WWI Digest 4710 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Starstrutter struts by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 2) Re: Hiding your model stash by Paul Thompson 3) Re: Starstrutter struts by "Matt Bittner" 4) re: Starstrutter struts by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 5) Dorme & Guiguet Decals by "Matt Bittner" 6) FT 17 interior - drawing online by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 7) RE: Toko Aviatik, was web updates by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 8) Re: Pictures of Navarre's Nieuport by "Mike Muth" 9) Re: Starstrutter struts by Larry Marshall 10) Modeltroia 2003. The great Weier Travelling Circus. ATT. Brent and Shane by "Pedro Soares" 11) Re: WW1 Sub by "Shane Weier" 12) Re: Hiding your model stash by "Mike Muth" 13) re: Starstrutter struts by Larry Marshall 14) Re: Dorme & Guiguet Decals by Larry Marshall 15) Dayton Model Comp at Modeling madness OT pics.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 16) RE: Toko Aviatik, was web updates by Larry Marshall 17) re: Starstrutter struts by "Matt Bittner" 18) Re: Hiding your model stash by Larry Marshall 19) Re: Dorme & Guiguet Decals by "Matt Bittner" 20) Pegasus/BM Site by "Matt Bittner" 21) Re: Phonix D.II color by Larry Marshall 22) re: Starstrutter struts by Larry Marshall 23) Re: Dorme & Guiguet Decals by Larry Marshall 24) Re: Hiding your model stash by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 25) Re: Phonix D.II color by "Bob Pearson" 26) Re: Hiding your model stash by Steven Perry 27) Re: Pictures of Navarre's Nieuport by Ray 28) Re: Raised Paint Lines by Steven Perry 29) Re: Hiding your model stash by Larry Marshall 30) Re: Phonix D.II color by Larry Marshall 31) Re: Pegasus/BM Site by "ibs4421" 32) Re: Raised Paint Lines by "ibs4421" 33) Re: Phonix D.II color by "Bob Pearson" 34) Re: Pegasus/BM Site by "Brad Gossen" 35) Re: Phonix D.II color by Larry Marshall 36) Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 by Larry Marshall 37) Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 by "Michael Kendix" 38) Thinking of filing Bankruptcy (5GLn) by "Matier Urquiza" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:30:03 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Starstrutter struts Message-ID: <00ad01c2755b$30d47960$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Boys! Have you noticed that that d$%#ed lower-inner-back strut shouldn't be connected with the fuselage? Both photos and drawings in the FMP book shows clearly, that it is attached to the wing, some centimeters away from fuselage! Maybe it's the cause of your problems? Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:36:26 +0200 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hiding your model stash Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021016233404.00a48b60@pop.xs4all.nl> According to Shane: They all approve vis the possibility we'd take up loose women, loud music and cheap booze as an alternative. Whereas my wife fears I might take up cheap music and loud booze.................. Paul T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:47:51 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Starstrutter struts Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:32:45 -0400 (EDT), Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > Have you noticed that that d$%#ed lower-inner-back strut shouldn't be > connected with the fuselage? > Both photos and drawings in the FMP book shows clearly, that it is attached > to the wing, some centimeters away from fuselage! > Maybe it's the cause of your problems? I don't think so. If memory serves, the strut will only touch the wing if you bend it much more toward the center of the wing. Then again, my memory has failed me before... ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:46:14 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Starstrutter struts Message-ID: <00cb01c2755d$73698a20$0200a8c0@grzesiek> This one is correct: http://www.karaya.ceti.pl/srednie/hbd1back.jpg G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:53:05 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Dorme & Guiguet Decals Message-ID: My decals arrived today. As Pedro said, they're very nicely done. It appears they were made on an inkjet printer. I only say that because the back of the decal paper states "Micro Mark Inkjet Decal Paper" (or some-such). Which means - since they haven't been overcoated after printing - they're very fragile. Still, they're very well done. Now if only we could have decent 1/72nd kits to put these on!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:54:35 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: FT 17 interior - drawing online Message-ID: <00dc01c2755e$9e0ca680$0200a8c0@grzesiek> http://militaria.internet.cz/images/technika.gif G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:00:52 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Toko Aviatik, was web updates Message-ID: <71EA257E03C4D511B8ED00065B04BF940136D22B@ITCREX001> Larry says: "The Toko Aviatik? Horrible kit. Parts fit seems fine but I'm convinced that this is just a sinister plot to cause one to think they have things under control. This darn model won't stay together when you drop it to the floor either. I had problems with the stock decals and I'm not sure that's good or bad since they're the wrong color. Then, just to add salt to the wound, Toko provides a kit where the .paint comes off way too easy when you forget to de-tack your masking tape." I don't remember this kit being a big problem, but then, I didn't drop mine on the floor. As I recall, it's almost totally covered in decals, so I didn't do any masking, either. I did NOT use the kit decals, shelling out for the Americal/Gryphon sheet. The only problem I've had is photographing it. It's either been out of focus, badly lit or I had some kind of framing problem (cut the wheels off last time). Maybe I ought to see if it shows up in the mirror. Kit from Hell? Kit of the Undead? What do you think, Diego? Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:35:23 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Pictures of Navarre's Nieuport Message-ID: <000501c27564$5162bd00$e3d2bacc@ptdprolog.net> Ray I loved the jig! What color/paint did you use for the cdl? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:34:49 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Starstrutter struts Message-ID: <200210161834.49136.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Have you noticed that that d$%#ed lower-inner-back strut shouldn't be > connected with the fuselage? I've certainly noticed this. > Both photos and drawings in the FMP book shows clearly, that it is attached > to the wing, some centimeters away from fuselage! > Maybe it's the cause of your problems? But I never paid attention to where the struts were connected when people have complained about this. Marc's inward, rear strut does seem to go all the way to the fuselage and I can't find several of the complaints I've read but: Uggie says "Out of the box" with no reference to strut problems and the strut in question does hit the wing away from the fuselage: http://www.ronnieuggie.com/uggie/german/hansa/hansa.htm But, this review says the struts don't fit at all but the rear strut seems properly placed when he replaced them with Contrail: http://209.133.73.70/Gal/0001-1000/Gal_501-600/Gal521-530/gal529_D1_Bannister/gal529.htm Curiouser and curiouser :-) -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:42:43 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Modeltroia 2003. The great Weier Travelling Circus. ATT. Brent and Shane Message-ID: <001801c27565$57900c40$466e16d5@netcabo.pt> Ok. I got a confirmation today. Modeltroia 2003 will take place during the 8th and 9th March. Shane, can I enter your Halbie? Brent, it is feasible to send it over here? Let me know. Regards Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:42:02 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WW1 Sub Message-ID: Shane tY says: > Sorry, Earl also has the Mirage 1/400 subs ;-) You need to pay attention too. Matt mentioned the V.106 - a "torpedo boat" not a sub. AND - the Mirage subs are all WW *2* You will now be beaten with a limp lettuce leaf for mentioning ot subjects on list ;-) Shane tE _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.  Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:44:24 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Hiding your model stash Message-ID: <004401c27565$93f440c0$e3d2bacc@ptdprolog.net> Larry pondered > At the risk of turning this thread into something serious, does anyone > repackage their kits somehow so they can throw the boxes away After the fire, I ended up going through all of the waterlogged boxes with kits in them. (Very dirty and smelly exercise, by the way). I put them into plastic baggies and then put the baggies into plastic storage crates. In terms of space, very economical. In terms of aesthetics, I miss looking at the boxes when I'm trying the figure out what to build next. hth Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:43:41 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Starstrutter struts Message-ID: <200210161843.41905.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Wednesday 16 October 2002 05:49 pm, you wrote: > This one is correct: > http://www.karaya.ceti.pl/srednie/hbd1back.jpg Yes, and this could be another placement 'problem' in that the 'rear' inward strut is actually halfway between the two outer struts in terms of front to back placement on the wing. It's very counter-intuitive. This is another thing that Dennis has right so maybe that's why he didn't have trouble with these struts. I just pulled the kit and if you follow the isometrics carefully in their instructions, you would try to place that strut too far rearward but it would be away from the fuselage. Maybe this is the key. I'm now kind of anxious to give this beast a try. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:49:45 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dorme & Guiguet Decals Message-ID: <200210161849.45551.larrym@sympatico.ca> > My decals arrived today. As Pedro said, they're very nicely > done. It appears they were made on an inkjet printer. I only > say that because the back of the decal paper states "Micro Mark > Inkjet Decal Paper" (or some-such). Which means - since they > haven't been overcoated after printing - they're very fragile. Then rather than using Qtips and decal solution, it might be better to spray them with something like Testors Dull-cote, Krylon Krystal-Cote, or one of the pastel fixatives. I've used these things with success on ink-jet printed markings on flying models but ink-jet inks are very sensitive to many solvents so brushing isn't a great idea. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:49:59 +1000 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Dayton Model Comp at Modeling madness OT pics.. Message-ID: <003d01c27566$5b35c640$1b4e2dcb@future> http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/scotts/features/dayton02/dt068.jpg I love the scheme on the Spad 13, Occupation Duty colours. Which is the link above. http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/scotts/features/dayton02/dt067.jpg Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:55:28 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Toko Aviatik, was web updates Message-ID: <200210161855.28513.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I don't remember this kit being a big problem, but then, I didn't drop mine > on the floor. Well...if you're not going to test it :-) > As I recall, it's almost totally covered in decals, so I didn't do any masking, either. Ah...smart enough to avoid the paint-repelling plastic effects. I guess this comes from experience. > I did NOT use the kit decals, shelling out > for the Americal/Gryphon sheet. The only problem I've had is photographing Shamelessly relying upon upgrades rather than battling with the raw kit. > it. It's either been out of focus, badly lit or I had some kind of framing > problem (cut the wheels off last time). Maybe I ought to see if it shows > up in the mirror. You've discovered yet another problem with the kit it seems. This is the new Toko Perpetual-motion static model. :-) Marc, I'm excited to hear that Americal/Gryphon has lozenge for this model. I'm really curious to see your model as I'd really like to get some of this large lozenge for A-H aircraft and didn't know where I could get it. Which sheet # is this? > Kit from Hell? Kit of the Undead? What do you think, Diego? I'm getting my money's worth from it :-) All my gyrations, however, have caused me to move from OOB to shuffling around for paint schemes I could do and so now I need a couple more of the kits to do what I want to do :-) -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:02:13 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: re: Starstrutter struts Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:43:54 -0400 (EDT), Larry Marshall wrote: > Yes, and this could be another placement 'problem' in that the 'rear' inward > strut is actually halfway between the two outer struts in terms of front to > back placement on the wing. It's very counter-intuitive. This is another > thing that Dennis has right so maybe that's why he didn't have trouble with > these struts. > > I just pulled the kit and if you follow the isometrics carefully in their > instructions, you would try to place that strut too far rearward but it would > be away from the fuselage. Maybe this is the key. I'm now kind of anxious > to give this beast a try. So are we now saying that out of the box is correct? Oh, my head hurts! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:59:32 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hiding your model stash Message-ID: <200210161859.32656.larrym@sympatico.ca> > After the fire, I ended up going through all of the waterlogged boxes > with kits in them. (Very dirty and smelly exercise, by the way). I put them > into plastic baggies and then put the baggies into plastic storage crates. > In terms of space, very economical. In terms of aesthetics, I miss looking > at the boxes when I'm trying the figure out what to build next. Your experience has certainly stuck your thumb on the achilles heel of this idea. I guess part of the fun of this hobby is grabbing a bunch of boxes and sitting down and looking through them for ideas. I'm a newbie at this part of the hobby and even I have reorganized my kits 3-4 times already :-) The few vac kits I've got do quickly get 'out of sight, out of mind', probably because of the lack of a colored box to mark their territory. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:02:44 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Dorme & Guiguet Decals Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:49:58 -0400 (EDT), Larry Marshall wrote: > Then rather than using Qtips and decal solution, it might be better to spray > them with something like Testors Dull-cote, Krylon Krystal-Cote, or one of > the pastel fixatives. I've used these things with success on ink-jet printed > markings on flying models but ink-jet inks are very sensitive to many > solvents so brushing isn't a great idea. I was also thinking about spraying Future over them. Thoughts? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:08:53 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Pegasus/BM Site Message-ID: Just visited the P/BM site. It comes up with this message: "This Business Serve Account is on hold/suspended" Uh-oh. I hope this just means P/BM was late with a payment, and nothing else! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:04:01 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Phonix D.II color Message-ID: <200210111304.01246.larrym@sympatico.ca> > lead to where I am now). . . A-H Aces (Champlin press - pre-FMP edition) > refers to the photo,.. however in regards to attributing it to a pilot - I Yippee!!! I don't know that book. There seem to be a lot of "A-H Aces" book :-) > do recall the photo in question and that it (or perhaps a letter to the > editor) appeared elsewhere with all the other pilots listed. I can remember > being excited that I now had the other names to add to the images It's one of those photos that you look at and just know that it was posed and so it makes sense that the pilot names should be available somewhere. I'm going to go ahead with the build of Hans Leiner's GREEN aircraft based on your profile. Thanks Bob. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:13:19 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Starstrutter struts Message-ID: <200210161913.19548.larrym@sympatico.ca> > > I just pulled the kit and if you follow the isometrics carefully in their > > instructions, you would try to place that strut too far rearward but it > > would be away from the fuselage. Maybe this is the key. I'm now kind of > > anxious to give this beast a try. > > So are we now saying that out of the box is correct? It might be, if what you said (about having to move the strut forward of typical to get it to fit and if Dennis Uggliano truly did build his OOB. I don't think G. has built one and I sure haven't. > Oh, my head hurts! :-) Well...I wonder whether the guy who designed these struts didn't do it on a Monday morning and his head was hurting at the time. I sure wonder what the thinking was for the strange base location of that inward rear strut. BTW, you can see the assymetries in the strut locations from the side profiles but it isn't reflected in where the arrow points in the Toko isometric. If I weren't in the middle of 3 other models I'd start this one just to check this out myself :-) Looks to me as though one would need some sort of locator jig to get this right. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:15:33 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dorme & Guiguet Decals Message-ID: <200210161915.33337.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I was also thinking about spraying Future over them. Thoughts? I would think that would be fine but I've never done that and I try to only recommend stuff I've done :-) As you know, you can spray lots of things with solvents that will dissolve them if you brush the stuff on. And so it goes with inkjet ink. Spray good...brush bad :-) -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:27:54 +1000 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Hiding your model stash Message-ID: <005301c2756b$a7251150$1b4e2dcb@future> I had to pick up a parcel from NKR that was waiting for me at the P.O. this morning. It has the Special hobby Spad VII in it. My wife was with me. She asked, with a smile on her face "What's in there ?" I answered that it was a model I had ordered. "You will be busy today then." She was still smiling when she said that. Its good to have a wife that supports your hobby. ;-) Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:33:16 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Phonix D.II color Message-ID: <103481129301@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> This is the same as the FMP A-H aces book by Marty O'Connor ... it was originally published by Champlin Press. Bob ---------- >From: Larry Marshall > >> lead to where I am now). . . A-H Aces (Champlin press - pre-FMP edition) >> refers to the photo,.. however in regards to attributing it to a pilot - I > > Yippee!!! I don't know that book. There seem to be a lot of "A-H Aces" book > :-) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:18:40 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hiding your model stash Message-ID: <3DAE01E0.9030904@tampabay.rr.com> Larry's ploy of presenting her with a choice,( read expensive),item near a gift-giving occasion is nothing short of masterful. When I know I have a kit coming in the mail, I pack up an empty box, bigger than what's coming, address it, stagger out to the car with it and come home, sans package, complaining about the idiots at the post office. Then when the smaller box arrives, I openly examine the kit and shrug. This always gets the feminine curiosity into high gear, so I allow, after a bit of hemming and hawing, "Well, he got the better of me on that trade". Then she responds with something like, "It's your hobby Dear.", and puts on that smug Momma knows best look and walks off feeling she has somehow just won that round. ....Then the serious plastic fondling begins :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:27:09 -0700 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pictures of Navarre's Nieuport Message-ID: <200210161727.09755.ray_Boorman@telus.net> Mike, I used Ceramcoat and future. The colour was mostly Raw Linen 02546. Each time I sprayed I added a tiny amount of Palomino Tan 2108 and even less pale yellow 2005. Funny part is to fix some bad spots I hand brushed raw linen with no real difference in colour, so Raw Linen would get it. I just five minutes ago fitted the upper wing and the jig worked wonderfully - I have never had such an easy time. Not sure if it would work for larger models but it was just right for what I needed. That was even with holes for the struts that are decidely off on the starboard wing. On Wednesday 16 October 2002 15:35, you wrote: > Ray > I loved the jig! What color/paint did you use for the cdl? > Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:39:02 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Raised Paint Lines Message-ID: <3DAE06A6.2030507@tampabay.rr.com> > Yet sanding it is the only way to get rid of it, that I can think of. > You have to decide either to sand it with finer and finer sandpaper, > or just leave it. It might be best to leave it, sanding opens up > a whole can of worms. If you do go on the sanding trip, I find that > a very thin strip of red decal will restore the uneven edge that will > probably occur during sanding. > /Neil C. That is a fix I have used more than once :-) Wet sanding even with the finest of grits, 600 -1200, will scuff the adjacent paint as you remove the ridge between colors. Polish the area with a 2000 or 4000 grit foam backed polishing pads available at auto paint suppliers. This will leave Ceramcoat paint smooth but it will change and whiten the sheen. A light coat of Future brushed over the area and the scuffs disappear completely. Sanding a ridge of Ceramcoat will require a very light touch as it is easy to sand right through the paint near the ridge. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:46:30 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hiding your model stash Message-ID: <200210162046.30507.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Larry's ploy of presenting her with a choice,( read expensive),item near > a gift-giving occasion is nothing short of masterful. Well gosh, Steve, I feel so sorry for my wife. We live in a place where there's almost no model stuff available for purchase. What's she going to do when birthdays, xmas, and groundhog day rolls around? I just try to help in any way I can :-) -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:53:16 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Phonix D.II color Message-ID: <200210162053.16782.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Wednesday 16 October 2002 07:36 pm, you wrote: > This is the same as the FMP A-H aces book by Marty O'Connor ... it was > originally published by Champlin Press. Thanks for the clarification, Bob. It seems odd that the pilot reference was dropped when FMP published the book. It's pretty likely that my color rendition won't match, exactly, the reigning view on green mottling so I'm quite content to go with your reference to the pilot. We grab and hang on to such frail threads of information in this WWI modeling world. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:28:38 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM Site Message-ID: <00df01c2757c$85b632e0$ece51442@dwfjv01> Shucks! I was about to order some kits from him this week! Warren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:55:14 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Raised Paint Lines Message-ID: <016001c27580$3c9ed0e0$ece51442@dwfjv01> Bob, I remember hearing about this tip from some model railroading friends. They are using them to take the lettering or numbering off of factory-painted locomotives and/or rolling stock, since they may wnat more than one of a particular paint scheme, but without the same serial number. They are able to do this without harming or altering the paint underneath. This makes me wonder if it would be good for taking a decal off of a painted surface? Warren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:58:19 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Phonix D.II color Message-ID: <103481994001@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> Larry, Sorry, but you have misread the original statement. .. Nowhere does the Champlin A-H book mention the pilot. I based the illustration on the photograph in the AH Aces book... later I found another reference that gave the pilot's name. This may have been published as a letter to the editor in one of the WWI journals, or in another book. At the time I was doing these for my own enjoyment and didn't forsee needing to list my references for future use (which has been a pain in a few cases when I go back to add something) Bob ---------- >From: Larry Marshall >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Phonix D.II color >Date: Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 5:53 pm > > On Wednesday 16 October 2002 07:36 pm, you wrote: >> This is the same as the FMP A-H aces book by Marty O'Connor ... it was >> originally published by Champlin Press. > > Thanks for the clarification, Bob. It seems odd that the pilot reference was > dropped when FMP published the book. It's pretty likely that my color > rendition won't match, exactly, the reigning view on green mottling so I'm > quite content to go with your reference to the pilot. We grab and hang on to > such frail threads of information in this WWI modeling world. > > -- > Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:27:41 -0700 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Pegasus/BM Site Message-ID: <001101c2759d$ea38c720$dcd05f41@bradgossen> I've sent them three e-mails in the last few weeks with questions about an order and have yet to receive a reply. Might be time for a phone call. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: [WWI] Pegasus/BM Site > Just visited the P/BM site. It comes up with this message: > > "This Business Serve Account is on hold/suspended" > > Uh-oh. I hope this just means P/BM was late with a payment, and > nothing else! > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:01:25 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Phonix D.II color Message-ID: <200210162301.25021.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Sorry, but you have misread the original statement. .. Nowhere does the > Champlin A-H book mention the pilot. I based the illustration on the > photograph in the AH Aces book... later I found another reference that gave > the pilot's name. This may have been published as a letter to the editor in > one of the WWI journals, or in another book. At the time I was doing these > for my own enjoyment and didn't forsee needing to list my references for > future use (which has been a pain in a few cases when I go back to add > something) Ok...still, you're a recognized source and it's enough for me. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:03:34 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 Message-ID: <200210162303.34896.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Denis Winter (highly recommended by the way). The average working class > British male was about 5'2" to 5'4" compared to his Australian counterpart > who was a good 6" taller. A poor diet of mostly potatoes or other > carbs-type of food plus not enough protein, vegetables and fruit. Uhm...there's a certain genetic component to height as well. There are few British players in the NBA :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:44:36 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 Message-ID: No doubt and i wouldn't want to argue with a genetic scientist, however, let me ask 1. Has diet has anything to do with height? 2. Why were the British working class poor generally of smaller stature than their upper class countrymen? 3. Why hasn't this difference in height persisted until today? Michael >From: Larry Marshall >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:04:26 -0400 (EDT) > > > Denis Winter (highly recommended by the way). The average working class > > British male was about 5'2" to 5'4" compared to his Australian >counterpart > > who was a good 6" taller. A poor diet of mostly potatoes or other > > carbs-type of food plus not enough protein, vegetables and fruit. > >Uhm...there's a certain genetic component to height as well. There are few >British players in the NBA :-) > >Cheers --- Larry _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:59:54 -0400 From: "Matier Urquiza" To: "Arvie Sorum" Subject: Thinking of filing Bankruptcy (5GLn) Message-ID: <0c20148530011a2PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk> --6xyohnWUO1UTd6S03OQfXeOL---Minemindfxxyfc3WM6QdUp5j3M4581S8nAq1c5P3= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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