WWI Digest 4725
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Italian Hanriot
by "Grzegorz Mazurowski"
2) Special Hobby Lloyd
by "Robert Baumgartner"
3) New Italian books
by Gianmaria Corona
4) Re: Armament of USA aquired Fokker D.V/D.VIII
by "Diego Fernetti"
5) Re: New member
by "Diego Fernetti"
6) Re: Did my bit today
by "Diego Fernetti"
7) Re: New Italian books
by "Diego Fernetti"
8) Re: New member
by Gianmaria Corona
9) OFFLIST
by "Diego Fernetti"
10) ooops!
by "Diego Fernetti"
11) Re: Special Hobby kits
by Witold Kozakiewicz
12) Re: Special Hobby kits
by "Diego Fernetti"
13) Re: New Italian books
by Gianmaria Corona
14) Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII
by "NEIL EDDY"
15) Re: Special Hobby kits
by Witold Kozakiewicz
16) Re: Special Hobby kits
by tbittners@sprintmail.com
17) Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII
by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse"
18) Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII
by "Diego Fernetti"
19) Re: Special Hobby kits
by "Diego Fernetti"
20) Re: Special Hobby kits
by Gianmaria Corona
21) Re: Special Hobby kits
by "Diego Fernetti"
22) Re: Special Hobby kits
by Gianmaria Corona
23) Re: Special Hobby kits
by "Grzegorz Mazurowski"
24) Re: Hansa Brandenburg D.1 Strut colors
by "Lance Krieg"
25) Re: Special Hobby kits
by tbittners@sprintmail.com
26) Re: Request info
by "Lance Krieg"
27) Re: Special Hobby kits
by Crawford Neil
28) Re: seeking advice on Proctor Enterprises
by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com
29) Re: Request info
by Gianmaria Corona
30) Memorial Flight
by tbittners@sprintmail.com
31) Re: Albatros wing-camouflage help!
by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita)
32) Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons
by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita)
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:34:05 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski"
To:
Subject: Re: Italian Hanriot
Message-ID: <011901c27a77$5e9c6580$0200a8c0@grzesiek>
> It's a pity that I usually don't buy windsock magazine.
Me too, for the same reason... too expensive...
It's better for me to buy the books I need, as I'm intrested almost only in
Austrians and Italians.
G.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:01:35 +1000
From: "Robert Baumgartner"
To:
Subject: Special Hobby Lloyd
Message-ID: <006701c27a6a$957d3cd0$7300080a@rbaum>
Tom mentions:
> The Lloyd is GREAT. It matches the GA's in Windsock Vol 6, No 1 - in fact
it
> may be more accurate, as those GA's appear to have an erroneously shaped
> joint to the upper wing & ailerons. Photos and the drawing in Austro
> Hungarian Army Aircraft of WW I (p 498) better match the kit - or visa
versa.
I agree, and the photos in that same Windsock article bare this out. In fact
some of the kits that followed were criticised in this area when they were
reviewed by RLR, as they had obviously followed Colin's mistake in his
plans. Luckily Special Hoppy didn't fall into this as some other
manufacturers did.
The above article also has profiles that show painted metal panels all the
way up to and including the pilot's surround. The metal panels around the
engine I can agree with but I would have thought that the area around the
cockpit would have been ply. Photos in the article don't help too much here
due to the light reflection. In the kit, it is suggested that all these
panels, including the engine ones, are wood! Surely not.
Any thoughts?
Rob B
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:06:47 +0200
From: Gianmaria Corona
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: New Italian books
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023115716.00a0cc80@pop.tiscalinet.it>
At 05.51 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
> > It's a pity that I usually don't buy windsock magazine.
>Me too, for the same reason... too expensive...
>It's better for me to buy the books I need, as I'm intrested almost only in
>Austrians and Italians.
>G.
If you are so interested in Italians WW 1 planes, I want to inform you, and
other people who have the same interests, that the Stato Maggiore
Aeronautica (it would sounds more or less as Military Aviation Headquarter)
has published two really good books; the first one is on the italian
aviation group douring the ww 1 and the second one on all the italian aces
douring the same period.
The latter is even rich of color profiles.
They are only written in italian, but they are really cheap (in Italy they
cost about 25 euros and is a really good price for the amount of pages and
pics they have).
The book on italian aces will be soon published by shiffer in english, but
with a very expensive price.
If you are interested in some specific infos I'll be happy to fotocopy
some pics.
Ciao
Gianmaria Corona
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:00:32 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: Re: Armament of USA aquired Fokker D.V/D.VIII
Message-ID: <010a01c27a83$685fabc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Steve!
> There is a photo of MvR in the cockpit of what appears to be his red
> Albatros. There is a jam clearing tool hanging by it's chain over the
> side of the cockpit.
On the cover of the Richthofen book by Albatros Ltd. But it's the key of the
magneto switch. The Smithsonian book shows this same chain hanging inside
the cockpit. Looks like the chain of the kitchen sink cork
> The Spad XIII had a hammer mounted on the bearers that ran through the
> cockpit.
Visible on several Memorial Flight restoration pictures. However Dave W.
asked for german planes... I really doesn't know if the hammer or mallet was
a standard equipment of the aircraft, but sure it may prove handy. If your
guns jammed, you can always throw a hammer to the obnoxious
Frenchman/Briton/Amerikaner/Italian behind the tail!
D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:18:35 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <016101c27a85$ed7b1220$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Ciao Gianmaria
A pleasure to have another Italian listee on board. Greetinngs from
Argentina! I'm Martín Afflito's wingman. If I'm not mistaken, you live not
far from Alberto. He's in charge of the Balilla restoration from the Bergamo
Museum.
> I'm 35 years old and I'm an aeronautics engineer.
Excellent! You may be able to answer many or our very silly questions. Hope
you can understand us...
> I'll be happy to post and show you some pics of it, but I don't know how
to
> do it.
Check the web gallery on the WW1 modelling page. There is some addresses
where to send your jpgs.
> you.....But, please be patient and understanding, my English is really
poor!
Not at all, at least I understood everything!
A presto!
D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:22:50 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: Re: Did my bit today
Message-ID: <01c401c27a86$85c6cd80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Well done Steve!
I'm sure he was delighted and amazed to see this strange aircraft with a
stick that rotates on the radome. Sure He thinks that the engine intakes at
the sides of the fuselage are amazingly short! ;-)
D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Perry"
To: "Multiple recipients of list"
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: [WWI] Did my bit today
> Just put a Heller Roland CL.II, a profile Pub, a 1/72 drawing and the
> book Fighter Pilots of WWI in the hands of an 11 year old kid. :-) If
> that don't lite a fire, there ain't one there to be lit.
>
> His mother works with my wife. You takes converts where you can find 'em.
> sp
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:34:23 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: Re: New Italian books
Message-ID: <01d701c27a88$22c56d20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Ciao Gianmaria
Yes it's me again.
> If you are so interested in Italians WW 1 planes, I want to inform you,
and
> other people who have the same interests, that the Stato Maggiore
> Aeronautica (it would sounds more or less as Military Aviation
Headquarter)
> has published two really good books; the first one is on the italian
> aviation group douring the ww 1 and the second one on all the italian aces
> douring the same period.
Maybe I'm worng, but I guess that these are the work of Roberto Gentilli.
He's a fine gentleman who we meet some two years ago in Pensacola. I kept
some snail mail correspondence with him since then and he told me that new
volumes on WW1 aviation are on preparation, some of them with completely new
material and as he told me "controversial". I'm looking forward to read that
book.
> The book on italian aces will be soon published by shiffer in english, but
> with a very expensive price.
IIRC about 40 USD
D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:31:11 +0200
From: Gianmaria Corona
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023132717.00a002d0@pop.tiscalinet.it>
At 07.18 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Ciao Gianmaria
>A pleasure to have another Italian listee on board. Greetinngs from
>Argentina! I'm Martín Afflito's wingman. If I'm not mistaken, you live not
>far from Alberto. He's in charge of the Balilla restoration from the Bergamo
>Museum.
Exactly Diego, you're right. Milano is very close to Bergamo (40 Km of
Highway maximum).
Nevertheless I haven't the pleasure ti know Alberto.
But I saw on the web page of the museum his work on that plane. Really nice!
Ciao
Gianmaria Corona
Milan-IT
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:44:05 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: OFFLIST
Message-ID: <01df01c27a89$7dfdf9e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Ciao Gianmaria
I'm writing this off list.
Alberto lives in Azzano St. Paolo, wich on my knowledge must be on the
outskirts of Milano as well. He was writing a piece on Hanriots for this
issue of Windsock and I already sent him a direct Email to take care of your
request (he sometimes misses some mail posts as he receives the list
messages in digest mode)
I bet he will write an answer to you on the list very soon.
D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gianmaria Corona"
To: "Multiple recipients of list"
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:34 AM
Subject: [WWI] Re: New member
> At 07.18 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >Ciao Gianmaria
> >A pleasure to have another Italian listee on board. Greetinngs from
> >Argentina! I'm Martín Afflito's wingman. If I'm not mistaken, you live
not
> >far from Alberto. He's in charge of the Balilla restoration from the
Bergamo
> >Museum.
> Exactly Diego, you're right. Milano is very close to Bergamo (40 Km of
> Highway maximum).
> Nevertheless I haven't the pleasure ti know Alberto.
> But I saw on the web page of the museum his work on that plane. Really
nice!
> Ciao
> Gianmaria Corona
> Milan-IT
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:45:02 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To: "ww1 list"
Subject: ooops!
Message-ID: <01e501c27a89$9f944dc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Sorry list
disregard the last message. My stupidly fast fingers sent the message to the
wrong address again.
D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:53:23 +0200
From: Witold Kozakiewicz
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <3DB68DB3.9070900@bg.am.lodz.pl>
U¿ytkownik Morg17ms@aol.com napisa³:
> The SPAD looks good too, but I haven't checked it with GA's yet.
>
Good Day WWI :o)
About Spad.
I bought it some time ago and first what I did was to compare it with BM
old kit.
SH is based on BM kit. Fuselage halves fits perfect each other, the
fuselage arts are divided in the same way. And parts from BM fits to SH.
Smaller parts like wheel struts, are identical. But kit is not a copy of
BM. Wings and control surfaces are competely new. Very fine thin
trailing edges, nice rib effect.
But there are some serious differences in this kits.
SH has on left side of fuselage just below cockpit big access panel. It
was only on some SPADs, I think late series but I'm not sure about it.
This panel is on Caruana's drawings in SAMI, but if you check some
pictures this one was not on all SPADs
The part which goes over cockpit with the hole for the pilot :-) are
completely different.
BM cutout is almost ideal circle. This fits to WS DF plans and drawings
in Osprey Aces. SH made the cutout more oval. It is narrower which is
better than BM but little too narrow, and little too long. It goes too
much to front of the plane, it should finish before the rear cabbane
struts. IMO it does not look like Spad VII cockpit. BM neither.
Compare this pictures with SH part.
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD7/mb_s7_02.jpg
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD7/mb_s7_08.jpg
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD7/les7_02.jpg
The truth lies somewhere between, but SH is closer. ;-). SAMI plans
looks quite good. Also drawing Czech Aero PKR magazine.
It looks that SH based on Spad from Praga museum - the plane which is on
wwi-models pictures page. But this is plane used in Czech AF after WWI
and it could have been modified several times. I do not know it for sure
Overall the kit is very good.
But I know that I will use BM fuselage with no panel on port side, wings
and details from SH. And some other parts from scrapbox for Luftberry's
S.1777 I want to build.
That's what I found looking on pictures in WS DF, Osprey, SAMI, Goworek
book, Aero PKR, Letectvi+Kosmonautika and of course wwi-models
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD7/index.html :-) But I'm still
not sure.
There are major diferences between this sources. As allways find teh
picture of THE plane you want to built.
UUAAAA, finally. It is a grat pleasure to be here again.
I hope I'm back for little longer.
And WELCOME for all new members who joined this madhouse last few
months. It is hard to live without it.
--
Witold Kozakiewicz
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:06:34 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <027201c27a8c$a2447240$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Welcome back Witold!
Excellent review. I look forward to see what you can do with this kit.
Paint it French, please! ;-)
D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:14:05 +0200
From: Gianmaria Corona
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: New Italian books
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023141224.00a0b2d0@pop.tiscalinet.it>
>Maybe I'm worng, but I guess that these are the work of Roberto Gentilli.
Oh yeah! Roberto Gentilli and Paolo Varriale are the author of both books.
Ciao
Gianmaria Corona
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:46:08 +1000
From: "NEIL EDDY"
To:
Subject: Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII
Message-ID: <002101c27a92$292b1b60$843386cb@default>
Hi All;
Arthur Gould Lee mentions whacking his Vickers on his Pup with a hammer to
clear jams a number of times. As usual jams seemed to occur for him at
inopportune or uncomfortable moments and usually led to him heading for home
ASAP. However, he does mention jams spontaneously clearing themselves
somehow also. I am not sure how this could happen though.
>From how he writes about it, the hammer doesn't seem to be attached to
anything in the Pup but it may have just been an unimportant detail for him.
I can just imagine the language used when trying to clear such a jam too...
:-)
All the Best
Neil E
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:50:34 +0200
From: Witold Kozakiewicz
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <3DB69B1A.6070903@bg.am.lodz.pl>
U¿ytkownik Diego Fernetti napisa³:
> Welcome back Witold!
> Excellent review. I look forward to see what you can do with this kit.
> Paint it French, please! ;-)
I allways wanted to build SPA.124 Raul Luftberry's plane.
my inspiration was Bob's profile - what else could be. Much before
Osprey Aces publications and Aeromaster decals.
So it's almost French. :o)
--
Witold Kozakiewicz
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:51:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: tbittners@sprintmail.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <200210231251.g9NCp3r22040@king1.kingsnake.com>
On 10-23-2002 07:07 am, D wrote:
> Paint it French, please! ;-)
There are only three "valid" options. French, IRAS or Italian. ;-)
Matt
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:09:24 +1000
From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse"
To:
Subject: Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII
Message-ID: <00eb01c27a95$68797020$1b4e2dcb@future>
Neil, you are far to young to know what swear words would of been used as he
hammered on the gun. But I wonder what the enemy pilot must of thought if he
saw the other pounding away with a hammer on his plane .. ;-)
Cheers
Ross
----- Original Message -----
From: "NEIL EDDY"
To: "Multiple recipients of list"
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:48 PM
Subject: [WWI] Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII
> Hi All;
>
> Arthur Gould Lee mentions whacking his Vickers on his Pup with a hammer to
> clear jams a number of times. As usual jams seemed to occur for him at
> inopportune or uncomfortable moments and usually led to him heading for
home
> ASAP. However, he does mention jams spontaneously clearing themselves
> somehow also. I am not sure how this could happen though.
>
> >From how he writes about it, the hammer doesn't seem to be attached to
> anything in the Pup but it may have just been an unimportant detail for
him.
>
> I can just imagine the language used when trying to clear such a jam
too...
> :-)
>
> All the Best
>
> Neil E
>
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:12:19 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: Re: Armament on US Acquired Fokker DV/DVIII
Message-ID: <032801c27a95$d1c8aaa0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Neil from the seas of Big Whites wrote:
> I can just imagine the language used when trying to clear such a jam
too...
"O Jam, my Pearl Jam
Please clear the dud ammo
or do whatever you can"
Albert Ball 1917
"Klear sich sofort! Ich befehle Sie, funktionell zu sein!"
Manfred Von Richthofen 1918
"Parbleu! Je devrais mieux porter une bouteille de parfum que ces mauvais
pistolets, mordious!"
Georges Guynemer 1918
"Dio mio, ho detto a mamma a che questo aeroplano non fosse preparato come
quando lo ha fatto lei"
Francesco Baracca 1917
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:14:15 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <033001c27a96$16775e80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Witold plans:
> I allways wanted to build SPA.124 Raul Luftberry's plane.
> my inspiration was Bob's profile - what else could be. Much before
> Osprey Aces publications and Aeromaster decals.
> So it's almost French. :o)
Raoul Lufbery, OK, that's French enough for me!!!! It was a 5 colour crate
or a two-tone yellow? The five colour paint job seemed ethernal to me!
D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:14:55 +0200
From: Gianmaria Corona
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023151350.00a0bb40@pop.tiscalinet.it>
At 09.04 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
>On 10-23-2002 07:07 am, D wrote:
>
> > Paint it French, please! ;-)
>
>There are only three "valid" options. French, IRAS or Italian. ;-)
>
>
>Matt
I absolutely agree, espetially for the last one ;-)
May I propose the Prince Fulco Ruffo di Calabria'plane?
Bye
Gianmaria Corona
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:27:14 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti"
To:
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <034b01c27a97$e687b920$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
> I absolutely agree, espetially for the last one ;-)
> May I propose the Prince Fulco Ruffo di Calabria'plane?
Was this one the black skull one?
Cool! Trick or treat decor!
D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:33:30 +0200
From: Gianmaria Corona
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023152809.00a0a8c0@pop.tiscalinet.it>
Yes that one.
It seem to me that the MPM/Special Hobby provide the decal for Fulco's plane.
ASAP I'll send to Allan some pics of my Roland and Spad 13 (french
obviously) SPA 48. Those of the "Chant et Combat" esquadrille.
Ciao
Gianmaria Corona
At 09.27 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
> > I absolutely agree, espetially for the last one ;-)
> > May I propose the Prince Fulco Ruffo di Calabria'plane?
>
>Was this one the black skull one?
>Cool! Trick or treat decor!
>D.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:06:51 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski"
To:
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <01b801c27a9d$6fa602c0$0200a8c0@grzesiek>
> There are only three "valid" options. French, IRAS or Italian. ;-)
And here are three options too: Matt is an ugly toad, vicious snake or
malicious monkey.
The only Polish Fokker ace Sylwester Garsztka, died flying Polish SPAD 7.
BTW, it was plane captured earlier by Austrians (I don't remember from
Russians or Italians), and then by Poles from Austrians.
But we had whole SPAD 7 unit, SPA 162 which came to Poland with Polish Army
in France. (later it became 9. Eskadra Mysliwska - 9th Fighter Sq).
Cheers!
G.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:09:13 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg"
To:
Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenburg D.1 Strut colors
Message-ID:
Okay, Harleyford says that the struts are "steel tubing with laminated
wood fairings" (and so are the undercarriage struts). Marty O'Connor
(CCI 18/4, page 169) says the struts are "wood".
However, Dr. O'Connor went on to state in other captions in that
article that the wood struts were fabric wrapped to prevent shattering
is struck by a bullet, and includes a picture of Godwin Brumoski and his
wing; complete with bullet hole through the fabric-wrapped strut. This
picture is reproduced in other spots, including FMP Vol 2 as well as
page 15 of the "Air Aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire" book, though
generally it is pretty fuzzy.
To me, the pictures all look like wood; check out the struts on page 37
as well as 41 of the FMP book, or 443 of the "Army Aircraft of the A/H
Empire" book. And I can't see any dent in that picture on page 12,
myself...
There is no Datafile, to my amazement; I guess with the FMP Vol. 2,
there is no need for one.
I'd either paint them wood, or wrap them in CDL.
Nothing is ever as easy as it should be...
Lance
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:01:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: tbittners@sprintmail.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID: <200210231401.g9NE1Mr26711@king1.kingsnake.com>
On 10-23-2002 09:08 am, G wrote:
> And here are three options too: Matt is an ugly toad, vicious snake
or
> malicious monkey.
:-P``` Hey, I resemble those remarks. Now you know why you'll never
see my mug on the site. ;-)
> The only Polish Fokker ace Sylwester Garsztka, died flying Polish
SPAD 7.
> BTW, it was plane captured earlier by Austrians (I don't remember
from
> Russians or Italians), and then by Poles from Austrians.
> But we had whole SPAD 7 unit, SPA 162 which came to Poland with
Polish Army
> in France. (later it became 9. Eskadra Mysliwska - 9th Fighter Sq).
Ah, but you're talking post-war. Post war there are only two valid
schemes - Polish and RCW. ;-)
Matt
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:03 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg"
To:
Subject: Re: Request info
Message-ID:
Gianmaria wonders if:
"...[F]lashback would have soon issued a new Macchi M5 in 48th scale."
First off, welcome aboard! I hope Alberto can answer your Hanriot
questions.
Flashback has the old Hippo molds, from whence sprang the Aviatik Berg
of several years ago; it makes sense therefore that they will someday
spruce them up for the Macchi, but they have been awfully slow.
Lone Star makes a 1/48 Macchi M.5 if you are in a hurry, and it is a
pretty nice kit, too.
Lance
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:16:20 +0200
From: Crawford Neil
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'"
Subject: Re: Special Hobby kits
Message-ID:
> Ah, but you're talking post-war. Post war there are only two valid
> schemes - Polish and RCW. ;-)
>
>
> Matt
>
Or Brazilian!
/Neil C.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:28:07 EDT
From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: seeking advice on Proctor Enterprises
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Hi Jeff, I have the VK Sopwith Camel kit and it's a very well made kit, I
have seen it finished and it's looks fantastic, very close to scale but I'm
not to sure what's been changed. All in all it's a great kit for the money.
Proctor kits are much closer in scale than the VK kits I believe, also more
complex.
Best Regards,
Jon
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Hi Jeff, I have the VK Sopwith Camel kit and it's a very well made kit, I have seen it finished and it's looks fantastic, very close to scale but I'm not to sure what's been changed. All in all it's a great kit for the money. Proctor kits are much closer in scale than the VK kits I believe, also more complex.
Best Regards,
Jon
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:27:42 +0200
From: Gianmaria Corona
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Request info
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023161717.00a0a080@pop.tiscalinet.it>
At 10.16 23/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Gianmaria wonders if:
>
>"...[F]lashback would have soon issued a new Macchi M5 in 48th scale."
>
>
>First off, welcome aboard!
Ohhh so I'm only the last of the wonders!! ;-)
>Lone Star makes a 1/48 Macchi M.5 if you are in a hurry, and it is a
>pretty nice kit, too.
Yes, I know it and probably I even saw it at my local hobby shop
but.....I've not a good relationship with resin kit!
I think I'll continue to lights candles to my favourite Saint hoping that
some day he'll do the miracle
;-)
Gianmaria
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:20:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: tbittners@sprintmail.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Memorial Flight
Message-ID: <200210231420.g9NEKvv27908@king1.kingsnake.com>
Looks like the Memorial Flight site was updated. Awesome stuff!! New
images of the SPAD XIII, the 1.B2 Strutter, the Voisin 10, and other
"stuff". Cool!
If I built in that huge scale, I would hold off building the Roden
Strutter until they're farther along with their restoration.
I'm seriously contemplating my first scratchbuilt project being the
Voisin 10. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of information out there
on it.
Funny, last year I was contemplating scratching the Nieuport IV - until
Alberto did his, which I'm hoping results in Amodel getting their kit
out soon. ;-)
Matt
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:49:20 +0200
From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita)
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Albatros wing-camouflage help!
Message-ID: <184Moy-1nDjRxC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com>
Thanks for your "Albatros wing-camo help"! Now I can start the work.
Greetings
Andreas
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> I was confused by this as well - the history seems to be that Dan-san Abbot
> (re)
> discovered the fact that there was a three colour camouflage scheme applied
> to
> the Albatros family - at least one RFC capture reports mentions this.
>
> The Datafiles were of course published before this information became widely
> known, hence it's only mention of '2-colour' schemes. Later Windsock
> publications (e'g' The Flying Circus book) mentions the three colour scheme.
>
> What no-one has answered (to me!) yet is when violet replaced brown, did it
> do
> so in a wo or three colour scheme !!
>
> Sorry if this isn't too expansive - I'm at work.
>
> Dave Fleming
>
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:49:21 +0200
From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita)
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: OT engine outputs and modern comparisons
Message-ID: <184Moz-1nDjRzC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com>
An interesting question!
As far as I know there where some car-engines used in aircrafts. If I'm not
wrong the Vickers Vimy who made a flight in Australia some years ago was
powerd by 2 BMW car-engines. And some of the lighter planes (something like
Piper or Cessna) in the 60's and 70's years had an VW-Beetle engine
installed.
Greetings
Andreas
Tom Gourdie schrieb:
> Not being too expert on mechanical things (OK I know how internal combustion
> works and I can do basic engine maintenance etc) I have often wondered if
> any realistic comparison can be made between modern car power plants and the
> sort of stuff that was used in aircraft 1914-18. I am thinking in terms of
> HP/Kw output and torque. For instance if we have a rotary engine providing
> a maximum output of 110 HP can that be directly compared with a modern car
> engine with a similar rating? Also, I should imagine that the swept volume
> of these early aircraft engines must have delivered a hefty torque - much
> more than we can expect from a modern car engine - or am I wrong here?
>
> The reason I am idly curious about this is that it is hard to imagine the
> 140 HP/2000cc of my own car being able to power an aircraft and I simply
> wonder if any comparison is realistic or purely academic particularly when
> one sees many WWI engines rated at levels as low as 80HP
>
>
> Tom
>
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