WWI Digest 4686 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: small contests by "David C. Fletcher" 2) Re: small contests by "ibs4421" 3) Re: small contests by "Shane Weier" 4) Re: small contests by Daniel Munoz 5) Re: small contests by "Dave Burke" 6) Re: small contests by "Shane Weier" 7) Re: Painting a ply finish.. by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 8) Re: Painting a ply finish.. by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Painting a ply finish.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 10) RE: Back (& Back in the saddle) by Crawford Neil 11) RE: Geography - was painting small parts by Crawford Neil 12) Re: small contests by Larry Marshall 13) RE: Bombing tanks in WWI by Crawford Neil 14) Re: small contests by Larry Marshall 15) Future and Vallejo acrylics by "Pedro N. Soares" 16) Re: small contests by Larry Marshall 17) RE: Bombing tanks in WWI by Larry Marshall 18) Re: Future and Vallejo acrylics by Larry Marshall 19) RE: Bombing tanks in WWI by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 20) Re: Future and Vallejo acrylics by "Michael Kendix" 21) RE: Bombing tanks in WWI by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 22) RE: Bombing tanks in WWI by Crawford Neil 23) AH 305mm mortar (Skoda?) by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 24) Re: Future and Vallejo acrylics by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 25) Re: small contests by "Shane Weier" 26) RE: Bombing tanks in WWI by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 27) Re: Photo of "my" Camel by "Diego Fernetti" 28) RE: Bombing tanks in WWI by Larry Marshall 29) Re: Photo of "my" Camel by "Michael Kendix" 30) Future uses, was: Future and Vallejo acrylics by "Stuart L. Malone" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:47:32 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: <3DA103D4.6070907@mars.ark.com> Larry Marshall wrote: "I think there are about 25 members but a few people form the executive and the rest of us pretty much just show ...or not, it makes little difference :-) This isn't only limited to model clubs. 'Control Freaks' are the bane of my existence in our local airport committee and are the reason I no longer despatch for the local 'Citizens on Patrol'. My friends and I have formed sort of a mistrusted subculture that actually does what was intended - enjoy our pastimes! Don't let your blood boil and go and fondle plastic. When their ideas don't get overwhelming adoration, they'll eventually leave and common sense will have brief moment of glory before the next generation of 'control freaks' shows up... That doesn't sound encouraging does it? Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:54:13 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: <000b01c26db5$340ef9a0$afe51442@dwfjv01> > That doesn't sound encouraging does it? No, but ony too true. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:57:10 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: Dave says: > >This isn't only limited to model clubs (snip) >Don't let your blood boil and go and >fondle plastic. When their ideas don't get overwhelming adoration, >they'll eventually leave and common sense will have brief moment of >glory before the next generation of 'control freaks' shows up... Of course there's an opposite situation in many clubs - that 95% of the members only want to come along and have things presented to them on a plate, and the few members willing to get off their arses (asses y'all) and do some actual work for the club get stuck in Committee limbo until they die or leave in disgust. Having been on the committee of several clubs and the QMHE organisation for longer than I wanted because of a complete absence of volunteers to take my place I've seen this. Believe me, it gets hard to be enthusiastic about organising things when you get little but grief from people who do SFA and aren't willing to take it on themselves. Mind you - control freaks sure do exist. We have one local club which doesn't attend QMHE because they'd rather run a show their way. Where "they" is the club president Shane _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 00:06:39 -0400 From: Daniel Munoz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021007000027.03ca0e80@pop1.sympatico.ca> I don't talk much on this thread guys, Larry said it all, but I read your answers with great interest and learn a lot. Thank you all for taking the time to write. Cheers. Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:26:11 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: <002a01c26dc2$0d64fb80$7de979a5@s0024008072> Control freaks, weak egos, crybabies, and other fools are what keeps me questioning whether I'll bother doing my part for the Mobile show. And then somebody tells me that they had fun, and that changes my sour attitude. I learned a couple of things last time, and one of the most important is showing an overly disappointed contestant the door, with my foot close behind. We don't have too much of a control freak problem, as our club benifits from having only about 6 of the members doing the contest, and the rest of the members are of a good enough sort not to criticize when they haven't thrown in on the effort - but they do work hard. Get a head judge that will make the extra splits, and keep your initial category/awards packages low with some extra packages in case you want to split categories. Remember this Golden Rule about splitting categories: NEVER do it to please contestants. You split categories to make life easier on the poor sods that you have doing the judging. Ask them where they want the splits. Then make the final call. The sorts that you want there will go along with it, and the ones that you don't want will likely protest, but the following year, you probably won't have to deal with them anyways (at least I'm hoping that that happens this next year!!) Sometimes when you run a contest, you have to be a schmuck if you want to avoid playing politix. I hate politix. As Head Judge, I am assured that I have the Club President's and Contest Director's backing. What I say goes - and I am grateful to have their trust. And I don't think that I have screwed up too badly. I have made some folks very angry, and I say 'tough sh*t'. They are the ones coming to me griping and grousing instead of acting civilized, and I don't like being yelled at or drooled on. Ultimately, everything comes down to acting like an adult. When both parties do, everything is cool. When one or both sides regress, interesting and fun things happen. Write your rules clearly and stick to 'em. And have fun. I'm sure that all will be fine. DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 15:24:44 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: DB says: >Remember this Golden Rule about splitting categories: NEVER do it to please >contestants. You split categories to make life easier on the poor sods >that >you have doing the judging. Ask them where they want the splits. Then >make >the final call. Agreed entirely. I'd expand the Golden Rule to "Splits *before* the show are done to make the contestants happy, splits suring the show to make the judges happy. In our case, show day splits are only ever done because the section has become too big to cope (usually), or too diverse in subject matter (rarely) >Sometimes when you run a contest, you have to be a schmuck if you want to >avoid playing politix. I hate politix. As Head Judge, I am assured that I >have the Club President's and Contest Director's backing. This is crucial, and it's also a must that the CJ has "the courage of his/her convictions" aka "balls" >Write your rules clearly and stick to 'em. And have fun. I'm sure >that >all will be fine. amen Shane _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:48:28 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Painting a ply finish.. Message-ID: <009e01c26def$11fe8760$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Polish modeling guru, Andrzej Ziober, advices to make decals. At first spray decal paper with light yellow/tan and let it dry. Next use wet'n'dry sandpaper of the very fine grade, about 500 or 600 and sand finely few times in one direction only. Sandpaper will make some very fine lines on the smooth decal surface representing woodgrain. Then apply on it dust made from colour pencils (various browns, at least two different, one lighter and one darker than the base decal colour) and polish that with cloth till you get the proper effect. Finally secure with varnish or Future, best way here is spraying, as brushing can destroy good effect (but maybe not?). I never tried this method, but it should work. G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:00:13 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Painting a ply finish.. Message-ID: Sounds like a very good idea G. /Neil C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:10:44 +1000 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Painting a ply finish.. Message-ID: <008701c26df2$2e1c1220$1b4e2dcb@future> A very interesting way of doing. The sanding with sand paper is what makes this method stand out. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:50 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Painting a ply finish.. > Polish modeling guru, Andrzej Ziober, advices to make decals. > At first spray decal paper with light yellow/tan and let it dry. Next use > wet'n'dry sandpaper of the very fine grade, about 500 or 600 and sand finely > few times in one direction only. Sandpaper will make some very fine lines on > the smooth decal surface representing woodgrain. > Then apply on it dust made from colour pencils (various browns, at least two > different, one lighter and one darker than the base decal colour) and polish > that with cloth till you get the proper effect. > Finally secure with varnish or Future, best way here is spraying, as > brushing can destroy good effect (but maybe not?). > I never tried this method, but it should work. > G. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:12:46 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Back (& Back in the saddle) Message-ID: > Hi folks, > > Hope you all had a good week ! Anybody miss me ? Did actually, anyone around here with an opinion on anything at this time of the day is a good thing! > > I FINISHED MY ALBATROS!! Great , well done. Looking forward to pics. /Neil C. (on the other side of the North Sea) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:20:16 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Geography - was painting small parts Message-ID: the fjords of > Scanidanvia are > located on the Atlantic side, so the only time Swedes have > been dwelling > there was at the times when they occupied parts of Norway. > (Neil is of course welcome to visit the Norwegian fjords > whenever he likes, Been there, loved them, and although we do have a few minor fjords, I agree there is nothing like the Norwegian fjords. Looking forward to the next lot of photos Knut-Erik /Neil C. OT: Sopwith Baby of course! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:22:57 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: <200210070722.57763.larrym@sympatico.ca> > intended - enjoy our pastimes! Don't let your blood boil and go and > fondle plastic. This is a situation where my poor French is an asset. I can just 'not understand' and certainly 'not respond.' That suits them fine and keeps me from getting too concerned :-) > When their ideas don't get overwhelming adoration, > they'll eventually leave and common sense will have brief moment of Time will tell what will happen. These are all very nice guys. Their attitudes and views are simply not based on an outward view of the world. Such is the nature of Quebec City. That's changing here but it'll take a while. > That doesn't sound encouraging does it? Sure...you told me to enjoy myself. What could be more encouraging? -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:22:48 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Bombing tanks in WWI Message-ID: G, Can you explain to us non-tankers what Herkules was? And how did it feel after the bomb? /Neil C. > Hi! > Long time ago we discussed possibility of the aerial boming > of the tanks in > WWI. > Polish moography of the A7V tank (small, but very nice, with > lots of colour > profiles) states that "Herkules" (562) was hit by an > airplane-dropped bomb > on 31 August 1918 at Fremicourt. > Cheers! > G. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:31:00 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: <200210070731.00608.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Of course there's an opposite situation in many clubs - that 95% of the > members only want to come along and have things presented to them on a > plate, and the few members willing to get off their arses (asses y'all) and > do some actual work for the club get stuck in Committee limbo until they > die or leave in disgust. I think this is the typical club. I've spent a lot of time playing president and such in a variety of clubs. The only quibble I would make with your description is that most of the time, those non-workers still want to be involved with the decisions and activities. They just don't want to do the work. I'm sure you know of the 'WE think YOU should do.....' phenomenon that faces club executives in most places. In that way I admire these guys. They sit down and decide what they want to do and that's what happens. They aren't worried about building a club. They aren't worried about promoting their hobby. They don't care if non-modelers ever see any of their work. And they actually believe they know all the people who build model in the area. As you guys are prone to say, "No worries mate." :-) > Mind you - control freaks sure do exist. We have one local club which > doesn't attend QMHE because they'd rather run a show their way. Where > "they" is the club president You know, I may be wrong but I don't think these guys are control freaks. My impression is that they just don't understand how clubs normally function. It seems to be a function of Quebec City more than anything as the same situation exists in the RC club and the guys there are nice too. They just don't have a typical view of club function. By contrast, I belong to a kite club in Montreal and their approach is much more typical as are their goals. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:31:42 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Future and Vallejo acrylics Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30222CEBD@TUFAO> Gang, While deciding on a paint for my Gotha green I decided I'd give Vallejo airbrush colours a try. Well, the paints are ready mixed, no need to dilute, but I didn't like it for 2 reasons: a) I've got greasy fingers. The paint beaded on the surface of the wings where I handled the model. In the end I managed to get away with it but Enamel would have covered better. I also found that the finish is a bit weak and will scratch easily. b) they won't mix that well with future. When I started spraying a vallejo future mix, the paint cup started to foam up Maybe it's just me, and I've never liked acrylics. I'll stick to enamel... Pedro > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:36:41 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: <200210070736.41481.larrym@sympatico.ca> > judges happy. In our case, show day splits are only ever done because the > section has become too big to cope (usually), or too diverse in subject > matter (rarely) What constitutes 'too big' or 'too diverse'? If I were to guess, I should think that we'll end up with 50 or so armor models and they'll range from jeeps to heavy tanks. Is that too big? Too diverse? > >Sometimes when you run a contest, you have to be a schmuck if you want to > >avoid playing politix. I hate politix. As Head Judge, I am assured that > > I have the Club President's and Contest Director's backing. In my experience, you run a contest by being prepared and following through on that preparedness by running the event strictly by the rules laid out. It's the only defensible position :-) -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:39:40 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bombing tanks in WWI Message-ID: <200210070739.40894.larrym@sympatico.ca> > G, Can you explain to us non-tankers what Herkules was? Herkules was the name of one of the A7Vs. So few were made that many had individual names. > And how did it feel after the bomb? Migraine :-) -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:45:16 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Future and Vallejo acrylics Message-ID: <200210070745.16513.larrym@sympatico.ca> > a) I've got greasy fingers. The paint beaded on the surface of the wings > where I handled the model. In the end I managed to get away with it but > Enamel would have covered better. I also found that the finish is a bit > weak and will scratch easily. There is no doubt about it; acrylics don't have as hard a finish as enamels. I have found, however, that if you mix a lot of Future into them, they become quite hard. > b) they won't mix that well with future. When I started spraying a vallejo > future mix, the paint cup started to foam up Hmm...I've never used the airbrush colors but I've mixed the standard Vallejo paints with Future without any problem. Haven't seen the foaming you describe but I think this implies that the mixture is too thick and so you're getting some blow-back into the cup. > Maybe it's just me, and I've never liked acrylics. I'll stick to enamel... I never did until I discovered (was taught actually) Future and its effects on the spraying of these paints. I must say that Model Master Acryls and MisterKit acrylics both spray better than Vallejo paints do but I like the 'natural wood' color in the Vallejo line. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:49:29 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Bombing tanks in WWI Message-ID: <013901c26df7$9861ef60$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Neil! > G, Can you explain to us non-tankers what Herkules was? > And how did it feel after the bomb? I don't know much more. "Herkules" was the one of the German A7V tanks. He was damaged by this bomb so heavily, that repairing was pointless, so it was scrapped. I don't know who dropped that bomb. BTW, it's very interesting, somebody knows? It would be nice to build tank and plane which killed it. G. > > Long time ago we discussed possibility of the aerial boming > > of the tanks in > > WWI. > > Polish moography of the A7V tank (small, but very nice, with > > lots of colour > > profiles) states that "Herkules" (562) was hit by an > > airplane-dropped bomb > > on 31 August 1918 at Fremicourt. > > Cheers! > > G. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:49:52 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Future and Vallejo acrylics Message-ID: >From: "Pedro N. Soares" >a) I've got greasy fingers. The paint beaded on the surface of the >wings >where I handled the model. You simply shouldn't be eating those Colonel Sanders's products while you spray that stuff, though it's fairly non-toxic (the paint, I mean, not the fried birdie). >In the end I managed to get away with it but >Enamel would have covered better. I also found that the finish is a >bit >weak and will scratch easily. Though I like the the environmentally friendlier aspect of acrylics, there's no doubt that they are less robust than enamel paints. However, if you're not going to be handling them, like cockpit interiors, their quick-drying properties make them nice. I like to spray several thin coats, blasting them with a hair dryer after each coat. In my house, the hairdryer is in the basement, next to the air compressor. >b) they won't mix that well with future. When I started spraying a >vallejo >future mix, the paint cup started to foam up Sounds nasty! Did the colour cup start spinning and make those vicious "back of throat noises"? I put this down to a poltergeist - you need to contact the appropriate authorities; try your local priest. >Maybe it's just me, and I've never liked acrylics. I'll stick to >enamel... Enamel cleans as it sprays through the brush - acrylics do the opposite, which is why I prefer a simple single action brush that can be unblocked with a swipe of Q-Tip, rather than my fancy Thayer & Chandler that has to be broken down into its 14 components. This is why the T&C is stored in the attic and the Paasche H is in the basement with the comperessor and the hair dryer. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:50:15 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Bombing tanks in WWI Message-ID: <013f01c26df7$b3f32000$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > > And how did it feel after the bomb? > > Migraine :-) A bit shaken. G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:56:30 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Bombing tanks in WWI Message-ID: > Herkules was the name of one of the A7Vs. So few were made > that many had > individual names. > OK, so next question is, why were so few made. How many did the competitors make? Surely there was industrial capacity in Germany, they made plenty of field guns etc. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:57:50 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: AH 305mm mortar (Skoda?) Message-ID: <014701c26df8$c3376660$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Hi! Anybody knows, what this thing looked like? Photos and drawings very welcome! Some Austrian planes served as a spotters for AH 305mm mortars (Skoda?) bombing Polish town of Tarnow occupied by Russians. Fire was extremely precise - Polish citizens were cheering each shell hitting Russian quarters, untill a big splinter of one shell felt down on the marketplace, near some gossiping grandmas. It would be nice to have a model of white and red Albie B.I with the big gun for which it was a spotter. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:02:11 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Future and Vallejo acrylics Message-ID: <015501c26df9$621012a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > >From: "Pedro N. Soares" > > >a) I've got greasy fingers. The paint beaded on the surface of the >wings > >where I handled the model. Maybe you should check the soap you are using. Most soaps nowadays contain various creams or oils, in order to care skin. Your wife will know, what I mean. G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:10:42 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: small contests Message-ID: Larry >What constitutes 'too big' or 'too diverse'? If I were to guess, I should >think that we'll end up with 50 or so armor models and they'll range from >jeeps to heavy tanks. Is that too big? Too diverse? Stristly speaking the decision is made by the chief judge and contest coordinator when they think a section is unmanageable using *our* judging system. In practice, they'd be starting to wonder if the section was too big at around 24 entries and I'd be astoished if they'd let any section get to 30. Sometimes they'd split earlier - if we had say 16-18 "Civil Vehicles, Trucks and Heavy Vehicles, Modified, Australian prototype" they'd take up about 3 trestle tables and be hell for the judges to compare and get any sort of handle on - so maybe they'd be further divided into "US Origin" and "Other Origin" The only example of diversity forcing a split which I recall was one year where the class "Figures, Large scale, pre 1900" (where large scale in 81mm or larger) consisted of around 8 figures and 6 *busts* Judging busts is so different from judging full figures that it strains the judges senses severely with just one or two against the full figures, so we split. Subsequently we decided it should remain a separate preadvertised section in the figures classes and in following years it has drawn sufficient entries to be continued that way. >In my experience, you run a contest by being prepared and following > >through on that preparedness by running the event strictly by the >rules >laid out. It's the only defensible position :-) > For th every little that it's worth, the hardest things I've had to do as show committee president has been trying to defend decisions made by the judging team *to make exceptions* which were intended to sooth the feathers of some goose who'd not read the rules or thought it didn't mean him. No fun, and self defeating because then everyone else has a gripe. As I said in another post - a CJ essential quality == cojones. A strong sense of what's just or unjust will also be of assistance! Shane _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:14:13 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Bombing tanks in WWI Message-ID: <017f01c26dfb$0ce75020$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > OK, so next question is, why were so few made. How many did the > competitors make? Surely there was industrial capacity in Germany, > they made plenty of field guns etc. > /Neil C. Germans used more captured Mark IV tanks than their own designs. A7V wasn't sucessfull design... Especially it's cross country abillities were mediocre. Also in the end of the war German industrial capacity was limited in some aspects, mostly because of lack of raw materials, I think. Only 20 were built. Germans had problems with tank production, because U-Boot production had priority, also they had problems with armour supply. In addition some new types of tanks were ordered very soon after A7V, so the production of not so good A7V was finally stopped, but the new ones weren't ready before and of the war. A7V were even armed with captured Russian guns! Germany was in shortage of everything in 1918... G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:18:31 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Photo of "my" Camel Message-ID: Dame Karen wonders: >Hmmmmm--is that a three-legged dog I see?? Yes. The KUK tried to train dogs into swinging propellers and other ancillary tasks in the fliks, and Frank Linke Crawford received one of these named Fifi. He was quite satisfied with the Fifi's work (it had a talent for rigging adjustments)but since that fateful day when the little Fifi lost one paw while swinging the propeller of the Albatros, it was quite useless at the aerodrome. After the war Fifi put up a dog training school at Wien and in 1936 emigrated to the United States with other disabled animals. D. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:24:56 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bombing tanks in WWI Message-ID: <200210070824.56933.larrym@sympatico.ca> > OK, so next question is, why were so few made. How many did the > competitors make? Surely there was industrial capacity in Germany, > they made plenty of field guns etc. I'm not a tank guy and I'm sure you'll get much better answers but my impression is that tanks were just being discovered as useful in the middle of WWI. Remember that the ground war began with mass charge tactics. Even the trench idea had to develop. The A7Vs were not so much a tank in the conventional sense as they were a mobile fort. They had a crew of 18 and were designed to move, slowly, one large cannon and several machine guns to an effective field position. They had horrible ground clearance so the notion of trench skipping and such was out of the question. These were tanks that liked roads :-) The best answer to your question probably comes from looking at the chronology of tank use during WWI as it shows that tanks were a 'late' weapon. The first tank vs tank battle, for instance didn't take place until 1918. By then, the Germans already had prototypes of the LKII which was a much more practical tank with higher ground clearance, better speed, etc. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:24:58 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Photo of "my" Camel Message-ID: Man! I never knew half of the stuff that appears on this list, although this does sound a bit like somthing I read in one of Barbara Tuchman's books. Michael >From: "Diego Fernetti" >Yes. The KUK tried to train dogs into swinging propellers and other >ancillary tasks in the fliks, and Frank Linke Crawford received one of >these >named Fifi. He was quite satisfied with the Fifi's work (it had a talent >for >rigging adjustments)but since that fateful day when the little Fifi lost >one >paw while swinging the propeller of the Albatros, it was quite useless at >the aerodrome. >After the war Fifi put up a dog training school at Wien and in 1936 >emigrated to the United States with other disabled animals. >D. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 07:34:35 -0500 From: "Stuart L. Malone" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Future uses, was: Future and Vallejo acrylics Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20021007071811.00ad77e0@pop-server.kc.rr.com> Okay, I am not familiar with the advanced uses of future. I just use it to spray between paint coats and after decal application, followed by dullcoat. Therefore, I have a few questions for those more experienced than I. 1. Does the future work as a thinning agent for the airbrush or do you still have to cut the future/acrylic mix? If so, can I still use alcohol to thin or does it react badly with the future? 2. Who wins when mixing; gloss future or flat paint? I'm guessing you end up with a semi-gloss, proportional to the mix, but thought I would ask. 3. Has anyone tried future with Tamiya (my favorite) or Gunze-Sangyo acrylics? I think most use it with PollyScale (Stuart's bane), but just checking. I have clogged up my airbrush many times in the past through experimentation, so thought I would try to avoid that again by asking. Stuart L. Malone At 07:47 AM 10/7/02 -0400, you wrote: > > a) I've got greasy fingers. The paint beaded on the surface of the wings > > where I handled the model. In the end I managed to get away with it but > > Enamel would have covered better. I also found that the finish is a bit > > weak and will scratch easily. > >There is no doubt about it; acrylics don't have as hard a finish as enamels. >I have found, however, that if you mix a lot of Future into them, they become >quite hard. > > > b) they won't mix that well with future. When I started spraying a vallejo > > future mix, the paint cup started to foam up > >Hmm...I've never used the airbrush colors but I've mixed the standard Vallejo >paints with Future without any problem. Haven't seen the foaming you >describe but I think this implies that the mixture is too thick and so you're >getting some blow-back into the cup. > > > Maybe it's just me, and I've never liked acrylics. I'll stick to enamel... > >I never did until I discovered (was taught actually) Future and its >effects on >the spraying of these paints. I must say that Model Master Acryls and >MisterKit acrylics both spray better than Vallejo paints do but I like the >'natural wood' color in the Vallejo line. > >-- > >Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4686 **********************