WWI Digest 4696 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by Dave Fleming 2) Re: Krakow Museum website by "Marek Mincbergr" 3) Re:" Posed" Control Surfaces by "Shane Weier" 4) Re: Russian civil war Star emblem by Steven Perry 5) Re: Russian civil war Star emblem by Steven Perry 6) Re: Junkers J1 ! wasRE: Eduard future releases by "Shane Weier" 7) re: Vauquois (and Emhar plastic) by Steve Cox 8) Re: Emhar plastics by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 9) Re: listee meet listee by Dennis Ugulano 10) Re: Farmanopeia, or the science to build spiderwebs by Dennis Ugulano 11) Re: Russian civil war Star emblem by SSH 12) Re: Secret Santa? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 13) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 14) Re: Russian civil war Star emblem by Steven Perry 15) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by "Hans Trauner" 16) Re: Russian civil war Star emblem by SSH 17) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by John Huggins 18) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by "Shane Weier" 19) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by John Huggins 20) small contests - an addendum by Larry Marshall 21) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by Larry Marshall 22) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by Volker Haeusler 23) Free Domain name registration Site.Limited Chance No banner Advertisement(±¤°í) by ÀÓ»ó¼ö 24) RE: ARMO FT-17 interior by "Matt Bittner" 25) Re: Recon Photos from the AEG Front by Tom Plesha 26) RE: ARMO FT-17 interior by Tom Sollers 27) Re:" Posed" Control Surfaces by "NEIL EDDY" 28) Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra by "NEIL EDDY" 29) Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure by "NEIL EDDY" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:37:51 +0100 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <1034285871.3da5f32f2d34f@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Mike Muth : > D wondered: > Now the question for the new thread is: Who was the > > weirdest looking WW1 pilot? Mannock looked a bit strange, but to me > the > most > > scary looking of them was Berthold. > > Yep, Berthold is right up there. Those maniacal eyes, undoubtedly > spurred on by all the pain, are downright spooky. The picture of Kurt Wolff in Osprey' Albatros Aces is downright scary. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:15:52 +0200 From: "Marek Mincbergr" To: Subject: Re: Krakow Museum website Message-ID: <000001c270a5$b2c27b80$2c83ebd5@j> Hello again after my visit in US! I have 800 emails in Inbox, so it will take long to read them :-O Grzegorz, late but... In Czech regiments of AH army the soldiers allways said: "Za Boha, za Cisare, za Vlast!" or in german "Fur Gott, Kaiser und Vatterland!" In English:"For God, Emperor and Fatherland!" Cheers Marek > Tom! > It's "Za Boga i Cesarza", but it doesn't sound like Polish OT saying. What > emperor? It sounds like Napoleonic. Russian emperor would be "Car" (Tsar) > instead of "Cesarz" Let me know the context to get better translation. > Can be off-list, if you like. > Generally Poles had "Bog Honor Ojczyzna" (God, Honour, Fatherland) words on > the standards. > Cheers! > G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:43:01 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:" Posed" Control Surfaces Message-ID: Hi John, > >One - obviously, you don't need to build with the control surfaces in a >resting position, but is it accepted practice to do so? Modellers (especially we WW1 types) are a pretty ornery bunch, so I don't believe there's any accepted practice OTOH I built that kit last Christmas and while I *started* with the intention of an OOB build I couldn't bring myself to do it without dropping the elevator which is almost always in that position when parked. > >Two - Once the control surfaces are sliced off and re-positioned, how do >you >replace those tiny raised rectangular connecting points? Tiny raised rectangles of 5 thou plastic card Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:53:01 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian civil war Star emblem Message-ID: <3DA5F6BD.2000309@tampabay.rr.com> Sanjeev: I have a clearer and larger print of that photo. Your caption is out of Red Stars 3 and the one I have is in a Russian language book. I have a translation of the text, but not the photo captions. Anyway even in the larger and clearer photo, I can't make out any top wing markings. If it had pre-revolution markings then if you use anything, I'd recommend 3,4,or6 on your example, http://www.odobenus.net/rnpdir/stars.jpg sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:56:05 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian civil war Star emblem Message-ID: <3DA5F775.2020705@tampabay.rr.com> Hey Sanjeev: How are you handling the indian head marking? nosy modelers want to know sp > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:59:22 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Junkers J1 ! wasRE: Eduard future releases Message-ID: D says: >Ah no! young blade! >That was a trifle short! (etc., snipped)) Diego, I'm ashamed of you. Plagiarism unacknowledged yet! Now, go away and writ eyour own funny lines ;-) Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:08:34 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: re: Vauquois (and Emhar plastic) Message-ID: > From: Larry Marshall > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:33:01 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] re: Vauquois (and Emhar plastic) > > >> You're of course speaking about Emhar figures set. Emhar kits have fairly >> normal plastic (I know Anatra and Mark IV tanks, I also expect the same >> normal plastic in A7V). > > Yes, it's quite normal. How is the Anatra kit? That's 1/72, right? > > -- > Cheers --- Larry > It's a bit overscale, about 1/66th IIRC regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:10:35 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Emhar plastics Message-ID: <010e01c270a9$dbfefba0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Pete! > Yep...the plastic is the same basic gray plastic as in the AFV kits (and > as Larry noted it is "quite normal"). My problem lies in the size of > the objects being cemented Understood! > French set [Airfix re-issue], but let's not go there... Thanks! G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:11:19 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: listee meet listee Message-ID: <200210101811_MC3-1-14DB-3D97@compuserve.com> Hey RK and group, Outside of Sacramento I met my first list member in Robert Karr. Nice meeting with someone whose paintings I have looked at for years. As he said, a short but pleasant meeting. The trip to Brookhurst was my first in about 8 years. I went through the vacs and found some wing blanks by Barry. I also stroked the box of his SPAD A2 but resisted. My son's senior trip was a blast and we arrived home this afternoon at 2pm safe and sound. Again, Robert, it was a pleasure to meet with you. Dennis (alias Speedfingers?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:11:21 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Farmanopeia, or the science to build spiderwebs Message-ID: <200210101811_MC3-1-14DB-3D99@compuserve.com> D, >> Ooops! Sorry for the mistake Dennis. Sure your own model looks great too and it was present on my mind with that nice bat artwork you painted on. << Not a problem my friend. Too many models to remember all of them. And I stayed in the background because I think Michael did a better job than I did. Uggie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:19:47 -0400 From: SSH To: Subject: Re: Russian civil war Star emblem Message-ID: <20021010222950.B082A10419C@mail.mailsnare.net> Steven, >>>> If it had pre-revolution markings then if you use anything, I'd recommend 3,4,or6 on your example. >>>>>http://www.odobenus.net/rnpdir/stars.jpg ------ Thanks! I can see why #3 is a good bet. But why do you recommend 4 and 6? Note that the Finnish caption suggests that only the Indian head marking is pre-revolution. It is quite possible that the rest of the IRAS markings were oevr coated and covered with new markings. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:25:56 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Secret Santa? Message-ID: <018801c270ac$00afc400$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Mike wrote: > Oh yeah, it took Grez about an extra month before mine > got to him! It was not true! I've got first part of the gift on a time, only had to wait for the second part! But what a part! Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:36:37 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: <01bb01c270ad$7ef90fa0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Larry! Emhar Anatra isn't very bad, but it's much overscale, and a bit primitive, basic kit. If you're really interested, Luedemann makes really very good kit. Contact me off-list if you need it. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:50:35 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian civil war Star emblem Message-ID: <3DA6043B.2000305@tampabay.rr.com> Way I counted them those were all the markings painted on disks on the assumption any IRAS roundels were overpainted. sp SSH wrote: > Steven, > > >>>>> If it had pre-revolution markings then if you use anything, >>>>> > I'd recommend 3,4,or6 on your example. > >>>>>>http://www.odobenus.net/rnpdir/stars.jpg >>>>>> > > ------ Thanks! > I can see why #3 is a good bet. But why do you recommend 4 and 6? > Note that the Finnish caption suggests that only the Indian head > marking is pre-revolution. It is quite possible that the rest of the > IRAS markings were oevr coated and covered with new markings. > > regards > Sanjeev > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:57:39 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: <005b01c270b0$6ee74340$e7a072d4@FRITZweb> Don't blame Emhar. It's a Frog kit! Short before the demise of Frog they made a series of russian a/c already aimed for the russian market, just before the majority of moulds went to the former USSR. A few test shots were available, there is a saying that around 250 where made. I have one. It's just a plastic bag with the test shot in bluish grey. No instructions, no decals. >From the Frog moulds only those representing the bad fascist a/c remained outside of the USSR. That's why Revell had the TA152 etc. As far as I now the last Frog moulds, the Anatra , the Mig 3 etc. never left England but where used by 'RedStar' later. This was the label under which the Anatra was available the first time on a broader basis. But only in a package containing 4 kits, all the WWII stuff also. After that Emhar aquired the moulds. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:39 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra > Larry! > Emhar Anatra isn't very bad, but it's much overscale, and a bit primitive, > basic kit. > If you're really interested, Luedemann makes really very good kit. > Contact me off-list if you need it. > Cheers! > G. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:54:15 -0400 From: SSH To: Subject: Re: Russian civil war Star emblem Message-ID: <20021010230421.7C32B10419F@mail.mailsnare.net> >>>>>>Way I counted them those were all the markings painted on disks on >the >assumption any IRAS roundels were overpainted. --------- as the count said to Cyrano: Good point!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:21:47 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <0BDE62E0-DCA7-11D6-B6A3-0003934C8626@huggins-leahey.com> On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 04:39 PM, Dave Fleming wrote: >> Now the question for the new thread is: Who was the weirdest looking >> WW1 pilot? Mannock looked a bit strange, but to me >> the most scary looking of them was Berthold. >> >> Yep, Berthold is right up there. Those maniacal eyes, undoubtedly >> spurred on by all the pain, are downright spooky. > > The picture of Kurt Wolff in Osprey' Albatros Aces is downright scary. > Kurt Wolff has looked very weird in every picture I see with him in it. JP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:43:30 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: D >LOL! Agreed completely. Now the question for the new thread is: Who was the >weirdest looking WW1 pilot? A tossup between Festner and Wolff. That well kown pic of J.11 .......... Shane _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:49:47 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: I still have to go with Wolff. Something about him that gives me the willies. Could be his eyes. the fact that he is too skinny, the way he wears his hat. i don't know, but I just wouldn't trust him. JP On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 06:44 PM, Shane Weier wrote: > D > > > >> LOL! Agreed completely. Now the question for the new thread is: Who >> was the >> weirdest looking WW1 pilot? > > A tossup between Festner and Wolff. > > That well kown pic of J.11 .......... > > Shane > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:30:28 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: small contests - an addendum Message-ID: <200210102030.28244.larrym@sympatico.ca> Recently I initiated a thread about small contest divisions and got some very helpful feedback for our club. Unfortunately, I also voiced some frustrations about how our local group functioned. Not only was this inappropriate in a public forum, my comments have, understandably, upset some of the membership of our club. There is not much I can do about the members being unhappy with me, but some of the comments they've made to me suggest that I've given this list an incorrect view of the situation here. Correcting that now, only matters I guess, to me, though I do hope that some of you might have the opportunity to meet some of the guys in the Quebec club and thus it . might matter to you as well. As I said in the thread, the members of Societe de Modelisme Historique de Quebec are very nice guys and what may be unclear from my comments is that many of them are first class modelers. Anyways, I made two groups of statements. The first had to do with the centralized control over our club. Ignorance (mine) appears to be the root problem here as I've been told that, when the club was formed a year ago, that the general membership voted for that centralized control so my assumption that this control was imposed is simply incorrect. Secondly, I made a couple comments about the abilities of the membership and it seems these have been misunderstood locally so it's quite possible that others who read this list have misunderstood those comments as well. As I re-read my statements I can see how this would be easily the case. My comments about their abilities, however, were strictly related only to the belief of the executive that they can judge historical accuracy at a model event without the use of historical documentation. While I applaud the fact that they want to make historical accuracy part of their judging criteria, I still believe this impossible, by Quebec modelers or any other group on earth. In no way, however, did I mean to disparage the modeling abilities of our club membership. Some of these guys build models that will rival any being placed on any judging table anywhere on the planet. I know that and they know that but I can see where my generalized comments could have been misleading. I apologize for taking up space with my ill-advised, and largely incorrect statements. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:33:19 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: <200210102033.19924.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Emhar Anatra isn't very bad, but it's much overscale, and a bit primitive, > basic kit. This doesn't sound too appealing. > If you're really interested, Luedemann makes really very good kit. > Contact me off-list if you need it. Right now I've got a lot of models in boxes and not enough on the shelves. I think I need to gain better balance before I go hunting for more kits but I'll let you know when I do need one as I'd like to get one of the Luedemann Anatras. Thanks for the offer. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:35:10 -0700 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: <000d01c2714c$8c890b80$146e160a@CCO03> Hans jus said: > . As far as I now > the last Frog moulds, the Anatra , the Mig 3 etc. never left England but > where used by 'RedStar' later. This was the label under which the Anatra was > available the first time on a broader basis. That's correct - we just discussed the question whether these moulds went to Russia or not some six months ago on the list, and just by chance I found a letter in an old Scale Models recently, where the guy behind Red Star made clear that these four molds remained in the UK, and the red Star kits were produced there. >But only in a package > containing 4 kits, all the WWII stuff also. After that Emhar aquired the > moulds. Small correction: There was a second Red Star issue of the Anatra (and the 3 ot fighters) which came in a small plastic bag with a cardboard cover in the same way of the old Frog kits. Not that it really matters, but for those collectors amongst us that have to have every edition of a kit... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:44:11 +0900 From: ÀÓ»ó¼ö To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Free Domain name registration Site.Limited Chance No banner Advertisement(±¤°í) Message-ID: <3DA541FF0005918A@mta02.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Free Domain name Registration

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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:51:26 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: ARMO FT-17 interior Message-ID: Wish we had something like this in the proper scales. ;-) --Original Message Text--- I've been away a work trip and am now catching up with the digests. I have this set and highly recommend it if you want to create a really detailed interior for the RPM FT-17 kit. It includes finely-cast resin pieces and a PE set (from Part) for building a complete chassis interior for the driver's space, as well as the interior of the turret (gun breech, etc.). The resin pieces are highly detailed and include treadplate floors, controls, walls, replacement turret, and other pieces. There is even a clear film for the driver's instrument panel. Best regards, Myles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Recon Photos from the AEG Front Message-ID: <20021011022348.2885.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Hi SP- Great job on the AEG! Keep them coming. .. I certainly admire your work, but your command of writing is un-paralled. I certainly wish I were capable of the commentaries that you send as dispatches and reports. .. They are enjoyable and informative. .. Later Tom .. --- Steven Perry wrote: > Several recon flights Brought back photos of the > entire front as well > as former and current enemy positions. > > http://web.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/ > > sp > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Various tests of the aircraft control surfaces and mechanical functioning would be carried out by them almost immediately after the flight. Whilst the pilots might leave it all which way, the fitters and riggers wouldn't have. Everything would have been left most likely in a 'trued' or 'resting' position for that type of aircraft. If your subject is XXX aircraft straight after Rittmeister Whoever just left it, then what Larry says is okay. More generally though, its not what you would have seen sitting on the airfield most of the time. All the Best Neil E (South of almost everyone's border) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Marshall" Subject: [WWI] Re:" Posed" Control Surfaces Larry writes... > > With ailerons, it will depend somewhat on the aircraft but it depends as much > on the pilot. With the Dr.I, there is a pulley system that runs in > opposition, pulling one aileron up while the other one drops. The position > that it will be when the pilot climbs out of the plane. If, for instance, he > shoves the stick to the right to make it easier to climb out of the cockpit > to the left wing, the left aileron will be down and the right will be up. If > he leaves the stick centered, neither surface will be up or down. Similarly, > the rudder will generally stay where the rudder pedals sit when the pilot > takes his feet off them. If he's just shoved hard left rudder to rotate the > aircraft as is typical of parking such an aircraft, the rudder may well lean > to the left. But that certainly not need be the case. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:59:25 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra Message-ID: <008f01c270da$97a130a0$772432d2@default> Hi All Yes I have this Red Star Box O' Four. The Anatra on my model gallery comes from this set. I was thinking of doing one of the (blush) ot thingies soon for a bit of a change.... The Anatra, despite its scale problems, is a reasonable build. Mine was quite a crisp mold with nary a hint of flash, and the fit was generally good. The only problem was some upper wing warping. As I didn't know about the hot water trick at that stage, I just scratch built the main struts and made one side slightly longer than the other....(not that I'd do that now mind you :-) HTH All the Best Neil E (etc etc) As far as I now > the last Frog moulds, the Anatra , the Mig 3 etc. never left England but > where used by 'RedStar' later. This was the label under which the Anatra was > available the first time on a broader basis. But only in a package > containing 4 kits, all the WWII stuff also. After that Emhar aquired the > moulds. > > Hans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:39 AM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Emhar plastics/Anatra > > > > Larry! > > Emhar Anatra isn't very bad, but it's much overscale, and a bit primitive, > > basic kit. > > If you're really interested, Luedemann makes really very good kit. > > Contact me off-list if you need it. > > Cheers! > > G. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:05:30 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure Message-ID: <00a201c270db$70e1f340$772432d2@default> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Huggins" Subject: [WWI] Re: weirdos like us WAS:richthofen figure > I still have to go with Wolff. Something about him that gives me the > willies. Could be his eyes. the fact that he is too skinny, the way he > wears his hat. i don't know, but I just wouldn't trust him. > JP Hi All; Actually old Kurt was reputed to be a bit of a joker. The hat was his lucky charm and it used to be a figure of fun around the Jasta. Wolff used to play up to the camera sometimes wearing it in funny ways. For strangeness my money's on old Rudy B. There was something quite obsessive and driven about him... Then there's Fonck...In all the photos of him I've seen he always looks like he's got a carrot stuck somewhere..... ;-) All the Best Neil E > On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 06:44 PM, Shane Weier wrote: > > > D > > > > > > > >> LOL! Agreed completely. Now the question for the new thread is: Who > >> was the > >> weirdest looking WW1 pilot? > > > > A tossup between Festner and Wolff. > > > > That well kown pic of J.11 .......... > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4696 **********************