WWI Digest 4697 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by "Bob Pearson" 2) Secret Santa 2002 by "ibs4421" 3) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by "Brad Gossen" 5) Re: Emhar plastics by Al Superczynski 6) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by Paul Thompson 7) Arabic & Islamic Books by dki 8) Re: Secret Santa? by Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz 9) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by Crawford Neil 10) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by Crawford Neil 11) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 12) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by Crawford Neil 13) Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 14) Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum by Dave Fleming 15) Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum by Dave F 16) Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 17) Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum by Tom Gourdie 18) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by "Matt Bittner" 19) Re: WWI digest 4696 by "Fraser" 20) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by "Diego Fernetti" 21) Re: WWI digest 4696 by Tom Gourdie 22) Re: WWI digest 4696 by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by "NEIL EDDY" 24) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by "NEIL EDDY" 25) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by "NEIL EDDY" 26) Engine Washes & Weathering by "NEIL EDDY" 27) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by "Diego Fernetti" 28) Re: Engine Washes & Weathering by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Re: Engine Washes & Weathering by "NEIL EDDY" 30) Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 by "Michael Kendix" 31) Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:22:30 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <103431018701@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Boy, you guys had better not let Reverend Sharon hear you talking about her favourite this way. . Bob ---------- > > >> I still have to go with Wolff. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:11:50 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Secret Santa 2002 Message-ID: <003a01c270e4$b52ee900$82e51442@dwfjv01> OK Ladies and Gentlemen, If no one else feels they can do the Secret Santa thing this year, and since I was brazen enough to bring up the subject, I will try and see if I can run the thing this year in Mario's absence. SWMBO sez she will offer her expert techie advice to me, hopefully for free. I have found a program that will draw the names, i just need to download it, and test it. I will try to keep this thing as simple and idiot-proof as possible. Dicta Ira! Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:20:02 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <160.156e2ae1.2ad7b982@aol.com> In a message dated 10/10/02 9:25:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bpearson@kaien.net writes: << Boy, you guys had better not let Reverend Sharon hear you talking about her favourite this way. . Bob >> BTW- anybody hear from the good Reverend lately? RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:35:05 -0700 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <004b01c270e7$f4327920$ddd55f41@bradgossen> If you can get hold of a copy of The Fighters by Thomas Funderburk check out the photo of Hellmuth von Zastrow on page 16. He's either a member of the Transylvanian Fliegertrupp or he's just returned from 3 hour scrap with 50 Camels! The book says he succumbed shortly after the war to "depression and illness". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: [WWI] weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gourdie" > > I know I've expressed this view before but I reckon anybody involved in > the > > air, on the ground, or at sea, between 1914-18 was damned lucky if he > didn't > > look a bit weird. > > LOL! Agreed completely. Now the question for the new thread is: Who was the > weirdest looking WW1 pilot? Mannock looked a bit strange, but to me the most > scary looking of them was Berthold. Sad end for him, as well. > > > As for the air, much as I find aircraft of the period > > absolutely fascinating, most of them, as far as I can see, were accidents > > just waiting to happen. > > Not to mention the hanging observer nacelle of german zeppelins... utter > madeness! > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:33:46 -0500 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Emhar plastics Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:13:27 -0400 (EDT), Peter wrote: >...the plastic is the same basic gray plastic as in the AFV kits (and >as Larry noted it is "quite normal"). My problem lies in the size of >the objects being cemented (a 1/72 wrist is manifestly _not_ John >Holmes-sized...) and the stresses placed on the joins in the subsequent >filling/sanding operations... Why not reinforce the joints be drilling into them and inserting some fine metal rods? Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:23:53 +0200 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021011082031.00a41560@pop.xs4all.nl> At 12:06 AM 11-10-02 -0400, you wrote: >This was the label under which the Anatra was >available the first time on a broader basis. But only in a package >containing 4 kits, all the WWII stuff also. After that Emhar aquired the >moulds. Not quite true, it was also available in a Red Star baggy with the Mig 3 and a few decals. Paul T. (in digest mode, so sorry if this earth-shaking bit of info was already mentioned). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:05:50 +0200 From: dki To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Arabic & Islamic Books Message-ID: <0H3T0092O29UV3@typhoon.idm.net.lb>
 
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------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:14:15 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Secret Santa? Message-ID: Count me in too please. LVi >> Odpovězte prosím - wwi@wwi-models.org Odesláno kým: wwi@wwi-models.org Od: "NEIL EDDY" @wwi-models.org 10.10.2002 16:27:48 Komu: Multiple recipients of list Kopie: Předmět: [WWI] Re: Secret Santa? Yes, count me in again this year too :-) All the Best Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "ibs4421" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: [WWI] Secret Santa? > Folks, > Has anyone had any thoughts about doing the Secret Santa thing > this year? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:54:40 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: Yep, thats the one I've got, it was nice and cheap! /Neil C. > > Small correction: There was a second Red Star issue of the > Anatra (and the 3 ot fighters) which came in a small plastic bag with a > cardboard cover in the same way of the old Frog kits. Not that it really > matters, but for those collectors amongst us that have to have every edition > of a kit... > > Volker > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:59:34 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: Hey, Leave off Fonckie, he looks very neat and trim, lovely moustache, and a very "haute couture" kepi. Cigarette in holder is just the icing on the cake! /Neil C. (Northern chapter of the Fonck and Mannock fanciers) > > Then there's Fonck...In all the photos of him I've seen he > always looks like > he's got a carrot stuck somewhere..... ;-) > > All the Best > > Neil E > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:26:00 +0100 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: If I were you, I'd keep that to yourself! N >/Neil C. >(Northern chapter of the Fonck and Mannock fanciers) -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:30:40 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: Hmm yes, good point! /Neil C. > If I were you, I'd keep that to yourself! > N > > >/Neil C. > >(Northern chapter of the Fonck and Mannock fanciers) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:05:28 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum Message-ID: <3DA69458.D5A169F1@tac.com.au> Hi all, Can anyone supply details of the above aircraft at Yeovilton?? About to add some pics of them to the Cook-up site with some other addtitions. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:14:18 +0100 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum Message-ID: <1034327658.3da6966a7ed21@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane & Lorna Jenkins : > > Hi all, > > Can anyone supply details of the above aircraft at Yeovilton?? > > About to add some pics of them to the Cook-up site with some other > addtitions. > > Shane > > Both replicas, I think one or both are ex-Leisure Sport flyers - the FAA Museum bought quite a few of them. I'll look it up !! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:20:39 +0100 From: Dave F To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum Message-ID: <1034328039.3da697e79745b@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane & Lorna Jenkins : > > Hi all, > > Can anyone supply details of the above aircraft at Yeovilton?? > > About to add some pics of them to the Cook-up site with some other > addtitions. > OTOH..... Looking it up, the Albie is definitely a replica, but the Baby appears to be a 'replica' with some original parts of 8214 and 8215 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:26:44 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum Message-ID: <3DA69954.A5B00047@tac.com.au> Dave F wrote: > > Quoting Shane & Lorna Jenkins : > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Can anyone supply details of the above aircraft at Yeovilton?? > > > > About to add some pics of them to the Cook-up site with some other > > addtitions. > > > > OTOH..... > > Looking it up, the Albie is definitely a replica, but the Baby appears to be > a 'replica' with some original parts of 8214 and 8215 Thanks Dave ;-) While you're at it - anything on the FAA Camel & Shuttleworth Sopwith Triplane? Can you tell we're going thru pics from last years trip ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:37:43 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum Message-ID: <02Oct11.103807bst.118110@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> The Shuttleworth Triplane was built to very exacting standards using original Sopwith plans in 1988 - very little concession to modern materials etc. Sopwith himself (not long before he died) paid the builders the compliment of saying that Triplane production had only been temporarily suspended in 1917 and had recommenced in 1988 with this 152nd example. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins [mailto:sljenkins@tac.com.au] Sent: 11 October 2002 10:28 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Sopwith Baby & D.Va - FAA Museum Dave F wrote: > > Quoting Shane & Lorna Jenkins : > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Can anyone supply details of the above aircraft at Yeovilton?? > > > > About to add some pics of them to the Cook-up site with some other > > addtitions. > > > > OTOH..... > > Looking it up, the Albie is definitely a replica, but the Baby appears to be > a 'replica' with some original parts of 8214 and 8215 Thanks Dave ;-) While you're at it - anything on the FAA Camel & Shuttleworth Sopwith Triplane? Can you tell we're going thru pics from last years trip ;-) Shane This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:15:55 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:00:41 -0400 (EDT), NEIL EDDY wrote: > Yes I have this Red Star Box O' Four. The Anatra on my model gallery comes > from this set. I was thinking of doing one of the (blush) ot thingies soon > for a bit of a change.... None of these are accurate. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:19:21 +0200 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 4696 Message-ID: <002201c27111$1f7291a0$fe78a8c0@pc145681> Subject: [WWI] Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure A lot of strange aerial persons... My choice is Hermann G. That mouth...a bit slack. He always looks a trifle...pervy. Mind you, remember that the camera doesn't always like people (my excuse)! Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:52:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <010301c27114$5bdba0c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil, our nearest man to Uppsala, wrote: > Hey, Leave off Fonckie, he looks very neat and trim, > lovely moustache, and a very "haute couture" kepi. > Cigarette in holder is just the icing on the cake! Well, Hermann also used to smoke on a cigarette holder (one of those long holders, just like Gloria Swanson) when pictured in the Casino at Metz. I'm not sure about the carrot, in his case. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:00:20 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: WWI digest 4696 Message-ID: <02Oct11.120043bst.118150@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> The thing that strikes me most about images of people from the 1914 generation is how old they look. Bearing in mind that most of these people were in their twenties - some not even that - they often look twenty or thirty years older than their true age. Look at a photograph of Boelcke in early 1915 and one taken in 1916 and you would swear that a couple of decades had passed by rather than one year. Then fashion comes into it too - moustaches, hairstyle etc. Leefe-Robinson was only about twenty when he did his bit of Zeppelin-trashing but with his moustache I would place him in his mid-thirties at least. At the end of the day though I would put older appearance , and indeed 'weirdo' appearance, down to incredible unrelenting fear and stress. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Fraser [mailto:fraserinprague@volny.cz] Sent: 11 October 2002 11:28 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI digest 4696 Subject: [WWI] Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure A lot of strange aerial persons... My choice is Hermann G. That mouth...a bit slack. He always looks a trifle...pervy. Mind you, remember that the camera doesn't always like people (my excuse)! Fraser This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:15:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 4696 Message-ID: <016201c27117$84745c40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tom! > The thing that strikes me most about images of people from the 1914 > generation is how old they look. Bearing in mind that most of these people > were in their twenties - some not even that - they often look twenty or > thirty years older than their true age. Look at a photograph of Boelcke in > early 1915 and one taken in 1916 and you would swear that a couple of > decades had passed by rather than one year. I have thought about that as well, but the case seems the same with people of those years or before. I have pictures of my great-grandfather at 25 yrs. old and he looks as 40 yrs. old. I guess we are now best fed and clothes are best made than in 1900/1920. I once saw a French book about "la Grande Guerre" where a few American soldiers were exchanging gigarrettes and magazines with their French allies. The young Americans were tall and athletic -what you may expect from a trained soldier- but the French were about a head shorter and looked more frail. Of course, stress and war weariness influenced that, but nowadays, people from Europe and America are not as different. > At the end of the day though I would put older appearance , and indeed > 'weirdo' appearance, down to incredible unrelenting fear and stress. Agreed. Also, having two ot three tours to twelve hundred feet in an open cockpit each day must affect anyone. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:19:12 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: <006401c27118$074c7440$ccac86cb@default> Still, it passes the time..... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:14 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:00:41 -0400 (EDT), NEIL EDDY wrote: > > > Yes I have this Red Star Box O' Four. The Anatra on my model gallery comes > > from this set. I was thinking of doing one of the (blush) ot thingies soon > > for a bit of a change.... > > None of these are accurate. ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:21:50 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <007b01c27118$65733cc0$ccac86cb@default> yeah, I bet even the carrot was pedigree..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure > Hey, Leave off Fonckie, he looks very neat and trim, > lovely moustache, and a very "haute couture" kepi. > Cigarette in holder is just the icing on the cake! > /Neil C. > (Northern chapter of the Fonck and Mannock fanciers) > > > > > > Then there's Fonck...In all the photos of him I've seen he > > always looks like > > he's got a carrot stuck somewhere..... ;-) > > > > All the Best > > > > Neil E > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:23:21 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <008a01c27118$9b99d8e0$ccac86cb@default> Is this why Gloria Swanson gave up smoking.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:52 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure > Well, Hermann also used to smoke on a cigarette holder (one of those long > holders, just like Gloria Swanson) when pictured in the Casino at Metz. > I'm not sure about the carrot, in his case. > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:31:51 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Engine Washes & Weathering Message-ID: <009001c27119$cb9bc660$ccac86cb@default> Hi All; I was just painting up the engine on my Pfalz, when this question occurred to me. What does everyone use for dirtying and weathering the engine? For a wash I either use a dilute Tamiya Smoke or a water colour wash of burnt umber and black. Then I drybrush bits with a Gunze Burnt Iron Metallizer. I was thinking though - given that fresh oil has a sort of almost translucent quality, would it possible to mix Future with a either a brown water colour or oil colour but not mix it properly (so as to attempt to get the 'translucent' effect), in order to show a fresh oil leak? I was also thinking of using this to represent the 'throw off' from rotary engines too. Would this work I wonder...I may try an experiment and see how it goes.... All the Best Neil E (Southern Cohort) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:37:02 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <019101c2711a$84da90c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> All right, Mr. DeMille... D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NEIL EDDY" > Is this why Gloria Swanson gave up smoking.... > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:43:17 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Engine Washes & Weathering Message-ID: <01a501c2711b$642076a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil, the one enjoying springtime, wrote: > I was thinking though - given that fresh oil has a sort of almost > translucent quality, would it possible to mix Future with a either a brown > water colour or oil colour but not mix it properly (so as to attempt to get > the 'translucent' effect), in order to show a fresh oil leak? I was also > thinking of using this to represent the 'throw off' from rotary engines too. > Would this work I wonder...I may try an experiment and see how it goes.... I read somewhere that a wash of India ink followed with a vigorous wiping with a cloth rag can give you the oily looks that engines have. Of course, in rotaries the black wash can be replaces with sepia ink or such. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:07:26 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Engine Washes & Weathering Message-ID: <00e001c2711e$c4805ee0$ccac86cb@default> Hi All; I just tried this and it sort of works. I put some burnt umber water colour into some Future and didn't mix it up much. In fact I deliberately left some unattractive looking lumps of the burnt umber unmixed in the Future. A quick attempt at rotary splatter effects worked enough for me to persist with it. Same with drips but I think the secret to the drips may be finding the right fine applicator as these can't be very big. The effect looked brown but translucent. The splatters also have that slight 3-D effect that oil splatters sort of have. I'll have to check them when they are completely dry to see how much of this effect remains then. I think I'll keep experimenting.... All the Best Neil E (southern thingie) ----- Original Message ----- From: "NEIL EDDY" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: [WWI] Engine Washes & Weathering > Hi All; > > I was thinking though - given that fresh oil has a sort of almost > translucent quality, would it possible to mix Future with a either a brown > water colour or oil colour but not mix it properly (so as to attempt to get > the 'translucent' effect), in order to show a fresh oil leak? I was also > thinking of using this to represent the 'throw off' from rotary engines too. > Would this work I wonder...I may try an experiment and see how it goes.... > > All the Best > > Neil E > (Southern Cohort) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:35:21 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 Message-ID: >From: "Diego Fernetti" > >and from Tom Gourdie: > > The thing that strikes me most about images of people from the 1914 > > generation is how old they look. ....Look at a photograph of >Boelcke >in early 1915 and one taken in 1916 and you would swear that > >a couple of >decades had passed by rather than one year. Stress, stress and more stress. I saw a TV interview of one of the NYC Fire Chiefs or whatever one year afte 9/11 and his hair had turned white in a year. >best made than in 1900/1920. I once saw a French book about "la Grande >Guerre" where a few American soldiers were exchanging gigarrettes and >magazines with their French allies. The young Americans were tall and >athletic -what you may expect from a trained soldier- but the French >were >about a head shorter and looked more frail. The difference between the average Australian and British soldier was even more apparent. The basic answer was diet and general living conditions. I forget the actual data but I believe I read about this is "Death's Men" by Denis Winter (highly recommended by the way). The average working class British male was about 5'2" to 5'4" compared to his Australian counterpart who was a good 6" taller. A poor diet of mostly potatoes or other carbs-type of food plus not enough protein, vegetables and fruit. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:42:07 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: tress, diet and aging/ was: WWI digest 4696 Message-ID: > Stress, stress and more stress. I saw a TV interview of one > of the NYC Fire > Chiefs or whatever one year afte 9/11 and his hair had turned > white in a > year. Yes, my Grandad went into the trenches in 1914-15 (underage at 16 I think) with red hair, and was completely white when he got out of hospital in 1917-18. At least he told me so. /Neil ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4697 **********************