WWI Digest 4725 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Italian Hanriot by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 2) Special Hobby Lloyd by "Robert Baumgartner" 3) New Italian books by Gianmaria Corona 4) Re: Armament of USA aquired Fokker D.V/D.VIII by "Diego Fernetti" 5) Re: New member by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: Did my bit today by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Re: New Italian books by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: New member by Gianmaria Corona 9) OFFLIST by "Diego Fernetti" 10) ooops! by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Special Hobby kits by Witold Kozakiewicz 12) Re: Special Hobby kits by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: New Italian books by Gianmaria Corona 14) Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII by "NEIL EDDY" 15) Re: Special Hobby kits by Witold Kozakiewicz 16) Re: Special Hobby kits by tbittners@sprintmail.com 17) Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 18) Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Re: Special Hobby kits by "Diego Fernetti" 20) Re: Special Hobby kits by Gianmaria Corona 21) Re: Special Hobby kits by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: Special Hobby kits by Gianmaria Corona 23) Re: Special Hobby kits by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 24) Re: Hansa Brandenburg D.1 Strut colors by "Lance Krieg" 25) Re: Special Hobby kits by tbittners@sprintmail.com 26) Re: Request info by "Lance Krieg" 27) Re: Special Hobby kits by Crawford Neil 28) Re: seeking advice on Proctor Enterprises by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 29) Re: Request info by Gianmaria Corona 30) Memorial Flight by tbittners@sprintmail.com 31) Re: Albatros wing-camouflage help! by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 32) Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:34:05 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Italian Hanriot Message-ID: <011901c27a77$5e9c6580$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > It's a pity that I usually don't buy windsock magazine. Me too, for the same reason... too expensive... It's better for me to buy the books I need, as I'm intrested almost only in Austrians and Italians. G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:01:35 +1000 From: "Robert Baumgartner" To: Subject: Special Hobby Lloyd Message-ID: <006701c27a6a$957d3cd0$7300080a@rbaum> Tom mentions: > The Lloyd is GREAT. It matches the GA's in Windsock Vol 6, No 1 - in fact it > may be more accurate, as those GA's appear to have an erroneously shaped > joint to the upper wing & ailerons. Photos and the drawing in Austro > Hungarian Army Aircraft of WW I (p 498) better match the kit - or visa versa. I agree, and the photos in that same Windsock article bare this out. In fact some of the kits that followed were criticised in this area when they were reviewed by RLR, as they had obviously followed Colin's mistake in his plans. Luckily Special Hoppy didn't fall into this as some other manufacturers did. The above article also has profiles that show painted metal panels all the way up to and including the pilot's surround. The metal panels around the engine I can agree with but I would have thought that the area around the cockpit would have been ply. Photos in the article don't help too much here due to the light reflection. In the kit, it is suggested that all these panels, including the engine ones, are wood! Surely not. Any thoughts? Rob B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:06:47 +0200 From: Gianmaria Corona To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New Italian books Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023115716.00a0cc80@pop.tiscalinet.it> At 05.51 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote: > > It's a pity that I usually don't buy windsock magazine. >Me too, for the same reason... too expensive... >It's better for me to buy the books I need, as I'm intrested almost only in >Austrians and Italians. >G. If you are so interested in Italians WW 1 planes, I want to inform you, and other people who have the same interests, that the Stato Maggiore Aeronautica (it would sounds more or less as Military Aviation Headquarter) has published two really good books; the first one is on the italian aviation group douring the ww 1 and the second one on all the italian aces douring the same period. The latter is even rich of color profiles. They are only written in italian, but they are really cheap (in Italy they cost about 25 euros and is a really good price for the amount of pages and pics they have). The book on italian aces will be soon published by shiffer in english, but with a very expensive price. If you are interested in some specific infos I'll be happy to fotocopy some pics. Ciao Gianmaria Corona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:00:32 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Armament of USA aquired Fokker D.V/D.VIII Message-ID: <010a01c27a83$685fabc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve! > There is a photo of MvR in the cockpit of what appears to be his red > Albatros. There is a jam clearing tool hanging by it's chain over the > side of the cockpit. On the cover of the Richthofen book by Albatros Ltd. But it's the key of the magneto switch. The Smithsonian book shows this same chain hanging inside the cockpit. Looks like the chain of the kitchen sink cork > The Spad XIII had a hammer mounted on the bearers that ran through the > cockpit. Visible on several Memorial Flight restoration pictures. However Dave W. asked for german planes... I really doesn't know if the hammer or mallet was a standard equipment of the aircraft, but sure it may prove handy. If your guns jammed, you can always throw a hammer to the obnoxious Frenchman/Briton/Amerikaner/Italian behind the tail! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:18:35 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: New member Message-ID: <016101c27a85$ed7b1220$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ciao Gianmaria A pleasure to have another Italian listee on board. Greetinngs from Argentina! I'm Martín Afflito's wingman. If I'm not mistaken, you live not far from Alberto. He's in charge of the Balilla restoration from the Bergamo Museum. > I'm 35 years old and I'm an aeronautics engineer. Excellent! You may be able to answer many or our very silly questions. Hope you can understand us... > I'll be happy to post and show you some pics of it, but I don't know how to > do it. Check the web gallery on the WW1 modelling page. There is some addresses where to send your jpgs. > you.....But, please be patient and understanding, my English is really poor! Not at all, at least I understood everything! A presto! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:22:50 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Did my bit today Message-ID: <01c401c27a86$85c6cd80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well done Steve! I'm sure he was delighted and amazed to see this strange aircraft with a stick that rotates on the radome. Sure He thinks that the engine intakes at the sides of the fuselage are amazingly short! ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: [WWI] Did my bit today > Just put a Heller Roland CL.II, a profile Pub, a 1/72 drawing and the > book Fighter Pilots of WWI in the hands of an 11 year old kid. :-) If > that don't lite a fire, there ain't one there to be lit. > > His mother works with my wife. You takes converts where you can find 'em. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:34:23 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: New Italian books Message-ID: <01d701c27a88$22c56d20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ciao Gianmaria Yes it's me again. > If you are so interested in Italians WW 1 planes, I want to inform you, and > other people who have the same interests, that the Stato Maggiore > Aeronautica (it would sounds more or less as Military Aviation Headquarter) > has published two really good books; the first one is on the italian > aviation group douring the ww 1 and the second one on all the italian aces > douring the same period. Maybe I'm worng, but I guess that these are the work of Roberto Gentilli. He's a fine gentleman who we meet some two years ago in Pensacola. I kept some snail mail correspondence with him since then and he told me that new volumes on WW1 aviation are on preparation, some of them with completely new material and as he told me "controversial". I'm looking forward to read that book. > The book on italian aces will be soon published by shiffer in english, but > with a very expensive price. IIRC about 40 USD D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:31:11 +0200 From: Gianmaria Corona To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New member Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023132717.00a002d0@pop.tiscalinet.it> At 07.18 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >Ciao Gianmaria >A pleasure to have another Italian listee on board. Greetinngs from >Argentina! I'm Martín Afflito's wingman. If I'm not mistaken, you live not >far from Alberto. He's in charge of the Balilla restoration from the Bergamo >Museum. Exactly Diego, you're right. Milano is very close to Bergamo (40 Km of Highway maximum). Nevertheless I haven't the pleasure ti know Alberto. But I saw on the web page of the museum his work on that plane. Really nice! Ciao Gianmaria Corona Milan-IT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:44:05 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: OFFLIST Message-ID: <01df01c27a89$7dfdf9e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ciao Gianmaria I'm writing this off list. Alberto lives in Azzano St. Paolo, wich on my knowledge must be on the outskirts of Milano as well. He was writing a piece on Hanriots for this issue of Windsock and I already sent him a direct Email to take care of your request (he sometimes misses some mail posts as he receives the list messages in digest mode) I bet he will write an answer to you on the list very soon. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gianmaria Corona" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:34 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: New member > At 07.18 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote: > >Ciao Gianmaria > >A pleasure to have another Italian listee on board. Greetinngs from > >Argentina! I'm Martín Afflito's wingman. If I'm not mistaken, you live not > >far from Alberto. He's in charge of the Balilla restoration from the Bergamo > >Museum. > Exactly Diego, you're right. Milano is very close to Bergamo (40 Km of > Highway maximum). > Nevertheless I haven't the pleasure ti know Alberto. > But I saw on the web page of the museum his work on that plane. Really nice! > Ciao > Gianmaria Corona > Milan-IT > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:45:02 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: ooops! Message-ID: <01e501c27a89$9f944dc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sorry list disregard the last message. My stupidly fast fingers sent the message to the wrong address again. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:53:23 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <3DB68DB3.9070900@bg.am.lodz.pl> U¿ytkownik Morg17ms@aol.com napisa³: > The SPAD looks good too, but I haven't checked it with GA's yet. > Good Day WWI :o) About Spad. I bought it some time ago and first what I did was to compare it with BM old kit. SH is based on BM kit. Fuselage halves fits perfect each other, the fuselage arts are divided in the same way. And parts from BM fits to SH. Smaller parts like wheel struts, are identical. But kit is not a copy of BM. Wings and control surfaces are competely new. Very fine thin trailing edges, nice rib effect. But there are some serious differences in this kits. SH has on left side of fuselage just below cockpit big access panel. It was only on some SPADs, I think late series but I'm not sure about it. This panel is on Caruana's drawings in SAMI, but if you check some pictures this one was not on all SPADs The part which goes over cockpit with the hole for the pilot :-) are completely different. BM cutout is almost ideal circle. This fits to WS DF plans and drawings in Osprey Aces. SH made the cutout more oval. It is narrower which is better than BM but little too narrow, and little too long. It goes too much to front of the plane, it should finish before the rear cabbane struts. IMO it does not look like Spad VII cockpit. BM neither. Compare this pictures with SH part. http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD7/mb_s7_02.jpg http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD7/mb_s7_08.jpg http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD7/les7_02.jpg The truth lies somewhere between, but SH is closer. ;-). SAMI plans looks quite good. Also drawing Czech Aero PKR magazine. It looks that SH based on Spad from Praga museum - the plane which is on wwi-models pictures page. But this is plane used in Czech AF after WWI and it could have been modified several times. I do not know it for sure Overall the kit is very good. But I know that I will use BM fuselage with no panel on port side, wings and details from SH. And some other parts from scrapbox for Luftberry's S.1777 I want to build. That's what I found looking on pictures in WS DF, Osprey, SAMI, Goworek book, Aero PKR, Letectvi+Kosmonautika and of course wwi-models http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD7/index.html :-) But I'm still not sure. There are major diferences between this sources. As allways find teh picture of THE plane you want to built. UUAAAA, finally. It is a grat pleasure to be here again. I hope I'm back for little longer. And WELCOME for all new members who joined this madhouse last few months. It is hard to live without it. -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:06:34 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <027201c27a8c$a2447240$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Welcome back Witold! Excellent review. I look forward to see what you can do with this kit. Paint it French, please! ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:14:05 +0200 From: Gianmaria Corona To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Italian books Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023141224.00a0b2d0@pop.tiscalinet.it> >Maybe I'm worng, but I guess that these are the work of Roberto Gentilli. Oh yeah! Roberto Gentilli and Paolo Varriale are the author of both books. Ciao Gianmaria Corona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:46:08 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII Message-ID: <002101c27a92$292b1b60$843386cb@default> Hi All; Arthur Gould Lee mentions whacking his Vickers on his Pup with a hammer to clear jams a number of times. As usual jams seemed to occur for him at inopportune or uncomfortable moments and usually led to him heading for home ASAP. However, he does mention jams spontaneously clearing themselves somehow also. I am not sure how this could happen though. >From how he writes about it, the hammer doesn't seem to be attached to anything in the Pup but it may have just been an unimportant detail for him. I can just imagine the language used when trying to clear such a jam too... :-) All the Best Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:50:34 +0200 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <3DB69B1A.6070903@bg.am.lodz.pl> U¿ytkownik Diego Fernetti napisa³: > Welcome back Witold! > Excellent review. I look forward to see what you can do with this kit. > Paint it French, please! ;-) I allways wanted to build SPA.124 Raul Luftberry's plane. my inspiration was Bob's profile - what else could be. Much before Osprey Aces publications and Aeromaster decals. So it's almost French. :o) -- Witold Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:51:03 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <200210231251.g9NCp3r22040@king1.kingsnake.com> On 10-23-2002 07:07 am, D wrote: > Paint it French, please! ;-) There are only three "valid" options. French, IRAS or Italian. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:09:24 +1000 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII Message-ID: <00eb01c27a95$68797020$1b4e2dcb@future> Neil, you are far to young to know what swear words would of been used as he hammered on the gun. But I wonder what the enemy pilot must of thought if he saw the other pounding away with a hammer on his plane .. ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "NEIL EDDY" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:48 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII > Hi All; > > Arthur Gould Lee mentions whacking his Vickers on his Pup with a hammer to > clear jams a number of times. As usual jams seemed to occur for him at > inopportune or uncomfortable moments and usually led to him heading for home > ASAP. However, he does mention jams spontaneously clearing themselves > somehow also. I am not sure how this could happen though. > > >From how he writes about it, the hammer doesn't seem to be attached to > anything in the Pup but it may have just been an unimportant detail for him. > > I can just imagine the language used when trying to clear such a jam too... > :-) > > All the Best > > Neil E > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:12:19 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII Message-ID: <032801c27a95$d1c8aaa0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil from the seas of Big Whites wrote: > I can just imagine the language used when trying to clear such a jam too... "O Jam, my Pearl Jam Please clear the dud ammo or do whatever you can" Albert Ball 1917 "Klear sich sofort! Ich befehle Sie, funktionell zu sein!" Manfred Von Richthofen 1918 "Parbleu! Je devrais mieux porter une bouteille de parfum que ces mauvais pistolets, mordious!" Georges Guynemer 1918 "Dio mio, ho detto a mamma a che questo aeroplano non fosse preparato come quando lo ha fatto lei" Francesco Baracca 1917 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:14:15 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <033001c27a96$16775e80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Witold plans: > I allways wanted to build SPA.124 Raul Luftberry's plane. > my inspiration was Bob's profile - what else could be. Much before > Osprey Aces publications and Aeromaster decals. > So it's almost French. :o) Raoul Lufbery, OK, that's French enough for me!!!! It was a 5 colour crate or a two-tone yellow? The five colour paint job seemed ethernal to me! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:14:55 +0200 From: Gianmaria Corona To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023151350.00a0bb40@pop.tiscalinet.it> At 09.04 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >On 10-23-2002 07:07 am, D wrote: > > > Paint it French, please! ;-) > >There are only three "valid" options. French, IRAS or Italian. ;-) > > >Matt I absolutely agree, espetially for the last one ;-) May I propose the Prince Fulco Ruffo di Calabria'plane? Bye Gianmaria Corona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:27:14 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <034b01c27a97$e687b920$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > I absolutely agree, espetially for the last one ;-) > May I propose the Prince Fulco Ruffo di Calabria'plane? Was this one the black skull one? Cool! Trick or treat decor! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:33:30 +0200 From: Gianmaria Corona To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023152809.00a0a8c0@pop.tiscalinet.it> Yes that one. It seem to me that the MPM/Special Hobby provide the decal for Fulco's plane. ASAP I'll send to Allan some pics of my Roland and Spad 13 (french obviously) SPA 48. Those of the "Chant et Combat" esquadrille. Ciao Gianmaria Corona At 09.27 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote: > > I absolutely agree, espetially for the last one ;-) > > May I propose the Prince Fulco Ruffo di Calabria'plane? > >Was this one the black skull one? >Cool! Trick or treat decor! >D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:06:51 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <01b801c27a9d$6fa602c0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > There are only three "valid" options. French, IRAS or Italian. ;-) And here are three options too: Matt is an ugly toad, vicious snake or malicious monkey. The only Polish Fokker ace Sylwester Garsztka, died flying Polish SPAD 7. BTW, it was plane captured earlier by Austrians (I don't remember from Russians or Italians), and then by Poles from Austrians. But we had whole SPAD 7 unit, SPA 162 which came to Poland with Polish Army in France. (later it became 9. Eskadra Mysliwska - 9th Fighter Sq). Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:09:13 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenburg D.1 Strut colors Message-ID: Okay, Harleyford says that the struts are "steel tubing with laminated wood fairings" (and so are the undercarriage struts). Marty O'Connor (CCI 18/4, page 169) says the struts are "wood". However, Dr. O'Connor went on to state in other captions in that article that the wood struts were fabric wrapped to prevent shattering is struck by a bullet, and includes a picture of Godwin Brumoski and his wing; complete with bullet hole through the fabric-wrapped strut. This picture is reproduced in other spots, including FMP Vol 2 as well as page 15 of the "Air Aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire" book, though generally it is pretty fuzzy. To me, the pictures all look like wood; check out the struts on page 37 as well as 41 of the FMP book, or 443 of the "Army Aircraft of the A/H Empire" book. And I can't see any dent in that picture on page 12, myself... There is no Datafile, to my amazement; I guess with the FMP Vol. 2, there is no need for one. I'd either paint them wood, or wrap them in CDL. Nothing is ever as easy as it should be... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:01:22 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: <200210231401.g9NE1Mr26711@king1.kingsnake.com> On 10-23-2002 09:08 am, G wrote: > And here are three options too: Matt is an ugly toad, vicious snake or > malicious monkey. :-P``` Hey, I resemble those remarks. Now you know why you'll never see my mug on the site. ;-) > The only Polish Fokker ace Sylwester Garsztka, died flying Polish SPAD 7. > BTW, it was plane captured earlier by Austrians (I don't remember from > Russians or Italians), and then by Poles from Austrians. > But we had whole SPAD 7 unit, SPA 162 which came to Poland with Polish Army > in France. (later it became 9. Eskadra Mysliwska - 9th Fighter Sq). Ah, but you're talking post-war. Post war there are only two valid schemes - Polish and RCW. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:03 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Request info Message-ID: Gianmaria wonders if: "...[F]lashback would have soon issued a new Macchi M5 in 48th scale." First off, welcome aboard! I hope Alberto can answer your Hanriot questions. Flashback has the old Hippo molds, from whence sprang the Aviatik Berg of several years ago; it makes sense therefore that they will someday spruce them up for the Macchi, but they have been awfully slow. Lone Star makes a 1/48 Macchi M.5 if you are in a hurry, and it is a pretty nice kit, too. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:16:20 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits Message-ID: > Ah, but you're talking post-war. Post war there are only two valid > schemes - Polish and RCW. ;-) > > > Matt > Or Brazilian! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:28:07 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: seeking advice on Proctor Enterprises Message-ID: <158.16518c69.2ae80bf7@aol.com> --part1_158.16518c69.2ae80bf7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jeff, I have the VK Sopwith Camel kit and it's a very well made kit, I have seen it finished and it's looks fantastic, very close to scale but I'm not to sure what's been changed. All in all it's a great kit for the money. Proctor kits are much closer in scale than the VK kits I believe, also more complex. Best Regards, Jon --part1_158.16518c69.2ae80bf7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jeff, I have the VK Sopwith Camel kit and it's a very well made kit, I have seen it finished and it's looks fantastic, very close to scale but I'm not to sure what's been changed. All in all it's a great kit for the money. Proctor kits are much closer in scale than the VK kits I believe, also more complex.

Best Regards,
Jon 


             

--part1_158.16518c69.2ae80bf7_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:27:42 +0200 From: Gianmaria Corona To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Request info Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023161717.00a0a080@pop.tiscalinet.it> At 10.16 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >Gianmaria wonders if: > >"...[F]lashback would have soon issued a new Macchi M5 in 48th scale." > > >First off, welcome aboard! Ohhh so I'm only the last of the wonders!! ;-) >Lone Star makes a 1/48 Macchi M.5 if you are in a hurry, and it is a >pretty nice kit, too. Yes, I know it and probably I even saw it at my local hobby shop but.....I've not a good relationship with resin kit! I think I'll continue to lights candles to my favourite Saint hoping that some day he'll do the miracle ;-) Gianmaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:20:57 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Memorial Flight Message-ID: <200210231420.g9NEKvv27908@king1.kingsnake.com> Looks like the Memorial Flight site was updated. Awesome stuff!! New images of the SPAD XIII, the 1.B2 Strutter, the Voisin 10, and other "stuff". Cool! If I built in that huge scale, I would hold off building the Roden Strutter until they're farther along with their restoration. I'm seriously contemplating my first scratchbuilt project being the Voisin 10. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of information out there on it. Funny, last year I was contemplating scratching the Nieuport IV - until Alberto did his, which I'm hoping results in Amodel getting their kit out soon. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:49:20 +0200 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros wing-camouflage help! Message-ID: <184Moy-1nDjRxC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> Thanks for your "Albatros wing-camo help"! Now I can start the work. Greetings Andreas > > Hi Andreas, > > I was confused by this as well - the history seems to be that Dan-san Abbot > (re) > discovered the fact that there was a three colour camouflage scheme applied > to > the Albatros family - at least one RFC capture reports mentions this. > > The Datafiles were of course published before this information became widely > known, hence it's only mention of '2-colour' schemes. Later Windsock > publications (e'g' The Flying Circus book) mentions the three colour scheme. > > What no-one has answered (to me!) yet is when violet replaced brown, did it > do > so in a wo or three colour scheme !! > > Sorry if this isn't too expansive - I'm at work. > > Dave Fleming > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:49:21 +0200 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons Message-ID: <184Moz-1nDjRzC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> An interesting question! As far as I know there where some car-engines used in aircrafts. If I'm not wrong the Vickers Vimy who made a flight in Australia some years ago was powerd by 2 BMW car-engines. And some of the lighter planes (something like Piper or Cessna) in the 60's and 70's years had an VW-Beetle engine installed. Greetings Andreas Tom Gourdie schrieb: > Not being too expert on mechanical things (OK I know how internal combustion > works and I can do basic engine maintenance etc) I have often wondered if > any realistic comparison can be made between modern car power plants and the > sort of stuff that was used in aircraft 1914-18. I am thinking in terms of > HP/Kw output and torque. For instance if we have a rotary engine providing > a maximum output of 110 HP can that be directly compared with a modern car > engine with a similar rating? Also, I should imagine that the swept volume > of these early aircraft engines must have delivered a hefty torque - much > more than we can expect from a modern car engine - or am I wrong here? > > The reason I am idly curious about this is that it is hard to imagine the > 140 HP/2000cc of my own car being able to power an aircraft and I simply > wonder if any comparison is realistic or purely academic particularly when > one sees many WWI engines rated at levels as low as 80HP > > > Tom > > Tom Gourdie > Regional Group Coordinator > Outreach Department > The Universities and Colleges Admissions Service > (UCAS) > > Tel: 01242 544878 > Fax: 01242 544954 > E-mail: t.gourdie@ucas.ac.uk > Website: http://www.ucas.com > > Registered Office: Rosehill, New Barn Lane, Cheltenham, Glos GL52 3LZ > Registered Company Number: 2839815 > Registered Charity Number: 1024741 > > > > > This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify us immediately. 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