WWI Digest 4622 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo by Crawford Neil 2) Re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo by Crawford Neil 3) Re: strip stretching by Larry Marshall 4) Re: strip stretching by "Pedro N. Soares" 5) Re: strip stretching by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: Albatros in a day? by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: zen and the art of plastic modeling by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: September's Internet Modeler by "Diego Fernetti" 9) Re: zen and the art of plastic modeling by "Greg Balzer" 10) Re: strip stretching by Crawford Neil 11) Re: Albatros in a day? by "Pedro N. Soares" 12) strip cutting by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: Albatros in a day? by Crawford Neil 14) Re: strip stretching by Larry Marshall 15) RE: strip cutting by "Pedro N. Soares" 16) Re: Albatros in a day? by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Re: strip stretching by Larry Marshall 18) Re: strip stretching by Crawford Neil 19) Re: FMP Austro-Hungarians (update) by "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> 20) RE: strip cutting by "Diego Fernetti" 21) Re: strip stretching by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: strip stretching by Crawford Neil 23) RE: strip cutting by "Pedro N. Soares" 24) Recommendations for on-line ordering by "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> 25) RE: Recommendations for on-line ordering by Crawford Neil 26) Re: Recommendations for on-line ordering by "Diego Fernetti" 27) RE: Recommendations for on-line ordering by "Diego Fernetti" 28) attention needed by "lawlings5" 29) RE: Recommendations for on-line ordering by Tom Gourdie 30) RE: Recommendations for on-line ordering by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:49:36 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo Message-ID: 2 comments: This was from IPMS-Curitiba, and I've been there, we have a factory in Curitiba, it's a nice place, and useful to know they have an IPMS-branch with web-site, if I can ever wangle another visit which I very much doubt. And, how do you know the Siemens is wrong, there is no way you can see on a photo that they didn't put the lozenge on wrong in real life, they must have had Monday mornings in the Siemens factory too. /Neil C. > > http://www.ipmscuritiba.com.br/galeria/drI.html > > http://www.ipmscuritiba.com.br/galeria/siemens.html (seems > like he got > > somehow confused on the decal instructions... lower > lozenge:lower wing) > > Anyway, a good build nevertheless. > > D. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:07:42 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo Message-ID: I know it's ot (but only by a few years), but the same guy has done a Junkers G24 diorama that is a beauty, you can see it under galeria. If you know this guy Marcio, send him my regards. /Neil C. > > > http://www.ipmscuritiba.com.br/galeria/drI.html > > > http://www.ipmscuritiba.com.br/galeria/siemens.html (seems > > like he got > > > somehow confused on the decal instructions... lower > > lozenge:lower wing) > > > Anyway, a good build nevertheless. > > > D. > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:10:41 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <200209020910.41624.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Excellent! I must search my house for an iron sheet and make myself one of > these magnetic jigs soon. If you can't find the materials I'll be happy to send them to you. > components of my "Lance K." wing setting jig with some magnetic adjustement > features. Since the shelf fell down on it last summer it has not been the > same, even with my repairs. One night I started stacking magnets and found that I could build a very stable wing mounting jig using this board. > I like the way the "thin" rib stand on the wing. That's the thickness I The more I look at it the more I agree with you. This means I've got to get a broader platform over which to stretch as those require a pull of 8-10" rather than the 6" of the 'normal' ribs. > daresay. Have you seen the new article by Alberto in IM? As a coincidence, > it has an example of decal ribbing. I have a lots of questions now for him, Absolutely! Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:14:55 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301F8DFD4@TUFAO> Larry, I am absolutely taken by your magnetic board thing. Looking at the picture of the painted wing, though, I still think that probably instead of going through the trouble of stretching the plastic, ribs made of .005 thou strip are probably easier to install, since this guarantees uniform thickness. A quick pass with 1000 wet and dry will blend in the ribs and the paint will give a smooth finish to it all. The major problem is cutting the 005 sheet in constant width. When I did my Floh I used a trick I picked from Joey Valenciano (I think) I taped a credit card to a piece of glass, to act as a stopper for the sheet then I used a piece of plastic (another credit card (ccn.2) - they were all expired, i case you think I have too many credit cards round... - that I'd "sandwich" between the credit card stopper and a metalic straight edge. Then I'd carefully lift credit card n.2 and cut the strip with a couple of gentle passes of a new blade, so that the strip wouldn't curl. This, in theory, would produce a constant width strip. In practice, as usual, somedays you eat the bear, others...., but it does work. HTH Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:32:19 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <04aa01c25285$299edbc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Larry "Scud" Marshall wrote: > If you can't find the materials I'll be happy to send them to you. Thanks a lot Larry! But I have all of them in a place or another, I just need to set them up in a working device. My dad has lots of materials around my house and since he's away, I can loot his den. > The more I look at it the more I agree with you. This means I've got to get a > broader platform over which to stretch as those require a pull of 8-10" > rather than the 6" of the 'normal' ribs. Try pulling a bit faster than usual, and you'll get thinner strips. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 08:34:11 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Albatros in a day? Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:12:50 -0400 (EDT), Dennis Ugulano wrote: > On my web site under German/Albatros/Albatros Build is my latest > venture into the world of the insane. > > As the introduction says, see you on Monday Perfectly insane. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:37:00 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: zen and the art of plastic modeling Message-ID: <04d701c25285$d2289c40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Peter! > To business, it's up and running at > http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/woodman.html > All I can say is I did my best. Wonderful website. I bet that after this the publishing house will warm up the project of updating the book and release it updated. Wich was the name of the publishers? Do we have an email for them? > Munchkin scalerswill be disappointed, but I hope most will find something > useful I'm not dissapointed, but all the contrary. So I must not be a munchkin scaler! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:37:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: September's Internet Modeler Message-ID: <04df01c25285$f24dace0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> There's not enough hours in a (work) day to surf the amazing stuff on the net today. I hate mondays. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [WWI] September's Internet Modeler > With this issue we celebrate the beginning of our fifth year of publication. > To start things off right we've got a wonderful trio of WWI subjects, and > hey! They're all in the proper scale! > > Bob Pearson has also branched out from the mainstream with a nifty selection > of Norwegian Babies as well. > > Chris Banyai-Riepl > Publisher > Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:39:29 -0400 From: "Greg Balzer" To: Subject: Re: zen and the art of plastic modeling Message-ID: <001901c25286$2a7681a0$33a84644@frbgva.adelphia.net> Good Effort Peter!! I'd been unsubbed for the past couple of months, (in deep lurk now) and wondered if the project had ever gotten off the ground. The site looks fantastic, and much easier to navigate than the previous version we got hold of. Many thanks, Greg Balzer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:13 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: zen and the art of plastic modeling > Thanks, Peter! This will be a good read at work, while - uhm - > waiting for signatures. Yea, that's it. > > Anyway, a link to it has been added to the web site, on the links > page. I put it in twice, since we on the list have been calling > it "zen", and also under it's "real" title. > > > Matt Bittner > > > On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:35:46 -0400 (EDT), PetersList@aol.com > wrote: > > > I'm back from my three weeks drinking the mother in law's brandy in Cyprus. > > It must have had an effect because on the last day there I bought a house! > > > > To business, it's up and running at > > http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/woodman.html > > > > All I can say is I did my best. > > > > Thanks to everyone on the list for the encouragement, and especially to those > > who offered practical assistance. If I can single out Tom Werner Hansen, who > > saved me a mountain of work, and Charles Duckworth who generously agreed to > > my using a picture of one of his models to replace an original image which > > was giving me problems, even after he had seen the effect my handywork would > > have on his nice colour photo ;) In the end I persevered with the original > > and managed to make it usable, but the offer was greatly appreciated. > > > > Munchkin scalerswill be disappointed, but I hope most will find something > > useful > > > > cheers > > > > Peter L > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:40:27 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: Well I think they're all useful ideas, but I'm sticking to embossed ribs, for Spad wings, I believe they look like that in real life. I think it might be a good idea to check references carefully before deciding which method looks most like the wings one is trying to simulate. They do vary. Pedros (or Joeys) method of cutting strips is brilliant, I've always had problems doing that. Thanks Larry and Pedro. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:45:34 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros in a day? Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301F8E016@TUFAO> Oh, come on Dennis, It's about 3 pm around here and there's nothing more on your bench than the box.... WAKE UP!!!!! Time to go to work. Dennis, you're nuts ;-) You gonna have me waking in the middle of the night just to see how you are doing.... Go, man, go Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:50:54 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: strip cutting Message-ID: <04fa01c25287$c1ae8da0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Pedro wrote: > I am absolutely taken by your magnetic board thing. So you're magnetized! > Looking at the picture of the painted wing, though, I still think that > probably instead of going through the trouble of stretching the plastic, > ribs made of .005 thou strip are probably easier to install, since this > guarantees uniform thickness. Stretched strip gets even thinner than 5 thou. I may measure them with a micrometer to see how much they are on a working basis. Of course, the usefulness of the stuff is subjective. > A quick pass with 1000 wet and dry will blend > in the ribs and the paint will give a smooth finish to it all. Sometimes, the applied ribs loose at the edges, so sanding is always a risky proposal with this method. > When I did my Floh I used a trick I picked from Joey Valenciano (I think) I -snipped good advice- What if... take the "stop" card and place a thin sheet of steel (like a razor blade) and glue a couple of pieces of styrene of the desired rib width at the ends of the stop. CA glue won't stick to the steel too much, but will be enough for the plastic. Later when all is dry, insert the 5 thou or the painted decal sheet below the styrene blocks and against the credit card edge, put the steel ruler againts the styrene stops and cut between them. This way you won't need to carefully lift the second credit card from the gap! Just an idea D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:54:27 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Albatros in a day? Message-ID: Gosh I didn't realise what Dennis is up to, this is going to be fun! > > Go, man, go > > Pedro > Seconded! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:03:59 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <200209021003.59571.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I am absolutely taken by your magnetic board thing. Glad you like it. > Looking at the picture of the painted wing, though, I still think that > probably instead of going through the trouble of stretching the plastic, > ribs made of .005 thou strip are probably easier to install, since this .005" is way too thick. The 'normal' ribs in that photo are .002-.003" thick and they stand up higher than I think are appropriate. I do want to run around with my calipers, checking thicknesses of the various mylars that fill our world, though. Last night I found that the film sold for overhead transparencies is .003" thick which is getting close so I think it's possible to do what you suggest. You just have to find the right material. > A quick pass with 1000 wet and dry will blend > in the ribs and the paint will give a smooth finish to it all. > The major problem is cutting the 005 sheet in constant width. This is the virtue of stretching plastic, that's for sure. I've only spent a few minutes trying to do such a cut on transparency film and it looks do-able. What I did was lay the film on my magnet board. Then I lined up two long magnets (for strength) perpendicular to the film edge.This allowed me to generate automatic parallel lines by using a right triangle with one edge resting on the magnet edge. I won't say 'easily' but with just a bit of care I produced several identical, and very thin (.005-.007") wide strips. This gets pretty darn close to idea and one sheet of the film would generate a lifetime supply of strips if one had the patience to cut them. There's a downside, however. This plastic won't glue with liquid cement. BTW, don't tell anyone about these experiments as I wasn't going to mention them until I found something that worked :-) Has anyone ever glued transparency film to styrene with something other than CA? I've used white glue (canopies) and notice that Alberto is using white glue to glue interior framing into his Joystick N27. I'm sure it would work but the time to dry would be prohibitive when applying ribs. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:06:56 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: strip cutting Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301F8E041@TUFAO> > > So you're magnetized! Uhhh, Pedro, the Human magnet... I can picture myself going into the harware store and getting an instant coat of nails.... > > > > Stretched strip gets even thinner than 5 thou. I may measure > them with a > micrometer to see how much they are on a working basis. Of course, the > usefulness of the stuff is subjective. That's where decal strips might even be more effective.... > > > A quick pass with 1000 wet and dry will blend > > in the ribs and the paint will give a smooth finish to it all. > > Sometimes, the applied ribs loose at the edges, so sanding is > always a risky > proposal with this method. You're right....been there, seen that.... > > > When I did my Floh I used a trick I picked from Joey > Valenciano (I think) > I > -snipped good advice- > > What if... take the "stop" card and place a thin sheet of > steel (like a > razor blade) and glue a couple of pieces of styrene of the > desired rib width > at the ends of the stop. CA glue won't stick to the steel too > much, but will > be enough for the plastic. Later when all is dry, insert the > 5 thou or the > painted decal sheet below the styrene blocks and against the > credit card > edge, put the steel ruler againts the styrene stops and cut > between them. > This way you won't need to carefully lift the second credit > card from the > gap! > Just an idea Good thinking D. If you place a piece of 10 though, narrower than the width of the limiting blocks, below each block to leave a gap for the sheet to be pushed in, this should work fine.... > D. Could you please put your fantastic brain to work and find me a way of scratching 2 identical rhino exhausts for my gotha? I really don't know how to handle this..... Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:11:01 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Albatros in a day? Message-ID: <056e01c2528a$91762a00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dennis announced: > Everyone, > On my web site under German/Albatros/Albatros Build is my latest > venture into the world of the insane. > As the introduction says, see you on Monday The best of lucks to you and also to tech support for making it possible. BTW, you seem plenty of confidence in your speed, as you still haven't started yet (here's 11:09 AM). Is this the case of the hare and the turtle once again? Hope it's not! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:09:42 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <200209021009.42537.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Well I think they're all useful ideas, but I'm sticking > to embossed ribs, for Spad wings, I believe they look like that in real I think you're right, for Spads. They seem to have a very different look than ribs on any of the Sopwiths or German planes. I guess my view is shifting here. I started thinking that decals were THE solution, Diego told me I needed something higher for the Spad and recommended stretched plastic and now I'm seeing that I can solve the parallelism/placement problems of subtle ribs much better with plastic than with decals IF I can get the ribs thin enough. I think that's possible and I'm pursuing that. > life. I think it might be a good idea to check references > carefully before deciding which method looks most like > the wings one is trying to simulate. Agreed. My 'normal' ribs really look more like some of the ot fabric planes more than a Sopwith. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:12:38 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: > > Has anyone ever glued transparency film to styrene with > something other than > CA? I've used white glue (canopies) and notice that Alberto > is using white > glue to glue interior framing into his Joystick N27. I'm > sure it would work > but the time to dry would be prohibitive when applying ribs. > > Cheers --- Larry > And they'd fall off! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:17:06 -0500 From: "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> To: Subject: Re: FMP Austro-Hungarians (update) Message-ID: <001101c2528b$6bbee6c0$a36231cc@x1a2i2> Larry, Well, it looks like you might have the last laugh. Walmart sent the books out immediately, but they shipped them UPS, which I had specifically told them not to do! The address I gave them was a PO BOX, which UPS will not deliver to. I called UPS and they said we have to wait for the first delivery try, which should be 5 September, and then I can call them and go pick up the books at the local distro center. Yesterday I sent Walmart an e-mail to their "24 hour customer center" and never got an answer. I called their 1-800 # and they are closed for the holiday. All in all I have to say Walmart's online services seem to suck pretty bad, even if their prices are good. We'll see what happens. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:18:46 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: strip cutting Message-ID: <058801c2528b$d95d5720$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Pedro! > Uhhh, Pedro, the Human magnet... I can picture myself going into the harware > store and getting an instant coat of nails.... Just be careful to avoid the knife area on the store. > Good thinking D. If you place a piece of 10 though, narrower than the width > of the limiting blocks, below each block to leave a gap for the sheet to be > pushed in, this should work fine.... Right! The list is always a great place for brainstorming, if not for sürstromming > Could you please put your fantastic brain to work and find me a way of > scratching 2 identical rhino exhausts for my gotha? I really don't know how > to handle this..... I can't think but to make a master and cast any number of exhausts in resin or white metal. Have you contacted Barry in regard this? If you can provide a master... there are lots of modelers that can use such exhaust type! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:21:41 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: <058e01c2528c$3a12b9c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! > And they'd fall off! Not if you seal them with lacquer afterwards. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:26:02 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: strip stretching Message-ID: Then why not glue them on with laquer in the first place! /Neil C. > Neil! > > And they'd fall off! > > Not if you seal them with lacquer afterwards. > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:25:40 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: strip cutting Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301F8E06D@TUFAO> > > I can't think but to make a master and cast any number of > exhausts in resin > or white metal. Have you contacted Barry in regard this? If > you can provide > a master... Oh D. It's the master that is blocking me off. Oh master, master, why have you deserted me..... there are lots of modelers that can use such exhaust type! I'd be one of them, for sure ;-) P. > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:30:57 -0500 From: "Paul Hederer" <1100hedererp@speedeenet.com> To: Subject: Recommendations for on-line ordering Message-ID: <000d01c2528d$5aaf4ee0$a36231cc@x1a2i2> Hello All, I'm new to the list and I must say I've enjoyed the e-mails I've read over the past few days. By way of an introduction I'm interested primarily in A-H aircraft. I currently live in N.W. Florida in an area devoid of major hobby stores. I wanted to ask for opinions of a good on-line ordering site. I live about 30 minutes away from the nearest hobby store and the stock it pretty limited. So, if I need something unusual I have to order it on-line. This includes paint, decals, kits, the whole lot. I've been out of model building for a few years, so I'm not as current as I could be with the on-line shops. Thanks, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:43:20 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Recommendations for on-line ordering Message-ID: Hi Paul, I wondered about you, didn't recognise your name, but I'm often asleep and miss things. Glad you're enjoying yourself, previously I would have warned you about AH aircraft, but recently I've been thinking hard about Lohners. Even so I would recommend that you look into the French side of things, in particular Spads. Oh, and watch out for D, but I guess you probably realise that already. Welcome from Sweden:-) /Neil C. PS. Almost forgot your question, I use Hannants, but I'd hardly recommend them. Midland Counties are good for books, from Europe though. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:47:27 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Recommendations for on-line ordering Message-ID: <05fb01c2528f$a89170a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Paul! Welcome to the list! I've seen that your name was not familiar, but there is also some lurkers whose name don't know and they are subscribed to the list for years. I'm sure that you will enjoy the place. > By way of an introduction I'm interested primarily in > A-H aircraft. You'll find sick people like you here. > I currently live in N.W. Florida in an area devoid of major > hobby stores. Maybe Steve Perry can say something, since he's from the neighborhood. On wich town you're living? > I've been out of model building for a few years, so I'm not as current as > I could be with the on-line shops. Check the WW1 modelling website link page. All the places listed are worth to try, and we never hear complaints online about them. If only SANDLE would sell more WW1 aviation stuff! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:50:54 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Recommendations for on-line ordering Message-ID: <061701c25290$23b30be0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil from the north wrote: > Oh, and watch out for D, but I guess you > probably realise that already. Come on, I'm harmless except on full moon friday nights. 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I use Hannants and Aeroclub (England) which might not be very helpful to you. Hannants is OK if you live in the UK or Europe but I believe that their postage rates and minimum orders are excessively high if you live anywhere else. It would be worth checking their website though since they do hold a large stock of items of interest to us WWI types. By the way you'll find some odd sense of humour on this list. Neil C. is a UK renegade who lives in Sweden and his sense of humour is something else. He's got a thing about Spads just like some others are obsessed by Nieuports so don't let them bully you. If you like A-H stuff that's fine by me. Me? I like anything that's going. Cheers (and welcome). Tom -----Original Message----- From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] Sent: 02 September 2002 15:45 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Recommendations for on-line ordering Hi Paul, I wondered about you, didn't recognise your name, but I'm often asleep and miss things. Glad you're enjoying yourself, previously I would have warned you about AH aircraft, but recently I've been thinking hard about Lohners. Even so I would recommend that you look into the French side of things, in particular Spads. Oh, and watch out for D, but I guess you probably realise that already. Welcome from Sweden:-) /Neil C. PS. Almost forgot your question, I use Hannants, but I'd hardly recommend them. Midland Counties are good for books, from Europe though. This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:10:39 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Recommendations for on-line ordering Message-ID: Don't say you're starting in on me too Tom, I've had enough trouble with D and G today. Actually I like anything going too, I just like Spads most! /Neil C. Ps. Did anyone else just get a rather interesting message about the turkish lanuage, and it's relationship to Hungarian just now? > He's got a thing about Spads just like some others are > obsessed by Nieuports > so don't let them bully you. If you like A-H stuff that's > fine by me. Me? > I like anything that's going. > > Cheers (and welcome). > > > Tom ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4622 **********************