WWI Digest 4655 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by "Fr. Craig Gavin" 2) re: sort of back...... by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 3) Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 4) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by "Bob Laskodi" 5) Re Nre Eduard Kit by "NEIL EDDY" 6) Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit by "ibs4421" 7) RE: sort of back...... by "John Glaser" 8) Crowood Nieuport Book by "Graham Hunter" 9) Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit by Larry Marshall 10) Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit by Larry Marshall 11) Re: IPMS USA_ Region II by "Mike Muth" 12) Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit by Steven Perry 13) Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning by "Courtney Allen" 14) re: sort of back...... by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Crowood Nieuport Book plus other stuff by KarrArt@aol.com 16) RE: sort of back...... by KarrArt@aol.com 17) pictures by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=FCE?= 18) Re: IPMS USA_ Region II by Karen Rychlewski 19) Re: Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft by "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> 20) Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit by "Dave Burke" 21) OT flying... by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 22) re: sort of back...... by Crawford Neil 23) RE: Re Nre Eduard Kit by Crawford Neil 24) RE: Re Nre Eduard Kit by "Diego Fernetti" 25) RE: Re Nre Eduard Kit by Crawford Neil 26) Re: Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft by Larry Marshall 27) rere: sort of back...... by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 28) Re: pictures by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Re: Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft by "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> 30) Myths about nieuports by "Diego Fernetti" 31) Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:33:04 -0500 From: "Fr. Craig Gavin" To: Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: Too numerous to recount. I'll never do business with them again!! - CRAIG GAVIN + > From: "Courtney Allen" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:22:38 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] GreatModel Webstore Warning > > List: > > This is a warning about dealing with GreatModel Web Store. Although I have > purchased a number of items from them through the years I have recently have > been have a problem with them. The main problem (although not the only one) > goes like this; A aircraft kit was sent with a nearly empty box. Only the > instructions and decals were included! I called and they told me that if I > returned the box they would send out a replacement. Which I did. Now they > tell me that they never shipped the kit to me in the first place and I must > have receive the kit from someone else!! They tell me this even though > their shipping invoice states clearly that it was shipped and my CC charged. > I will be pursuing this with my CC Company and whatever I else I need to. > > Just though I would warn everyone. Has anyone else had a problem with > them?? > > Courtney Allen > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:37:20 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: sort of back...... Message-ID: <00d601c25f53$300121a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Robert! > In the meantime, a belated Happy Birthday to Grzegorz! Thanks! (immediate) > And, if anyone's interested, for a cheesy scan of the program cover for the > exhibit Hah! You put that flamingo with Zepp on the cover! Cool! Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:54:35 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft Message-ID: <71EA257E03C4D511B8ED00065B04BF940136D1D4@ITCREX001> For all those interested in getting this book at a good price: Amazon.com has it listed at $69.97. Just ordered one for myself. This looks like the second printing without the color renditions. Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:56:44 -0700 From: "Bob Laskodi" To: Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <000c01c25f66$a94576c0$243819d0@a8f1a1> <<>> I used to buy a ton of stuff through Great Models, but will no longer give them my hard earned dollars. I have had numerous billing mistakes (double billed, wrong item, double shipping charge, etc.) that have been very painful to correct. The only way to get a prompt response from them is to contest the billing when your credit card bill comes due. I have been fortunate that eventually all the mistakes had been corrected but it took many months, many letters to the credit card company, many e-mails to Great Model (most unanswered), and generally way too much hassle to deal with them any longer. Buyer beware! YMMV --------Bob PS Great Models ships almost exclusively via UPS in the USA so the post office will not help out unless it was mailed via USPS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:12:01 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <001501c25f68$cc2c7ba0$537132d2@default> Hi All; Messr. Chassard makes some interesting observations re the new Eduard kit and displays his breadth of knowledge re N.3 and its markings. However, we don't see him in his announcement offering his knowledge to Eduard to fix this problem in any way. Eduard are obviously attempting to do something creative here and it strikes me that it is easy to critique from the sidelines (such as I am doing here too) when it would be better to be helping them to fix the decalling etc (I'm sure Eduard would pay him for his services). If Eduard's double kit takes a dive then we won't be seeing such like again. I don't want to start anything here, I'm just disappointed (and maybe idealistic) that someone with an obvious breadth of knowledge can't be more constructive with it. Neil E (Lurking) (Heading for a deep dugout) PS: Diego; Things don't start hotting up until December really - November is still a bit too cold! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:51:32 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <002d01c25f6e$51729420$67e51442@dwfjv01> Even with its faults, I will probably still buy it. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:21:51 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: sort of back...... Message-ID: <000601c25f72$8d266790$0400a8c0@SalesLogixGuru.com> I'd rather see a cheesy scan of you in a necktie! Kidding aside, congrats on the debut. We all are proud of one of our own. Only wish I could have made the party. - John -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of KarrArt@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] sort of back...... Howdy I've returned safely from the bowels of San Diego- physically last Saturday, mentally mostly today..... In the meantime, a belated Happy Birthday to Grzegorz! and other business, related to a thread from some time ago: < I seem to recall a dicussion about the possibility of there being blue Nieuports a while back. ThIs may interest the participants: http://www.motorcities.com/contents/00BN9262011062.html>> I had the opportunity to stick my eyes about 1" away from this very Deperdussin last Saturday. There's no blue whatsoever in its coloration. The best decription would be warm cruddy gray, with possibly some aluminum content, but if so, the crud factor was overiding it. On other topics, my goofy "debut" at the San Diego Aerospace Museum of "The Aviation Art of Robert Karr'" went well, 27 paintings and a few assorted 3D works on display at the museum till Jan 5 (including some OT stuff!) Good party, good food, my friends got free drinks and the opportunity to see me in a borrowed neck tie. Now I can maybe get back to my normal List self! And, if anyone's interested, for a cheesy scan of the program cover for the exhibit, head to: http://members.aol.com/pfalzdiii/progsend.jpg And then everybody make their way to the San Diego Aerospace Museum between now and January. Robert....relieved, weirded out ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:30:07 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: Crowood Nieuport Book Message-ID: <000801c25f73$b61c9740$770101c0@ghunter> Another one for Matt, I haven't noticed any posts about this book yet. Saw it listed at: http://www.aeroplanebooks.com Any word on what this one is like... Graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:21:06 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <200209182121.06333.larrym@sympatico.ca> > However, we don't see him in his announcement offering his knowledge to Eduard to fix this problem in any way. > Eduard are obviously attempting to do something creative here and it > strikes me that it is easy to critique from the sidelines (such as I am > I don't want to start anything here, I'm just disappointed (and maybe > idealistic) that someone with an obvious breadth of knowledge can't be more > constructive with it. Neil, this seems to be a rather strange indictment. First, you don't know whether Marc sent that information to Eduard or not. More importantly, however, unless Eduard asks experts for their input prior to creation of things like decal sheets, the best that any expert can do is evaluate what's produced, just as Marc has done. It most certainly would be nice if Eduard would consult with someone like Marc before producing their products but it seems hard to place the burden on Marc for that lack of consultation. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:22:17 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <200209182122.17223.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Wednesday 18 September 2002 19:53, you wrote: > Even with its faults, I will probably still buy it. I agree. The "faults" are very minor and similar errors exist in many of the kits we buy. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:04:46 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: IPMS USA_ Region II Message-ID: <000601c25f80$ee3e2d20$66d2bacc@ptdprolog.net> Karen We'll be at Comfort Inn. Any idea of when things are happening on Sat? Margaret and I are looking forward to flea market. We'll meet you and anyone else for lunch. Mike Kendix will be judging so can't make it for lunch. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Rychlewski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: IPMS USA_ Region II > Mike Muth wrote: > > > Well, Kendix convinced Margaret and I to come to scenic Hagerstown Md. > > The promise of multiple vendor tables proved too much to fight. We'll get > > there Friday evening. Anyone up for lunch on Sat? > > Always ready for lunch! > > Anyone else staying overnight? I'm planning two nights since the banquet will > probably end late. I'll find someplace cheaper than the Venice Inn > however--seems like the street it's on is 'hotel row'. > > At least two other listees are coming in from the west, we should have a > terrific tableful of OT stuff--hey, Bill Arnold, are you making the trip? > > Looking forward to meeting you there, Mike... > > Karen > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:09:22 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <3D8931D2.8040703@tampabay.rr.com> Markings errors in kits is an interesting subject. From the point of view of the scale modeler, this is a bad thing. From the point of view of a kit manufacturer it may not be a good thing, but neither is it a bad thing. Were it not for aftermarket decal makers, very fiew of us would purchase more than one copy of a kit. (Can you imagine Matt with only one Nieuport kit of each type or Neil with only one Spad kit of each type ;-) People who purchase more than one copy of a kit do so because they have in mind using aftermarket decals to produce the exact schemes they want. It very often doesn't matter to a modeler what markings a kit comes with, because they aren't going to be used anyway. So having slight erors in a kit decal sheet doesn't hurt sales much at all. Modelers who are interested enough to buy and build an occasional WWI kit often do not notice the errors. Modlers who are serious about WWI, especially ones serious enough to buy multiple copies of a release, may realize the error, but they are familiar with the markings options available from the aftermarket industry. A good kit is more important to them than the markings included in the kit. A kit manufacturer producing a run of injection molded kits in the tens of thousands might prefer to have exactly perfect markings, but when he gets his decal order back from the decal manufacturer and notices minor errors, it is way too late in the process to order a corrected run of 10 or 20 thousand decal sheets. He has a projected release date and is expecting a return on his investment based on that date. The decal manufacturer may eat a run of grossly wrong or defective decals, but not a run with a minor accuracy issues. So the decals go in the box and the boxes go out to the retailers. The aftermarket people benefit and stay in business and the kit manufacturer's sales are not greatly affected. Marc's points about the marking inaccuracies are correctly addressed to modelers, to whom the inaccuracies are an issue. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:11:43 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning Message-ID: <000701c25f81$e6e9d820$c24d510c@oemcomputer> Thanks Alan but I'm afraid it was sent via UPS. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Wright" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:43 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: GreatModel Webstore Warning > Courtney, > > Contact your local post office. Ask them what you need to do to report > this to a postal inspector. Those guus don't screw around. You'll get > results. > > Allan > > > > > List: > > > > This is a warning about dealing with GreatModel Web Store. Although I have > > purchased a number of items from them through the years I have recently have > > been have a problem with them. The main problem (although not the only one) > > goes like this; A aircraft kit was sent with a nearly empty box. Only the > > instructions and decals were included! I called and they told me that if I > > returned the box they would send out a replacement. Which I did. Now they > > tell me that they never shipped the kit to me in the first place and I must > > have receive the kit from someone else!! They tell me this even though > > their shipping invoice states clearly that it was shipped and my CC charged. > > I will be pursuing this with my CC Company and whatever I else I need to. > > > > Just though I would warn everyone. Has anyone else had a problem with > > them?? > > > > Courtney Allen > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ === > Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org > ============================================================================ === > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:39:04 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: sort of back...... Message-ID: In a message dated 9/18/02 1:37:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl writes: << Hah! You put that flamingo with Zepp on the cover! Cool! Cheers! G. >> Hey- the museum asked for that! I had nothing to do with the design of the cover- the graphics department asked for certain images, and I supplied them....... That odd painting was a surprise hit.......I thought it would get more giggles than any other reaction. But- it does look kind of cool! RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:39:01 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Crowood Nieuport Book plus other stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 9/18/02 5:28:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ghunter@wpgenterprises.ca writes: << I haven't noticed any posts about this book yet. Saw it listed at: http://www.aeroplanebooks.com Any word on what this one is like... Graham >> The July/August Windsock reviews it, and it's pretty positive. No profiles or plans, but 250 well-reproed and well captioned photos, and text that clears clears up many old myths (the review doesn't specify any of these). Sounds like it ought to please the pathologic Nieuport Nut. The other stuff: I got my hands on the last two Windsocks only last Sunday, having fallen behind in nearly every aspect of my life, but late as these may be, I had to make some comments on the contents! May/June has Alberto's beautiful 1/72 Nieuport monoplane, as delicate and precise as a hummingbird skull. The fittings where the wires join the wings make me sick! This is another model that explains why I rarely get involved in scale wars. July/August...Lance the Lunatic's 1/48 Felixstowe.Are there functional pigeons involved? What a grueling campaign it must've been to finish this masterpiece. These two models are worth the price for these two Windsocks. Dazzling work. And yesterday I received the new WW I Aero that has the Great Landoni's Salmson, which Alberto mentioned recently. I haven't begun to really digest this obsessive thing yet. Jim- if you're out there in digest land- be careful lest somebody reports you to the authorities and you find yourself in a small, comfortable room with no sharp corners, fed on a soft, bland diet that needs no hrad edged tools to eat. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:39:02 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: sort of back...... Message-ID: <154.1455453e.2aba92c6@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/02 5:23:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Jasta11@pdq.net writes: << I'd rather see a cheesy scan of you in a necktie! Kidding aside, congrats on the debut. We all are proud of one of our own. Only wish I could have made the party. - John >> Actually, the cheese table was rather well stocked............ Don't think I didn't do a little proselytizing for the List and site. Folks would ask about the lozenge on the big Fokker painting, and I'd work in something about a world wide conspiracy of people who devote untold hours of their lives studying things like this, and if they would like to know more, check out the site. I didn't have much time to wield my camera that night, but I made a few photo sweeps through the event- and my WW I List button lives on my camera neck strap. At least two people said "Hey- neat button". RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:56:45 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=FCE?= To: "WWI List" Subject: pictures Message-ID: <003f01c25f88$309d4780$7126e818@fibertel.com.ar> Dear listees; I've been put en Rogues Gallery thanks to Allen &Matt. Now you can know me,there's a detail,I'm the one up;the one down isn't Mr. Ed, and it doesn't build models and doesn't speak; ( Gracias a dios) but it has known how to be my critic; when he doesn't like a model,it destroyes them, Guahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! The picture was really with my Bristol Fighter from AURORA which is the aeroplane that I kept from when I was a kid,really it isn't very well built and it's worsely painted with tempera but it was one of the first ones. As you could see I was about to get down when my horse torn it from my hands and sent it directly to the floor. Well!!!!!!!!!!at least it didn't step on. I hate its' opinions!!!!!!! Cordially Martín H. Afflitto Echagüe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:29:38 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: IPMS USA_ Region II Message-ID: <3D8944A1.3D7DE630@earthlink.net> Mike Muth wrote: > Karen > We'll be at Comfort Inn. Any idea of when things are happening on Sat? > Margaret and I are looking forward to flea market. We'll meet you and anyone > else for lunch. Mike Kendix will be judging so can't make it for lunch. I'm not sure yet where I'm staying. I should roll in probably about 4 or 5 pm Friday. The Regional has a website at http://www.ipmsdc.org/region2/ but it doesn't give any schedule. Doors will probably open about 9 am on Saturday and the vendors should be up and running by Friday evening. Let's meet at the registration table (wherever that is) at, say, 12:30pm on Sat--that should give us time enough to spend lots of cash in the morning. Save enough for lunch :-) Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:55:59 -0500 From: "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> To: Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft Message-ID: <007801c25fa1$3b8db030$d96231cc@1100hede34cauq> Oh no, not this again!.... Larry if you're out there I never did get this book from Walmart. I got the "Air Aces of the A-H Empre" but not the other. Walmart lists things as in-stock when they aren't and then says they are "processing" your order for a few weeks until they finally admit they don't have it...ah ja... Paul Hederer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:30:39 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <003a01c25fa6$f2c805c0$84ea79a5@s0024008072> > On Wednesday 18 September 2002 19:53, you wrote: > > Even with its faults, I will probably still buy it. > > I agree. The "faults" are very minor and similar errors exist in many of the > kits we buy. > > Cheers --- Larry > Y'know, with the quality of the Nie.11, and since you can do a 16 and 17, I suggest that you get several, and get the Americal/Gryphon MS,N,SPA 3 sheet - lots of nice alternatives there. Now if only Eduard could get them 1/48 Camels here... And maybe a nice Fokker D.VII.... DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:48:12 +0100 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org, faasig , Subject: OT flying... Message-ID: This coming weekend is the air display at RNAS Yeovilton in southwest UK. Looking at their Web site http://yeoviltonairday.co.uk it looks like they intend fling a Nieuport 17 and a Sopwith Triplane. Phwoar!!!!! Get there if you can, the more modern stuff with big round engines is always good value. I shall try to maintain standards and ignore all the modern blowlamps.... N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:07:15 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: re: sort of back...... Message-ID: I looked all through Roberts site, and couldn't find the Flamingo, from the small pic it looks gorgeous, not surprised you like it G, birds are nicer than Zeppelins! It must be authentic too, the Zeppelins must have gone down into flamingo and palm country sometimes. Would that be California? If so I'm coming! /Neil C. > << > Hah! > You put that flamingo with Zepp on the cover! Cool! > > Cheers! > G. >> > > Hey- the museum asked for that! I had nothing to do with the > design of the > cover- the graphics department asked for certain images, and > I supplied > them....... That odd painting was a surprise hit.......I > thought it would get > more giggles than any other reaction. But- it does look kind of cool! > RK > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:16:51 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: > Neil E (Lurking) > (Heading for a deep dugout) > > PS: Diego; Things don't start hotting up until December > really - November is > still a bit too cold! > I knew it, you southerners have been bluffing the whole time, now all is revealed, November is hell in any part of the world! Except for modellers:-) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:27:31 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <007c01c25fc7$2944caa0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> In our country, hell is wherever and whenever you are! :-) Next November there is a large model show in Buenos Aires, organized by our friend Martin's club, the CMA. I won't be able to attend for some reasons... D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:18 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Re Nre Eduard Kit > > Neil E (Lurking) > > (Heading for a deep dugout) > > > > PS: Diego; Things don't start hotting up until December > > really - November is > > still a bit too cold! > > > > I knew it, you southerners have been bluffing the whole time, > now all is revealed, November is hell in any part of the world! > Except for modellers:-) > /Neil C. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:34:43 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: Yes, coming to Sweden on your honeymoon I suppose, jolly good! You'll love November here;-) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:05:15 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft Message-ID: <200209190705.15666.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Larry if you're out there I never did get this book from Walmart. I got > the "Air Aces of the A-H Empre" but not the other. Walmart lists things as > in-stock when they aren't and then says they are "processing" your order > for a few weeks until they finally admit they don't have it...ah ja... Maybe they learned this from Great Models and a couple others, who don't feel the need to have product in stock before listing it for sale. Did you see the post that Amazon has it for $69? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:11:34 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: rere: sort of back...... Message-ID: <004f01c25fcd$50bd1aa0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > It must be authentic too, > the Zeppelins must have gone down into flamingo and palm country sometimes. > Would that be California? If so I'm coming! > /Neil C. Africa I think. One of the Zepps went from Germany thorough Bulgaria with supply for besieged German forces in east/central Africa IIRC. L-59? G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:39:50 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: pictures Message-ID: <01a001c25fd1$43b600c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Che Martín! > I've been put en Rogues Gallery thanks to Allen > &Matt. All I can say after seeing this picture is "poor horse"! > The picture was really with my Bristol Fighter from AURORA which is the > aeroplane that I kept from when I was a kid,really it isn't very well built > and it's > worsely painted with tempera I've seen the brisfit on the flesh and I must say that I liked it and I'm glad it was still in one piece. Regarding the tempera painting, just remember that the original Ansaldo Balilla at GAVS has its wing camo painted with temperas as well! So I guess it's sort of OT after all. au revoir D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:39:09 -0500 From: "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> To: Subject: Re: Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft Message-ID: <001001c25fd1$2d34e500$de6231cc@1100hede34cauq> Larry, Thanks, yes I did...but I think I'll hold out for an older edition (I have the ISBN) and try to get a copy with the color plates (that's the one Walmart supposedly had.) I'd sure like to have those color plates....sure like to have that book....sure like... :0 Paul Hederer > > > Larry if you're out there I never did get this book from Walmart. I got > > the "Air Aces of the A-H Empre" but not the other. Walmart lists things as > > in-stock when they aren't and then says they are "processing" your order > > for a few weeks until they finally admit they don't have it...ah ja... > > Maybe they learned this from Great Models and a couple others, who don't feel > the need to have product in stock before listing it for sale. Did you see > the post that Amazon has it for $69? > > Cheers --- Larry > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:50:41 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Myths about nieuports Message-ID: <01ae01c25fd2$c7768780$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Robert K. wrote: > The July/August Windsock reviews it, and it's pretty positive. No profiles or > plans, but 250 well-reproed and well captioned photos, and text that clears > clears up many old myths (the review doesn't specify any of these). There are a number of myths regarding nieuport aircraft: - If you repeat the word "Nieuport" five times in front of a mirror, you'll see Matt's face reflected on it. - It is said that the Nieuport wing spars were made of gold. - Nieuport 11s were not "real" babies after all. - Howard Hugues didn't flew a Nieuport 24 bis when he died. - There is no know Nieuport escadrille rising from Loch Ness each friday night. - Those things on the Nieuport 17 upper wing are not nipples. > Sounds like it ought to please the pathologic Nieuport Nut. You mean who? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:04:49 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Re Nre Eduard Kit Message-ID: <01ce01c25fd4$c0f0b0a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil from the Continent Island wrote: > Messr. Chassard makes some interesting observations re the new Eduard kit > and displays his breadth of knowledge re N.3 and its markings. However, we > don't see him in his announcement offering his knowledge to Eduard to fix > this problem in any way. In the first place, I doubt that any kit manufacturer would have contacted him nor other specilist in particular. Model manufacturers usually rely on published references, and since market considerations dictate that research must be fast and cheap, I doubt that they would spend too much on accuracy issues. Just the basics to make the repackage worthwhile and up they go with the new product. Marc's remarks (repeat this 5 times) are very useful for us and for those realy concerned with accuracy and they are welcome. But I think that even if Eduard were aware of them, they would have kept things like they are. > I don't want to start anything here, I'm just disappointed (and maybe > idealistic) that someone with an obvious breadth of knowledge can't be more > constructive with it. Maybe if Marc's book become a success of sales, he can write more and publish more often, so his knowledge will be accesible to model manufacturers and their customers alike. And what a fun day will that be. > PS: Diego; Things don't start hotting up until December really - November is > still a bit too cold! Yes but sometimes there are some warm days down here. Still bearable, at least! D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4655 **********************