WWI Digest 4626 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays by tbittners@sprintmail.com 2) Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays by Crawford Neil 3) Re: strip stretching by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Re: Georges Levy HB40 by tbittners@sprintmail.com 5) Gotha ply surfaces by Crawford Neil 6) Re: strip stretching by "Michael Kendix" 7) Re: Georges Levy HB40 by "Michael Kendix" 8) Re: zen and the art of plastic modeling by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 9) Re: Uggie's Daily Albatros by Dennis Ugulano 10) Momentary De-lurk by "Michael J. Kavanaugh" 11) RE: Momentary De-lurk by Crawford Neil 12) Re: An Albatros is one day? Yes! by Dennis Ugulano 13) RE: Gotha ply surfaces by "Pedro N. Soares" 14) RE: Gotha ply surfaces by Crawford Neil 15) Re: strip stretching by Larry Marshall 16) Re: strip stretching by Larry Marshall 17) Re: Momentary De-lurk by Larry Marshall 18) Re: Uggie's Daily Albatros by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 19) Re: Back from holidays by Eric GALLAUD 20) Re: Back from holidays by Eric GALLAUD 21) Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays by Eric GALLAUD 22) Re: strip stretching by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays by tbittners@sprintmail.com 24) Re: Back from holidays by "Diego Fernetti" 25) Re: Back from holidays by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 26) Re: more on ribs...is it possible? by "Lance Krieg" 27) Re: Back from holidays by Eric GALLAUD 28) Re: Nieuport 10 quandry by Michael Fletcher 29) Re: Back from holidays by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 30) gotha ply surface by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 31) sp\'s LVG by tbittners@sprintmail.com 32) Re: sp\'s LVG by Eric GALLAUD 33) Re: sp\'s LVG by "Diego Fernetti" 34) Caudron datafile by Larry Marshall 35) Re: Caudron datafile by "Michael Kendix" 36) Re: Caudron datafile by Larry Marshall 37) Re: Caudron datafile by Larry Marshall ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:32:57 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <200209031232.g83CWvI05189@king1.kingsnake.com> On 09-03-2002 06:03 am, Neil wrote: > I looked it up, the finns had some, called them flying coffins. > And the US had them too, look: > http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/gl40.htm > > It was a flying boat AND pretty. Who's Laetitia anyway? I would be most interested in knowing if it's a kit in 1/72nd, and if so who makes it. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:43:02 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: I think it's one of the Polish companies, HitKit perhaps? /Neil C. > > I would be most interested in knowing if it's a kit in 1/72nd, and if > so who makes it. > > > Matt > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:47:59 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <009a01c25348$48461b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Larry! (where I left my bag of nicknames?) > If by this you mean the yellow aliphatic glues, I don't find them any better > to sand. All of the aliphatic glues sand like rubber relative to plastic. Understood. > > What about a little help of a hair dryer? > I'm too lazy to sit with a hair dryer over each rib too :-) But not to sit and build your afro hairdo each saturday night! Ahh these youngsters! > You could iron on the > strips. If you were to coat the film with white glue and let the glue dry > before cutting the strips, you could iron them in place as white glue is heat > sensitive and responds well to a low heat. I doubt it would work in this > case, however, because of the thin nature of the plastic but you never know. So white glue is heat sensitive? I didn't knew that! We could think a use for this tip even if it doesn't seem applicable to the wingrib techniques. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:44:06 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Georges Levy HB40 Message-ID: <200209031244.g83Ci6F05784@king1.kingsnake.com> On 09-03-2002 07:45 am, Neil wrote: > I think it's one of the Polish companies, HitKit perhaps? Having just watched the first Austin Powers last night: NNNNOOOOOO!!!! NNNNOOOOOO!!!! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:54:33 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Gotha ply surfaces Message-ID: Shane asked about colours on Gotha DV's between the engine nacelles and fuselage, on the lower wings. Well I casually leafed through the Windsock Gotha Special (Hi there D, G, & I !) and found one good picture of this area, it was dark and shiny I couldn't see any lozenge, maybe because it was too dark and shiny to see properly, or maybe because there wasn't any lozenge. I think I'd go for the same colour as they paint other wood/metal bits, if there is such a colour, on an RFC plane it would be grey. I looked at some other references, ScaleModels 2,3,4-76 the HW article but couldnt see anything there either. Finally I looked in WS 2-99 (IIRC) and found RK's Gotha IV, that kept me occupied for a while,a completely flabbergasting model, anyway RK did his ply-areas in LVG camouflage paint, the same as the rest of the model. FWIW. /Neil C. PS. When I was looking at St. Harrys article, I found a photo that I think he copied when he did the painting on the back of the WS-special, no criticism, it just gave me a chuckle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:03:52 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: >From: Larry Marshall >I'd sure like to find some .001 styrene somewhere. That's the problem: you'd never find it because it would be almost invisible. Do you mean 0.010-inch? The wire Iuse for rigging is 0.005-inch diameter. I have bought 0.01-inch plastic strips though. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:10:35 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Georges Levy HB40 Message-ID: >On 09-03-2002 07:45 am, Neil wrote: > >I think it's one of the Polish companies, HitKit perhaps? I don't think that's correct but I don't know who makes the GL. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:10:35 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: zen and the art of plastic modeling Message-ID: Peter, Thanks vey much for the effort here!!! This work is a valuable resource to ANY model builder and you have certainly made using it a lot easier...Thanks again!! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:11:49 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Uggie's Daily Albatros Message-ID: <200209030911_MC3-1-E57-6D55@compuserve.com> David, >> One question - what did you use for glue, paint, filler etc, to keep the drying times so short ? << One of the major things that happened is that the temperature in Fresno yesterday was 104 and we did not have the air conditioner on. With that much heat and almost no humidity, things dry fast. Also, Model Master paints dry fast when sprayed. As you can imagine, there was little time for the paint to really dry the way I wanted it to. The sponge method of painting also helped. Like, how was I going to mess up that paint scheme? The paint was very thin and was dry before I got to the other end of the wing. The filler was Bondo Glazing Putty and it dries very fast. The glue was Testor's liquid (in the black container) and it also dries fast. Super glue was used in areas where speed was mandatory. Mainly though, I think it was the heat and low humidity of where I live. I would still be waiting for the paint to dry in a damp humid climate. Uggie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:28:48 -0500 From: "Michael J. Kavanaugh" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Momentary De-lurk Message-ID: <3D74B910.5020102@satx.rr.com> Peter, Great job on St. Harry's book. Anyone wanting and not having a copy of the book are in your debt. Larry, Thanks for the magnet board and rib-line scribing ideas. I had been struggling with putting ribs on the backdated Macchi M.5 one at a time and now see the light at the end of the tunnel. Next, I can pull out the the sanded down flying surfaces of the Airfix H-P O-400 that were put away awaiting the dreaded job and get on with it. Back to lurk mode. VBR, Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:30:56 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Momentary De-lurk Message-ID: Hi Mike, Nice to hear from you, you should be able to do an HP0/400 in a week, if Uggie can do an Albie in a day! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:34:36 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: An Albatros is one day? Yes! Message-ID: <200209030934_MC3-1-DDA-68B4@compuserve.com> To all, Thank you for the fine comments on the Albatros in a Day Build. It was fun but not likely to be repeated any time soon. What you saw was a joint effort between Tech Support and myself. I am the builder, photographer, and photo prep person. Tech Support set up the web site and build page. When I finish the photos, she has the page set up that all I had to do was insert photo numbers and up load the site. Without her help, there is no way I could have built the kit and uploaded it in a day. I watch her run her fingers across the keyboard and my brain goes numb. I can write some HTML code but I still have not broken the code for tables. And she refines the site as she goes and it get better and better each time. Everything came together yesterday for the build. The weather, a day off, an easy kit and team work. Thank you again for the fine comments, especially Tech Support's role. She made it happen. Uggie Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 08/10/2002 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:40:08 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Gotha ply surfaces Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301FD3DBA@TUFAO> I had this same doubt too, and ebven though I didn't find any photo showing the area I think it would be reasonable to paint it the same colour as the rest of the upper side of the wings. Can't find a reason not to fo it.... Dicta IRA Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] > Sent: terça-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2002 13:56 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Gotha ply surfaces > > > Shane asked about colours on Gotha DV's between the engine > nacelles and fuselage, on the lower wings. Well I casually > leafed through the Windsock Gotha Special (Hi there D, G, & I !) > and found one good picture of this area, it was dark and shiny > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:53:35 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Gotha ply surfaces Message-ID: On a GIV that is reasonable, but this was a lozenged DV, which makes it a bit more difficult. I suppose they could have just applied lozenge over the ply, but it seems a little unnatural? I don't really know what I'm talking about, to be honest! /Neil C. (out of his depth, it's german for heavens sake) Pedro: > I had this same doubt too, and ebven though I didn't find any > photo showing > the area I think it would be reasonable to paint it the same > colour as the > rest of the upper side of the wings. Can't find a reason not > to fo it.... > Dicta IRA > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:03:15 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <200209031003.15997.larrym@sympatico.ca> > But not to sit and build your afro hairdo each saturday night! Ahh these > youngsters! Hey...don't make fun of my doo! > So white glue is heat sensitive? I didn't knew that! We could think a use > for this tip even if it doesn't seem applicable to the wingrib techniques. Until I saw Alberto's use of white glue I never would have thought it useful in plastics. I'm not too sure about the heat thing being useful either as it depends on whether you can do it without melting the parts. When I attach a canopy to a free flight model I simply paint the lower inside (where the framing is) of the canopy and let it dry. Then I can just touch the canopy with a tacking iron and it glues it in place with no muss, and no fuss. While we're on the subject, does anyone use glue stick glue on plastic models? I would think this would be even better than white glue for things like interior structures. The reason is that it's real easy to apply it and it's both heat sensitive and it will loosen with alcohol if you need to reposition something. I've never used it on plastic but if white glue works I'd bet that glue stick would work as well. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:07:58 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <200209031007.58101.larrym@sympatico.ca> > >I'd sure like to find some .001 styrene somewhere. > > That's the problem: you'd never find it because it would be almost > invisible. Do you mean 0.010-inch? The wire Iuse for rigging is > 0.005-inch diameter. I have bought 0.01-inch plastic strips though. Sorry I wasn't more clear. A sheet of .001" white styrene would be quite visible. The ideal plastic strip to use for these ribs would be .001" thick and around .03" wide for 1/72 scale. I'd be happy with .002" thick :-) The 'normal' ribs in my test were more like .003" thick and they're just too prominent in my view. Some might say I'm modeling too small [gd&r]. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:11:56 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Momentary De-lurk Message-ID: <200209031011.56082.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Thanks for the magnet board and rib-line scribing ideas. I had been Hard to imagine that my flailing over ribs is of much use but I'm glad it has been. The saga continues as I'm a bit intrigued by the possibilities. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:34:33 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Uggie's Daily Albatros Message-ID: <018801c25357$05841e80$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Good job Ronnie and Uggie! Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:23:08 +0200 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <3D74D3DC.658E7ED4@club-internet.fr> Hi everybody, Diego Fernetti a écrit : > Eric has kept busy doing: > > I mounted the top wing of my 2 DH9, with rigging, > > Wich kits? I have a Classic Plane vac of it, but looks pretty rough. One is the Ardpol, the other one is a Delta Bits vacuform conversion for Airfix DH4 (first attempt with vacuform !!! ). > > > > continued my SPAD A2 Omega > > (difficult kit !!!) > > Hurry up or Matt will beat you. ;-) > > > ended a Guynemer SPAD 12 (I have to take some pictures), > > Yes! Hear that Neil? > > > almost ended a HB W20 (I have to buy a wooden propeller) > CzechMaster kit 1/72 > > > > > started a > > Georges-Levy HB2 > > What? > > > and started a Ni 11 from AJP (1/48, strange and unusual scale > > ;-) ). > > Neat! There was a post while you was away about a scratchbuit Nieuport 11 in > some big scale (not 1/48) But I can't recall the URL to show you the neat > pictures! > D. I was talking about the AJP kit, and I choose the Navarre marking as shown on Nieuport site. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:28:57 +0200 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <3D74D539.E758753@club-internet.fr> Crawford Neil a écrit : > Eric & D > > > > > ended a Guynemer SPAD 12 (I have to take some pictures), > > > > Yes! Hear that Neil? > > Yes,Yes,Yes! > > > > > > started a > > > Georges-Levy HB2 > > > > What? > > It's french, and pretty, a flying boat I think. > Well done Eric, what kit? > /Neil C. > > This is the DUJIN resin kit 1/72. Nice kit but no interior, so Dicta Ira ;-). I met the man who drawn the drawings provided with the kit and the drawings in the book from ARDHAN "L'aviation maritime Française pendant la grande guerre". Very nice guy, he gave to me the drawing he did for the Renault engine 300HP (fitted on the Georges-Levy). Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:35:20 +0200 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <3D74D6B8.D326BEDC@club-internet.fr> It is a DUJIN kit (french small manufacturer) in 1/72. Eric Crawford Neil a écrit : > I think it's one of the Polish companies, HitKit perhaps? > /Neil C. > > > > I would be most interested in knowing if it's a kit in 1/72nd, and if > > so who makes it. > > > > > > Matt > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:42:28 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <006401c25360$8f693dc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Larry " > Until I saw Alberto's use of white glue I never would have thought it useful > in plastics. I'm not too sure about the heat thing being useful either as it > depends on whether you can do it without melting the parts. One of the uses that comes to my mind is to cut inspection panels, coat them with dilluted glue on the back, then fix them with moderate heat over the outer surfaces of the model. This way you avoid the "bleed" of wet glue below this flat details. > While we're on the subject, does anyone use glue stick glue on plastic models? > I would think this would be even better than white glue for things like > interior structures. The reason is that it's real easy to apply it and it's > both heat sensitive and it will loosen with alcohol if you need to reposition > something. Ain't it produces strings of molten glue? What about rigging? ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:35:00 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Georges Levy HB40 wasRE: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <200209031535.g83FZ0p15894@king1.kingsnake.com> On 09-03-2002 10:38 am, Eric wrote: > It is a DUJIN kit (french small manufacturer) in 1/72. >From where can one obtain the kit? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:44:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <006501c25360$baec2840$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Eric wrote: > One is the Ardpol, the other one is a Delta Bits vacuform conversion for Airfix > DH4 (first attempt with vacuform !!! ). Interesting. I never heard of it and will be an inclusion to my Vacform article update. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:49:21 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <01d001c25361$78959fc0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > > > almost ended a HB W20 (I have to buy a wooden propeller) Do it yourself!!!! G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:52:09 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: more on ribs...is it possible? Message-ID: Larry asks about various rib techniques, and specifically about the ones I used on the Felixstowe. One must differentiate between "ribs" and "rib tapes"; for the former, I have used a number of techniques, but the goal in all cases is to create a crest or high point to represent the top of the bulge created by the wooden structure beneath the fabric. The CA-soaked thread provides the crest, and Mr. Surfacer of some other sandable primer supplies a smooth transition from the valley to the peak. However the *rib* is accomplished, by thread, plastic rod or strip, embossing, or as provided in a kit, the *tape* is a separate process that comes in the finishing stage. In that same article, I used two techniques for that as well; a painted rib tape for the underside, and a decal one for the topside. I stressed my dissatisfaction with the painted ribtapes and the reasons I think decals are superior. This is a long answer to a short question... sorry. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:56:09 +0200 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <3D74DB99.18F3ED35@club-internet.fr> I am not sure but it could be a Blue Rider conversion. Eric Diego Fernetti a écrit : > Eric wrote: > > One is the Ardpol, the other one is a Delta Bits vacuform conversion for > Airfix > > DH4 (first attempt with vacuform !!! ). > > Interesting. I never heard of it and will be an inclusion to my Vacform > article update. > D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:06:25 -0400 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport 10 quandry Message-ID: <3D74DE01.5F0744A4@rogers.com> There was two types of Nieuport 10 two seaters, the 10AR (arriere = rear) and the 10AV (avant = front) depending on where the pilot sat. The primary identifying feature between the 10AV and 10AR are the aileron control rods. In the early machines flown from the rear cockpit they angle back, and on those flown from the front seat, they run straight down from the bell cranks. In the case of the 80/81, the dual control machine has them running straight down, and the single control machines have them angled back toward the floor of the rear cockpit. All the single seat machines follow the example of the 10AR which appears to have the same rear turtledeck. In addition (this hasn't been proven for all 10's so is just a theory) the lateral brace on the rear cabane is a vee on the early machines and an inverted u on the later machines, so the change over MAY have happened at the same time as the change in seating arrangements. The Rhinebeck machine is based on the 12 but with the 10 wings, however it is a trainer and so was different again. I think the triplane 10 has the rear of the cockpit cut further back than on a standard 10, but it isn't a 12 as the fuel and oil filler caps are inline as on a 10 (not side by side as on the 12). I couldn't say which it would be but it was late enough (1916) that it was probably modified from a stock, front control two seater. Mike Fl. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:12:04 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Back from holidays Message-ID: <1031069524.3d74df54b59c7@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Eric GALLAUD : > I am not sure but it could be a Blue Rider conversion. > > Eric > I think it may be 'closely based' on the Blue Rider conversion. The BL set was an injection moulded conversion. Delta later released their set with a moulded fuselage (can't recall if it was IJ or resin) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:02:45 +0200 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: gotha ply surface Message-ID: <00de01c2536b$ba7aa0c0$b685043e@d6o1v9> I can answer,we have in the Brussels museum 2 motor from a Gotha G5bthere are on the original color(i think); no remains or evidence of losange patern on the ply and the nacelle, only a color (a dark green),when i find a scanner i send some pictures of the nacelle engine,regards Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:13:17 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: sp\'s LVG Message-ID: <200209031713.g83HDHr22328@king1.kingsnake.com> Take a look on the Roll site: http://www.rollmodels.net/nreviews/airplanes/lvgc6/lvgc6.php sp's awesome LVG is up. Wow! Nice job! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:22:33 +0200 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: sp\'s LVG Message-ID: <3D74EFD9.CD9FB671@club-internet.fr> Very well done kit Eric tbittners@sprintmail.com a écrit : > Take a look on the Roll site: > http://www.rollmodels.net/nreviews/airplanes/lvgc6/lvgc6.php > > sp's awesome LVG is up. Wow! Nice job! > > Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:40:05 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: sp\'s LVG Message-ID: <004601c25370$f0c6d400$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Great wood finish. Keep up the good work Steve! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: [WWI] sp\'s LVG > Take a look on the Roll site: > http://www.rollmodels.net/nreviews/airplanes/lvgc6/lvgc6.php > > sp's awesome LVG is up. Wow! Nice job! > > > Matt > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:37:22 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Caudron datafile Message-ID: <200209031337.22226.larrym@sympatico.ca> I've just received the Caudron G3 kit from Rosemont and I was comparing it to the new Windsock Datafile of the same plane. If the Datafile specs are accurate, the 1/48 scale drawings scale properly but the 1/72 scale drawings are undersize. In fact, the underside view (1/72) on the last page of the drawings is even smaller than the rest of the 1/72 drawings. The kit itself seems closer to scale in span than the drawings but it seems that the outline for the stab/elevator, even the new resin one, is not deep enough...by a considerable margin and the rib orientation is incorrect. It'll be pretty easy to fix but I'm wondering where the dimensions for this kit came from. Anyone have any idea? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:52:31 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron datafile Message-ID: >From: Larry Marshall >It'll be pretty easy to fix but I'm wondering where the dimensions for > >this kit came from. Anyone have any idea? It might have been from the French FMP tome. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:56:50 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron datafile Message-ID: <200209031356.50609.larrym@sympatico.ca> > to the new Windsock Datafile of the same plane. If the Datafile specs are > accurate, the 1/48 scale drawings scale properly but the 1/72 scale > drawings are undersize. In fact, the underside view (1/72) on the last Oops...bad button pushing while scaling. Two of the top drawings do scale to the right span. The other problems seem to persist. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:01:30 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron datafile Message-ID: <200209031401.30790.larrym@sympatico.ca> > >It'll be pretty easy to fix but I'm wondering where the dimensions for > > > > >this kit came from. Anyone have any idea? > > It might have been from the French FMP tome. Could be. I dont recognize the 3Views that come with it but they don't list the FMP book as a reference. After a quick look, it seems that the stab/elevator depth and the fact that the cockpit tub seems to be 1/8" longer than it's supposed to be, everything else looks really good. The tub difference won't be noticable but the stab depth certainly would be. This, of course, assumes that the Datafile is right and the model wrong but the datafile photos consistently suggest a lot more depth than exists in the model stab. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4626 **********************