WWI Digest 4617 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo by "Dale Sebring" 2) Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) by Larry Marshall 3) no more model building for me by Larry Marshall 4) Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) by Karen Rychlewski 5) Koster Siemens-Schuckerts by "Lance Krieg" 6) Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) by Larry Marshall 7) Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) by Larry Marshall 8) Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) by Karen Rychlewski 9) Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) by Larry Marshall 10) RE: Koster Siemens-Schuckerts by "Graham Hunter" 11) 1/72 A7V availability by Larry Marshall 12) Re: Koster Hannover by Morg17ms@aol.com 13) re: Eindecker Color by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 14) Re: Combat Fronts - Asia by Shane Weier 15) Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 16) Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 17) Re: Spads, Balilla and a lonely LVG by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 18) Re: Koster Siemens-Schuckerts by "Dale Sebring" 19) Re: Spads, Balilla and a lonely LVG by Larry Marshall 20) Re: Koster Hannover by "Dave Burke" 21) re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 22) Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages by "Lance Krieg" 23) re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo by Larry Marshall 24) Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 25) re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 26) re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 27) Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages by "Hans Trauner" 28) Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages by Larry Marshall 29) re: Eindecker Color by "Hans Trauner" 30) re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo by Larry Marshall 31) Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 32) re: Eindecker Color by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 33) re:Toko variants by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 34) re: Eindecker Color by "Hans Trauner" 35) re: Acrylic Metallics by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 36) re: Eindecker Color by Larry Marshall 37) re: Eindecker Color by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 38) Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages by Larry Marshall 39) re:Toko variants by Larry Marshall ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:28:07 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo Message-ID: <000201c25053$c1d89720$fc9dfea9@RDS> I swapped for it....oh well. Dale > Your PE is missing from the kit? Maybe Koster can send you a replacement set > if you bought the kit from them directly. > D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:39:56 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) Message-ID: <200208301439.56358.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Write to Andrei to Andreikor@aol.com he's a good friend and a most I will do that. His finish work is unbelievable. > cooperative modeler. Some of his stuff is just too good to be believed! > Specially his 1/32 figures. Karen referred me to a diorama by him in Internet Modeler. Are some of his figures available for display via the web? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:43:50 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: no more model building for me Message-ID: <200208301443.50361.larrym@sympatico.ca> I'm afraid I must drop out of the model building world. I just received a copy of FMP's Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of WWI and I won't have time for building models for a while :-) WOW! Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:44:23 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) Message-ID: <3D6FBD07.A4FE01D9@earthlink.net> Larry Marshall wrote: > ... > > Karen referred me to a diorama by him in Internet Modeler. Are some of his > figures available for display via the web? Andrei used to have a website, but it was on one of those ISPs that went belly up. Try typing 'Koribanics' into Google... Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:49:53 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Koster Siemens-Schuckerts Message-ID: Dale has: "...PE is missing from the kit? Maybe Koster can send you a replacement set..." But is contrained by the fact that he didn't buy the kit from Koster. I cannot recall how much PE is in this kit - not much, certainly, though I can check. However Koster does sell all the components of his models separately, and so you can replace it. Since we're on the subject of Koster's component sales, I should point out that both the decal sheet and the various grenades that come with his Hannover are excellent (as is the Argus engine), and certainly worthy of acquisition for other projects. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:48:13 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) Message-ID: <200208301448.13736.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Well, I am nice (ask Lance...), but it was ole Ernest "Crazy Cajun" > Thomas who dubbed me 'Dame' back when I signed on this gathering place > of loonies. As I recall, youse guys already had a list Goddess > (Candace), a list Mistess (Lorna) and a list Reverand (Sharon), so I > ended up as the Dame and we all know > there is nothing like... Unfair...sexism....civil liberties union where are you? How come the women get titles and keep them. Mine changes ever time Diego posts a msg in response to one of mine :-) Ok...Dame Karen...let it be written...let it be done. But I have seen models by both you and Candice and you're both goddesses in my book. Cheers --- Larry "Black hat, alias, Scorpion King, alias the Knife" Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:52:27 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) Message-ID: <200208301452.27296.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Andrei used to have a website, but it was on one of those ISPs that went > belly up. Try typing 'Koribanics' into Google... Ha...I'm doing that right now. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:55:53 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) Message-ID: <3D6FBFB9.3619AE9C@earthlink.net> Larry Marshall wondered: > ... How come the women > get titles and keep them. Mine changes ever time Diego posts a msg in > response to one of mine :-) You don't really want me to answer that, do you?? Hannover update coming soon... Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:06:16 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Caudron G.3 (was Re: Re: strip stretching) Message-ID: <200208301506.16980.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Hannover update coming soon... Oh goodie...vicarious modeling while I read my book :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:22:03 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Koster Siemens-Schuckerts Message-ID: <000701c2505a$8602bbc0$770101c0@ghunter> Lance wrote: Since we're on the subject of Koster's component sales, I should point out that both the decal sheet and the various grenades that come with his Hannover are excellent (as is the Argus engine), and certainly worthy of acquisition for other projects. How true :-) I had Doc Tom pick up the Hannover kit for me while he was at the Nats. I have never been a fan of white metal parts, but the Koster castings are excellent. Very little and no flash, no off-set on mold join seams. And the detail is outstanding. The Argus engine has the individual valve spring/lifter/rod in WM and for such tiny pieces the level of detail is amazing. Very nice set of WM grenades too! Graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:49:20 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 1/72 A7V availability Message-ID: <200208301549.20590.larrym@sympatico.ca> The Emhar A7V is on the Squadron website now. I also noticed that they have the Eduard E.III Profipak kit. I ordered both. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:21:16 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Koster Hannover Message-ID: <90.2b407b70.2aa12dbc@aol.com> --part1_90.2b407b70.2aa12dbc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having just acquired the Koster Hannover kit (very rapid delivery) I can echo Lance's comments! I think the Koster white metal is the best I've seen, and I usually hate the stuff. Tom Morgan --part1_90.2b407b70.2aa12dbc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having just acquired the Koster Hannover kit (very rapid delivery) I can echo Lance's comments!  I think the Koster white metal is the best I've seen, and I usually hate the stuff.

Tom Morgan
--part1_90.2b407b70.2aa12dbc_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:30:01 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Eindecker Color Message-ID: <059701c25064$0565bb20$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > At least Grzegorz, and maybe some others, were interested in this > subject... So the Resedagrun colour is confirmed in this articles? Thanks! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:35:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Re: Combat Fronts - Asia Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7105958F27@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Knut Erik says: >There was some action in the Pacific, the Germans had colonies there with >garisons and a fleet that first beat the RN in the Battle of Coronel, >and later got into trouble when entering Port Stanley in the Falklands >(Malvinas) after passing into the Atlantic. This is so. >An Australian cruiser disappeared after destroying a German raider >in the Pacific, while the crew from the raider captured a small sailing >vessel and made it back to Germany via Turkey. This is *way* wrong. The German cruiser Emden was destroyed in battle by the Australian cruiser HMAS Sydney. This was the first ever surface combat by the Royal Australian Navy. Some members of Emden's crew made it back by the means suggested. BTW, Revell make an excellent kit of Emden in 1:350 However - In *WW2* another Australian cruiser of the same name disappeared in the Indian Ocean after - it is believed - a fatal encounter with a German raider. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:36:44 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages Message-ID: <05a901c25064$f523a1e0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Lance! In the JaPo Alb. (Oeffag) D.II/III book you can see photos of the same aircraft (53.02 IIRC), on the first fuselage is very light, and on the second very dark (almost black). And the metal or fabric parts arent changed considerably! I think it's not a matter of ortho/panchromatic films, but just the light conditions. As an active photographer I can assure you, that it's easily possible! (I think Shane or Nigel can confirm it). But if Diego has photos with dark AND light fuselages... Maybe some of them are painted? G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:40:57 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages Message-ID: <05df01c25065$8bc41e40$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > There are some pictures showing both D-II and D-III at the same time and > the D-II's look darker. > Mike Muth Because they are older? G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:47:26 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Spads, Balilla and a lonely LVG Message-ID: <063901c25066$72f5e8c0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > I got interested in the > C.V because of Bob's Polish profiles. > Cheers --- Larry Hehehe! Good boy! :-) G. (the Pole) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:50:10 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Koster Siemens-Schuckerts Message-ID: <000e01c25066$d565cca0$fc9dfea9@RDS> Thanks Lance, I will go directly to Koster-his bits & pieces are very nice! Regards, Dale > Dale has: > > "...PE is missing from the kit? Maybe Koster can send you a replacement ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:57:01 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spads, Balilla and a lonely LVG Message-ID: <200208301657.01480.larrym@sympatico.ca> > > I got interested in the > > C.V because of Bob's Polish profiles. > > Cheers --- Larry > > Hehehe! > Good boy! I seem to be interested in a lot of Polish aircraft lately. My Rumpler C1 project will be Polish and my Caudron G3 project is motivated by a Polish aircraft. Maybe it's the good food :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:35:14 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Koster Hannover Message-ID: <006101c2506d$219ba120$5e96aec7@s0024008072> > > Having just acquired the Koster Hannover kit (very rapid delivery) I can echo > Lance's comments! I think the Koster white metal is the best I've seen, and > I usually hate the stuff. > > Tom Morgan I have two, if that says anything - I have built several of his kits and I think that they're first rate. DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:31:58 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo Message-ID: <08ee01c2506c$abb43800$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > (seems like he got > somehow confused on the decal instructions... lower lozenge:lower wing) "He" means the Toko designer. Decals are supplied like this... G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:37:53 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages Message-ID: Grzegorz points out that one color can photograph very differently; does this mean that you believe the fuselages to have been light-colored (as they are shown in the JaPo book profiles?) Of course, I think it is pretty clear that the Oeffag built machines *were* light colored, as is illustrated by numerous factory and other photos, even of D.II models. But were the Albatros, OAW, and LVG D.II machines produced in Germany also light, and we have believed them to be dark due to various factors (as DS Abbott maintains)? Or did the coloring practices change with the introduction of the D.III to eliminate a stain previously used? I can find photos to support both theories, but believe that *most* of the D.I/D.II photos show an apparently darker fuselage than are found on unpainted examples of later Albatros aircraft. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:42:27 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo Message-ID: <200208301738.22047.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Friday 30 August 2002 17:33, you wrote: > > (seems like he got > > somehow confused on the decal instructions... lower lozenge:lower wing) > > "He" means the Toko designer. Decals are supplied like this... Not really. The Toko kit comes with the same color lozenge for top and bottom of both wings. The builder of the one we just looked at ha used different decals to achieve the result he's displaying. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:59:55 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages Message-ID: <090a01c25070$934c3700$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Grzegorz points out that one color can photograph very differently; does > this mean that you believe the fuselages to have been light-colored (as > they are shown in the JaPo book profiles?) JaPo profiles shows only Oeffag planes. I don't have opinion about German D.I/IIs, and Oeffags were undoubtly very light, so shows the profiles. Austrians called this finish "weiss" (white). I wrote only that photos can trick us. This "dark" Oeffag was for sure light one. G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:06:12 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo Message-ID: <091001c25071$744fab60$0200a8c0@grzesiek> From: Larry Marshall > Not really. The Toko kit comes with the same color lozenge for top and bottom > of both wings. The builder of the one we just looked at ha used different > decals to achieve the result he's displaying. We probably have different variants of this kit. Maybe you have Eastern Express clone? My original Toko Siemens had decals as follows: darker (upper) lozenge for upper wing (decal nr 12) lighter (lower) loz. for upper wing (nr12a) two pairs of the lighter (lower) lozenges for lower wings (nos 13 and 14) There is no upper lozenge for lower wing! Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:08:04 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo Message-ID: <091a01c25071$b6b46f40$0200a8c0@grzesiek> And my Pfalz D.XII has similar mistake!!! No "upper lozenge for lower wing! Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:52:47 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages Message-ID: <033c01c25077$f5cbce20$97bc72d4@FRITZweb> Listees, I ahve discussed that problem with my friend Jürgen Kiroff (www.rlm-farben.de). We came to the following opinion: Birch ply was covered with shellac. Shellac is a natural product. The hue can range from clear over honey to red or red-orange. And the hue will get deeper with time. Albatros, Albatros OAW, LVG - they all used different charges of shellac. The darker fuselages where not stained, but they simply used a different charge of shellac. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:50:42 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages Message-ID: <200208301850.42120.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I don't have opinion about German D.I/IIs, and Oeffags were undoubtly very > light, so shows the profiles. Austrians called this finish "weiss" (white). > I wrote only that photos can trick us. This "dark" Oeffag was for sure > light one. Grzegorz....are there sources of information about Austro-Hungarian colors that are written in English? Is the information you're posting from Polish sources? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:03:15 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: re: Eindecker Color Message-ID: <034201c25079$6c39fe00$97bc72d4@FRITZweb> I still don't believe the 'Reseda'green theory. And if the Chief of the Luftwaffen Museum ( Berlin Gatow, not 'Appen') is quoted: Don't think that these guys there have any idea how a WWI aircraft should look like. The Fokker D VII is covered with underside Tarnstoff, the Siemens D III is painted dark chocolate brown, a Fokker Dr I solid olive, a Junkers D. I light green. And the Fokker E III is painted light pea green, not reseda. ( All a/c are replicas, some of them are even worse than a Aurora 1954 kit). I think the 'reseda' theory is coming from a quite dark *unbleached* linen Fokker used. There is no real green linen, sorry. And the Fokker E series were not painted! There are enough pics were you can see the heavy stains from the castor oil. And these stains 'bleeds' into the fabric, which it would not do if the linen was painted. But it will easily creep below the Zapponlack dope. As already said I would accept a greyish, greenish unbleached linen. Original Reseda green is greyish green... Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: [WWI] re: Eindecker Color > > > At least Grzegorz, and maybe some others, were interested in this > > subject... > > So the Resedagrun colour is confirmed in this articles? > Thanks! > G. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:56:37 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Os modelos mais grandes do mundo Message-ID: <200208301856.37652.larrym@sympatico.ca> > We probably have different variants of this kit. Maybe you have Eastern > Express clone? No, mine is a Toko (Ro #116) box. > My original Toko Siemens had decals as follows: > darker (upper) lozenge for upper wing (decal nr 12) > lighter (lower) loz. for upper wing (nr12a) > two pairs of the lighter (lower) lozenges for lower wings (nos 13 and 14) > There is no upper lozenge for lower wing! This is very interesting. My kit has lozenge to cover both top and bottom of both wings (actually two sets for the top wing (D.III & D.IV) and they're all the same colors (wrong colors). They do match the lozenge supplied to cover the tail feathers though :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:14:44 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages Message-ID: <000f01c2507b$072722c0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Grzegorz....are there sources of information about Austro-Hungarian > colors that are written in English? Is the information you're posting > from Polish sources? Sure. O'Connor's articles in the Cross and Cockade. JaPo book contains a lot of info about it (its in English, but it's a Czech book) - author Petr Tesar is serious researcher, but has very unorthodox opinions sometimes. Also there are a lot of Czech and some Polish sources (we had many Oeffags in 1919-20). Austrian colours are well described, as Austrian archives contains precise informations about particular planes finishes. Also Austrians had fairly small numbers of aircrafts. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:17:04 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Eindecker Color Message-ID: <001501c2507b$5ab36160$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > I still don't believe the 'Reseda'green theory. Austrian greyish-green is confirmed by Banfields and other pilot statement in O'Connor's article in C&C. Probable Resedagrun Fokkers were German or Austrian? G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:34:54 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re:Toko variants Message-ID: <001f01c2507d$d8893540$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Larry! > No, mine is a Toko (Ro #116) box. The same! > This is very interesting. Really interesting! >(actually two sets for the top wing (D.III & D.IV) I don't have separate sets for D.III and D.IV, this decal is designed to fit both (has aileron area a little wider). Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:43:44 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: re: Eindecker Color Message-ID: <035b01c2507f$14661be0$97bc72d4@FRITZweb> Do you know the story of O'Connor interviewing Banfield while B. was eating is favourite dish, a Wiener Schnitzel? O'Connor insisted in a description of the 'real hue' of the blue for the Blue Lohner. B. replied 'Blue' but O Connor still was not satisfied. So Banfield simply pointed with his fork to a Bierfilz ( beer mat? beer coaster? - a sheet of pressed paper which is used below a glass of beer to keep the table dry). On this Bierfilz some sort of advertisement for a brewery was printed - in blue. So we all get the exact hue of the Blue Lohner flying boat. ;-) Eindecker: I fully accept any hue of unbleached natural linen, Grzegorz, and there are greyish / greenish variants. But I don't accept Eindeckers painted ín green. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: [WWI] re: Eindecker Color > > > I still don't believe the 'Reseda'green theory. > Austrian greyish-green is confirmed by Banfields and other pilot statement > in O'Connor's article in C&C. > Probable Resedagrun Fokkers were German or Austrian? > G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:36:58 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Acrylic Metallics Message-ID: <002b01c2507e$223b2cc0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> I love my Pactra acrylic aluminium. At first I hated it, as it was really translucent, but you just have to paint it thrice or four times, and looks perfectly, even hand brushed! Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:46:44 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Eindecker Color Message-ID: <200208301946.44085.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I think the 'reseda' theory is coming from a quite dark *unbleached* linen > Fokker used. There is no real green linen, sorry. And the Fokker E series > were not painted! There are enough pics were you can see the heavy stains > from the castor oil. And these stains 'bleeds' into the fabric, which it > would not do if the linen was painted. But it will easily creep below the > Zapponlack dope. Is there really any relevance between E.IIIs built/flown by Germans and the 14 Austro-Hungarian A.IIIs (the supposedly greenish ones)? While it's true that they were built in Germany, it's unclear to me how one can be so certain from photos of E.IIis in Germany what was done with the 14 received by the Austro-Hungarian Army. There might be a reason but I'm not sure what it is. The photos I've seen of the A-H A.IIIs don't have the castor staining that you're referring to and they just don't look the same color as E.IIIs, though the photos certainly vary in this regard. It is the case that each of these aircraft had markings added on arrival, 12 had French powerplants and at least one had a Schwarlzlose lead-thrower rather than a Spandau. None of that would be predicted by looking at German E.IIIs. > As already said I would accept a greyish, greenish unbleached linen. > Original Reseda green is greyish green... Whether painted or simply grey-green linen, isn't the most compelling evidence for green A.IIIs the pilot report that his aircraft was "green"? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:52:18 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Eindecker Color Message-ID: <00b501c25080$4c6c5800$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Do you know the story of O'Connor interviewing Banfield while B. was eating > is favourite dish, a Wiener Schnitzel? No, I don't! Write me more, please! What is the source? Banfield or O'Connor? Or the Schnitzel? ;-) O'Connor writes that Austrian Eindeckers were (according to Banfield and one other pilot - don't remember the name) PAINTED in greyish-green. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:03:55 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros D.II Fuselages Message-ID: <200208302003.55378.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Sure. O'Connor's articles in the Cross and Cockade. Is it easy for you to tell me which volumes these are in? > JaPo book contains a lot of info about it (its in English, but it's a Czech I've just gotten this book recently and for the most part I've only had a chance to drool over the photos. > Also there are a lot of Czech and some Polish sources (we had many Oeffags > in 1919-20). I also have Goworek's book, largely because of your recommendation and Karen's selling me a copy at a great price. I can't read it but it does have a lot of color info. I guess my question is more along the lines of A-H aircraft in general more than just the Albatros (Oeffag) series. > Austrian colours are well described, as Austrian archives contains precise > informations about particular planes finishes. So much so that the the reigning 'authority' book on the these aircraft refuses to discuss color at all :-) Where does one find good (even marginal) information on Aviatiks, Lloyds, etc.? > Also Austrians had fairly small numbers of aircrafts. In numbers maybe but certainly a lot of types. Cheers --- Larry > G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:06:12 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re:Toko variants Message-ID: <200208302006.12967.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I don't have separate sets for D.III and D.IV, this decal is designed to > fit both (has aileron area a little wider). It's unclear why they added the extra set as one set is just a deeper version of the other. I guess they figure you can't trim but you can squint to ignore the bad colors :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4617 **********************