WWI Digest 4632 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Red Baron on XP by "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> 2) Re: Red Baron on XP by "Ross Moorhouse" 3) re: "New" French Aviation Magazine "Air Magazine" by Volker Haeusler 4) re: ...And finally some new models... by Volker Haeusler 5) Re: Albatros D.II final solution! by "iban" 6) Re: Albatros D.II final solution! by "Shane Weier" 7) More On-Topic now at SANDLE Hobbies by SANDLE Hobbies 8) Dragon Fokker Dr.I by "Fraser" 9) RE: Dragon Fokker Dr.I by "Pedro N. Soares" 10) Whoops! by "ibs4421" 11) =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6rings_hobby?= by Crawford Neil 12) =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= by "Diego Fernetti" 13) =?iso-8859-2?Q?re:_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 14) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_Re=3A_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= by Crawford Neil 15) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_re=3A_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= by Crawford Neil 16) =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_RE:_=5BWWI=5D_Re:_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= by "Diego Fernetti" 17) =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_re:_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= by "Diego Fernetti" 18) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_Re=3A_=5BWWI=5D_RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D?= by "Pedro N. Soares" 19) tiny trains by "Diego Fernetti" 20) RE: tiny trains by Crawford Neil 21) Re: After the battle by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 22) RE: tiny trains by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Re: After the battle by "Diego Fernetti" 24) RE: tiny trains by Crawford Neil 25) Propellers was: After the battle by Steven Perry 26) RE: tiny trains by "Diego Fernetti" 27) RE: tiny trains by Crawford Neil 28) tolkien by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Re: Propellers was: After the battle by "Diego Fernetti" 30) G.V - structural question by "Michael Kendix" 31) RE: tolkien by Crawford Neil 32) Re:Graves/ was tolkien by "Michael Kendix" 33) Bristol F.2B - any Soviet RSC examples? by "Michael Kendix" 34) RE: tiny trains by "Shane Weier" 35) RE: tolkien by "Diego Fernetti" 36) Re:Graves/ was tolkien by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:27:47 -0500 From: "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> To: Subject: Re: Red Baron on XP Message-ID: <004801c2552b$77303d40$b06231cc@x1a2i2> RB will work, though it may take you some work.... Paul Hederer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:32:04 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Red Baron on XP Message-ID: <002b01c2552c$0faf64b0$1b4e2dcb@FUTURE> Also make sure you have the latest version of DX from Microsoft. DX8.1 Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Red Baron on XP > > > RB will work, though it may take you some work.... > > Paul Hederer > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:29:45 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: "New" French Aviation Magazine "Air Magazine" Message-ID: Grzegorz, > Volker! > Is there anything about Bre 27 or Cierva in the Spanish Civil War? > The Cierva article has (amongst others) three Spanish C. 30´s depicted, including one with SCW Republican markings. Nothing on the (sole?) Breguet 27 in Spain... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:31:48 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: ...And finally some new models... Message-ID: Grezgorz, > > > include some interesting new models like the AH Knoller C II etc. > > Really? Finally! > I must call my "Polish contact" > BTW, do you know that Luedemanns are made in Poland? At least > some of them. > Do you have any address on the instruction sheets? > Cheers! > G. > Yes, Luedemann´s "plant" is in Poland (he himself lives in Eastern Germany), and they´re actually all done there. The instructions and packing, as well as the decals for those later models, are done by Detlef Schorsch, so they´re only available through him (but then there are scannners...). BTW, The latest models have really restricted instructions only - not much more than a threeview and one or two photos, no real instructions included... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:02:04 -0400 From: "iban" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution! Message-ID: <014901c25551$cdb68cc0$0bd9fea9@eis> to add a twist to all this, where do... 1. increased u.v. radiation (from operating at altitude), and 2. increased oxidation (from airflow), factor into the equation? re the u.v. factor, has anyone noticed fotos with bottom panels in presumably the same finish being a distinctly different shade than side or upper panels? are there any photos where shadow can be ruled out? i know u.v. damage is a cause for concern in modern aircraft, but maybe pre "holes-in-the-ozone-layer" and before modern composites, these things didn't matter so much... re oxidation, i would guess the area behind the spinner wouldn't have near the exposure that surrounding areas would, and that this would be a significant and noticable effect. but i would have thot increased o2 would *lighten* either raw or finished wood, not darken it? so this seems to be the opposite than i would expect. just thinking out loud--the whole thing strikes me as an interesting question..... cheers, iban. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Krieg" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Albatros D.II final solution! > John - > > I am inclined to agree about the stain, which is why I started the > thread. But I can't find any accounts, from any period, that report an > unpainted fuselage to be anything other than "yellow". Can you? > > Grezgorz - > > The foremost wooden fuselage former, drilled with lightening holes, is > visible when the spinner or the front cowl pieces are removed. You can > see this, in model form, at the address below, though the modeler has > selected a color scheme that tends to refute my assertation. But it is > not an oil cooler. > > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Verlhac/CP/albd5_1.jpg > > Greg - > > You are certainly right about the graying of unprotected woods, though > this is likely to take longer than the life expectancy of any WWI plane. > And I would fully expect that the tail skid would be treated to the > same protective coatings as all the other exterior wood. > > As John says, it's something of a Dicta Ira situation... but then, > isn't everything? I would rather solicit the opinions of folks with an > interest in these matters and see if perhaps we can uncover some new > evidence than automatically assume that either the "traditional" or the > "revisionist" theories are to be accepted without consideration. > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:08:15 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution! Message-ID: Iban asks: >i know >u.v. damage is a cause for concern in modern aircraft, but maybe pre >"holes-in-the-ozone-layer" and before modern composites, these things >didn't >matter so much... I'd imagine that uv damage would *always* be higher on the top than on the bottom given the propensity of pilots to store their aircraft on the ground topside uppermost and for the sun to shine downwards....... ....except in these southern locations...... .....and any added degradation due to UV at altitude would be a negligibly small increase at most Shane _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:38:56 +1000 From: SANDLE Hobbies To: WW1 posts Subject: More On-Topic now at SANDLE Hobbies Message-ID: <3D782350.9000503@sandlehobbies.com> Hi guys, In addition to the on-topic ships we carry, we've just added Tom's Modelworks products to our range!! We're also carrying Modelart Australia - Australia's only commercial modelling magazine. And don't forget Shane the Elder's Fire sale at http://sandlehobbies.com/ww1bits.html Remember all prices are in Australian dollars and there are bargains to be had. Cheers Lorna Jenkins SANDLE Hobbies http://sandlehobbies.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:17:01 +0200 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Dragon Fokker Dr.I Message-ID: <000c01c2555c$43ddb270$fe78a8c0@pc145681> Morning all, There's an 'ole in my collection... I need a Manly scale Dr.I. I know Dragon Do (did) one. But can I find one? Hannant's -no. Squadron - no. I had hoped for Hannants as I've got to go to the UK later this week to retrieve my motorcycle, and had hoped to pick one up. Anyone know somrthing I don't here?? One of the local shops has got the Revell giant economy size beast, but it probably wouldn't fit on my shelf, and I'd feel *so* obligated to go mad on detail... Cheers F ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:44:32 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Dragon Fokker Dr.I Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301FD496C@TUFAO> > -----Original Message----- > From: Fraser [mailto:fraserinprague@volny.cz] > Sent: sexta-feira, 6 de Setembro de 2002 5:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Dragon Fokker Dr.I > > > Morning all, > There's an 'ole in my collection... I need a Manly scale > Dr.I. I know Dragon > Do (did) one. But can I find one? Hannant's -no. Squadron - > no. Get an Eduard one, and display it behind a 1.5 magnifier. ;-))))) Safe trip to the UK, mate. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 04:42:46 -0500 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Whoops! Message-ID: <002e01c25589$c1e84360$54e51442@dwfjv01> whoops! Sorry 'bout that last one, wrong wwi address. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:12:42 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6rings_hobby?= Message-ID: A friend on the Stockholm site found this picture of Göring busy modelling (well sort of): http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/forum/sv/article.asp?data=9675168522_~d_20020905_084438_~t_Herman_G@246rings_hobby_~a_Stefan_Svensson.xml Stefan says that it's his "famous" Märklin train setup. New to me. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:24:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= Message-ID: <006801c2558f$9ba8a400$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I've seen a cartoon made by Udet showing a fat, sweaty Hermann making more and more model airplanes in a workshop, in reference to the rapid growth of the Luftwaffen in the 30s. By the way, Neil, what does it mean "Va lustigt!"? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:14 AM Subject: [WWI] Görings hobby > > A friend on the Stockholm site found this picture of > Göring busy modelling (well sort of): > > http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/forum/sv/article.asp?data=9675168522_~d_2002090 5_084438_~t_Herman_G@246rings_hobby_~a_Stefan_Svensson.xml > > Stefan says that it's his "famous" Märklin train setup. > New to me. > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:29:59 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?re:_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= Message-ID: <00b901c25590$5a232720$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > A friend on the Stockholm site found this picture of > Göring busy modelling (well sort of): Pity he's not alive. He could help Karen in her WWI flatcar problem. G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:32:39 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_Re=3A_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= Message-ID: Va lustigt = how strange Couldn't think of anything better to say! I had no idea Herman was into this kind of thing, perhaps it was just propaganda? /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:34:36 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_re=3A_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= Message-ID: > Pity he's not alive. He could help Karen in her WWI flatcar problem. > G. Not sure it's a pity, but if he was, I've a much more important question to ask, about Voss.......... /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:39:16 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_RE:_=5BWWI=5D_Re:_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= Message-ID: <008201c25591$a6072460$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Maybe he needed the model trains to steal tiny paintings from France and Netherlands and Italy. Perhaps stamp collections? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: [WWI] Re: [WWI] Görings hobby > Va lustigt = how strange > > Couldn't think of anything better to say! > I had no idea Herman was into this kind of thing, > perhaps it was just propaganda? > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:42:22 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_re:_=5BWWI=5D_G=F6rings_hobby?= Message-ID: <008e01c25592$15355c80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Grzes! > Pity he's not alive. Well, I'm quite glad that he's very dead and enjoying the weather at the lowest of hells. > Karen in her WWI flatcar problem. What does she needs? D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:44:51 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_Re=3A_=5BWWI=5D_RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D?= Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301FD4AD9@TUFAO> > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: sexta-feira, 6 de Setembro de 2002 11:39 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: [WWI] RE: [WWI] Re: [WWI] Görings hobby > > > Maybe he needed the model trains to steal tiny paintings from > France and > Netherlands and Italy. Perhaps stamp collections? > D. > ---- Or maybe he was thinking how many poor souls he could stuff into each wagon..... P. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:01:41 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: tiny trains Message-ID: <00a401c25594$c82cdfa0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> gosh this thread turned bitter and it's no one's fault. Makes you think that even when the young men who fought in WW1 were heroes in their time, that doesn't mean that apart from their military prowess they could be very bad people. I always wonder what would have become of ole Manfred if he would have survived after 1918. It may have been quite hard for him to find a place in the post war Germany. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:54:49 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: tiny trains Message-ID: It often does as soon as Goering gets involved. Treacherous ground indeed! About MvR, who knows? People said of Mannock that had he survived, he could have been a Prime Minister for the Labour party. Fonck survived, looked like he would have a brilliant future, but then screwed up in WW2. I wonder which one of them actually was most successful post WW1, and what is success anyway? /Neil C. > gosh this thread turned bitter and it's no one's fault. > Makes you think that even when the young men who fought in > WW1 were heroes > in their time, that doesn't mean that apart from their > military prowess they > could be very bad people. I always wonder what would have > become of ole > Manfred if he would have survived after 1918. It may have > been quite hard > for him to find a place in the post war Germany. > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:59:16 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: After the battle Message-ID: <3D789894.DCEF451B@tac.com.au> Diego Fernetti wrote: > > It may have been quite hard > for him to find a place in the post war Germany. One of the best evocations of the displacement felt by fighter pilots in post-war Europe is, suprisingly enough, in the book "High Road to China". As well as some great desciptions about flying Biffs :-) Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:03:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: tiny trains Message-ID: <011201c2559d$6cc0db40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sure proves how far reaching is the evil that spawned in WW1. The Great War sure forged great artists and institutions like the UN were originated by the need of the world for some kind of place to discuss international matters, wich I guess werre impossible or unseen before 1914. For the individuals who fought, it seems to have been an experience so big and overwhelming that it changed the world upside down. The most succesful WW1 veteran was Rin-tin-tin! (hey I'm joking) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" > It often does as soon as Goering gets involved. > Treacherous ground indeed! About MvR, who knows? > People said of Mannock that had he survived, > he could have been a Prime Minister for the Labour party. > Fonck survived, looked like he would have a brilliant > future, but then screwed up in WW2. I wonder which one > of them actually was most successful post WW1, and what > is success anyway? > /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:06:11 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: After the battle Message-ID: <011c01c2559d$caa48040$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Wasn't Cecil Lewis also employed in China after WW1? BTW, I read yesterday that surplus propellers were sold in 1919/20 for some pences as firewood. Gulp! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Lorna Jenkins" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: After the battle > Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > > It may have been quite hard > > for him to find a place in the post war Germany. > > One of the best evocations of the displacement felt by fighter pilots in > post-war Europe is, suprisingly enough, in the book "High Road to > China". As well as some great desciptions about flying Biffs :-) > > Lorna > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:07:37 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: tiny trains Message-ID: > The most succesful WW1 veteran was Rin-tin-tin! (hey I'm joking) > D. > Who/what was Rin-tin-tin? I did think of one who was very "successful" post war. Eddy Rickenbacker started up Eastern Airlines (I think), his company did quite well! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:24:04 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Propellers was: After the battle Message-ID: <3D789E64.1060206@tampabay.rr.com> Diego Fernetti wrote: > Wasn't Cecil Lewis also employed in China after WW1? > BTW, I read yesterday that surplus propellers were sold in 1919/20 for some > pences as firewood. Gulp! > D. My Grandfather told me of handling crates of propellers at Air Production Center #2. Additionally each DH.4 Liberty plane fuselage was shipped in 2 crates. The forward section had the engine installed and a cut off four bladed prop mounted that was also part of the crate. It formed a supporting X on the front end of he crate. As for post-war firewood, he also helped pile up and burn the unassembled DH.4s that were left over. This was the famous "Billion Dollar Bonfire". It rather disgusted him. One of the things they did with the sawed off props was to make jewelry boxes out of cross sections. I found the decendent of another 649th vet when we were discussing our Grandfathers service and we both had prop jewelry boxes in the family. For a photo of the box check: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/jbox.jpg I'm gonna wheedle that box out of my sister if it's the last thing I do ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:26:15 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: tiny trains Message-ID: <013801c255a0$aa889000$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! > Who/what was Rin-tin-tin? Please check http://us.imdb.com/Name?Tin+Tin,+Rin > I did think of one who was very "successful" post war. Eddy Rickenbacker > started up Eastern Airlines (I think), his company did quite well! J.R.R. Tolkien and Buster Keaton were vets too. Now my mind can't recall any other names, but sure are hundreds D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:33:25 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: tiny trains Message-ID: Aha , a dog, early version of Lassie? Rin-tin-tin is one of those things I've heard of without ever knowing what it was. Thanks. I'd say Tolkien was the most successful of them all. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 6 september 2002 14:26 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: tiny trains > > > Neil! > > Who/what was Rin-tin-tin? > > Please check http://us.imdb.com/Name?Tin+Tin,+Rin > > > I did think of one who was very "successful" post war. Eddy > Rickenbacker > > started up Eastern Airlines (I think), his company did quite well! > > J.R.R. Tolkien and Buster Keaton were vets too. Now my mind > can't recall any > other names, but sure are hundreds > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:54:18 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: tolkien Message-ID: <015401c255a4$83323b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > I'd say Tolkien was the most successful of them all. > /Neil C. Some people say that the scenes on the swamp of the dead are inspired by his experiences on the trenches. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:55:04 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Propellers was: After the battle Message-ID: <015a01c255a4$9eee2580$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > For a photo of the box check: > http://web.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/jbox.jpg > I'm gonna wheedle that box out of my sister if it's the last thing I do ;-) What a beauty! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:56:36 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: G.V - structural question Message-ID: Am I correct in stating that the Gotha G.V fusealge was a wooden framework covered with canvas (not a wooden fuselage)? I tried to use the Part photoetch interior framework, which looked beguiling but I made a super glue mess and hadn't sanded off the kit parts aenough to make it fit nicely with the p/e. As result, I had to rip out the p/e and do my own framework. I had initially painted the entire interior in "Wood" but I now think only the framework and struttage were made of wood. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:00:27 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: tolkien Message-ID: > > Some people say that the scenes on the swamp of the dead are > inspired by his > experiences on the trenches. > D. > Some people say all sorts of things about that book, mostly nonsense, I thinks it's a good story, thats it. I think Tolkien thought the same. /Neil C (I mentioned to a botanist friend that I'd read it 20 times, he just stared and said, is that all?!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:01:20 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re:Graves/ was tolkien Message-ID: Robert Graves is a favourite author of mine. Of course, his WW1 thing is the autobiographical "Goodbye To All That". Also excellent is his "I Claudius" and somewhat interesting is his social history/commentary of Inter-War Britain "The Long Weekend" written with Alan Hodge. There is a web site dedicated to the Robert graves society: http://www.robertgraves.org/ Michael >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > I'd say Tolkien was the most successful of them all. > > /Neil C. > >Some people say that the scenes on the swamp of the dead are inspired >by >his experiences on the trenches. >D. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:04:58 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Bristol F.2B - any Soviet RSC examples? Message-ID: I am wondering whether the Britol F.2B was used by the Soviets in the Russian Civil War. I have the Mushroom Press(?) book that shows WW1 aeroplanes used by the Poles, which features the Britol F.2B. I know the Bristol F.2B was used by many different air forces following WW1, some of them used it for quite some time after too - maybe intot the 1930s. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:07:57 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: tiny trains Message-ID: >I did think of one who was very "successful" post war. Eddy >Rickenbacker >started up Eastern Airlines (I think), his company did quite well! The founders of QANTAS were WWI pilots too. Their airline is still doing quite well ;-) The same might also be said of other existing airlines but I'm not certain Shane _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:09:49 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: tolkien Message-ID: <017601c255a6$b4f3bdc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! > Some people say all sorts of things about that book, mostly nonsense, > I thinks it's a good story, thats it. I think Tolkien thought the same. I guess you're right. He was a man of vastly erudition and knew what made a good tale. > /Neil C (I mentioned to a botanist friend that I'd read it 20 times, > he just stared and said, is that all?!) I read it two times 100% and many times took it to re-read a passage or chapter again, but I could never stand the final appendixes at the end of the book. Those just bore me to death. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:12:55 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re:Graves/ was tolkien Message-ID: <018601c255a7$1d51e180$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks for the link Michael. Very interesting D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kendix" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: [WWI] Re:Graves/ was tolkien > Robert Graves is a favourite author of mine. Of course, his WW1 thing is > the autobiographical "Goodbye To All That". Also excellent is his "I > Claudius" and somewhat interesting is his social history/commentary of > Inter-War Britain "The Long Weekend" written with Alan Hodge. There is a > web site dedicated to the Robert graves society: > > http://www.robertgraves.org/ > > Michael > > > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > > I'd say Tolkien was the most successful of them all. > > > /Neil C. > > > >Some people say that the scenes on the swamp of the dead are inspired >by > >his experiences on the trenches. > >D. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4632 **********************