WWI Digest 4650 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Novice Nieuport-questions by "Ken McMahon" 2) Re: Ceramic Wire,. . .again by SSH 3) RE: Ceramic Wire,. . .again by "Graham Hunter" 4) Re Eindekker Colours by "NEIL EDDY" 5) RE: Ceramic Wire,. . .again by "ibs4421" 6) Re: Novice Nieuport-questions by Steven Perry 7) WW1 Modeller's Site: Was: Eindekker Colours by "NEIL EDDY" 8) Re: WW1 Modeller's Site: Was: Eindekker Colours by Steven Perry 9) Re: WW1 Modeller's Site: Was: Eindekker Colours by "ibs4421" 10) Re: Re Eindekker Colours by "ibs4421" 11) Hi Tech Kits by "bruce simard" 12) Re: Hi Tech Kits by Karen Rychlewski 13) Civil List 25 Published by "African Aviation Slide Service" 14) IPMS USA Region II: was/ Hi Tech Kits by "Michael Kendix" 15) Re: Hi Tech Kits by CAUhlir@aol.com 16) RE: CSM Lohner BII by "Nigel Rayner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:56:15 -0400 From: "Ken McMahon" To: Subject: Novice Nieuport-questions Message-ID: <001101c25c5b$2d2cdf50$b53ed543@Ken> Hi all, The Nie.17 is coming along nicely. I finished the engine and painted it today and it looks like it does in the pictures that I found (thanks to Mike Fletcher for suggesting that there might be color shots of the LeRhone on the web--there are. Who woulda thunk it?) I have run into one problem. After thinning the upper wing, it has developed an amazing amount of dihedral. I would have expected this with wood, but not plastic. I would like to know if anyone has figured a way to flatten this back out? The wing is very flexible, so is it possible to pull this back into shape when I attempt to rig the plane? Question 2--How were the ailerons connected and controlled? I can see the horns on the elevator in the material I have, but the same material leads me to think that there was some sort of internal mechanism in the wings as I see no external cables or control horns. Is this correct, or did I miss something? Question 3--I have been reading something about using MEK as a plastic cement. Has anyone had any experience with this stuff. Last question for the evening--What, if any, are the advantages to a resin kit? This is really new to me; the last time I attempted a plastic kit there was no such thing as a resin kit ( I couldn't have afforded one anyway), but it looks like if I want to build a Dolphin, this may be the way I have to go. Thanks--Ken McMahon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:33:45 -0400 From: SSH To: Subject: Re: Ceramic Wire,. . .again Message-ID: <20020915023108.625EA690BCE@mail.mailsnare.net> Warren, I dont know the actual composition of the stuff, but I think it is more of a fibre than a metal wire. It is not malleable, though it can be flexed. Flexed beyond a point, it simply breaks or shatters. And ceramic does not necessarily imply brittle kiln fired stuff. The plastic flexible magnets (eg, the ones they give away as freebies) are ceramic magnets. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:38:50 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Ceramic Wire,. . .again Message-ID: <000101c25c61$06c126e0$770101c0@ghunter> Warren, It is really more ceramic fibre than wire. Or maybe a better discription would be ceramic rod. If you were to take a short (say 2 inches) piece and smash it with a hammer you would get a bunch of slivers (or fibres)less than two inches. Now I have not actually done this and highly recommend that NO ONE tries to do this, I am just speculating what would happen from what I have seen when cutting the stuff. The stuff is suprisingly flexible, obviously you can not bend it at a sharp angle or even kink it. If the length is cut just right you will not get any sag or bowing. I highly recommend WOW (Wonder Wire) for non functional rigging. Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:37:12 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re Eindekker Colours Message-ID: <001101c25c60$cc8b6b20$4b5132d2@default> Thanks Julian; That Eindekker is very nice. I liked the riffling on the cowl particularly. Also had a look at some of his other WW1 models on his site - the Navratil Albatros is very well finished, and he has made it look suitably 'worn'. Also these are very well photographed models indeed. They're all worth a good look I think. Does anyone know this guy? All the Best Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:51:52 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: Ceramic Wire,. . .again Message-ID: <008301c25c62$d8b842e0$97e51442@dwfjv01> . I highly recommend WOW (Wonder Wire) for non functional > rigging. Graham & Sanjeev, Thanks! Your explanation go a long way towards helping me understand the nature of this stuff, in addition to what application it would and would not be suited for. I take it that WOW is the stuff people are getting from that fellow up in New England? Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:52:19 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Novice Nieuport-questions Message-ID: <3D83F5E3.2010203@tampabay.rr.com> > I have run into one problem. After thinning the upper wing, it has > developed an amazing amount of dihedral. I would have expected this with > wood, but not plastic. I would like to know if anyone has figured a way to > flatten this back out? The wing is very flexible, so is it possible to pull > this back into shape when I attempt to rig the plane? Ken: You may be able to bend it back in shape. Support it well between your fingers and simply bend opposite of the excessive dihedral. You can heat it if just bending won't do. First, try warming both sides near a 100 watt bulb and repeat the finger bending. If that won't work, you can heat it with hot water or a hair dryer. The idea is to heat evenly and slowly . Have a flat cool surface to slap the hot plastic on. You'll be rid of the bend you don't want. > Question 2--How were the ailerons connected and controlled? I can see > the horns on the elevator in the material I have, but the same material > leads me to think that there was some sort of internal mechanism in the > wings as I see no external cables or control horns. Is this correct, or did > I miss something? Correct Ken. Nieuport ailerons were operated by spanwuse torque tubes. These were rotated by crank levers in the center section of the top wing. These levers were actuated by rods that came up through the fuselage from the control stick. > Question 3--I have been reading something about using MEK as a plastic > cement. Has anyone had any experience with this stuff. Heavy duty stuff. Not recommended for general use. > Last question for the evening--What, if any, are the advantages to a > resin kit? This is really new to me; the last time I attempted a plastic kit > there was no such thing as a resin kit ( I couldn't have afforded one > anyway), but it looks like if I want to build a Dolphin, this may be the way > I have to go. The biggest advantage of resin is that it is much cheaper to produce than injection molded. That allows limited runs of subjects that will never be issued as injected kits. Similar niche to vacs when they first came out. Resin kits can have detail rivaling injected and generally superior in the areas of thin flying surfaces and fuselage shells. They have to be glued with CA, they sand and clean up a little differently and many times you will have to fill stray air bubbles and /or replace small parts. They generally require a lighter touch than injected kits and do not respond well to excessive heat. Some folks likes 'em, some folks don't. hth sp > Thanks--Ken McMahon > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:55:01 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: WW1 Modeller's Site: Was: Eindekker Colours Message-ID: <001f01c25c63$497f6a80$4b5132d2@default> Hi All; I've just been having a closer look at the site Julian posted earlier. This is Andreas Martin's site, who is of course a member of this esteemed gathering. These two DH-2's are my favourites so far... http://members.fortunecity.de/xahmx/bildseiten/bild_england/dh2_2.htm http://members.fortunecity.de/xahmx/bildseiten/bild_england/dh2_1.htm Andreas' gallery listings.... http://members.fortunecity.de/xahmx/gallerie.htm and site address... http://members.fortunecity.de/xahmx/index.htm I hope I'm not re-inventing the wheel here but it seems there are some who haven't seen these great models... Andreas...Hat's Off! All the Best Neil E (Southern Cell) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:05:51 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WW1 Modeller's Site: Was: Eindekker Colours Message-ID: <3D83F90F.5000904@tampabay.rr.com> Outstanding work! I like his very clean style of finish. Very nice models. sp > These two DH-2's are my favourites so far... > > http://members.fortunecity.de/xahmx/bildseiten/bild_england/dh2_2.htm > > http://members.fortunecity.de/xahmx/bildseiten/bild_england/dh2_1.htm > > Andreas' gallery listings.... > > http://members.fortunecity.de/xahmx/gallerie.htm > > and site address... > > http://members.fortunecity.de/xahmx/index.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:10:44 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: WW1 Modeller's Site: Was: Eindekker Colours Message-ID: <009101c25c65$7b94d940$97e51442@dwfjv01> Beautiful models Andreas! I am sorry for not having been to your site before. For that matter there is a lot of the work of list members I have not seen, simply due to the fact that I often don't have time to cruise a lot of the net. The talent of this group never cease to amaze or inspire me. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:11:44 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Re Eindekker Colours Message-ID: <009701c25c65$9f2a5880$97e51442@dwfjv01> Neal sez: "I liked the riffling on the cowl particularly." Me too, how did you accomplish that effect Andreas? Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:42:58 -0400 From: "bruce simard" To: Subject: Hi Tech Kits Message-ID: <001301c25c72$5e5d5fc0$823aaf3f@22by501> Magnus Wrote: > I know that you donīt consider 1/48 kits as a new and exiting news thing, > but I recieved a mail that Hi Tech would release a Gotha in 1/48. This > would be th kit of my dreams. How is the Hi Tech AEG? Magnus, Granted, I'm not a modeler who worries about each little mm in dimensions, or the diameter of the Pilot's relief tube as far as details. The Hi Tech kits in my opinion are average at best. They are definitely not Eduard or Hasegawa, there will be a bit of work for you here. Truthfully, it depends how much you want an AEG.(or Gotha) I have the GIV. It did have some warpage on the wings, but this took me 5 minutes with hot water to take care of. Plus I received mine at a decent price. If you don't mind a little model work, I suggest you have at it. Since most of my pleasure comes from the actual construction, I don't feel they are all that bad. Plus the fact you won't see too many built up at your average conventions. And speaking of new 1/48th kits, Thanks to Earl at NKR, I just received the Special Hobby Spad VII ! Although I seldom model in 1/48th, this kit is not bad. As far as comparison to plans, I haven't had time yet, but it looks like a Spad VII. The overall quality reminds me of earlier MPM like molds.The wings are nice and thin, with subtle ribbing. 3 Decal options - Guynemer with N3 ? (Spa 3), Lenoir with N23 (Spa23), and di Calabria with 91 Squadriglia. The cockpit area is a resin and PE assembly that is then trapped in the fuselage. There is some flash, but not bad. The poorest parts I can see immediately are the struts. So that I can live with easily. Overall, seems like a nice kit, and one with tremendous markings possibilities. Anyone else have this new toy ? What is your take on the kit ? We can always use another WWI manufacturer !.................................Bruce. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:47:36 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hi Tech Kits Message-ID: <3D841EF8.B467BF1B@earthlink.net> bruce simard wrote about the subject and also the Special Hobby Spad VII: Yo, Bruce--bet ya thought I was fast asleep already :-) What's happened? You--buying 1/48 kits?? I think something just froze over. Bring the kit to Hermitage next Saturday and I'll buy you lunch--give the kit to me and I'll throw in dessert... Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:20:07 +0200 From: "African Aviation Slide Service" To: wwi@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Civil List 25 Published Message-ID: <3D830D57.5786.403B97@localhost> African Aviation Slide Service. Top quality original Kodachrome Slides and Colour Prints for sale. Greetings Slide Collectors, We are pleased to announce the publication of our Civil Slide List no. 25 which contains 50 slides of airliners and commuters. We have images of all of our available slides and prints on our web site at http://www.afavia-fotos.co.za If you do not have access to our web site we will e-mail our current lists to you on request. If you do not wish to receive any further e-mail notifications from us, please send us an e-mail with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject and we will permanently remove your address from our list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:25:19 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: IPMS USA Region II: was/ Hi Tech Kits Message-ID: >From: Karen Rychlewski > >Bring the kit to Hermitage next Saturday and I'll buy you lunch--give >the >kit to me and I'll throw in dessert... Bruce: Are you coming to the Region II IPMS event in Hagerstown, Maryland on September 27/28? AFAIK, listees, Sanjeeve Hirve, Karen Rychlewski and Greg Balzer are going. Anyone else? Should be a nice time - they have a boat load who've bought tables to sell stuff. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:34:55 EDT From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hi Tech Kits Message-ID: <133.1446c6fd.2ab61ebf@aol.com> my review of the AEG is up on the Squadron site. Hope it helps Candice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:03:32 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: CSM Lohner BII Message-ID: <000001c25cea$95a33900$983bedc1@w1o0t3> sp asked: > My question to the Lohner builders. Is this a particularly hard model to > build? The kit is good. Steve, I'm certainly not building one of them - nice kit but waaay to com;licated for me! However, there is a great build article on the CSM Lohner in the current Scale Aviation Modeller International (Vol 8 issue 9). This article has 55 pictures of the build, so it would be very helpful for anyone contemplating this bird. The build is excellent quality and the finished model looks superb, well worth the effort. His biggest challenge was the wheels, overall conclusion is that it is a difficult but buildable kit. As he says, the original was complex. So I'd recommend tracking down a copy of SAMI. The builder is Nicholas Wigman BTW. He ought to be on the list! Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4650 **********************