WWI Digest 4671 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Knut Erik is embarassed by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 2) The Small Shop by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 3) RE: The Small Shop by "Harris, Mack" 4) Re: The Small Shop by SSH 5) Re: The Small Shop by "Diego Fernetti" 6) RE: The Small Shop by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 7) Re: Spad 17 wasRE: Re: Spad XV by "Diego Fernetti" 8) =?GB2312?B?zOzPwr6509DV4sO0uda1xMrCLi4u1ebJ2bz7IQ==?= by "maocheng" 9) Re: WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. by Dennis Ugulano 10) Re: A Slow day Gotha Question by Michael Fletcher 11) Re: A Slow day Gotha Question by Michael Fletcher 12) Re: Spad 17 wasRE: Re: Spad XV by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 13) Re: A Slow day Gotha Question by "Mark Shannon" 14) Completely ot, but by Dave Fleming 15) Re: Early aviation bullsh.. by "D. Charles" 16) Re: The Small Shop by "Michael Kendix" 17) Re: the Small Shop by Morg17ms@aol.com 18) =?GB2312?B?wLTQxcrV1MQs1eLKx7vYuLQh?= by "lizi" 19) =?big5?Q?=B6W=A7C=BB=F9=AD=BB=B4=E4=A1=F6=A1=F7=A4=A4=B0=EA=AA=F8=B3~=B9q=B8=DC?= by smrobox@yahoo.com 20) 150m网页空间+顶级域名+50m电子邮局=350元/年 by "厦门顶点数据" <99888@163.com> 21) Re: Completely ot, but by "Ross Moorhouse" 22) Fighting Triplanes and 'Flu by "NEIL EDDY" 23) <汽车衡微机称量管理软件>简介 by lzh 24) Turnbuckle locations by Steven Perry 25) Another update by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: Turnbuckle locations by Tom Plesha 27) Re: Turnbuckle locations by "Lee M." 28) Re: Turnbuckle locations by "Lee M." 29) Re: Turnbuckle locations by "Dale Sebring" 30) Re: Turnbuckle locations by Steven Perry 31) Re: Turnbuckle locations by Tom Plesha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:03:43 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Knut Erik is embarassed Message-ID: <20020927160343.31496348DD@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, Thanks for correcting me, it is so bl.... obvious that I didn`t check it. I spent some time trying to get the conversion between cm and dm right, and then they called from the office and wanted to move my workplace from the Golf of Mexico to India or the Middle East (Swap with an US citizen). My mind went somewhere else for a while... Lets try again 175 UK Gallons in two tanks to liters in one tank. => 175 * 4.546 => 796 liters for two => 400 liters each (Germany was metric) 400 liters = 400dm3 = 400000cm3 so we can do all calculations in cm Volume = Pi * (radius**2) * (length in cm) 400000 = 3.14 * (radius**2) * length. 400000 / 3.14 = (radius**2) * length. 126687 = (radius**2) * length. radius**2 = 126687 / length radius = Square root of (126687 / length in cm) diameter = 2 * Square root of (126687 / length in cm) ----------------------------------------------------- If the tank is barrel shaped and 1m long (100cm), then it is 72cm in diameter, which seems reasonable given the usual 200 liter drums being half the capacity. Having 400 liter tanks in a Gotha would place quite some strain locally, and they would have to be placed close to the centre of gravity. A barrel shaped tank is easy to make and handle, strong for its weight and with the stress evenly distributed. If there is no reason to make it in a more complex shape, them I would guess on a barrel like shape. Eders Knut Erik >Part of the question is whether the tanks intruded into the passageway between the forward crew areas and the rear gunner's station. The usual thought is that they were a couple of roughly cylindrical tanks along the port side of the fuselage above the wing mainspars. If the bodies were cylindrical, the exact shape of the endcaps was not important for this question (the proof is left for the student). If they were oblong or elliptical in cross section, then other calculations come into play. Whatever the case, it would be nice to know the proper way to depict them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:03:45 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: The Small Shop Message-ID: <20020927160345.6076834815@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, The quality of the folding tool looks like it is made for NASA or USAF, it is machined and with a very smooth finish. It took them some five months from when they charged my VISA card before they mailed it to me, so they did in fact beat Schorsch/MRR in slowest handling of an order. It seems like buying from a vendors table is a better option. Eders Knut Erik >Their PE folding tool is fantastic, also their P/E cutting set, and PE >rolling set is also fantastic. I highly recommend their tools as they are >innovative and really work as described. In fact the only problem with Small >Parts is their customer service, it is non-existent! I never could contact >them by phone, so I ended up sending an e-mail. Each e-mail I sent got a >response in about a month. It took me four months to get my order, and they >charged out my credit card the first month! But I eventually got it. He goes >to the Nats every year, so if you are planning on getting one it's best to >pick it up there (you should have got one in VA!). Bottom line, tools are >fantastic, customer service is very poor. >HTH >-----------Bob > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:09:01 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: The Small Shop Message-ID: And The Small Shop has signed up for the 2003 Nationals in OKC. So be there or be ....auh, never mind, too corny. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:26:56 -0400 From: SSH To: Subject: Re: The Small Shop Message-ID: <20020927162517.B54A5690BEC@mail.mailsnare.net> >It took them some five months from when they charged my VISA card >before >they mailed it to me ------------ I should note that Daniel Munoz was quite prompt in shipping *his* device to me. As for answering qns, or making suggestions on how to use it or improvise it, he is very helpful and responsive - I guess it has something to do with being a 'labour of love'. If you have any qns or want a glowing testimonial, please contact me offlist. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:42:16 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: The Small Shop Message-ID: <040701c26644$d6c8fa60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > ------------ I should note that Daniel Munoz was quite prompt in > shipping *his* device to me. As for answering qns, or making > suggestions on how to use it or improvise it, he is very helpful and > responsive - I guess it has something to do with being a 'labour of > love'. > If you have any qns or want a glowing testimonial, please contact me > offlist. Ditto from here. Daniel's tool was a very useful device and he helped me a lot with his advice and putting online an instruction page to guide me and other customers in its use. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:59:30 +0100 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The Small Shop Message-ID: >And The Small Shop has signed up for the 2003 Nationals in OKC. >So be there or be ....auh, never mind, too corny. >Mack Be There or Be Small? N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:14:32 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Spad 17 wasRE: Re: Spad XV Message-ID: <042801c26649$59109560$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! > According to the FMP book, it was Capitaine de Slade who > did the operational testing. 20 were produced and distributed > mostly to the cigogne squadrons (amongst them spa103 which > Fonck belonged to). But in Foncks book there is not a mention > of the Spad 17 despite a short chapter "about the planes I flew" > he mentions , a 180hp Spad 7, a 220hp Spad 13 ,a 230hp Spad 13 > and a 230hp Spad 12 (on which he scored 11 victories). > A very mysterious aeroplane! A Mistery Plane! Ooops, sorry, wrong list! ;-) In any case, I wonder how the faces of the judges would look if confronted to this small biplane! D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:41:47 +0800 From: "maocheng" To: wwi@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: =?GB2312?B?zOzPwr6509DV4sO0uda1xMrCLi4u1ebJ2bz7IQ==?= Message-ID: <200209271742.NAA22803@mustang.sr.unh.edu> 您好: 山姆大叔给您送大礼来了! 爱情白面包、全金属外壳、少林足球、风云（40集）、蜀山剑侠传之仙侣奇缘（20集）！ 手机短信、手机图片、手机铃声、手机新闻、手机资料、手机音乐、手机屏保。时尚图片、 写真图片、个性短语、短信新闻订阅、手机短信游戏. http://www.popsms.net FTP电影下载;HTTP电影下载;DVD电影下载;在线影视;电视台节目在线收看;电影海报;手机短信; 流行音乐;动漫天地.电影奖和明星介绍;奥斯卡影视;好莱坞电影排行榜等等. http://www.filmbbs.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:47:54 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. Message-ID: <200209271347_MC3-1-12D1-A7C@compuserve.com> >> MR.JAMES MBU(CHIRMAN NATIONAL FETILIZER COMPANY.NAFCON) << At last the truth. Fertilizer is another word for BS if I'm not mistaken. I have not kept a record but it seems Nigeria has enough money in secret accounts to feed all of Africa. And of course, sending it to the world does keep it in strictest confidence. Uggie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:28:33 -0400 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A Slow day Gotha Question Message-ID: <3D94A351.551FB183@rogers.com> I wasn't following this thread too closely but the G.V (with the nacelles extending down to the bottom wing) then the main tanks are in the nacelles under the engines. Side view here: http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/Gotha_G5_engine_nacelle.jpg Mike Fl. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:37:01 -0400 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A Slow day Gotha Question Message-ID: <3D94A54D.D48717D9@rogers.com> On second thought - this may not be a V - anyone know which version it is? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:41:01 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Spad 17 wasRE: Re: Spad XV Message-ID: <1033152061.3d94a63d4ffc8@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Diego Fernetti : > In any case, I wonder how the faces of the judges would look if > confronted > to this small biplane! > D. > > They'd go 'Yawn ! Another biplane! Now where are those Me1-0-thingies and Lawn darts' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:41:25 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: A Slow day Gotha Question Message-ID: Thank you for the drawing. That is the configuration of the fuel tanks for the G.II through the G.IV. The G.V. moved the fuel from under the engine to inside the fuselage center section. This left the area under the engine nacelle open and the nacelle supported on struts between the wings. That said, I'm wondering if the Occam's Razor path was taken, and the exact same tanks 'd'Essence' were moved into the fuselage. They could have been laid across the floor or stacked one over the other on one side of the fuselage. That is the conundrum. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:55:34 +0100 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Completely ot, but Message-ID: <1033152934.3d94a9a693a2a@netmail.pipex.net> Fans of Steve Hustad might want to have a look at some of his Japanese aircraft: http://www.j-aircraft.com/hustad/steve_hustad_collection2.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:56:57 +1000 From: "D. Charles" To: Subject: Re: Early aviation bullsh.. Message-ID: <01b201c26668$6bf140c0$493832d2@charles> It was repeated this year Shane. Yes, it's a comedy/satire. And I think that Jackson (of LotR fame) has some connection. All just a bit of a laugh and nothing to get excited about. But, worth watching if you get the chance. David > > The girl next to me here at the office, told me she'd > > seen a TV documentary about a photographer named McKenzie. > > He took a photo of the "real" first flight 9 months before > > the Wright brothers. > > Now that I may have stirred someone else's memory they can take it from > here. > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:55:49 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Small Shop Message-ID: Bob: Surely you mean Small Shop? I have never had a problem with Small Parts though they are limited by delivering UPS only. Michael >In fact the only problem with Small Parts is their customer service, >it is >non-existent! -----------Bob _________________________________________________________________ Join the world抯 largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:57:57 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: the Small Shop Message-ID: <109.193b33c7.2ac62e65@aol.com> --part1_109.193b33c7.2ac62e65_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Tom - I'll give you a call tonite. Tom --part1_109.193b33c7.2ac62e65_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Tom - I'll give you a call tonite.

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He made it look like a Tamiya kit.. Well done. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Fleming" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 4:56 AM Subject: [WWI] Completely ot, but > > Fans of Steve Hustad might want to have a look at some of his Japanese aircraft: > > http://www.j-aircraft.com/hustad/steve_hustad_collection2.htm > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:40:30 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Fighting Triplanes and 'Flu Message-ID: <007801c266db$78166600$5bc932d2@default> Hi All; I sent this to the List yesterday but it doesn't seem to have arrived. I saw Knut Erik's post re the exhumation of the corpses, checked my references, and it was Spitzbergen. Anyway, here is the original post..... Today I was able to reserve a copy of "The Fighting Triplanes" by Evan Hadringham @ $30.00 AU (seems a good price in comparison to ABE). Does anyone have any comments about this book? I had a quick flick through it and it seems okay. Just a quick note on Diego's post re "The 1918 Spanish 'Flu". Firstly from what I've read, it had little to with Spain at all. There is (as usual) some controversy as to its origination and nature. About seven years ago a group of researchers exhumed a number of sailors who were flu victims in Greenland (or Iceland I'm unsure) on the premise that the virus may have been preserved in the frozen corpses. (finding intact viruses of the strain had not been possible before this time as the virus would not live on in the average corpse or has mutated well beyond its original form) They found a virus which turned out to be a variant of Swine Flu. Further to this perhaps the earliest reported case was an American Army recruit who died at his training camp in early 1917, who had, as a civilian, been a pig farmer. Some virurologists have argued for a cross over from swine as the likely cause of the disease, and this is also a possible cause of the disease's virulence - the human immune system had little or no defences to swine 'flu variants. However, there is much controversy and it is not likely that a first cause is really likely to be known. FYI only. All the Best Neil E (Go Magpies- gallant in defeat!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:48:03 -0700 (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) From: lzh To: wwi Subject: <汽车衡微机称量管理软件>简介 Message-ID: <3D957E04000043A1@mta03.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) --qzsoft_directmail_seperator Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 ICAgILrctuCzp7/zxvPStcO/zOy2vNPQtPPBv87v1sq9+LP20OjSqsb7s7W64rPGwb+jrNPJ09q1 2LD1ytLN+QrN+dS2wOu53MDtsr/DxaOsy76zxsjL1LG1xLmk1/e1w7K7tb3T0NCnvOC/2KOstvjH 0sO/zOy088G/tcTK1rmkCszutaW6zbzGy+O5pNf3vKvS17eiyfq07c7zo6zV4tCpzsrM4rK7veK+ 9r2ruPjG89K1tPjAtL7etPO+rbzDy/AKyqeho86qtMujrLrTuqPG+7O1uuKzxsG/zqK7+rncwO3P tc2zvavOqsT6zOG5qcirw+a1xL3ivva3vbC4oa2hrQogICAgoba607qjtefX07rizqK7+rPGwb+5 3MDtz7XNs6G3yO28/srK08PT2r/zssmhoruvuaShor2ossShotKxCr3woaK158GmoaLBuL/itcjQ 0NK1o6zI7bz+yei8xsu8z+u2wMzYoaK5psTct+G4u6OsuPfP7ta4seq++b7fufoKxNrB7M/Iy67G vaOsuMPI7bz+z7XNs7XE06bTw72ruPjTw7untPjAtM/U1vi1xL6tvMPQp9Lmus3J57vh0KfS5qGj CiAgICAgLrTz0M3K/b7dv+LPtc2zo6zI/by2sLLIq8zlz7UKICAgICAuwem77rXEss7K/cno1sOj rLbg1ta87L3vtaW08tOhuPHKvcrks/YKICAgICAuz+q+obXEzbO8xrLp0a+6zbGose3K5LP2CiAg ICAgLrL6xrfP+srboaKzxsG/0rXO8cH3s8zSu8zlu6+jrLLEwc/R6crVs8bBv6Gi1sq87KGiveHL 49K1zvEKwfezzNK7zOW7rwogICAgIC63vbHjtcSzxtbYyv3Bv7bgtaW31sXktKbA7bmmxNwKICAg ICAus7XJ7bOss6TKsb/JvfjQ0Nb3udK31rPGCiAgICAgLs3qyca1xLLZ1/fIqM/ev9jWxrrNuPrX 2bmmxNwKICAgICAu1qez1s7ez9/N+MLnoaK157uwsqa6xc34wueholZQTrXItuDW1tfpzfi3vcq9 o6yyoszhuanP4LnYveIKvva3vbC4CiAgICAgILu2063AtLXny/fIodPQudjXysHPCiAgICDJvbar utO6o7zGy+O7+tDFz6K5pLPM09DP3rmry77OqsT6zOG5qdeo0rW7r7XEvMbBvy/O78H3veK+9re9 sLgKICAgILXnu7CjuqOoMDUzMaOpODA2OTIzNSwxMzcwNjQwNDY0NApFLW1haWw6aGVoYWlzb2Z0 QHZpcC5zaW5hLmNvbbvybHpoNjkwMUBzaW5hLmNvbQogICAgwe3T0KO6o6gxo6nWuM7Gv7zH2s+1 zbOju6OoMqOptefX09GyuPzRsrzsz7XNs6O7CiAgICAgICAgICCjqDOjqb7Gteq53MDtz7XNs6O7 o6g0o6nI7bz+tqjWxr+qt6K3/s7xoaMKCg== --qzsoft_directmail_seperator-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:34:07 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Turnbuckle locations Message-ID: <3D95A1BF.4050200@tampabay.rr.com> As we all know, rigging is not something that always photographs well. Sometimes I find it quite hard to determine the details of rigging from photographs. It seems pretty standard that turnbuckles on the flying and landing wires were placed on the ends of the runs near the bottom of the mainplane struts. Easy access for the riggers seems a logical reason. The same for turnbuckles located next to control horns. What about the rigging on kingposts? These are harder to get at being up high atop the wing like a JN4, RE.8 or Lohner or high over the fuselage as in an MoS L or a Bristol M.1c. Here ease of access would be facilitated by having them close together near the apex of the kingpost. Does anyone know differently for sure? What about the U/C rigging? Lacking a clear photo, would turnbuckles be more likely near the fuselage end of a run or the other way around? sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:36:24 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Another update Message-ID: Knut Erik Hagen sends in more photos of the Voisin at Le Bourget. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Turnbuckle locations Message-ID: <20020928134130.69146.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Hi SP- FWIW- I'm putting the turnbuckles at the top near the kingposts and at the bottom of the lg struts/uc. This was the best I could come up with from the photos and logic? .. HTH Later Tom --- Steven Perry wrote: > As we all know, rigging is not something that always > photographs well. > Sometimes I find it quite hard to determine the > details of rigging from > photographs. > > It seems pretty standard that turnbuckles on the > flying and landing > wires were placed on the ends of the runs near the > bottom of the > mainplane struts. Easy access for the riggers seems > a logical reason. > The same for turnbuckles located next to control > horns. > > What about the rigging on kingposts? These are > harder to get at being up > high atop the wing like a JN4, RE.8 or Lohner or > high over the fuselage > as in an MoS L or a Bristol M.1c. Here ease of > access would be > facilitated by having them close together near the > apex of the kingpost. > > Does anyone know differently for sure? What about > the U/C rigging? > Lacking a clear photo, would turnbuckles be more > likely near the > fuselage end of a run or the other way around? > > sp > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:52:22 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Cc: "Steven Perry" Subject: Re: Turnbuckle locations Message-ID: <000c01c266f6$629dec60$ab4d39cc@mesystem> I am sending a photo of the left wing kingpost area of a JN4D. I took this about January of this year. It should answer you question quite well. Hope you don't mind getting it this way. Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 09:13:24 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: , "Tom Plesha" , Subject: Re: Turnbuckle locations Message-ID: <001a01c266f9$35ee6160$ab4d39cc@mesystem> The turnbuckles are near the top of the LG cables and near the top of kingposts. The 4 kingpost cables, on each wing, left and right cables are all located near the wing surfaces. About two inches up the cables from the covering. Photo has been sent to Steven Perry and Tom Plesha . Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Plesha" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:42 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Turnbuckle locations > Hi SP- > FWIW- > I'm putting the turnbuckles at the top near the > kingposts and at the bottom of the lg struts/uc. > This was the best I could come up with from the photos > and logic? > . > HTH > Later > Tom > --- Steven Perry wrote: > > As we all know, rigging is not something that always > > photographs well. > > Sometimes I find it quite hard to determine the > > details of rigging from > > photographs. > > > > It seems pretty standard that turnbuckles on the > > flying and landing > > wires were placed on the ends of the runs near the > > bottom of the > > mainplane struts. Easy access for the riggers seems > > a logical reason. > > The same for turnbuckles located next to control > > horns. > > > > What about the rigging on kingposts? These are > > harder to get at being up > > high atop the wing like a JN4, RE.8 or Lohner or > > high over the fuselage > > as in an MoS L or a Bristol M.1c. Here ease of > > access would be > > facilitated by having them close together near the > > apex of the kingpost. > > > > Does anyone know differently for sure? What about > > the U/C rigging? > > Lacking a clear photo, would turnbuckles be more > > likely near the > > fuselage end of a run or the other way around? > > > > sp > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:14:21 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Turnbuckle locations Message-ID: <000701c266f9$581ed260$fc9dfea9@RDS> Hi Tom, did you get my note from last night? Pardon the intrusion. Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:26:11 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Turnbuckle locations Message-ID: <3D95BC03.6020808@tampabay.rr.com> Thanks Lee. Great photos sp Lee M. wrote: > The turnbuckles are near the top of the LG cables and near the top of > kingposts. The 4 kingpost cables, on each wing, left and right cables are > all located near the wing surfaces. About two inches up the cables from the > covering. > > Ph ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Turnbuckle locations Message-ID: <20020928143102.53140.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Lee- Appreciate the help. Later Tom .. --- "Lee M." wrote: > The turnbuckles are near the top of the LG cables > and near the top of > kingposts. The 4 kingpost cables, on each wing, > left and right cables are > all located near the wing surfaces. About two > inches up the cables from the > covering. > > Photo has been sent to Steven Perry and Tom Plesha . > > Lee M. > New Braunfels, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Plesha" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:42 AM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Turnbuckle locations > > > > Hi SP- > > FWIW- > > I'm putting the turnbuckles at the top near the > > kingposts and at the bottom of the lg struts/uc. > > This was the best I could come up with from the > photos > > and logic? > > . > > HTH > > Later > > Tom > > --- Steven Perry wrote: > > > As we all know, rigging is not something that > always > > > photographs well. > > > Sometimes I find it quite hard to determine the > > > details of rigging from > > > photographs. > > > > > > It seems pretty standard that turnbuckles on the > > > flying and landing > > > wires were placed on the ends of the runs near > the > > > bottom of the > > > mainplane struts. Easy access for the riggers > seems > > > a logical reason. > > > The same for turnbuckles located next to control > > > horns. > > > > > > What about the rigging on kingposts? These are > > > harder to get at being up > > > high atop the wing like a JN4, RE.8 or Lohner or > > > high over the fuselage > > > as in an MoS L or a Bristol M.1c. Here ease of > > > access would be > > > facilitated by having them close together near > the > > > apex of the kingpost. > > > > > > Does anyone know differently for sure? What > about > > > the U/C rigging? > > > Lacking a clear photo, would turnbuckles be more > > > likely near the > > > fuselage end of a run or the other way around? > > > > > > sp > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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