WWI Digest 4706 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Close Encounter of the Third Kind by Eric GALLAUD 2) RE: New Updates by Larry Marshall 3) Re: Close Encounter of the Third Kind by Larry Marshall 4) RE: New Updates by tbittners@sprintmail.com 5) Propellers - Photographic tone values by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 6) Re: Final Dispatch From the Fuselage Salient by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Re: My Eduard DRI build.. So far.. by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: Some OT, mostly ot model pics by "Diego Fernetti" 9) Re: Stitched seam advice needed on the AEG Front by "Pedro N. Soares" 10) Re: Web updates by "Diego Fernetti" 11) cold feet by "Diego Fernetti" 12) 2 Color Camo on Br.14s by Steven Perry 13) RE: Brumowski's LOCKEN, was Brumowski's sworls - again by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 14) RE: Brumowski's LOCKEN, was Brumowski's sworls - again by Larry Marshall 15) Re: Ardpol kits by "Bob Laskodi" 16) Re: Propellers - Photographic tone values by "Lee M." 17) Re: mephisto by "Hans Trauner" 18) Re: 2 Color Camo on Br.14s by "Bob Pearson" 19) Re: cold feet by "Matt Bittner" 20) Re: 2 Color Camo on Br.14s by "Matt Bittner" 21) Re: Web updates by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 22) re: cold feet by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 23) mephisto again by "Christopher Anderson" 24) AH Flying boats material by "Christopher Anderson" 25) Re: My Eduard DRI build.. So far.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 26) re: AH Flying boats material by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 27) RE: Brumowski's LOCKEN, was Brumowski's sworls - again by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 28) Re: mephisto again by Daniel Munoz 29) Re: Propellers - Photographic tone values by "NEIL EDDY" 30) Re: Propellers - Photographic tone values by Steven Perry 31) Web updates by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:35:38 +0200 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Close Encounter of the Third Kind Message-ID: <3DAC6E0A.6CABAE63@club-internet.fr> I want one !!!!! Eric Grzegorz Mazurowski a écrit : > Thanks to my Oeffag H in the IM I was contacted yesterday by the Czech guy > Ales Kautsky, who's Great-grandpa was Banfield's mechanic... > Today there is a bunch of previously unpublished photos (no, I'm not allowed > to share it in public!), scans of the various AH naval badges and some > informations in my mailbox! > This guy wrote a book about Austrian flying boats, will be published in 2003 > (probably). > What do you think? > I've jumped so high that I've hit the celling. > Cheers! > G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:14:25 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Updates Message-ID: <200210151614.25914.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Just most of the struts, Larry. As I recall, I used the "X's" to attach > the lower fuselage to the upper wing. Then I test fit the "V's." The > outer "V's" worked but one leg of the inner "V's" did not. I just clipped > it off and replaced it with Contrial strut material. You mentioned the single strut replacement. It seems less formidable than many other descriptions :-) One thing I've wondered about is this photo from Rosemont's site: http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/rose605.htm It shows their fuselage replacement with the stock stuff glued to it and the struts seem to fit. I wonder what Barry knows that others don't :-) -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:16:14 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Close Encounter of the Third Kind Message-ID: <200210151616.14127.larrym@sympatico.ca> > This guy wrote a book about Austrian flying boats, will be published in > 2003 (probably). > What do you think? Is he going to give you info so that it can be ordered? I 'need' one :-) > I've jumped so high that I've hit the celling. Don't ya hate it when that happens? -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:07:38 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Updates Message-ID: <200210152007.g9FK7ck19247@king1.kingsnake.com> On 10-15-2002 03:16 pm, Larry wrote: > You mentioned the single strut replacement. It seems less formidable than > many other descriptions :-) One thing I've wondered about is this photo from > Rosemont's site: > > http://www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby/rose605.htm > > It shows their fuselage replacement with the stock stuff glued to it and the > struts seem to fit. I wonder what Barry knows that others don't :-) If memory serves, I asked Barry about it, and I'm pretty sure he said he did it the same way Marc did - just replaced the one strut. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:28:01 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Propellers - Photographic tone values Message-ID: <20021015202801.00799343A6@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, Could it be that the propeller was stained/painted in a dark colour? I have a photo showing a stack of old propellers at the RNoAF restoration facility, they range from a very light wood via dark wood to dark, almost black propellers. They are in the process of getting them mounted on a wall so it should become easier to get decent photos. Some propellers were wrapped in doped fabric, but you will hardly ever see them in museums as they looks so much better in natural wood. Eders Knut Erik >This ties up with the debate about orthochromatic film etc and addresses a >problem I have at present with a Bristol M1c propeller. >In a lot of photographs propellers appear to be almost black but would the >true colour be more of a honey yellow or even a mahogany? Also, how defined >are the laminates on British props? > >To be quite honest I'm asking for this advice because I usually aim for an >orangey/honey finish but somehow I've landed up with a darker, almost >mahogany, appearance to the Bristol prop. Even though I say so myself it's >a fair replication of a laminated wood finish but I would like someone to >tell me that this darker finish is OK and acceptable! I don't want to strip >it down and start again! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:09:25 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Final Dispatch From the Fuselage Salient Message-ID: <04b201c27443$b4bfe160$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> To: Commander Perry From: HQ South, South American Front Congratulations STOP Heroic effort and deserved victory STOP Magistral use of resources to overcome battlefield difficulties STOP wish quick termination of hostilities with final build work of engineering troops STOP Keep up the good work! END TRANSMISSION Capitaine D. Cadets de la Gascogne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:26:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: My Eduard DRI build.. So far.. Message-ID: <04cc01c27446$18f2e720$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ross! > You can see how far I have progressed in this build. This was started as I > could not get hold of any Model master Wood pain, which I now have and can > continue with my Lloyd build too. Maybe taking a cup of hot future wax may help with that aching Model Master Wood? Great work so far with the tripe! May I ask wich pain scheme are you planning to pain it? ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:04:11 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Some OT, mostly ot model pics Message-ID: <04aa01c27442$f938ada0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Excellent show, as it seems. I love the giant ant! Are the argie airplanes made by that expatriate guy of IPMS Stockholm? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 7:20 AM Subject: [WWI] Some OT, mostly ot model pics > > Here's some model pics for you, I'm ashamed to say that I didn't > go, but I know a good deal of the models on show, if there are > any questions: > > > http://medlem.spray.se/ipmsgotom/modgot2002/index1.htm > > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:42:34 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stitched seam advice needed on the AEG Front Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3022E857F@TUFAO> I think that Shane's method will probably work good and easy: draw the stiches on a computer drawing program and print them onto clear decal on a laser printer(no problem since it's black). Cut to size and apply. P. > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: terça-feira, 15 de Outubro de 2002 11:41 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Stitched seam advice needed on the AEG Front > > > My idea on this would be drawing several paralell lines along > a clear decal > strip, preferably in light gray or greyish tan colour. > Overcoat with liquid > decal film and at last trim the so painted strip to the > desired width and > lenght. Apply over the seam you worked up on the belly of the beast. > HTH > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:58:02 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Web updates Message-ID: <049801c27442$1d73ff40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Al posted > Too many updates for me to list - check the news page on the site > for details. > More French stuff than Matt can shake a stick at. Shake it baby! Glencoe by Ken Z.: Awesome build of a less than awesome model. Just yesterday we were talking about this kit with Martín Afflitto and how could it be built without losing one's mind. Ken has succedded! Marc Flake's Nieuport: Beauty in the skis. Marc's Starstrutter: Excellent job in a not-so-beautiful aircraft (come on, we can't compare this one with a lovely bebé!) Eric's Spad XII: Mordious! In the same league than our pioneer Spad XII from Neil C. In this guise looks like a completely different machine, though. So Part makes those small levers for the ailerons, huh? If I had knew that before... And last, but not least... Mark's astounding renderings... Man I'm starting to suspect you have invented a time machine and you go up there with Jasta 5 and shoot colour pics of the dogfights. Have you thought on making animations of this work? Make some tests and go offer this wonderful stuff to Steven Spielberg. In no time we will have a WW1 aviation epic on the screens and a very rich Mr. Miller out there! D. Waiting for Mark's Nieuports to come... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:30:17 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: cold feet Message-ID: <047901c2743e$3c922400$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Good day! Good day to you, O honorable Sum Thin Wong! > We have a patent invention for Stockpiling Heat Insoles. The Stockpiling Heat Insoles made by new stockpiling heat material and possesses points as listed below: What a smashing new! A new stockpiling heat material! Go figure! Finally scientists are earning their allowance! > 1) In winter, the Stockpiling Heat Insoles Just in winter? what happens in summer? And springtime? > can offer warm and comfortable for feet for 4 hours as soon as they be filled with heat Stockpiled and filled with heat! Man that sounds as... > 2) filling heat takes only 2 hours. Wow! ONLY 2 hours? > 3) The Stockpiling Heat Insoles are agree with many people into a situation without warm to keep out the cold for their feet, like students, bicyclers, motorcycle drivers, sentinels, outdoor laborers, travelers, etc. You forgot Eskimos and pengüins. > The potential market is tempting !!! You can't imagine how tempted I feel. > 4) Only need ordinary sewing equipments for production of this item. The making technology is easily to learn. You mean I have to make my own insoles? > 5) The total costs of 2 pair of insole along with the electrothermal box can be within 1.0 USD in China. Investments for daily production of 500 pairs is only about 2000 USD in China. Let's see, one change of socks a day, 365 days in a year, 2000 USD for almost two years of warm feet is not expensive at all, even in China! > We are ready to make over the making technology at a unhigh price, Unhigh price! How convenient! > Best regards > Mr. Long Tan With that name you should be selling "Hawaiian Tropic", buddy. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:16:15 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 2 Color Camo on Br.14s Message-ID: <3DAC778F.2080103@tampabay.rr.com> Does anyone have access to the following reference? American Cross and Cockade; Vol 8, number 2 - 7 I am pursuing info on two color camo schemes on Breguet 14s. I'd sure like to hear from anyone who may know anything about 2 color Breguets. So far there is evidence of a 2 color brown/tan scheme on a Serbian Br.14. Eric Gallaud did a very nice rendition of this on the site. There is a green/green profile of a machine, reportedly captured, in Soviet stars. There is also a B&W photo of a machine in Soviet markings that was captured from the Whites. This looks to be a two color scheme, but has different number of stars than the profile. I'd like to get an I idea of the Soviet Photo's real colors, Brown/tan, Green /tan Green/green. It would help to know if there were any 2 color schemes proudced by any of the contractors who built Breguets. TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:03:14 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Brumowski's LOCKEN, was Brumowski's sworls - again Message-ID: <71EA257E03C4D511B8ED00065B04BF940136D221@ITCREX001> Grzes wrote: "(I'm writing this with big sorrow, as I really don't want to spoil Mark Flake's pride from excellent model - which is really excellent! - but scheme is, IMHO, wrong...)" No worries mate! I understand why you think the way you do. Obviously, Toko thought so, too. They have the Locken on a green background. I, however, defer to Dr. O'Conner, whose research was used to produce the Americal/Gryphon decals. The instructions specifically state that the Locken were applied to clear-doped linen on the Starstrutter only. As was stated before (by StE, I think, or maybe Lee M.) the photo you are using could be misleading. As I recall (and I know NOTHING about photography and light refraction) the position was taken that sunlight coming from behind the subject could cause the CDL fabric look darker than the mustard-yellow paint. I don't understand it, but I have seen it happen before in other photos. What you need to do, Grzes, is build a Toko Starstrutter with mustard-yellow Locken painted over a green background and post it to the site! ;^D Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:21:44 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Brumowski's LOCKEN, was Brumowski's sworls - again Message-ID: <200210151721.44559.larrym@sympatico.ca> > What you need to do, Grzes, is build a Toko Starstrutter with > mustard-yellow Locken painted over a green background and post it to the > site! ;^D If Locken and "sworl" are the same thing, this is fairly easy to do as the FCM sworl is on a green background. Methinks that your comment that the Starstrutter was different is the key here. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:40:00 -0700 From: "Bob Laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Ardpol kits Message-ID: <000d01c27493$6a370380$193819d0@a8f1a1> <<>> If you sell kits on Ebay as a lot, never sell off a large number of kits as a single lot as you will never get a fair price. The only Ebay bidders that will buy a large lot are professional collectors/resellers (and they are cheap skates!). Break your large lot up into smaller lots so the price of each lot is within the realm of an average modeler (even if this means you have 10-20 lots, trust me, it's worth the extra work), say about $100. That is the only way you will get a reasonable offer. Otherwise you will only get $3.00 a kit or less. HTH ----------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:54:23 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: Propellers - Photographic tone values Message-ID: <032b01c27495$6cb44da0$8a4d39cc@mesystem> You have the right idea. Photos are not very good for determining what happened between "new" and the day the picture was taken. Some of the wrapped and doped props looked as if they were made of plastic untill they had been used a while and they got pitted and banged about as badly as any other propeller. They are great for displays since they do stay nice for a long time, and, the wrapping takes away a lot of stone pits and leading edge chips. Lee M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Knut Erik Hagen" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Propellers - Photographic tone values > Hei, > > Could it be that the propeller was stained/painted in a dark colour? > I have a photo showing a stack of old propellers at the RNoAF restoration > facility, they range from a very light wood via dark wood to dark, > almost black propellers. They are in the process of getting them > mounted on a wall so it should become easier to get decent photos. > > Some propellers were wrapped in doped fabric, but you will hardly ever > see them in museums as they looks so much better in natural wood. > > > Eders > Knut Erik > > >This ties up with the debate about orthochromatic film etc and addresses a > >problem I have at present with a Bristol M1c propeller. > >In a lot of photographs propellers appear to be almost black but would the > >true colour be more of a honey yellow or even a mahogany? Also, how defined > >are the laminates on British props? > > > >To be quite honest I'm asking for this advice because I usually aim for an > >orangey/honey finish but somehow I've landed up with a darker, almost > >mahogany, appearance to the Bristol prop. Even though I say so myself it's > >a fair replication of a laminated wood finish but I would like someone to > >tell me that this darker finish is OK and acceptable! I don't want to strip > >it down and start again! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:24:58 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: mephisto Message-ID: <003501c27499$b1fc1060$f9aa72d4@FRITZweb> I got mine directly form the Queensland museum shop. See: http://www.qmuseum.qld.gov.au/organisation/publications/culture/mephisto.asp H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Anderson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: [WWI] mephisto > Hi Everyone, > > How can I obtain the Mephisto book; is there material in this book that is > unavailable elsewhere? This is a possible Xmas gift... > > Thanks, > > Chris > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:29:54 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 2 Color Camo on Br.14s Message-ID: <103472125302@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> > It would help to know if there were any 2 color > schemes proudced by any of the contractors who built Breguets. > TIA > sp I seriously doubt it .. it seems to be more a case of repeating the earlier thoughts on colours as seen in the old profile booklets. These show 2-3 colours on all sorts of French aircraft where we know that these aircraft actually had five colour patterns. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:38:39 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: cold feet Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:35:20 -0400 (EDT), Diego Fernetti wrote: > > Best regards > > Mr. Long Tan > > With that name you should be selling "Hawaiian Tropic", buddy. ROTFLMAO!!!! D, you really got me that time! :`-) (That's an emoticon denoting that I'm laughing so hard I'm crying!) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:40:53 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: 2 Color Camo on Br.14s Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT), Steven Perry wrote: > Does anyone have access to the following reference? > American Cross and Cockade; Vol 8, number 2 - 7 And please, for the person who has it, I too would like a copy. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:50:03 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Web updates Message-ID: <011a01c2749d$335fd080$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Make some tests and go offer this wonderful stuff > to Steven Spielberg. In no time we will have a WW1 aviation epic on the > screens and a very rich Mr. Miller out there! I've just came back from the "Minority Report". Excellent film! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:52:23 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: cold feet Message-ID: <012401c2749d$86ca7d60$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Diego! > > Mr. Long Tan What "Tan" means in Chinese? A nose? Maybe he's one of your relatives? ;-) G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:34:30 -0400 From: "Christopher Anderson" To: Subject: mephisto again Message-ID: <001d01c274a3$6e2c8d60$6922453f@canderson> Hi Again, Thanks Shane and Daniel for your replies. My question probably sounded flaky; as I mentioned before, I am considering the Mephisto book as a gift for a friend who is interested in OT stuff - though not a modeler - he collects big budget 'militaria', so except for the Neal O'Connor books we rarely intersect on OT material. I think he has an A7V book - must be the Hundleby book mentioned - but if there is unique content in the Queensland book it should be of interest to him. If by any chance he already has the book, I will keep it for myself! That must have been way cool to play on Mephisto as a kid! I remember many M-60s ( or whatever they were) around schools and the local armory, but they seem to have disappeared lately. The OT German gun with the Imperial eagle is still next to a Civil War monument in a local town square, er, are town triangles referred to as town squares? I'd appreciate any help on getting hold of the book. Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:53:04 -0400 From: "Christopher Anderson" To: Subject: AH Flying boats material Message-ID: <004401c274a6$373f8ca0$6922453f@canderson> G, Please keep us updated when this book is available! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:55:41 +1000 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: My Eduard DRI build.. So far.. Message-ID: <008501c274a6$5e928910$1b4e2dcb@future> It pains me that you would see the pain I went to, to use a spell checker that has no problem with the word pain. Now if we had of talked about paint that might be a different matter. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:31 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: My Eduard DRI build.. So far.. > Ross! > > You can see how far I have progressed in this build. This was started as I > > could not get hold of any Model master Wood pain, which I now have and can > > continue with my Lloyd build too. > > Maybe taking a cup of hot future wax may help with that aching Model Master > Wood? > Great work so far with the tripe! May I ask wich pain scheme are you > planning to pain it? ;-) > D. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:01:31 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: AH Flying boats material Message-ID: <019801c274a7$2f128ae0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Please keep us updated when this book is available! Don't worry! I will a lot of noise! Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:34:42 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Brumowski's LOCKEN, was Brumowski's sworls - again Message-ID: <01c701c274ab$d1bc3f80$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Mark! > I, however, defer to Dr. O'Conner, whose research was used to produce the > Americal/Gryphon decals. The instructions specifically state that the > Locken were applied to clear-doped linen on the Starstrutter only. It is a bit strange, I've read corresponding paragraph in O'Connor's article, and there is no proof or even a clue given, why he wrote "over doped linen". I admire O'Connor's work very much, especially for giving reasons why he wrote some statements. But this time this useful custom failed... Article shows two photos of this airplane, and although light is really a bit strange, it is very different on two photos. One is taken in hangar, into direction of the doors, against the light, but the second photo is in open! He also described two other D.Is camouflaged with yellow sworls over green! > As was stated before (by StE, I think, or maybe Lee M.) the photo you are > using could be misleading. As I recall (and I know NOTHING about > photography and light refraction) the position was taken that sunlight > coming from behind the subject could cause the CDL fabric look darker than > the mustard-yellow paint. I don't understand it, but I have seen it happen > before in other photos. Yes, it can be true with this photo inside of hangar, but with the second? I'm fairly trained in B&W photography, I've completed 3 years of the university photojournalism course which included many hours in the darkroom, so I'm not totally stupid here (but of course I'm not an expert in photo technology, like StE). I'm strongly convinced, that the only proof that "Locken" were over CDL is O'Connor's statement, which can be wrong... I'll definitely build my second Starstrutter in this scheme (first will be in CDL, with white and red checkerboard, Linke-Crawford's plane) Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:44:19 -0400 From: Daniel Munoz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: mephisto again Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021015204207.03634b98@pop1.sympatico.ca> Christopher, if you want to take a small look inside the book and you have a fast internet connection, I can make a few digital photographs for you and send them on your email. Just ask. Daniel At 07:33 PM 15/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Again, > >Thanks Shane and Daniel for your replies. My question probably sounded >flaky; as I mentioned before, I am considering the Mephisto book as a gift >for a friend who is interested in OT stuff - though not a modeler - he >collects big budget 'militaria', so except for the Neal O'Connor books we >rarely intersect on OT material. I think he has an A7V book - must be the >Hundleby book mentioned - but if there is unique content in the Queensland >book it should be of interest to him. If by any chance he already has the >book, I will keep it for myself! > >That must have been way cool to play on Mephisto as a kid! I remember many >M-60s ( or whatever they were) around schools and the local armory, but they >seem to have disappeared lately. The OT German gun with the Imperial eagle >is still next to a Civil War monument in a local town square, er, are town >triangles referred to as town squares? > >I'd appreciate any help on getting hold of the book. > >Thanks, > >Chris Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:47:44 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Propellers - Photographic tone values Message-ID: <00ca01c274ad$a49fde60$54cb32d2@default> G'day All; FWIW The RAAF Point Cook Museum has an original Sopwith Pup propeller that they found some years ago. It is still in its original state. This is not on display but is kept in one of the workrooms. There is a photograph of it on the WW1 Modelling Website. http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Bri/Pup/pupprop.jpg The lighting isn't brilliant, but IRC it was a lighter wood, honey coloured, and is mostly painted over grey. As Lee states it was also rather worn looking. HTH Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Knut Erik Hagen" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:28 AM Subject: [WWI] Propellers - Photographic tone values > Hei, > > Could it be that the propeller was stained/painted in a dark colour? > I have a photo showing a stack of old propellers at the RNoAF restoration > facility, they range from a very light wood via dark wood to dark, > almost black propellers. They are in the process of getting them > mounted on a wall so it should become easier to get decent photos. > > Some propellers were wrapped in doped fabric, but you will hardly ever > see them in museums as they looks so much better in natural wood. > > > Eders > Knut Erik > > >This ties up with the debate about orthochromatic film etc and addresses a > >problem I have at present with a Bristol M1c propeller. > >In a lot of photographs propellers appear to be almost black but would the > >true colour be more of a honey yellow or even a mahogany? Also, how defined > >are the laminates on British props? > > > >To be quite honest I'm asking for this advice because I usually aim for an > >orangey/honey finish but somehow I've landed up with a darker, almost > >mahogany, appearance to the Bristol prop. Even though I say so myself it's > >a fair replication of a laminated wood finish but I would like someone to > >tell me that this darker finish is OK and acceptable! I don't want to strip > >it down and start again! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:54:44 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Propellers - Photographic tone values Message-ID: <3DACB8D4.1060602@tampabay.rr.com> FWIW, here is a photo of a DH.4 prop cross section. http://web.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/jbox.jpg sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:16:54 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Web updates Message-ID: <20021016011654.BE60B342D9@login-3.eunet.no> We should defintely get Diego involved in the scripting of the movie... >> Make some tests and go offer this wonderful stuff >> to Steven Spielberg. In no time we will have a WW1 aviation epic on the >> screens and a very rich Mr. Miller out there! Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4706 **********************