WWI Digest 4676 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings by "David Watts" 2) Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings by "David Watts" 3) Re: Double Posts by "NEIL EDDY" 4) Re: Double Posts by "NEIL EDDY" 5) Ludemans arrived! by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 6) AEG J.I by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 7) New updates by "Matt Bittner" 8) RE: New updates by Crawford Neil 9) Re: New models on site by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Re: Krakow Museum website by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Krakow Museum website by Crawford Neil 12) Re: Finished the CSM Lohner B.II by Larry Marshall 13) Brushing Ceramcoat/Future by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 14) Brushin Ceramcoat / Future (again) by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 15) Re: Finished the CSM Lohner B.II by "Diego Fernetti" 16) brushed primer coats by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Latest Windsock (18.5 Sep/Oct 2002) by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 18) Re: Brushing Ceramcoat/Future by Larry Marshall 19) Quick Pfalz Question by "NEIL EDDY" 20) Re: Quick Pfalz Question by "Diego Fernetti" 21) Re: Quick Pfalz Question by "NEIL EDDY" 22) Re: New updates by Allan Wright 23) Re: Brush Painting Basics by "John J Ernst" 24) Re: Brush Painting Basics by Crawford Neil 25) Re: Brush Painting Basics by "Diego Fernetti" 26) Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings by "Hans Trauner" 27) 1 by 11 28) Re: New models on site by Steve Cox 29) Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings by EPMyles@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:48:45 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: Subject: Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings Message-ID: Hi all, Without wanting to offend any involved parties, newcomer Achim Engels has been conducting some very energetic experiments trying to recreate how the Fokker Dr.I was painted and finished, by actually painting and finishing some framed pieces of linen. I applaud his enthusiasm and it very well may lead to some insights, but the ice gets thin here and some folks have some very particular ideas on the subject and fundamentally question the experiment. You can see this discussion under the heading of Aircraft then go to the thread Fokker Streaky Camouflage Fabric - Duration Test. As a basis of the colors used in Achim's experiment he used the information contained in The "Barfoot-Saunt" report on Fok F.I 103/17, (which a second thread has been started). This is where things heated up. Dan-San posted the report was bogus if not in serious question with regards to its authenticity and validity. You can read for yourself from there forward. I sent Achim some photos to post which I had taken recently at the Imperial War Museum of fabric reported to be from Dr.I 144/17 which doesn't appear to show any light blue patches in the brownish green. I also posted the paints listed on the original Fokker Dr.I blueprints from each wing drawing; top, middle and bottom. It's a little too hot for my tastes and it's unfortunate that is has escalated to the level it has. Best, Dave W. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Steven Perry Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings Bob Pearson wrote: > What's going om there? I can't be bothered to search through all the posts. > . I much prefer a mailing list than a bulletin board. > > Bob Well it is easier to find the first post of a thread there, but the rest is more cunbersome than the List format. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:56:03 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: Subject: Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings Message-ID: Hi, I think it's a case of when you get as riled up as they have you need to invoke the 24-hour rule of waiting 24 hours before posting a rebuttal. That way it will be less emotional and better thought out. It is unfortunate as Achim's contributions to the Aerodrome were of value for sure, and he is a most energetic Fokker enthusiast. If you didn't agree with his methods, simply state so in a reasonable manner and he'll respect that, (although he may question it). Best, Dave W. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Ross & Wendy Moorhouse Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings I thought that as a hobby this was all about having a good time and building kits. But when I read that this sort of thing is going on, and I will go and see what is being said at the Drome, it sure does put a dampner on the hobby and does nothing to help it grow. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "NEIL EDDY" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings > Hi Bob; > > What we've got is a huge blue between Achim Engels and Dan San Abbott and > others about Fokker streaky finishes, life, the universe and everything. It > has descended to recriminations and threats of legal action (All of which > may or may not be valid). > > After reading it, it makes me glad that there is a certain amount of healthy > scepticism on this List about such topics. It also drives home a few simple > truths about the epistemological limitations of defining WW1 colours as > well. > http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=aircraft&action=display&num > =1029004977&start=0&showall=true > > The first link is the original debate - its about five pages long. If > nothing else its an interesting debate. > > http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=aircraft&action=display&num > =1033135680 > > And the second link is its aftermath. > > Dicta Ira Rules! > > All the Best > > Neil E > (Souths) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Pearson" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:03 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings > > > > What's going om there? I can't be bothered to search through all the > posts. > > . I much prefer a mailing list than a bulletin board. > > > > Bob > > > > ---------- > > >From: "NEIL EDDY" > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Subject: [WWI] Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings > > >Date: Tue, Oct 1, 2002, 8:43 pm > > > > > > > > Given the recent kerfuffle going on at The Aerodrome is it any wonder? > Talk > > > about the Battle of the Titans! I don't know whether to laugh or cry... > > > > > > All the Best > > > > > > Neil > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:20:23 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Double Posts Message-ID: <008601c269d3$6945e740$795132d2@default> Thats alright then...as long as you aren't sniffing lacquer thinners! All the Best Neil E (Rabbitos) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Double Posts > ROFLMAO... It must be the super glue again.. > > Cheers > > Ross > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NEIL EDDY" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:22 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Double Posts > > > > LOL! You are a very silly person! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:03 PM > > Subject: [WWI] Re: Double Posts > > > > > > > It may of been of been your ISP mail sever doing a double up as i only > got > > > single messages this morning. > > > > > > It may of been of been your ISP mail sever doing a double up as i only > got > > > single messages this morning. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > RossRoss > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "NEIL EDDY" > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:53 PM > > > Subject: [WWI] Double Posts > > > > > > > > > > Hi All; > > > > > > > > Did anyone receive double posts of everything this morning? When I > > checked > > > > my e-mail this morning, all the List posts came in twice. Whilst I > look > > > > forward to the List posts as much as everyone else this seems a little > > > > excessive. > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas why this happened? > > > > > > > > All the Best > > > > > > > > Neil E > > > > (Southern Front) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:22:49 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Double Posts Message-ID: <008e01c269d3$c085b800$795132d2@default> Ross; My server must be playing up - I still haven't got my post re "The Aerodrome" with the links attached yet Listees (such as your good self) are replying to it.... All the best Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Double Posts > ROFLMAO... It must be the super glue again.. > > Cheers > > Ross > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NEIL EDDY" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:22 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Double Posts > > > > LOL! You are a very silly person! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:03 PM > > Subject: [WWI] Re: Double Posts > > > > > > > It may of been of been your ISP mail sever doing a double up as i only > got > > > single messages this morning. > > > > > > It may of been of been your ISP mail sever doing a double up as i only > got > > > single messages this morning. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > RossRoss > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "NEIL EDDY" > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:53 PM > > > Subject: [WWI] Double Posts > > > > > > > > > > Hi All; > > > > > > > > Did anyone receive double posts of everything this morning? When I > > checked > > > > my e-mail this morning, all the List posts came in twice. Whilst I > look > > > > forward to the List posts as much as everyone else this seems a little > > > > excessive. > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas why this happened? > > > > > > > > All the Best > > > > > > > > Neil E > > > > (Southern Front) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:10:10 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Ludemans arrived! Message-ID: <00de01c269e2$bfb60e20$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Hi! My records, both in my brain and on HDD failed. I've got new Luedemanns today, but I can't remember for whom I've ordered SVA 10??? I think that for nobody, I think it was a mistake. But, maybe I promised it to someone? If not, this kit is for sale. It's 1/72, resin, average Luedemann quality, no decals and usual Ludemann's only basic drawings instead of instructions. I've got also some others: DFW B.I - excellent one, really great kit, it's for one of the Czech friends, but I must buy one for me too :-) FBA Leveque - very nice small French flying boat, rotary powered, used by Austrians in 1914-15 (it's for another list member, with a Oeffag H) AEG J.I - for myself - very good kit, one of the Panzer airplanes. If anybody has ANY painting scheme, please, contact me! Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:12:52 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: AEG J.I Message-ID: <00e401c269e3$21241260$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Hi I've just got Luedemann's AEG J.I kit (resin 1/72). Very good, with excellent wings and lovely fuselage. I'm looking for painting and markings (didn't somebody promise me this?) TIA! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 05:23:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New updates Message-ID: First, Knut Erik sends in another of his Le Bourget images, this time of the Caudron G.4. Next, Alberto sent in images of his Nieuport 27 that was showcased on IM last month. Absolutely stunning! Finally, let it be known that I'm taking the whole month of October off from updating the site. I have a bunch of models that are extremely close to being finished, and I would like the time to do so. I'll also be taking time off from my IPMS site (not that that gets updated that frequently) and once our Regional is over I won't be updating my AMPS site. Now the VVS site, on the other hand, is another matter entirely - unfortunately. I truly wish I could take off from all sites for a month, but being basically the only one maintaining the VVS site, that would be difficult. Oh well. Send me stuff in November, and I'll get it up. Otherwise definitely keep sending to Al, but I'm not sure if Mark Miller is to the point of accepting updates yet. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:30:33 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New updates Message-ID: Thanks Matt, Take a good break. I've just been reading your Dr1 article on IM, it's great. Lovely models and an interesting read. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:11:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: New models on site Message-ID: <013e01c26a04$7d779e80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> All great submissions. thanks for sharing, friends. I liked specially Steve's ambulance. How did you painted the tarpaulin? Before of after placing it over the frames? Excellent work all! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:16:19 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Krakow Museum website Message-ID: <014801c26a05$21be5e20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Grzes! The site looks far better than the last itme I visited it. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" > http://www.muz-lotnictwa.krakow.pl/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:19:07 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Krakow Museum website Message-ID: Only wish I could get down there, G has found some interesting plants in a pond too! /Neil C. (not nuts) > Thanks Grzes! > The site looks far better than the last itme I visited it. > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:20:05 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Finished the CSM Lohner B.II Message-ID: <200210020720.05946.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Can this be hand brushed, or is it an "airbrush only" thing? Warren, I'm not a brush-painter as I feel that airbrush finishes are much nicer. But when these guys got me mixing Future with acrylics I did some experiments with brushpainting because the Future caused the paint to level much better, almost as good as enamels. The experiments with brushpainting revealed two things. First, the leveling effects were very advantageous when brushpainting and also that the Future made the finish harder and less likely to come off of bare plastic. In short, brushpainting acrylics is difficult at best but adding Future really improves things. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:26:36 -0500 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'WWI Modeling Digest'" Subject: Brushing Ceramcoat/Future Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC97D5@ANO-EXS02> Hi Warren, The SPAD in my gallery on the WWI page is painted with Ceramcoat/Future mix, then overcoated with Future. I think it turned out pretty well, but I'm less picky than some other listees. HTH, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:28:41 -0500 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'WWI Modeling Digest'" Subject: Brushin Ceramcoat / Future (again) Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC97D6@ANO-EXS02> OOPS! I should have said it was brush painted. Sorry about that. kz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:31:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Finished the CSM Lohner B.II Message-ID: <01bb01c26a07$3130eb00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Warren asked about future mixes: > Can this be hand brushed, or is it an "airbrush only" thing? I handbrushed tinted future over the wooden -handpainted- fuselage of my Albatros D.II and it worked great, no brushmarks at all. But it takes some hours to dry and you should keep the freshly painted model inside a dust free container. Then, it dries as smooth and hard as glass. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:34:01 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: brushed primer coats Message-ID: <01c301c26a07$9af72a40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve! > A sprayed primer would probably work best, but that sort of > eliminates the advantages of hand brushing if you are tryig to avoid the > air brush. I handbrush a thin coat of white (or light gray, but that darn tinlet dried recently) matt enamel and it works OK as a primer, as a base coat and also to detect surface flaws. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:38:02 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Latest Windsock (18.5 Sep/Oct 2002) Message-ID: <20021002113802.54851343C7@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, The latest Windsock arrived today, I am surprised to see how many familiar names from the list that have contributed to the magazine. Here are some highlights from an issue with plenty of Nieuport material: List of datafiles to be released in 2003 starting with Nieuport 29, LVG C.I, Lohner L, Albatross D.I/D.II, American DH4, Aviatik B series. Grosz doing the German titles, Jon Guttman the DH4 and Gregory Alegi the rest. Alberto Casirati shows his Nieuport 27 model and continues his series on Italian colours markings with an article on the Nie 17 and 27. Colour profiles by R N Pearson and RLR. One of the most negative reviews I have ever seen by RLR on Cerberus Publ. reprint of Classic WW! Aircraft Profiles. Lance Kriegs Felixstowe build in the finishing stages - more than impressive. Blackburn`s Caliban torpedobomber described by Harry Woodman, Blackburn must have produced some of the most ugly aircraft made outside of France. Dave Roberts discuss the streaky Fokker camouflage. Fokker triplane models by Australian modellers and profiles on cover. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:49:00 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Brushing Ceramcoat/Future Message-ID: <200210020749.00765.larrym@sympatico.ca> > The SPAD in my gallery on the WWI page is painted with Ceramcoat/Future > mix, then overcoated with Future. I think it turned out pretty well, but > I'm less picky than some other listees. Ken, if my brush-painting looked that good I'd brush-paint more often. Mine looks just a wee bit less smooth than yours....well, a lot less smooth. I did find that adding Future helped a lot though. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:01:57 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Quick Pfalz Question Message-ID: <003d01c26a0b$821fc5a0$85fc32d2@default> Hi All; I'm just doing the interior of my Pfalz D-IIIa, and have a quick question for the List. Were the seatbelts leather or canvas? All the Best Neil E (180* from North) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:11:10 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Quick Pfalz Question Message-ID: <020b01c26a0c$cc092b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil from the southern seas asked: > I'm just doing the interior of my Pfalz D-IIIa, and have a quick question > for the List. Were the seatbelts leather or canvas? Probably canvas. There's a wide range of colours, though, from buff, to pea green and orange/brown. Some had a centreline of a different colour. HTH D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:19:08 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Quick Pfalz Question Message-ID: <005a01c26a0d$e9248900$85fc32d2@default> Thanks Diego; That's all I needed...now....back to work! All the Best Neil E (Hmm South Seas....) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Quick Pfalz Question > Neil from the southern seas asked: > > I'm just doing the interior of my Pfalz D-IIIa, and have a quick question > > for the List. Were the seatbelts leather or canvas? > > Probably canvas. There's a wide range of colours, though, from buff, to pea > green and orange/brown. Some had a centreline of a different colour. > HTH > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:45:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New updates Message-ID: <200210021245.IAA58790@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Just send it all to me for October and heck until further notice. Matt has earned a 'break' from webmastering. Let's see what sort of modeling he can do! Al > > First, Knut Erik sends in another of his Le Bourget images, this > time of the Caudron G.4. > > Next, Alberto sent in images of his Nieuport 27 that was > showcased on IM last month. Absolutely stunning! > > Finally, let it be known that I'm taking the whole month of > October off from updating the site. I have a bunch of models > that are extremely close to being finished, and I would like the > time to do so. I'll also be taking time off from my IPMS site > (not that that gets updated that frequently) and once our > Regional is over I won't be updating my AMPS site. Now the VVS > site, on the other hand, is another matter entirely - > unfortunately. I truly wish I could take off from all sites for > a month, but being basically the only one maintaining the VVS > site, that would be difficult. Oh well. > > Send me stuff in November, and I'll get it up. Otherwise > definitely keep sending to Al, but I'm not sure if Mark Miller is > to the point of accepting updates yet. > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Modeling Page > Assistant Editor > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:28:03 -0400 From: "John J Ernst" To: "WWI Digest" Subject: Re: Brush Painting Basics Message-ID: Sorry for such a basic question, but after a couple of 1/72 OT models, I really need to learn the proper methods for brush painting. Is there anywhere on the internet that has some basic techniques written down - or some other source (or sources) that someone could recommend? Thanks for your help. john ernst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:27:33 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Brush Painting Basics Message-ID: As I understand it thin paint, multiple coats with a bit of light sanding in between, a fairly wide brush and paint on smoothly to minimize bubbles. I guess if you really do all this you'll get as good a finish as with an airbrush, but it's more work. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:41:15 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Brush Painting Basics Message-ID: <00fb01c26a2a$25f6d7e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil the nut seeker wrote: > As I understand it thin paint, multiple coats with a bit of light sanding > in between, a fairly wide brush and paint on smoothly to minimize bubbles. Master painter Ken "Gott mit Uns" Schmitt advises this as well. He also applies the Wet-Edge method, wich he explains much better than me -and to be sincere applies on his models much much better than me!- . Suffice to say that's easy, leave no brush marks and makes painting easier regardless of the width of the paintbrush. > I guess if you really do all this you'll get as good a finish as > with an airbrush, but it's more work. I multicolored coats, there's less work on masking and cleaning the equipment. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:34:16 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings Message-ID: <006f01c26a31$8caa2da0$53ac72d4@FRITZweb> That's why I love this list. Respect, humour and Dicta Ira rules. Hans P.S. And the irony of this clash of the titanes is: Both did not ask a expert in paint technology or -history. 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Going to take it to the model club tonight regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Diego Fernetti" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:10:35 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: New models on site > > All great submissions. thanks for sharing, friends. > I liked specially Steve's ambulance. How did you painted the tarpaulin? > Before of after placing it over the frames? > Excellent work all! > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:30:39 EDT From: EPMyles@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aerodrome was: Re: re: dirty dealings Message-ID: <15f.14e4d86c.2acc873f@aol.com> --part1_15f.14e4d86c.2acc873f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What we've got is a huge blue ..... about Fokker streaky finishes, life, the universe > and everything. It has descended to recriminations and threats of legal action (All > of which may or may not be valid). Wow, and I thought archeologists had large and frail egos during their debates.......... it is pretty saddening to see what should just be an interesting debate and experiment turn into this --part1_15f.14e4d86c.2acc873f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> What we've got is a huge blue ..... about Fokker streaky finishes, life, the universe > and everything.  It  has descended to recriminations and threats of legal action (All > of which may or may not be valid).

Wow, and I thought archeologists had large and frail egos during their debates..........

it is pretty saddening to see what should just be an interesting debate and experiment turn into this

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