine) Aces, and (Le Rhone engine) Royal Flying > Corps. Now in spite of being an avowed 1/72 (and occasionally 1/144th) modeller, I could well be tempted by a 'big' Camel to build outwith my usual scale preference (for example, I have a 1/24th late mark (circa 1968)Sopwith in progress). A Pup would be even more enticing. I know lots of listees are multiscalar, but for those that are mono- or bi- scalar, is there any subject that would tempt you into a larger/smaller scale than normal ? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:46:44 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft Message-ID: Any DeHavilland. /Neil C. > I know lots of listees are multiscalar, but for those that > are mono- or bi- > scalar, is there any subject that would tempt you into a > larger/smaller scale > than normal ? > > Dave > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:03:35 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: SPAD-Taube? Message-ID: <00fd01c27f32$720c5b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Grzes! > http://204.83.160.230/archive/images8/RFGtaube.jpg > Looks like SPAD fuselage with Taube wings. I remember seeing this bird on the DeVries "Dove of War" book. Of course, after seeing so many similar aircraft you end not remembering a single detail of any of them. One of the things that get my attention while looking at taube-like aircraft is the extreme drag that those undercarriage assemblies must have produced. > Diago and Neil can build ot together. Do you have part # 43 at hand, Neil? It's not on the sprues here. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:07:45 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft Message-ID: <010301c27f33$070ac080$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave of the frozen tartans wrote: > I know lots of listees are multiscalar, but for those that are mono- or bi- > scalar, is there any subject that would tempt you into a larger/smaller scale > than normal ? I planned a house where there are an area above the living room wich will be empty until the roof of the second story. I always envisioned a couple of large scale models (1/6 or 1/8) hanging in that space: a LVG C.VI and an allied scout, but still can't decide wich. Mmmm.... maybe a project for my retirement. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:19:55 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Am I the only one? Message-ID: Fraser queries: >...I want a 1/32 Brisfit!!! OD on OT...(gibber, twitch) there's no way >back.... do I need counselling? No that's a perfectly understandable ambition... Shane _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:21:52 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft Message-ID: Dave, >I know lots of listees are multiscalar, but for those that are mono- or bi- >scalar, is there any subject that would tempt you into a larger/smaller >scale >than normal ? A 1/32 Staaken ? Eric ? Shane _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:59:16 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Out of the Usual, was re Hobbycraft Message-ID: <00b701c27f3a$39cc0d60$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Rather smaller than bigger. Probably 1/144 big Austrian bomber prototype, or a R 3-motor flying boat. And of course some OT ships, the best in the 1/400. G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:03:57 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: need help in selling Junk J.I kit on the E-Bay Message-ID: <00bd01c27f3a$e1940480$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Hi Friends! Has anybody some experience with selling kits on the E-Bay? I want to sell Czechmaster 1/72 resin Junkers J.I (guess why?) on the E-Bay, more for fun than for money, but of course money counts too. I can also sell it without auction to some of the list Friends who is a collector, and wants this kit anyway. Can someone help me to sell it? Any hints etc.? Please, contact me off list. Cheers! 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First, Andreas's Camel: Excellent build and paint job. You mention flaws, I haven't been able to discover none, except the *apparent* absence of clear inspection panels on the leading edges of the wings. Han's Albatros: Wonderful as well, I love the wooden shade of the fuselage. Hope I could have done my own model as good as this one (of course, I make mine in 1/72) Maybe someday with a Roden kit. The sheen of the metal parts and the underside of wings look most realistic. Well done! D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4736 **********************