WWI Digest 4680 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Blue Max DH4 by Crawford Neil 2) RE: Blue Max DH4 by Tom Gourdie 3) RE: brush painting basics, part deux by Crawford Neil 4) RE: Blue Max DH4 by Steven Perry 5) Osprey AH aces by Crawford Neil 6) Re: New models and photos by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Re: rere: sort of back...... by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 8) RE: Osprey AH aces by "Pedro N. Soares" 9) RE: Osprey AH aces by Crawford Neil 10) RE: Osprey AH aces by "Pedro N. Soares" 11) tinted Future by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re: Osprey AH aces by "Michael Kendix" 13) Re: brush painting basics, part deux by "Diego Fernetti" 14) Re: Osprey AH aces by Crawford Neil 15) Re: Osprey AH aces by Larry Marshall 16) Re: Osprey AH aces by "Diego Fernetti" 17) painting small parts by "Diego Fernetti" 18) Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 19) Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. by Steven Perry 20) Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 21) Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. by "Michael Kendix" 22) Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 23) Re: Epoxy Filler by "bruce simard" 24) RE: Osprey AH aces by "Lance Krieg" 25) RE: Osprey AH aces by Crawford Neil 26) RE: Osprey AH aces by Tom Gourdie 27) RE: Osprey AH aces by Crawford Neil 28) RE: Osprey AH aces by Larry Marshall 29) Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings by Steven Perry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:54:49 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Blue Max DH4 Message-ID: Don't think anyone answered this, so I'll try. The US DH4 had a Liberty engine, and the fuel tank moved from between the pilot and observer, so that they were closer together and could communicate. I think it was often equiped with Marlin machine guns and other american equipment. I think they varied a good deal, and also the US flew british built DH4's so there is probably some mixing up going on in my brain. FWIW /Neil C. (Northern conference) > > Excuse my ignorance on this but can someone enlighten me as to the > differences between a home-baked (ie UK-built) DH4 and the > American DH4? > > Thanks. > > Tom > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:33:20 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Blue Max DH4 Message-ID: <02Oct4.093242bst.118155@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> Thanks Neil I really didn't know the differences and this is a great help Tom -----Original Message----- From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] Sent: 04 October 2002 08:57 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Blue Max DH4 Don't think anyone answered this, so I'll try. The US DH4 had a Liberty engine, and the fuel tank moved from between the pilot and observer, so that they were closer together and could communicate. I think it was often equiped with Marlin machine guns and other american equipment. I think they varied a good deal, and also the US flew british built DH4's so there is probably some mixing up going on in my brain. FWIW /Neil C. (Northern conference) > > Excuse my ignorance on this but can someone enlighten me as to the > differences between a home-baked (ie UK-built) DH4 and the > American DH4? > > Thanks. > > Tom > > This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:41:28 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: brush painting basics, part deux Message-ID: Well described D, thanks, I will try and remember it next time I do any brush painting. I've noticed that my friend Hans Percy (the 200 F4 guy) always does nice brush painting of small parts, much better than mine look for some reason, I think the reason is that his father was quite a famous painter, and presumably taught the young Hans properly. I think I have the mixture right, about 30%, which is thicker than when I airbrush, then I use 60% thinner. I won't be abandoning my airbrush, thats what I know how to use, but probably I could brush paint more parts if I did it properly. /Neil C. (Northern league) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 06:06:52 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Blue Max DH4 Message-ID: <3D9D683C.1000704@tampabay.rr.com> Crawford Neil wrote: > Don't think anyone answered this, so I'll try. The US DH4 had > a Liberty engine, and the fuel tank moved from between the pilot > and observer, so that they were closer together and could > communicate. I believe the cockpits were not moved together until the post war "B" model. The Liberty plane's U/C struts were moved forward and I believe extended somewhat. There was much alteration of minor details to accomodate standard US hardware items. I have a list of mods that were made, but will have to dig them out after work. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:23:02 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: I was rather amused yesterday reading Windsock. Ray was rather slashing about the latest Osprey book. Seems the colour profiles are copied from the FMP AH aces book, was it this one where the colour profiles are missing in the reprint, now we know where they went! Amusing thing was that Ray was involved in the original profiles (either he drew them or tidied them up for publication, couldn't work out which), and one of his more unsuccessful corrections (a sort of white patch that went wrong) has been copied straight into the Osprey book as part of the colour scheme! Does anyone have both so they can compare? /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:42:13 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: New models and photos Message-ID: <005701c26b92$b4635080$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Excellent set of pictures, Knut. Now how do I do to make the Classic Plane vac to look like these pictures? That will hurt! Greg! Very well done! The fokker has seen many battles and looks like a victor from each one! Nice model, we'll be looking forward for the next one (would you dare to paint 5 colour camo?). D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Wright" > More web content for your enjoyment. > > - Knut Erik Hagen sends in more photos, this time of the DH9 > - Added a new modeler, Greg Balzer (nice 1/48 Dr-I) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:41:20 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: rere: sort of back...... Message-ID: <006d01c26b92$942efda0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Hi! > Africa I think. One of the Zepps went from Germany thorough Bulgaria with > supply for besieged German forces in east/central Africa IIRC. L-59? > G. > Absolutely correct! November 1917. Robinson's Zeppelin in Combat describes a > scene one evening around sunset, crossing the Egyptian/Sudan border near an > oasis when the crew saw a mass takeoff of flamingos. Since every airbrush > painter has to do at least cheesy flamingo picture in his carreer (it's the > law), I figured I might as well make it OT. > RK Semi-fictional novel about these events, entitled "L-59" (by Polish pilot-officer of the 1920 war, Janusz Meissner more known for his many books than for being air ace) was very popular in Poland some decades ago. I'm not sure it was written before WWII, but probably was. BTW, I imagined L-59 picture from above, over African wasteland with group of elephants or giraffes, like in many wildlife films you can see balloon over Africa. But you can't show setting sun this way... Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:25:02 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3021ED884@TUFAO> > Does anyone have both so they can compare? > /Neil C. Hi Neil. I do, but at home :-). If no one will come up forward I can do it. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:46:44 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: Of course it would help if you knew which profile, that I have forgotten! /Neil C. > > Hi Neil. > > I do, but at home :-). If no one will come up forward I can do it. > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:54:16 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3021ED8FD@TUFAO> Will have to look for profiles with a sort of white patch that went wrong, I guess... P. > -----Original Message----- > From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] > Sent: sexta-feira, 4 de Outubro de 2002 11:49 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: Osprey AH aces > > > > Of course it would help if you knew which profile, > that I have forgotten! > /Neil C. > > > > > > Hi Neil. > > > > I do, but at home :-). If no one will come up forward I can do it. > > > > Pedro > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:08:57 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: tinted Future Message-ID: <00c601c26b96$6f28b380$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Hola Amigo! > What did you use to tint it? > Warren Hey Pard! :-) I like the colour of a certain watercolour pencil I have. I took a hobby knife and prepared a portion of pencil powder over a small piece of paper. I added this powder to the cup of Future liquid I was going to use on the model, and added little by little until I got the opacity I wanted. The pencil powder diluted in the liquid! IIRC I added some drops of water to the mix to thin it a little. That's all. I gave coats of this mix over the fuselage until it acquired the dark tint it has. HTH D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 11:13:57 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: Neil: I have both but of course, they're at home and I'm at work. Nevertheless, I will mention one issue, and that is the Osprey A-H book is one of the less interesting WW1 "Aces" publications. Not because of the subject matter - indeed, I think it's a most interesting area but felt somewhat short-changed by the content. For example, the colour profiles contain some aeroplanes belonging to Italian Aces that appeared in prior Osprey publications: for example the Nieuport Aces Osprey book. Nothing wrong with showing Italian Aces but why repeat and in a publication that is supposed to contain A-H pilots? Just filling space, apparently, with material they had shown previously. Not what I would term, an auspicious moment, for Osprey. Michael >From: Crawford Neil > >I was rather amused yesterday reading Windsock. Ray was >rather slashing about the latest Osprey book. Seems >the colour profiles are copied from the FMP AH aces >book, was it this one where the colour profiles are missing in the >reprint, now we know where they went! Amusing thing was that Ray >was involved in the original profiles (either he drew them or tidied >them up for publication, couldn't work out which), and one of >his more unsuccessful corrections (a sort of white patch that went >wrong) has been copied straight into the Osprey book as part of >the colour scheme! >Does anyone have both so they can compare? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:16:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: brush painting basics, part deux Message-ID: <00d201c26b97$8ccd6560$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Warren wrote: > Here's a tip I picked up painting full-sized things like houses, and perhaps > it is adaptable to modeling. I learned that if you take a strip of masking > tape, and wrap it tightly around the bristles just below the ferrule, that > paint is much less likely to "creep up" towards the base of the bristles. > Perhaps you could cut a thin strip of tape for a brush used in modeling. > when it is time to clean the brush, you just pull it off, carefully of > course, and you have no paint near the base of the bristles. Excellent advise!!! In this list I learn useful things every day. I'll do that Warren, it will extend the life of the darned thingies. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:18:15 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: Yes Ray was complaining about that too. He was unusually critical about this book. /Neil C (ca.1000km north of the former AH empire) > Neil: > > I have both but of course, they're at home and I'm at work. > Nevertheless, I > will mention one issue, and that is the Osprey A-H book is > one of the less > interesting WW1 "Aces" publications. Not because of the > subject matter - > indeed, I think it's a most interesting area but felt somewhat > short-changed by the content. For example, the colour > profiles contain some > aeroplanes belonging to Italian Aces that appeared in prior Osprey > publications: for example the Nieuport Aces Osprey book. > Nothing wrong with > showing Italian Aces but why repeat and in a publication that > is supposed to > contain A-H pilots? Just filling space, apparently, with > material they had > shown previously. Not what I would term, an auspicious > moment, for Osprey. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:21:07 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: <200210040721.07979.larrym@sympatico.ca> > the colour profiles are copied from the FMP AH aces > book, was it this one where the colour profiles are missing in the > reprint, now we know where they went! Amusing thing was that Ray No, they removed them from the AH Army Aircraft book. Ray's right about the copy though. I have both books. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:26:45 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: <00f801c26b98$ebc8c680$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > /Neil C (ca.1000km north of the former AH empire) And I thought that you were *linked* to that, Crawford! ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:32:19 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: painting small parts Message-ID: <011201c26b99$b2d58060$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil the fjord dweller wrote (well I know you don't live in a fjord, but I can't think on anything better now!) > I've noticed that my friend Hans Percy > (the 200 F4 guy) always does nice brush painting of small parts, > much better than mine look for some reason, What's the trouble you're having with those small parts? Hope I can help. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:51:40 +1000 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. Message-ID: <00f201c26b9c$673238d0$1b4e2dcb@future> It was midnight. Not a person stirred. I was the only one up. I was doing some system work on my PC so it had to chug along without me touching it, but I needed to be there to monitor what it was doing. Yes I was hunting a virus. Which I didnt have. So with nothing else to do I got a kit out and did some building. Shock. horror. Me touch plastic. Well being so late and having sore eyes I found that working in 1/72nd a real pain in the eyes. I had to use a magnifing glass to see what I was doing. Age is jumping ahead of me. I had my eyes checked 4 weeks ago and was told that soon I would need bifocals. Age is leaping ahead of me. So what to do? Well i use a magnifing glass now and maybe those 1/48th scale kits I have will be easier to build. I was working on an Eduard Sea Eagle. I used clothes pegs to hold the 2 wing halfs togther as the glued set. Next morning what do I find. 4 nice indents in my bottom wing surface. Now this isnt nice to wake up to. Cheers Ross maybe I should build 1 to 1 scale. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:27:14 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. Message-ID: <3D9D8922.5020202@tampabay.rr.com> > I was working on an Eduard Sea Eagle. I used clothes pegs to hold the 2 wing > halfs togther as the glued set. Next morning what do I find. 4 nice indents > in my bottom wing surface. Now this isnt nice to wake up to. Ross: If you place the part dented side up under a lamp and leave it sit a few hours, it's likely the styrene will return to it's molded shape. Failing that, give me a holler, I have an undamaged D.VIII wing left over from BvB's rampage and I'll be happy to send it to you. And get yourself an optivisor, you'll find plastic of all scales in your hands more often. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:41:14 +1000 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. Message-ID: <00fc01c26ba3$538372c0$1b4e2dcb@future> Hi Steven. I will give that a go with the lamp. Thanks for the tip. I will contact you off list if I need to take you up on your off of the wing later. See if I can melt my wing first. ;-) The Optivisor is something I am thinking about getting after using the magnifing glass on the stand. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. > > > I was working on an Eduard Sea Eagle. I used clothes pegs to hold the 2 wing > > halfs togther as the glued set. Next morning what do I find. 4 nice indents > > in my bottom wing surface. Now this isnt nice to wake up to. > > > Ross: > If you place the part dented side up under a lamp and leave it sit a few > hours, it's likely the styrene will return to it's molded shape. Failing > that, give me a holler, I have an undamaged D.VIII wing left over from > BvB's rampage and I'll be happy to send it to you. > > And get yourself an optivisor, you'll find plastic of all scales in your > hands more often. > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:55:46 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. Message-ID: Ross: Just go easy with the lamp. I melted a Yak-7 wing assembly attempting to bend it to fit the fuselage. It completely disfigured the part rendering it useless except as an object lesson in carelessness. Of course, I put it about 4 inches under a 100 watt lamp. Don't leave it too long. Michael >From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" >Hi Steven. I will give that a go with the lamp. Thanks for the tip. >I will contact you off list if I need to take you up on your off of the >wing >later. See if I can melt my wing first. ;-) > >The Optivisor is something I am thinking about getting after using the >magnifing glass on the stand. > >Cheers > >Ross > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Perry" >To: "Multiple recipients of list" >Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:28 PM >Subject: [WWI] Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. > > > > > > > I was working on an Eduard Sea Eagle. I used clothes pegs to hold the >2 >wing > > > halfs togther as the glued set. Next morning what do I find. 4 nice >indents > > > in my bottom wing surface. Now this isnt nice to wake up to. > > > > > > Ross: > > If you place the part dented side up under a lamp and leave it sit a few > > hours, it's likely the styrene will return to it's molded shape. Failing > > that, give me a holler, I have an undamaged D.VIII wing left over from > > BvB's rampage and I'll be happy to send it to you. > > > > And get yourself an optivisor, you'll find plastic of all scales in your > > hands more often. > > sp > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:05:47 +1000 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. Message-ID: <010801c26ba6$c1d6faf0$1b4e2dcb@future> Oh no.. I can see I am going to have gooee plastic on a light globe.. ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kendix" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. > Ross: > > Just go easy with the lamp. I melted a Yak-7 wing assembly attempting to > bend it to fit the fuselage. It completely disfigured the part rendering it > useless except as an object lesson in carelessness. Of course, I put it > about 4 inches under a 100 watt lamp. Don't leave it too long. > > Michael > > >From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" > >Hi Steven. I will give that a go with the lamp. Thanks for the tip. > > > >I will contact you off list if I need to take you up on your off of the > >wing > >later. See if I can melt my wing first. ;-) > > > >The Optivisor is something I am thinking about getting after using the > >magnifing glass on the stand. > > > >Cheers > > > >Ross > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Steven Perry" > >To: "Multiple recipients of list" > >Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:28 PM > >Subject: [WWI] Re: Working small parts i.e. 1/72 nd scale late at night.. > > > > > > > > > > > I was working on an Eduard Sea Eagle. I used clothes pegs to hold the > >2 > >wing > > > > halfs togther as the glued set. Next morning what do I find. 4 nice > >indents > > > > in my bottom wing surface. Now this isnt nice to wake up to. > > > > > > > > > Ross: > > > If you place the part dented side up under a lamp and leave it sit a few > > > hours, it's likely the styrene will return to it's molded shape. Failing > > > that, give me a holler, I have an undamaged D.VIII wing left over from > > > BvB's rampage and I'll be happy to send it to you. > > > > > > And get yourself an optivisor, you'll find plastic of all scales in your > > > hands more often. > > > sp > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:49:56 -0400 From: "bruce simard" To: Subject: Re: Epoxy Filler Message-ID: <000d01c26bac$ed40f780$a83aaf3f@22by501> Nigel wrote: > Here in the UK I see that my local Halfords sells an aluminium > impregnated 2-part epoxy. Is this the same, similar, or what? Any > ideas? Nigel, The product I use is called Metalset A4. This is produced in the States by the Smooth-on company of Gillette, New Jersey. I've used this for years, including on 1 to 1 scale aircraft. I don't know if this is produced outside the US or not, or what the brand names might be called. But I've had extremely good luck with this after accomplishing the learning curve. The worse part was learning the patience to leave it alone after blending until full cure. If I can be of any further help, just ask........Bruce. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:50:19 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: "Will have to look for profiles with a sort of white patch that went wrong..." I believe the culprit is a Lohner flying boat, one of Banfield's planes. Ray seems to be a little more free with his criticism, which will make the reviews in Windsock of some value, IMHO. Up until now, he has been so gentle that it was impossible to use his review as a criterion for purchasing an item. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:55:09 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: Yes, very true, though it has been possible to read between the lines, but it's much easier this way! /Neil C. > Ray seems to be a little more free with his criticism, which will make > the reviews in Windsock of some value, IMHO. Up until now, he has been > so gentle that it was impossible to use his review as a criterion for > purchasing an item. > > Lance > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:28:53 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: <02Oct4.152817bst.118112@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> Is this the book written by one Christopher Chant? I have some distant recollections of various 'coffee table' books which he authored - not exclusively OT books - and I have to say that my recollection is one of inaccurate text and glaring errors. Anyone able to say what Christopher Chant's background is? I know that he wrote a book on the early pioneers of flight which I have seen in a local bookshop. It looks interesting and its sleeve etc is attractive but I have my doubts about its value - even moreso now. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] Sent: 04 October 2002 14:57 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Osprey AH aces Yes, very true, though it has been possible to read between the lines, but it's much easier this way! /Neil C. > Ray seems to be a little more free with his criticism, which will make > the reviews in Windsock of some value, IMHO. Up until now, he has been > so gentle that it was impossible to use his review as a criterion for > purchasing an item. > > Lance > This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:33:30 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: Ray was polite enough about Christopher Chant (yes it is by him), called him competent IIRC. His big complaint was with the profiles and selection of profiles being the same as the FMP book, or the same as previous Osprey books. The person who really should be embarrassed is the profile artist, who is that? /Neil > Is this the book written by one Christopher Chant? > > I have some distant recollections of various 'coffee table' > books which he > authored - not exclusively OT books - and I have to say that > my recollection > is one of inaccurate text and glaring errors. > > Anyone able to say what Christopher Chant's background is? I > know that he > wrote a book on the early pioneers of flight which I have > seen in a local > bookshop. It looks interesting and its sleeve etc is > attractive but I have > my doubts about its value - even moreso now. > > Tom > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:10:57 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Osprey AH aces Message-ID: <200210041110.57304.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Friday 04 October 2002 10:35 am, you wrote: > Ray was polite enough about Christopher Chant (yes it is by him), > called him competent IIRC. His big complaint was with the profiles > and selection of profiles being the same as the FMP book, or > the same as previous Osprey books. The person who really should > be embarrassed is the profile artist, who is that? I often wonder about this. Maybe Bob can provide a perspective. Obviously, f you're going to do profiles of A-H Aces you're going to do paint schemes that have been done before and unless there's been large-scale revelations since those other profiles have been done, a new set is going o be similar to those previously published. And so i goes in this case. In fact, as a consumer, I WANT them to be similar. For instance, overall the colors are darker in the Osprey book than they are in the FMP book. I suspect this is due to the printing more than the colors the artist used for the profiles. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 11:12:50 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings Message-ID: <3D9DAFF2.9020204@tampabay.rr.com> > This got me thinking. I'm really not making miniatures. I'm making > illusions, 3D art in other words. Accuracy in shape, proportion, detail, > color and markings are all important to the illusion, but are not ends > in themselves. The finished model is. >> > > "Photorealistic sculpture". The historians supply the meat and bread and we > make the sandwich. > RK Much better said and more succinctly put. sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4680 **********************