WWI Digest 4629

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
	by Greg West <gwest@sprynet.com>
  2) Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
	by John_Impenna@hyperion.com
  3) Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
	by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
  4) Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays
	by Eric GALLAUD <egallaud@club-internet.fr>
  5) RE:Sopwith Pup
	by "John Ernst" <jje4@earthlink.net>
  6) Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
	by "Lee M." <lemen@x25.net>
  7) Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
  8) Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
	by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
  9) Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
	by John_Impenna@hyperion.com
 10) Colour photos of the OT Russian armoured car
	by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
 11) RE:Sopwith Pup
	by "Mike Muth" <mikemuth@ptd.net>
 12) Decal solutions and other things
	by "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.castro.campos@ig.com.br>
 13) Re: Colour photos of the OT Russian armoured car
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 14) Re: Decal solutions and other things
	by "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com>
 15) Re: strip stretching
	by "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
 16) Re: New upload
	by Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 17) Re: strip stretching
	by "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
 18) Re: strip stretching
	by "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
 19) Re: strip stretching
	by "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
 20) Re: Both good and sad news
	by "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
 21) Re: Decals
	by Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 22) Re: Gotha Engine Photo Links
	by "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
 23) Admin on holliday
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 24) 200Masp/php/cgi空间只卖200元
	by cniecw@public.cn.jx.cn
 25) FD: New Oeffag D.III
	by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
 26) Nieuport 24-27 interior
	by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
 27) 350元/年=150m网页空间+顶级域名+50m电子邮局
	by "厦门顶点数据"<dingdian@21cn.com>
 28) RE: FD: New Oeffag D.III
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
 29) Popow's Nieuport
	by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:03:44 -0400
From: Greg West <gwest@sprynet.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
Message-ID: <p05010400b99bf7b5e81c@[67.243.243.185]>

>
>
>Why, where the spinner has been removed, is the much-lighter plywood
>substrate in such stark contrast to the outer skin?  Why is the tailskid
>(made of ash or hickory) so frequently much lighter in tone than the
>fuselage skin?  The wood species are very similar in color.  Why do the
>Oeffag models consistently photograph as light - no color in the clear
>coats?

lance,
these are just speculations,



It doesn't take long for wood to be affected by light , grime, 
solvents, smoke etc...the spinner provided some protection from this 
stuff?

re skid, when ash and other hardwoods are exposed to light and the 
elements for a time they go a light gray. that is if there is no 
shellac to provide some minor uv protection on the skid then?  birch 
and ash/hickory are very different woods btw their reaction to the 
elements will also be very different I suspect? check out an old 
antique shovel handle, that's usually ash, notice how it's light gray.


greg

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:24:26 -0400
From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
Message-ID: <OF572E0BCE.0A2D4D01-ON85256C2A.00640445@hyperion.com>


Lance asks >Why, where the spinner has been removed, is the much-lighter
plywood
>substrate in such stark contrast to the outer skin?<<

Very simple: The plywood is STAINED A DARKER COLOR!!! Why certain "legends
in their own minds" from the other forum can't accept this is beyond
me...The logical conclusion is that some darker staining of plywood was
done..The explanations that certain types of film are causing this are just
to try to substantiate the pont of view of people who have staked a claim
that these weren't stained...Bottom line:DICTA IRA!! I personally think
that, having seen almost every photo in all of the books we have,they  tell
me that these were done in a darker stain/shellac combo. Greg makes some
valid speculations, but many of the photos I have seen show a very even
"staining" of the fuselages. Several written accounts by those who were
there,also say that some planes were darker earlier on. Sorry, but
first-hand accounts, no matter how much later, are still, IMHO, the most
reliable. I would much rather listen to someone who WAS THERE, than
self-appointed experts...Basically, do as you choose, since as has been
pointed out before, there is virtually no one who can prove us wrong!!
Don't get hung up on what may have been! Enjoy and build!!!

Regards,
John


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Date: 	Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:34:24 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
Message-ID: <010501c25441$b1746d40$0200a8c0@grzesiek>

Lance!

> >Why, where the spinner has been removed, is the much-lighter plywood
> >substrate in such stark contrast to the outer skin?
Where you can see plywood under the spinner? Isn't that aluminium oil
cooler?

> Why do the
> >Oeffag models consistently photograph as light - no color in the clear
> >coats?
Not every, there are two photos in the JaPo book of the same aircraft, one
dark and one light. Also, maybe Austrians had different films? Or differernt
light conditions, Italian front is more sunny than rainy and misty Flanders,
close to the North Sea?

Cheers!
G.



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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:59:45 +0200
From: Eric GALLAUD <egallaud@club-internet.fr>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays
Message-ID: <3D765821.D6963662@club-internet.fr>

It could be available in TMA shop at about 30$ (to be confirmed).
As it is a man who release these kits as a hobby, there is no regular
deliveries. If you are interrested, let me know very soon.
TMA may has this kit. I hope my contact will go to check this saturday.

Eric

tbittners@sprintmail.com a 閏rit :

> On 09-03-2002 10:38 am, Eric wrote:
>
> > It is a DUJIN kit (french small manufacturer) in 1/72.
>
> >From where can one obtain the kit?
>
> Matt


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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:06:25 -0400
From: "John Ernst" <jje4@earthlink.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE:Sopwith Pup
Message-ID: <JDELIMLDGLENADAPJNMBOENFCAAA.jje4@earthlink.net>



How does it fly? Electric, rubber band, free flight or what?
Sort of doesn't seem R/C, but I may be wrong.
Looks very nice anyway.
/Neil C.

Thanks for the fine comments folks.

The Pup is a laser cut kit from DPC models. The span is 16", and yes, I'm
planning to fly it by rubber power. It weighs about 23 gms w/o prop, and I
hope it will be a real "floater" given all the wing area.

john ernst




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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:39:05 -0500
From: "Lee M." <lemen@x25.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
Message-ID: <006b01c2544a$bba8a520$954d39cc@mesystem>

Ash and Hickory are more dense and do not stain as readily.  Even old Ax
handles stay light in color.

The other question may be they did not add much color to the preservative
coating.

Lee M.
New Braunfels
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg West" <gwest@sprynet.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:06 PM
Subject: [WWI] Re: Albatros D.II final solution!


> >
> >
> >Why, where the spinner has been removed, is the much-lighter plywood
> >substrate in such stark contrast to the outer skin?  Why is the tailskid
> >(made of ash or hickory) so frequently much lighter in tone than the
> >fuselage skin?  The wood species are very similar in color.  Why do the
> >Oeffag models consistently photograph as light - no color in the clear
> >coats?
>
> lance,
> these are just speculations,
>
>
>
> It doesn't take long for wood to be affected by light , grime,
> solvents, smoke etc...the spinner provided some protection from this
> stuff?
>
> re skid, when ash and other hardwoods are exposed to light and the
> elements for a time they go a light gray. that is if there is no
> shellac to provide some minor uv protection on the skid then?  birch
> and ash/hickory are very different woods btw their reaction to the
> elements will also be very different I suspect? check out an old
> antique shovel handle, that's usually ash, notice how it's light gray.
>
>
> greg
>




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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 14:50:07 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
Message-ID: <sd761db3.095@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

John - 

I am inclined to agree about the stain, which is why I started the
thread.  But I can't find any accounts, from any period, that report an
unpainted fuselage to be anything other than "yellow".  Can you?  

Grezgorz - 

The foremost wooden fuselage former, drilled with lightening holes, is
visible when the spinner or the front cowl pieces are removed.  You can
see this, in model form, at the address below, though the modeler has
selected a color scheme that tends to refute my assertation.  But it is
not an oil cooler.

http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Verlhac/CP/albd5_1.jpg 

Greg -

You are certainly right about the graying of unprotected woods, though
this is likely to take longer than the life expectancy of any WWI plane.
 And I would fully expect that the tail skid would be treated to the
same protective coatings as all the other exterior wood.

As John says, it's something of a Dicta Ira situation... but then,
isn't everything?  I would rather solicit the opinions of folks with an
interest in these matters and see if perhaps we can uncover some new
evidence than automatically assume that either the "traditional" or the
"revisionist" theories are to be accepted without consideration.

Lance

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Date: 	Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:09:20 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
Message-ID: <016b01c2544e$f6a0a2a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek>

Lance!

> The foremost wooden fuselage former, drilled with lightening holes, is
> visible when the spinner or the front cowl pieces are removed.
Oh yes, this! OK. But it could be completely different kind of wood!
Or at least different kind of finish, it was part of internal structure of
airplane, and also very close to hot engine. For me it proves nothing...
Oil cooler I meant you can see here:
http://www.pegasusmodels.com/153nose.JPG
Cheers!
G.


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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:12:33 -0400
From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Albatros D.II final solution!
Message-ID: <OF2CA9E81A.21812D3E-ON85256C2A.006D7E61@hyperion.com>


Lance writes  >>But I can't find any accounts, from any period, that report
an
unpainted fuselage to be anything other than "yellow".  Can you?<<

I remember having read about "dark-stained" fuselages on Albatros fighters
in at least two places. One if memory serves, is the Kilduff book about the
Red Baron. The second account escapes me, but I'll see if I can find the
reference this weekend when I finally unpack my books!!!! I just find the
theory very plausible that these were stained with a darker stain earlier
on just as the more well-known "honey yellow" stained fuselages came later.
I really don't think( I am not an expert on photography)that orthochromatic
film or differences in lighting can make that much of a difference. I'll
try to find the source. I know how annoying "I read it somewhere" can be!!

I agree with you about our discussions here...Some folks on the "other
forum" will try at any length to prove their point. That's what I mean
about self-appointed experts...Fortunately, we don't have that here....I
have always subscribed to the darker stain theory and would love to
"uncover" new info, if possible...One needs to keep an open mind...DICTA
IRA is good for that!!

Regards,
John



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Date: 	Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:56:18 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Colour photos of the OT Russian armoured car
Message-ID: <019301c25455$849f9740$0200a8c0@grzesiek>

Hi!
Looking for some Polish railway stuff for Karen, I've found this:
http://derela.republika.pl/austin2.htm#zb
(look for them on the bottom of page)
Cheers!
G.


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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:02:34 -0400
From: "Mike Muth" <mikemuth@ptd.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE:Sopwith Pup
Message-ID: <000701c25456$65139ce0$8dd2bacc@ptdprolog.net>

John
    One question I have is about the lack of paint/dope on the fuselage. I
have never done one of these, although I have am Albatros DII I dream about
doing one day. Would the dope/paint make it too heavy to glide without
crashing? Oh yeah, it takes a lot of guts to fly something that nice,
knowing that a "good landing" may be a matter of luck!
tia
Mike Muth
----- Original Message -----
From: John Ernst <jje4@earthlink.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:11 PM
Subject: [WWI] RE:Sopwith Pup


>
>
> How does it fly? Electric, rubber band, free flight or what?
> Sort of doesn't seem R/C, but I may be wrong.
> Looks very nice anyway.
> /Neil C.
>
> Thanks for the fine comments folks.
>
> The Pup is a laser cut kit from DPC models. The span is 16", and yes, I'm
> planning to fly it by rubber power. It weighs about 23 gms w/o prop, and I
> hope it will be a real "floater" given all the wing area.
>
> john ernst
>
>
>
>



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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:38:21 -0300
From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" <marcio.castro.campos@ig.com.br>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Decal solutions and other things
Message-ID: <00f701c2545b$65bf7b00$978fe2c8@computador>

Folks,

Yesterday I finally bought the Micro Sol and Micro Set things (and also some
sheet styrene) and, after some tests, I was ready to use them on the Dr.I
and Pfalz D.III top wings... Paul Boyer helped me with his article on FSM
(Nov 2001) and everything went well, without problems. Apparently the result
was better with the Dr.I wings (I'm using Blue Rider decals for Jacobs's
no-devil triplane - the decals were gift from Dame Karen in the 2001 Secret
Santa). The wings already received the last coat of Future and are resting
on the cupboard.

I also joined the ammo box (thanks Shane) in the middle wing and then
everything was glued to fuselage. Now the Dr.I looks like a biplane (i.e.
reached the stage where some of us can already perform flights with the
proper sound effects) and the interplane struts are already there too. OK,
the one-piece interplane strut may not be historically accurate (I read - in
the Osprey book IIRC - that there were separate struts, one from bottom to
middle wing and another from middle to top wing), but for me looks
wonderful! It'll save me the headache I had when building the Revell Dr.I.

That's all by now :-) time to go to Italian class.

All the best from Brazil

Marcio



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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:53:06 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Colour photos of the OT Russian armoured car
Message-ID: <E17mi2v-0001bz-00@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:55:46 -0400 (EDT), Grzegorz Mazurowski
wrote:

> Looking for some Polish railway stuff for Karen, I've found this:
> http://derela.republika.pl/austin2.htm#zb
> (look for them on the bottom of page)

Click on the link at the very bottom of the page.  It talks about
the armored cars *before* being captured by the Poles, i.e.
mainly during WW1.  Cool!  Awesome link, G.  Thanks!

Maybe time to build a couple more ModelKrak cars? ;-)  Do any of
the Polish members on this site know the owner of ModelKrak? 
There are a few armored cars he hasn't kitted yet in 1/72nd - the
Kegresse being one.  That would be an awesome ModelKrak model.


Matt Bittner



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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:33:39 -0500
From: "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Decal solutions and other things
Message-ID: <001601c25463$1f2662a0$926231cc@x1a2i2>

> Now the Dr.I looks like a biplane (i.e. reached the stage where some of us
can already >perform flights with the proper sound effects)...

  You guys are great....ROTFL..hahahaha

  Paul Hederer



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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:42:05 +1000
From: "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: strip stretching
Message-ID: <F121ju2iDL6e5f6WVY500004ae6@hotmail.com>

Diego

>I must point here mon ami that Shane W. IS in the Pantheon of modelling
>gods, even if he is a sort of obscure, twisted deity that likes to play
>tricks to mere mortals.

Umm, thanks for the vote of confidence (I *think*) but I am NOT in any 
pantheon. Frankly, there are so many classy modellers on the list that none 
of us have any right to a swollen ego. Happily, none show it either.

Now - stop embarrassing me. Larry and I were enjoying a nice disagreement 
based almost entirely on misaprehensions by each of what the other meant.

Shane









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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:43:35 -0400
From: Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: New upload
Message-ID: <3D769AA7.60702@tampabay.rr.com>



Matt Bittner wrote:

> I just uploaded a flying Sopwith Pup from John Ernst.  Cool!
>

Looks "Inherently Flyable". Very cool John, now scrape the Ambroid off 
your fingers, grab a new #11 blade and start butchering some more balsa ;-)
sp


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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:43:41 +1000
From: "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: strip stretching
Message-ID: <F80FEI6FgDTII5gfNHj000053d3@hotmail.com>

Diego

>On the contrary, I'd say half of your models are well OVERSCALE!
>Confess Shane, you build in 1/48 just to make Matt to cringe...

LOL - I build in *1/72* to give everyone a chance to giggle....

Shane


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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:48:47 +1000
From: "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: strip stretching
Message-ID: <F201oKcgDIQjOnfIOS30000283b@hotmail.com>

Diego (seems like I'm answering a lot of your posts today ;-)

>I never tried this, and I'm far too lazy to ever do it but I guess that if 
>I
>apply 5 thou ribs to a 1/72 wings and after they're firmly gled I sand the
>trailing and leading edges to almost nothing, I would achieve the "peaks 
>and
>valleys" up to scale. Then, fill in with primer and voila! accurate wings.
>I'll probably never do this.

Me either :-)

However, It'd work just fine, and it's how I'd do a scratchbuild of a 1/72 
wing where the wings are swept or has lots of closely spaced ribs - like a 
SPAD. Others I've always used St Harry's technique which (for me) works just 
as well in dinky scale as 1/48.

> > (FWIW the Deperdussin, with the long chord and least cambered wings had
>the
> > least protuberant ribs)
>
>Ha! Spads (the one I built) is a Deperdussin!!!
>I rest my case.

LOL - I suspect that a SPAD - if you measured one - would have smaller dips 
than many because the rib spacing is small, so you are probably right. 
Crazy, but right.

Shane


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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:01:32 +1000
From: "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: strip stretching
Message-ID: <F151j7jYTdOSQzFgDKN000027f4@hotmail.com>

Neil !

>No it hasn't turned ugly Larry, Shanes always like that,
>sort of grumpy, we like him that way!

Grumpy ? GRUMPY !!! I'll give you grumpy....

&^&^^#^%$#@$#@! <kicks PC, walks away>

>at least I don't think you need to. In any case I agree this
>thread has gone on long enough, if we carry on another week
>it will become a list-legend:-)

Will it be a yellow thread, or an OD thread?

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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:35:03 +1000
From: "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Both good and sad news
Message-ID: <F142jtUoqcwvLXV6OHr00019fd3@hotmail.com>

Matt says:



>Just read on the "other" forum that Alex Imrie is selling his entire
>collection.
(snip)

>Let's hope UTD can come up with the funds.  To have "it all" in one
>spot would be awesome.

Absolutely. Then all the people nearby can have access to *all* the 
available materials. And everyone else....what the hell, who gives a sh*t 
about them. Let them eat cake - Texan researchers are far superior anyway.

Let's hope *not* (IMO)

Shane



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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:48:36 -0400
From: Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Decals
Message-ID: <3D76A9E4.9090706@tampabay.rr.com>



Michael Writes: 
> Before sending off your hard earned (or however else you got your 
> money)cash, you might seriously consider the methods that Steve Perry or I 
> used for replicating wood grain.  Actually, I stole the method I used from 
> David Solosy (Perth MMS) who used it on an Eduard Albatros D.Va. 


I believe I got the idea from the List several years ago. It must have 
been David who mentioned it. I've tweeked the technique to suit my 
style, I even have several trophys to show for it, but the idea of 
homemade ply decals is not original with me.

Its really is easy to do and requires zero artistic talent. Paint a 
piece of clear decal tan or straw, smear some thinned, darker paint on 
it and spray with clear decal film. Less time and trouble than filling 
out an order and sending it off for a commercial product, besides USGS 
sells better contour maps.

sp






 Whereas 
> the method I used is far from perfect, I think it's better than
> any decal I've used.  The problem with decals is that they are usually 
> "overdone" in terms of the grain effect, and they don't really have enough 
> "depth" that you can see in real wood.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
>>From: "charles robinson" <tomei@redbird.net>
>>        Just saw at the Eagle Strike site that they have released 3
>>different types of wood paneling decals !! Go to the AMD index and look
>>under new releases.
>>
>>http://www.eaglestrikeproductions.com/indexesp.html
>>
>>Ohio Mike
>>
> 
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Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:30:45 +1000
From: "Shane Weier" <bristolf2b@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Gotha Engine Photo Links
Message-ID: <F184vh8xGMjZ76XCQIz0000aced@hotmail.com>

Neil

>Given the recent discussion re Gotha Engine panels, I thought this might be
>useful. Some good photos here...
>
>  http://home.tiscalinet.be/romove/referentie/gotha.html
>
I forwarded the link to Tom (who is gratefull)

Meanwhile - the rest of the site is worth looking through for those who've 
never been there (or have and need a fix)

Shane




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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:12:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: Admin on holliday
Message-ID: <200209050312.XAA50578@mustang.sr.unh.edu>


I'll be out of town for the next 4 days - see you Monday!

Al

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Date: 	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:45:17 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: FD: New Oeffag D.III
Message-ID: <006901c254b0$2de736a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek>


----- Original Message -----
From: RODEN <roden@rodenplant.com>
To: Grzegorz Mazurowski <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: New Oeffag D.III


> Dear Mr. Mazurowski,
>
> All not so is tragic. Our web-designer in holiday, we shall update our
site
> soon.
> The new models Albatros and Sopwith will be in the market in September.
> Your friend from USA very much has pleased me!
> Thank for attention to our firm.
>
> Best regards,
> Vladimir Chumak
> Director
> RODEN Ltd.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Grzegorz Mazurowski <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
> To: <roden@rodenplant.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:44 PM
> Subject: New Oeffag D.III
>
>
> > Boys!
> > You promised two new D.III for August, and it's a September and D.III
253.
> > series in "in processing" isn't even coloured!
> > What's going on?
> >
> > Yesterday it was a very funny net-event. One of my friends from USA was
> > building your Oeffag D.III 153 (Kiss plane) 'online' in one day. He was
> > building a model and making photos by digital camera, and his wife,
who's
> a
> > programist, was putting it immediately on the net.
> > I think it was good promotion for you, Roden!
> > this is the link:
> > http://priswell.com/uggie/german/albatros/albad3.htm
> >
> >
> > Greetings from Poland!
> > Grzegorz Mazurowski



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Date: 	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:40:26 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Nieuport 24-27 interior
Message-ID: <009a01c254b7$e23ea5a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek>

Matt!
It looks like Choroszy was right. Alberto's 27 in the IM shows internal
structure made of 6 or 7 longerons, not a flat plywood "box" side like in
Nieuport 17.
Do you remember our talk about it?
G.


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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:50:47 +0200 
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: FD: New Oeffag D.III
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A0D169AF3@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

Hey, Thats neat, well done G for writing him. Can you remind
this forgetful old geezer which Sopwith we can expect?
/Neil C.

 

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Date: 	Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:52:09 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Popow's Nieuport
Message-ID: <00ac01c254b9$851935a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek>

Hi!
Someone on the list asked if Popow's Nieuport had red stars.
Tomasz J. Kowalski, Polish guru of the planes painting and marking told me
that it had. I suppose he has photographic evidence.
Cheers!
G.


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