WWI Digest 4657 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by "Dave Burke" 2) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by "Jamie Gagnon" 3) RE: Kit want list by SSH 4) Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit by "Diego Fernetti" 5) Re:Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes by EPMyles@aol.com 6) Re Eduard Nieuport's etc etc by "NEIL EDDY" 7) Re:Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes by "ibs4421" 8) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by "Lee M." 9) Re: Let's talk about Camels by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by "Bob Laskodi" 11) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: Myths about nieuports by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: rere: sort of back...... by KarrArt@aol.com 15) re: sort of back...... by KarrArt@aol.com 16) re: Fwd: New Eduard kit by PetersList@aol.com 17) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by "Bob Laskodi" 18) new by Shigeo Koike by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Re: new by Shigeo Koike by "Jamie Gagnon" 20) Does anyone speaks japanese??? by "Diego Fernetti" 21) OT: Lawrence or Aribia's Motorcycles by "Brent Theobald" 22) Re: Re Eduard Nieuport's etc etc by Larry Marshall 23) Re: OT: Lawrence or Aribia's Motorcycles by "ibs4421" 24) Re: Motorcycle Model by "Mario Didier" 25) Re: desktop wallpapers by "ibs4421" 26) Re: OT: Lawrence or Aribia's Motorcycles by PetersList@aol.com 27) Roden Strutters by "Magnus Berggren" 28) Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes by Steven Perry 29) Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes by "Thomas Solinski" 30) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by Steven Perry 31) Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes by "Lee M." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:03:20 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <006a01c25ff6$13c58320$16e479a5@s0024008072> Hey Y'all I do quite a bit of business with GreatModels and have orders pending. Sure, I have had trouble from time to time, but nothing critical. I have to say that their system is a hell of a lot better than, say, Meteor Productions (whose service sucks the big biscuit). It all boils down to 'caveat emptor'. Just remember that those folks aren't out there to rip you off, and that their business is based on COMPUTERS and that they are inherently fallible. Take a deep breath, count to three, and be grateful that you have the time, money, coordination, and senses to even be able to model. I'm sure that GreatModels will take care of the problem. In the meantime, it's probably a nice day outside - why not get up and away from the modelling bench/computer desk and take a walk around outside? DB ...who is happy as he is looking at the prospect of a date with a real live non-inflatable girl for the weekend... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:58:54 -0400 From: "Jamie Gagnon" To: Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <00a301c25ff5$74afcde0$5aaa3041@ktgc.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Hi Lee; > Why don't you folks get together with others in this group the group and > compile a list of grievances which can go to the Better business Bureau in > the city/Town/village where Great Models operates. I've never really found Better Business Bureau's to have any use. I've filed complaints about businesses with them on a few occasions; nothing ever resulted except that I lost the time I put into complaining to them. The most effective way to deal with bad businesses is to convince other people not to deal with them. That is one of the advantages of the internet; such information can be shared directly without dealing with middle men like the BBB, which tends to be far more about insulating business from complaint than about fixing those complaints. Jamie > It may be neat to complain to each other but what good does ot do that will > make them change in a positive manner and what about those who are not > members of this, (WWI), particular list... If people stop using them because of bad word of mouth, they will either have to change or go out of business. > Your complaints on the list are noted but what good does it do to complain > to each other? It is the best possible method for eliminating problem retailers. Inform your friends/acquaintances so that they can do business with others. The postings of several people about Smallparts' insistence on using UPS across International borders prevented me from ordering from them. This was not a matter for Better Business Bureaus or law enforcement; just a matter of informing others about a potentially very expensive (to the customer) bad business decision. > Get your act together and do something useful. Complain to someone that can > and usually will re-act to some degree. BBB's are frequently even less competent than the businesses they are supposed to monitor. I complained about a business to the London, Ontario office about a decade ago. A lady friend had a bad problem with the same business; I took her in to file a complaint and we were informed (by the same individual who took my complaint originally) that no one had ever complained about that business before. She did not even blush when I told here that I had in fact complained to her myself about this business. > Another "neat" facility/person to contact is the Attorney General of the > State where they are located. Many letters will get proper attention and > they can certainly be of assistance. But they need formal, written > complaints and of course documentation of what you did. What you ordered > versus what you got... Photos will help. Generally, legal authorities are only useful if there is fraud involved. They will not help you with matters of incompetence and indifference, which I suspect is the case with this company. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:57:47 -0400 From: SSH To: Subject: RE: Kit want list Message-ID: <20020919155627.25F42690BC6@mail.mailsnare.net> Some progress on the want list. I have put up a couple of pages on my web site. Please take a look. I am looking for feedback on the following aspects: 1- the presentation - is it easy to read, easy to print, does it display and work okay on your browser, too slow, etc. 2- the content - what should be added, changed, deleted, moved around, etc 3- the content of the list entry itself: does the entry contain all the info needed to reasonably desribe an item. The URL to the first page is: http://ot811.zapto.org/wwiwant/wwi_wanta.htm please dont hit it too hard! It links to a 2nd page, and the 2nd page has a form that sends me emails to my address. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:00:27 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <045101c25ff5$ac64ab20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dear Mr. Marshall > I hope you realize, just a little bit, that this constant jabbing at people in > the name of humor doesn't always come off as you intend. Sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention. > The thing about all of this is that it's a whole lot easier to stop providing > information than to provide it. If trying to be helpful simply brands you as > a whiner, then you'll simply have nobody providing information. Maybe that's > the goal and I shall take it under advisement. Not at all. D. Constant Jabber ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:09:37 EDT From: EPMyles@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes Message-ID: <42.2da73427.2abb50c1@aol.com> --part1_42.2da73427.2abb50c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was wondering what books you have that you've had for awhile, and still >like to look through, perhaps even after 28 years!! Heroes & Aeroplanes of the Great War 1914-1918, Joseph A. Phelan. Original first edition copy dated 1966, with handwritten gift note from parents on the title page. Binding is cracking, cloth cover is torn, stained, and edge-worn. When held at the right angle in the light, one can see that many of the illustrations have impressed lines where I copied aircraft to make my own dogfight drawings. OK, it may not be the epitome of historical accuracy and marking minutiae, but the pictures and stories are still a favorite after 36 years, and now inspire a second generation as I often look through the book with my little boy. Myles --part1_42.2da73427.2abb50c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was wondering what books you have that you've had for awhile, and still
>like to look through, perhaps even after 28 years!!


Heroes & Aeroplanes of the Great War 1914-1918, Joseph A. Phelan.  Original first edition copy dated 1966, with handwritten gift note from parents on the title page.  

Binding is cracking, cloth cover is torn, stained, and edge-worn.  When held at the right angle in the light, one can see that many of the illustrations have impressed lines where I copied aircraft to make my own dogfight drawings.

OK, it may not be the epitome of historical accuracy and marking minutiae, but the pictures and stories are still a favorite after 36 years, and now inspire a second generation as I often look through the book with my little boy.

Myles
--part1_42.2da73427.2abb50c1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:27:42 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re Eduard Nieuport's etc etc Message-ID: <001001c25ff9$7b07cf40$7b5632d2@default> Hi All; Why did I post my complaint re the critique of the Nieuport kit? Several reasons: 1) As others have pointed out this is one of the finest 1/48 kits going around. Some of its decal may be wrong to one degree or another. The Chassard type of critique is quite different to a review - it says nothing about the kit itself - it focuses on one small part of the whole and to me its throwing the baby out with the bath water as it were. 2) How many of us have actually seen the decals? Here some of us are applauding these comments and agreeing to post them everywhere and I would say a lot of us haven't even seen them. But hey! they must be terrible - an expert told us so! 3) In my experience Eduard are not usually indifferent to constructive criticism and can be quite responsive to constructive criticism when its directed their way. It certainly can't hurt to direct the criticism to them first - I think that if an authority such as Messr Chassard did so, then it may be something that can be fixed in future runs of the kit and may even lead to a working relationship for future kits. It is generally better to make constructive use of criticism rather than to use it to score expert brownie points. If he has done so and they have told him to get nicked then we may be more justified but until we know this I think we should be more cautious. 4) How and where criticism is placed is important - on a specialist list like this, it might not be so important. But start to put it in generalist sites such as Internet Modeller, Hyperscale, Modelling Madness, and you may get a totally different effect. Lay modellers or site surfers may be lead to thinking that the entire kit is no good due to this small defect. This could lead to damages in sales of the kit and possibly other Eduard products. Do we wish to take responsibility for this? 5) Also historically, Eduard have always had a constructive relationship with this List. I for one would like to see this continue. It is good to see most Listees taking a balanced view of the situation. Its just annoying somewhat when others seem to miss the point. In another post we were talking about doing something collectively about Great Models sometimes shonky dealings (I used to advocate for them until I discovered they had double billed me for something about 3 months ago), if you feel strongly about Eduard's actions then write to them too. I have in the past and find them usually very responsive. All the Best Neil E (Southern Debating Team) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:48:33 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re:Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes Message-ID: <003301c25ffc$64a49460$67e51442@dwfjv01> > Heroes & Aeroplanes of the Great War 1914-1918, Joseph A. Phelan. Original > first edition copy dated 1966 Myles, That was one of two books that I kept constantly checked out of our public library when I was a kid. The other was "Aircraft of World War I" by Kenneth Munson. I was able to obtain a copy of the latter, and am looking to get a copy of "Heroes & Aeroplanes" for my son. There was another book I got through our "Weekly Reader" program in elementary school, had bios of all kinds of OT aces in it. I forget the title at the moment, but saw a link to it on the Aerodrome Forum. the Munson book was bought with both my son's and my enjoyment in mind. The others will come to him in due time. As you say, they are not the greatest references in the world, but when I hold those old books, I can remember how it felt to see them then, go to the Woolworth's, buy an OT 1/72nd Revell kit, and all things in the world seemed possible then. Warren Who can't spend any more money on books this month for having given Barry at Rosemont a chunk o' cash for some too many FMP books. (Can you have too many FMP books?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:10:19 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <017201c25fff$6f83c100$bf4d39cc@mesystem> The A>G. Does a better job but they usually want proof of things and that may be hard to do with a computer order and third party delivery. But that was just a suggestion anyway. Just remember that together makes a lot bigger racket. If twenty people contacb the BBB it will attract attention. 50 or 100 will create and uproar. I am familiar with them since I was in business for a large number of years. I owned my own business, and, I was Sales Manager and PR man for Continental Trailways Bus in Albuquerque, New Mexico. They do a lot to protect their members...The business man or woman... But numbers of complaints means better access. One complaint is like "Stomach Gas" in a Wind Storm. A big bunch is a whole different story. One complaint suggests a problem. Large numbers of complaints is a problem What ever you wish is the approach you should take. As I said.. Only a suggestion. Lee M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Gagnon" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning > Hi Lee; > //Why don't you folks get together with others in this group the group and compile a list of grievances which can go to the Better business Bureau in the City/Town/Village where Great Models operates.// I've never really found Better Business Bureau's to have any use. I've filed complaints about businesses with them on a few occasions; nothing ever resulted except that I lost the time I put into complaining to them. The most effective way to deal with bad businesses is to convince other people not to deal with them. That is one of the advantages of the internet; such information can be shared directly without dealing with middle men like the BBB, which tends to be far more about insulating business from complaint than about fixing those complaints. > Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:11:23 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Let's talk about Camels Message-ID: <04df01c25fff$98a5d820$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Grzes! > I'm finishng (heheehe, the third year) my Camel. I have two contrary > references: Datafile plans shows undercarriage legs as very simple, and > photos from Krakow museum, and also period photos of the plane I build > (Forder's one captured by Linke-Crawford) shows u/c as very complex design. > Were that two versions? Split-axle and non-split? The undercarriage legs had a fixture in the lower part to avoid the axle to hit the sides of the Vee. That must have been there also to reinforce the area. The Pup had something similar, but not exactly the same as in the Camel. And as far as I know, all camels had the split axle. Anyway it's wise to check a picture of the machine you want to model, just in case... D. PS: which one of the datafiles are you using? 2.F1 or 1.F.1? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:19:57 -0700 From: "Bob Laskodi" To: Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <001101c26000$c74130c0$263819d0@a8f1a1> <<>> I can't say for sure how much overall business is being lost due to their negative reputation (but I'm sure it's significant)! I spent over $1,000 at their website last year (I let them know how much I spent in the hopes they would realize I am a better than average customer and reply quickly-and it didn't help!) and they could care less. The callous, indifferent replies to my e-mails and their attitude that they can take their sweet time to "fix" my billing error (BTW, they say they have too many e-mail inquiries to answer them in a timely fashion-what an excuse, a billing mistake should be at the top of their list) means that they lost my business for some time. YMMV ----------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:20:20 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <2d.237a8d8f.2abb6154@aol.com> In a message dated 9/19/02 8:52:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gagnonjamie@rogers.com writes: << I've never really found Better Business Bureau's to have any use. I've filed complaints about businesses with them on a few occasions; nothing ever resulted except that I lost the time I put into complaining to them. >> Extremely off-topic, but we've got a local scandel going here in my little slice of the world with the BBB being accused of "pay us or we'll tell everyone you're a bad company"- extortion stuff. No convictions yet, only accusations and winding its way through the courts, but it makes one step back and go "hmmmmmm". RK.......who doesn't do much mail order, but has always had good service from Squadron- not a glitched order in way over twenty years, and the few times I've ordered from Rosemont, the service was excellent. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:20:23 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes Message-ID: <66.2765e71d.2abb6157@aol.com> In a message dated 9/19/02 6:37:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 1100hedererp@speedeenet.com writes: << I was wondering what books you have that you've had for awhile, and still like to look through, perhaps even after 28 years!! Paul Hederer >> A little paperback "The First Warplanes" by William Barrett, cost 75 cents in 1965. A neat little book crammed with photos on cheap newsprint..... a lot of the text would be considered inaccurate today, but it opened my eyes to more than Spads, Nieuports, Camels, and Fokkers. It had plenty of two seaters, weird pushers, strange new airplane companies such as LVG, Voisin, etc. Last time I looked through it was maybe 2or 3 months ago. I always put it away "someplace safe", and this morning I can't remember where that is. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:20:23 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Myths about nieuports Message-ID: <5a.11d316de.2abb6157@aol.com> In a message dated 9/19/02 4:50:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: << > Sounds like it ought to please the pathologic Nieuport Nut. You mean who? D. >> geewhiz, I don't know............yeah, right! RK P.S. I've heard that if you record the sound of the Rhinebeck Nieuport 11's LeRhone and play it backward it says "matt matt matt matt". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:20:25 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: rere: sort of back...... Message-ID: <80.21b92337.2abb6159@aol.com> In a message dated 9/19/02 4:13:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl writes: << > It must be authentic too, > the Zeppelins must have gone down into flamingo and palm country sometimes. > Would that be California? If so I'm coming! > /Neil C. Africa I think. One of the Zepps went from Germany thorough Bulgaria with supply for besieged German forces in east/central Africa IIRC. L-59? G. >> Absolutely correct! November 1917. Robinson's Zeppelin in Combat describes a scene one evening around sunset, crossing the Egyptian/Sudan border near an oasis when the crew saw a mass takeoff of flamingos. Since every airbrush painter has to do at least cheesy flamingo picture in his carreer (it's the law), I figured I might as well make it OT. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:20:26 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: sort of back...... Message-ID: <169.13fff0f8.2abb615a@aol.com> In a message dated 9/19/02 2:08:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: << I looked all through Roberts site, and couldn't find the Flamingo, from the small pic it looks gorgeous, not surprised you like it G, birds are nicer than Zeppelins! It must be authentic too, the Zeppelins must have gone down into flamingo and palm country sometimes. Would that be California? If so I'm coming! /Neil C. >> I can't remember if it's on my site yet, but to see just this one, head to: http://members.aol.com/pfalzdiii/zepsmall.jpg RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:25:14 EDT From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Fwd: New Eduard kit Message-ID: <125.16ca9909.2abb627a@aol.com> The font that was used for this inscription is one commonly availble on the less expensive dry print sheets found in most stationery stores. It's not a problem that will prevent my buying the double issue cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:27:19 -0700 From: "Bob Laskodi" To: Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <001901c26001$cefe47c0$263819d0@a8f1a1> <<>> I did. I contacted the BBB in Salt Lake City and filed a complaint (the error was pretty cut and dry since it was a double billing, it still took over three months to resolve and nothing happened until I contacted my credit card company and refused to pay it). Never heard from Great Model or the BBB (for that matter) about it! YMMV ---------Bob PS I find the list "warnings" to be quite helpful to me. If one person says something negative about something I usually don't pay much attention, but if 10 say something negative they've got my attention! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:30:05 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: new by Shigeo Koike Message-ID: <001101c26002$318e36c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey I know many of you enjoy good OT aviation art. Here's one new painting by the japanese master: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/cl-pln9/ROLANDC-2a.html D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:53:11 -0400 From: "Jamie Gagnon" To: Subject: Re: new by Shigeo Koike Message-ID: <001901c26005$6c027ac0$5aaa3041@ktgc.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Hi Diego; Someone was asking a while back about desktop images; this is now mine. Jamie Subject: [WWI] new by Shigeo Koike > Hey > I know many of you enjoy good OT aviation art. Here's one new painting by > the japanese master: > http://www.ne.jp/asahi/airplane/museum/cl-pln9/ROLANDC-2a.html > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:47:55 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Does anyone speaks japanese??? Message-ID: <004b01c26004$af4ba0a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> For some reason the page is labeled "present" but what does this means? it's a neat poster! http://www.nikko-pp.co.jp/info-koike/present.html D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:02:32 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OT: Lawrence or Aribia's Motorcycles Message-ID: Howdy! There have been a number of discussions about OT motorcycles recently. Here's an article about Lawrence's brand of motorcycles. http://www.mariahmotorclassics.com/brough.htm OT quote: "I don't know how fast it will go, but Lawrence outran a Bristol fighter airplane on a bike like this." So what's that? 90-100mph? Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:07:16 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Re Eduard Nieuport's etc etc Message-ID: <200209191407.16320.larrym@sympatico.ca> > about the kit itself - it focuses on one small part of the whole and to me > its throwing the baby out with the bath water as it were. Neil, is it possible that you read " For all these reasons, the modeller should avoid it." as meaning that Marc was suggesting that you not buy the kit? If so, you might want to look again as that's not what he was saying. Rather, he was saying that so little is understood about color/markings of Dorme's N1720 that this particular aircraft should be avoided by modelers, not N17s in generally or the Eduard kit either. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:19:38 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: OT: Lawrence or Aribia's Motorcycles Message-ID: <002101c26009$1e47f680$a4e51442@dwfjv01> Hmmm, as I understood it, I thought Lawrence rode an Enfield. I was misinformed. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:23:03 +0200 From: "Mario Didier" To: Subject: Re: Motorcycle Model Message-ID: <003e01c26009$991cf860$b92e623e@nomeivkuq1t6t5> Hi Brent, I don't know the quality of this model but usually Historica produces interesting kits but of an average (if not bad at all) quality. A marvellous motorcycle, unfortunately WWII is the Victoria model kit of a Benelli, the same used by Steve Zaloga in his M 13/40 diorama (military modelling vol 30 n.1 jan 2000) and a Gilera tricycle with unbelievable details and of the highest quality castings (it seems a Tamiya plastic kit) My best wishes. Mario Didier ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:27:06 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: desktop wallpapers Message-ID: <003701c2600a$28f85ce0$a4e51442@dwfjv01> > Speaking of which, I just realized I'm painting my remodeled rooms in German > lozenge colors Speaking of, in our new house, the master bedroom will be MvR Red (and yes, a nice dark shade too), with the kitchen, library, and hallways a nice CDL. Our son's room will be a shade of CDL as well, but with a wallpaper border of the history of flight from 1903-1945. It has various OT and ot a/c along with portaits of the pilots. He still wants his mom (SWMBO) to paint OT a/c on the walls like she did in his room here. When he was three or four years old, he asked his mom to paint a "sausage roast" on his bedrrom wall. Heh, heh, heh, that's my boy. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:29:31 EDT From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT: Lawrence or Aribia's Motorcycles Message-ID: --part1_f5.2240ca30.2abb7f9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 19/09/02 19:21:55 GMT Daylight Time, ibs4421@onlineky.com writes: > , as I understood it, I thought Lawrence rode an Enfield. I was > misinformed. > The motorcycle that killed him was a Brough. A very impressive machine if you've never seen one cheers Peter L --part1_f5.2240ca30.2abb7f9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 19/09/02 19:21:55 GMT Daylight Time, ibs4421@onlineky.com writes:


, as I understood it, I thought Lawrence rode an Enfield.  I was
misinformed.


The motorcycle that killed him was a Brough. A very impressive machine if you've never seen one

cheers

Peter L
--part1_f5.2240ca30.2abb7f9b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:07:26 +0200 From: "Magnus Berggren" To: Subject: Roden Strutters Message-ID: <040e01c26020$8ec8f5f0$938c42d5@skrot> OK, you´ve probably discussed this for weeks already, but how are Rodens new 1/48 Sopwith Strutters? Magnus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:47:24 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes Message-ID: <3D8A45EC.10606@tampabay.rr.com> > I was wondering what books you have that you've had for awhile, and still > like to look through, perhaps even after 28 years!! > > Paul Hederer Air Force & Golden Wings both by Martin Caidin 1942 Air News Yearbook. How about after 40 years ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:04:53 -0500 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes Message-ID: <00a201c26028$95579ae0$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> I am lucky enough to have compiled a complete collection of the unboud PROFILE PUBLICATIONS. and German Aircraft of the first world war by Gray and Thetford Mr.T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:09:37 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <3D8A4B21.1050802@tampabay.rr.com> Excuse me, but has it crossed anyone's mind what the ramifications of our posting reports of bad service on the web site would be? Do the words, UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE ring a bell? How about ALLAN WRIGHT? Perhaps Jastagate? If you post a story of bad service on the list and express an opinion about the incident, that's free speech and relevant to scale modeling of WWI airplanes, ships and equipment. Posting "Warnings" on the web site would open a huge can of legal worms. Let's give this one this one a wider birth than a well defended Drachen folks. Too much Archie in that direction. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:18:45 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes Message-ID: <01dc01c26032$e7685180$bf4d39cc@mesystem> How about a book called "History of the United States", written by Edward Hale, and , published by Chautauqua Press, 805 Broadway, New york City in 1887. (Not much about aviation since it ends before the Civil War.) One of my proudest and most highly prized possessions. Received when I was 12. Given to me by my history teacher, Mr Frank Knowles, in 1938 for excellence in history during my 7th grade School year.that ended in May of 38... The top and bottom of the spine are slightly worn from being taken off of and returned to the shelf. The front bottom corners of both front and back are slightly bent, and both top and bottom show signs of wear. 135 years can do that when the book is being used. More than slightly OT. My next one is by A. Frederick Collins. How to Fly. D. Appleton and Company, New York and London. Published 1919. Kind of "shaggy" with the covers held in place by a fabric tape applied by a library some time in the 1930s. I got it for ten cents in a clearance sale of useless books that no longer were being retained since no one was checking it out. Covers are in good condition but apparently all the pages fell out still bound together. A fun thing to have. Fully illustrated with many drawings Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Treasured books on WW1 Airplanes > > > > I was wondering what books you have that you've had for awhile, and still > > like to look through, perhaps even after 28 years!! > > > > Paul Hederer > > > Air Force & Golden Wings both by Martin Caidin > > 1942 Air News Yearbook. > > How about after 40 years ;-) > sp > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4657 **********************