WWI Digest 4583 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: European flooding by Dave Fleming 2) Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue by "Michael Kendix" 3) Re: Nats images on line! by Karen Rychlewski 4) Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 5) Re: Rhinebeck by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 6) Re: The \"Itch\" by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 7) Re: The \"Itch\" by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 8) RE: Nats images on line! by Michael Fletcher 9) Holidays !!!! by Casirati Alberto 10) Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 11) Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue by Larry Marshall 12) I Know it's ot but anyway... by "Diego Fernetti" 13) RE: Nats images on line! by "Matt Bittner" 14) eBay Item by pschwartzkopf 15) Re: European flooding by "Marek Mincbergr" 16) RE: Back from vacations by "Marek Mincbergr" 17) Re: Superglue diffusing through plastic?? by "Hans Trauner" 18) Re: Superglue diffusing through the plastic?? by "Hans Trauner" 19) Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue by ssh 20) Re: European flooding by "Hans Trauner" 21) Re: The \"Itch\" by "Brent Theobald" 22) Slightly ot Airfoil Question by "Ken Acosta" 23) LeRhone Throttle qn by ssh 24) Re: LeRhone Throttle qn by "Brent Theobald" 25) Re: LeRhone Throttle qn by ssh 26) Re: Slightly ot Airfoil Question by Michael Fletcher 27) Re: LeRhone Throttle qn by Larry Marshall 28) Pegasus/Blue Max by "charles robinson" 29) Re: LeRhone Throttle qn by "Brent Theobald" 30) Re: LeRhone Throttle qn by Greg West 31) Re: LeRhone Throttle qn by Larry Marshall 32) Re: Pegasus/Blue Max by Larry Marshall 33) Re: LeRhone Throttle qn by Morg17ms@aol.com 34) need scratchbuilding advice by "ernest thomas" 35) Re: LeRhone Throttle qn by Steven Perry 36) LeRhone Throttle qn by knuterha@eunet.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:05:25 +0100 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: European flooding Message-ID: <1029254725.3d592e45636a4@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Kenneth Zelnick : > I've been reading in the newspaper about all the flooding in Europe. I > hope > all of our European members are OK. > > Best wishes, > > Ken Zelnick > Worst seems to be in Prague, hope all our listees in Czech Republic are OK Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:04:58 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue Message-ID: >From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) > >Just a suggestion here. All of the kicker bottles come with spray >heads on them. In almost all cases, for our use, even a very gentle >push is way more kicker than we need. True for me too. I dip a "Microbrush" thingy in the bottle and barely touch the CA - the fumes are frequently sufficient to do the job. I did the same thing with the lead spheres and CA but obviously I used more. I have never used the spray and the only time I saw someone use it was when they demonstrated it in the hobby shop. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:05:24 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nats images on line! Message-ID: <3D592E45.18F6933E@earthlink.net> Matt Bittner wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:32:47 -0400 (EDT), Diego Fernetti wrote: > > And this one > > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/USNats2002/images/nats12_jpg.jpg is very > SCARY! > > Not only that, you can tell how Bill Arnold builds all these > models. It looks as if he needs a ton of sleep! Actually, being one of only two 'hot-wheels' scale listee modelers in attendance gave him a lot to be defensive about... Karen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:08:49 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue Message-ID: <1029254929.3d592f111174c@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting John Huggins : > Just a suggestion here. All of the kicker bottles come with spray > heads on them. In almost all cases, for our use, even a very gentle > push is way more kicker than we need. I take the spray head off and > replace with a regular cap. > > When needed, I use a #J crochet hook to transfer a drop to the > intended place. For seams, capillary action will pull the kicker > down the seam. Two or three drops and all is finished. For struts, > small parts ect. the small drop is all that is needed. For areas > like nose weights or where you need a lot of something in one area, a > couple of drops randomly placed will cure all of the CA in very short > order. Good idea John, I'm off to the sewing shop !! I think the spray heads are designed for our radio control brethern who require large amounts over a big area. I use either a small brush or an old pair of tweezers, but I have found even if you hold a wooden toothpick soaked in kicker near the part, the fumes are sometimes enough to do the job Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:10:45 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Message-ID: Hi All, I was planning on going on Sept 29th for the Bi-Plane Fly in weekend...As great as the Model meet is, the real birds are better!!!! I usually make both weekends, but not this year....Anyone else for the 29th??? Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:13:15 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The \"Itch\" Message-ID: Hey, just dropped a lung at IKEA this past Saturday!!! Got a bunch of new bookcases and cabinets that will be put to OT use!!! Of course, the wife bought a bunch of stuff too...Gotta keep the lady happy!! Regards, John >>Probably buys her furniture at Ikea............. dave<< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:21:57 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The \"Itch\" Message-ID: D, Sometimes...I worked on 3 Glencoe A-H Albatros D.III's at the same time once.. It wasn't that much extra work to do everything you need to do to this kit x 3!!!! Sometimes, I'll do 2 that have similar finishes, so as to make painting easier. It just seems to break up the boredom that we all sometimes get with a project that is taking a while to complete... Regards, John "Diego Fernetti" .gov.ar> cc: Sent by: Subject: [WWI] Re: The \"Itch\" wwi@wwi-models.or g 08/13/2002 11:52 AM Please respond to wwi Two equal kits? e.g. two Eduard Hanriots? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: The \"Itch\" > > Hi All, > Something that started working for me was doing 2 or more kits at once. It > seems to elimnate the "itch" for a new subject and allows variety while > building, plus it helps you get those hundreds of kits built in one > lifetime!!! This actually started because my wife figured out that at my > present pace, it would take about 147 years to finish the kits I have one > at a time, so by doing 2 or more at the same time, I can at least cut that > number in half!!!!!!! ; ) > > Regards, > John > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:20:24 -0400 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Nats images on line! Message-ID: <3D5931C8.CDDC0068@rogers.com> Not having seen all of the 1/72 Nieuports I can't really say... However the 12 had a number of deficiencies due to the drawings it was done from. Not the least is the fuselage - which IS fixable by making the forward part of the turtledeck wider than the kit intended. The kit more accurately represents a Beardmore machine (with the longer lower wings, and different shaped horizontal tail) than the French machines. The ailerons also require twisting to give them the correct washout. I haven't finished my drawings yet (other projects have interfered) but I have all the info now (finally) so that should be soon. There was more (mostly minor stuff) but memory fails me. Mike Fl. xtv16@dial.pipex.com wrote: > > Quoting Matt Bittner : > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:36:18 -0400 (EDT), Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > > > Maybe he built a Nieuport 12! > > > > I wish we could convince someone to come out with a "new" > > Nie.12!!! The HR is a horrid knock-off of the Rosemont vac, and > > I think Mike Fletcher said it's inaccurate anyway. > > > > > > Didn't Mike say *all* 1/72 Nieuports were inaccurate ? Mike, you out there ? > > Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:23:50 +0200 From: Casirati Alberto To: "Wwi Modeling List (E-mail)" Subject: Holidays !!!! Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F094D@SERVER1> At last, I am going to leave for my seaside holidays. I will be on the Ionio sea (one of the truly best seas in the whole world, believe me !) from the 16th August and will not be back until the 9th September. Therefore, I will unsubscribe from the 15th August to the 10th September. Please DO NOT send any messages to my office e-mail address (a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it). >From now on, please send your messages to my home address: a.casirati@lombardiacom.it Thank you very much in advance ! All the very best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:40:39 -0500 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue Message-ID: >Good idea John, I'm off to the sewing shop !! I think the spray heads are >designed for our radio control brethern who require large amounts over a big >area. i have several of the hooks on the table. One has tape around the handle. That one is used for kicker only (If you stick it into any CA, the CA cures instantly). The others are used for any other liquid that needs to be placed in precise spots one drop at a time. They will work with any liquid from water to jell type materials. The hook holds the drop of liquid till touched to a surface of some type. The only thing you have to learn to do is not touch the edge of the bottle while removing the hook. If you do, all of the liquid just ends up back in the bottle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:42:35 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue Message-ID: <200208131242.35819.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Just a suggestion here. All of the kicker bottles come with spray > heads on them. In almost all cases, for our use, even a very gentle > push is way more kicker than we need. I take the spray head off and > replace with a regular cap. When you're adding shot to the nose, if you simply add a bit of baking soda at the same time the CA will flash quickly without kicker. > I have a bottle of kicker that is at least 5 years old and I still > have half of it left. Kept closed, it will last a long time. When > used with the spray head, you will go through a bottle in a month or > less. The same is true even when you're building wood model and the truth is, spraying kicker results in joint crusting of the CA and weaker joints in my experience. I don't know if that's the case with plastics as I have never sprayed a plastic joint. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:04 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: I Know it's ot but anyway... Message-ID: <00bf01c242ea$2ca9c820$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Check this out! http://digilander.libero.it/quattrogattimostre/WMEfoto2002/r10.jpg http://digilander.libero.it/quattrogattimostre/WMEfoto2002/r11.jpg Awesome! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:28:43 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: Nats images on line! Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:42:53 -0400 (EDT), Michael Kendix wrote: > You're saying the Rosemont Nieuport 12 is inaccurate? How inaccurate? I'm not sure; that's an question for Mike Fletcher. I have yet to spec the kit out. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:21:27 -0500 From: pschwartzkopf To: Subject: eBay Item Message-ID: <200208131621.g7DGLSx14914@twcnebraska.com> I found this WWI British horse-drawn artillery set on eBay, for all of you 72 scale diorama fanatics: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1757333901 Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:55:19 +0200 From: "Marek Mincbergr" To: Subject: Re: European flooding Message-ID: <015201c242f2$988b9ac0$b3eb5ad4@j> Hi all, I am OK. The river is very strong and some areas of the city are flooded. Normaly there is stream with about 150 cubic meters per second and now it is about 4700 cM/s!! But the worst will come this night. The old city is mostly OK now, but ho know, how long it will be so. Good news for all of us. Both museums with OT planes are on hills, so they are safety. BR Marek > Worst seems to be in Prague, hope all our listees in Czech Republic are OK > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:45:51 +0200 From: "Marek Mincbergr" To: Subject: RE: Back from vacations Message-ID: <015301c242f2$99875fe0$b3eb5ad4@j> Hi, no, unfortunately no. I have not been so much (only circa 30 km :-) on the south. We have been treking in mountains and I have not been there alone... BR Marek > Did you go to the WWI museum in Kobarid? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:04:49 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Superglue diffusing through plastic?? Message-ID: <004c01c242f3$edd76e40$9ebc72d4@FRITZweb> > > When I spill some drops of this nasty stuff in bare plastic it is quickly > "absorbed" by the plastic surface so I guess that's possible that it may > permeate all the way thru a model wall if you use too much. > That's what happen when you go ot, Hans! > D. > I take an oath on my WWI unbuilt kit collection: I will never to it again, D.! I will always built only two-wingers, except when they are called FokkerMoraneBullet. H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:29:20 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Superglue diffusing through the plastic?? Message-ID: <00a201c242f7$57d18760$9ebc72d4@FRITZweb> > > I don't think anyone is going to be interested enough to do a thesis on this, so chalk it up to a mystery of life and take photos to document it next time it happens. Maybe they can be posted with the proof of Sasquatch, Yeti, Flying Saucers, and the real story behind crop circles - as evidence that if this happened, the others must. > > .Mark. Mark, I sanded it away. I strongly believe in Diego's theory. It was a sign by the Great Master Of Modelling never to go ot. H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:24:14 -0400 From: ssh To: Subject: Re: Lead Stains & Sasquatch WAS Re: Superglue Message-ID: <3D594B49000020AE@mta04.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) I simply pour wood glue over lead shot, and let sit until dry. Maybe this works better on 1:48 than smaller scales. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:33:24 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: European flooding Message-ID: <00fa01c242f7$e8854a80$9ebc72d4@FRITZweb> Luckily I am living in the northern part of Bavaria. The southern part and the Alps area suffered heavily. Also all the towns at great rivers ( Danube, Elbe). Salzburg, Passau are heavily flooded, Dresden also. No casualties yet, luckily. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Zelnick" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: [WWI] European flooding > I've been reading in the newspaper about all the flooding in Europe. I hope > all of our European members are OK. > > Best wishes, > > Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:05:45 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The \"Itch\" Message-ID: Howdy! >She said it was a common phenomena. I agree with this. Just console your wife that it could be worse. I have friends that have multiple motorcycles, cars and pickup trucks in various states of repair. If we need to form a support group for the spouses I can supply a few names. The first one being Tina Theobald. :-) Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:33:24 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Slightly ot Airfoil Question Message-ID: All- Briefly emerging from Lurk Mode to ask if any of the resident aeronautical geniuses on board know of a source where I could obtain the ordinates for the Navy N-22 airfoil. Thanks for indulging. KA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:45:46 -0400 From: ssh To: wwi-list Subject: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: <3D594B490001DE6E@mta04.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) In the course of researching theMorane-Saulnier type L(9-cyl LeRhone), I have run into a troubling oddity. In a photo of the interior of the plane, there is no evidence of a engine throttle. I always thought that engines always had a throttle. I have searched quite extensively on the web, but have not found any consistent explanations about throttles. (I also have the Herschel Smith book). All literature suggests that these engines always had a throttle, even though some sources suggest that rotaries were always run 'wide open' at full power. Can somebody please shed some light on this? Thanks in advance Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:02:17 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: Howdy! These engines were controlled by the magneto instead of a fuel throttle. You would "blip" the magneto to slow the engine down. Long story short: no throttle. This is one of the reasons rotary engined aircraft were so difficult to fly. Have fun! Brent >From: ssh >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] LeRhone Throttle qn >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:46:26 -0400 (EDT) > >In the course of researching theMorane-Saulnier type L(9-cyl >LeRhone), I have run into a troubling oddity. In a photo of the >interior of the plane, there is no evidence of a engine throttle. >I always thought that engines always had a throttle. >I have searched quite extensively on the web, but have not found any >consistent explanations about throttles. (I also have the Herschel >Smith book). > All literature suggests that these engines always had a >throttle, even though some sources suggest that rotaries were always >run 'wide open' at full power. > Can somebody please shed some light on this? >Thanks in advance >Sanjeev _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:12:01 -0400 From: ssh To: Subject: Re: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: <3D594B4900020D62@mta04.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Brent, What you say is correct, but if you look at photos, you will also see a throttle quadrant on most planes. eg, see the Nieuport pics on the site, http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/NieIV/NieIV_08.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:12:52 -0400 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Slightly ot Airfoil Question Message-ID: <3D599274.D972707E@rogers.com> This might have it... not sure what you mean by N-22 though. http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/ads/coord_database.html Mike Fl. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:12:36 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: <200208131912.36586.larrym@sympatico.ca> > interior of the plane, there is no evidence of a engine throttle. > I always thought that engines always had a throttle. > I have searched quite extensively on the web, but have not found any Sanjeev, they always have a 'blip switch' which turned the magneto on/off. There was no way to throttle them in a real sense. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:35:53 -0500 From: "charles robinson" To: Subject: Pegasus/Blue Max Message-ID: <000701c2432a$8c9bbfa0$49c10ad0@tomei> Hi List, Has anyone been able to bring up the Pegasus or Albatros Pubs. websites lately? Ohio Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:31:02 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: Howdy! I don't know who built that model, but their references are all wrong! :-) But seriously, I need to check my files. They *might* have been levers for trimming the aircraft. Tom Morgan may remember since he just completed a DH-2. I know the DH-2 had a similar device. Have fun! Brent >From: ssh >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: LeRhone Throttle qn >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:13:27 -0400 (EDT) > >Brent, > What you say is correct, but if you look at photos, you will >also see a throttle quadrant on most planes. >eg, see the Nieuport pics on the site, >http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/NieIV/NieIV_08.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:01:00 -0400 From: Greg West To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: could this lever be something to adjust the engine timing? pure speculation on my part. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:22:30 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: <200208132022.30778.larrym@sympatico.ca> > What you say is correct, but if you look at photos, you will > also see a throttle quadrant on most planes. I think I spoke too soon as it was certanily possible to pull throttle back to idle. The aircraft were able to idle on the flight line and any pilot description of activity speaks to "shutting down" to lose altitude and glide back to friendly territory. This wouldn't have been literallyshutting the engine off so simple high/low throttle must be possible. I also remember a throttle quadrant in the cockpit of Brian Coughlin's DVIII when he let me sit in it :-) Sorry for the mis-speak. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:28:01 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pegasus/Blue Max Message-ID: <200208132028.01953.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Has anyone been able to bring up the Pegasus or Albatros Pubs. websites > lately? I just checked them and both seem to be active. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:40:45 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: --part1_d.2b5625f4.2a8b010d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One point of confusion may be the 'elevator trim control lever' that many a/c had - these indeed looked like a typical throttle quadrant - often on the right side of British a/c. Sometimes these were a wheel. Also rotary a/c often had a crude 'throttle' - an air/fuel MIXTURE lever that could vary the engine's output, separate from the blip switch. This can sometimes be seen on the left side of a cockpit and could take the form of a quadrant-like lever, or a dial control. Tom Morgan --part1_d.2b5625f4.2a8b010d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One point of confusion may be the 'elevator trim control lever' that many a/c had - these indeed looked like a typical throttle quadrant - often on the right side of British  a/c.  Sometimes these were a wheel. Also rotary a/c often had a crude 'throttle' - an air/fuel MIXTURE lever that could vary the engine's output, separate from the blip switch.  This can sometimes be seen on the left side of a cockpit and could take the form of a quadrant-like lever, or a dial control.

Tom Morgan --part1_d.2b5625f4.2a8b010d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:19:30 -0500 From: "ernest thomas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: need scratchbuilding advice Message-ID: Hi Listers, Ok, not ALL listers, just those who are experienced/skilled at scratch-building masters. If I'm carving a wooden fuselage form for the purposes of skinning with styrene or maybe as a form to vac, how much smaller than actual size should the form be so it will be the right size after skinning or vac? 1%? 2%? Is there a rule of thumb or formula I can use? Tia, E. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:26:02 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: <3D59B1AA.9070906@tampabay.rr.com> I recall reading what Tom just said. There was a mixture control which could allow small changes in RPM around the normal wide open engine speed. Mainly for altitude compensation, but they were used for position keeping as well. Later in the war some rotaries could selectively shut down some cyls as well as blipping on/off. Here he comes round base and onto final, his first solo Camel flight about to successfully end. Nose a bit high and she wallows a tad in the cross wind. He blips. Concentrating on getting the nose down, the fledgling aviator forgets about the Camel's torque and on the second blip the wing goes over the top and he is staring at the speeding, rotating earth closing in at 60mph from 200 ft away. Sure could have used a real throttle. Those that learned to do it right were some kinda Pilots. sp Morg17ms@aol.com wrote: > --part1_d.2b5625f4.2a8b010d_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > One point of confusion may be the 'elevator trim control lever' that many a/c > had - these indeed looked like a typical throttle quadrant - often on the > right side of British a/c. Sometimes these were a wheel. Also rotary a/c > often had a crude 'throttle' - an air/fuel MIXTURE lever that could vary the > engine's output, separate from the blip switch. This can sometimes be seen > on the left side of a cockpit and could take the form of a quadrant-like > lever, or a dial control. > > Tom Morgan > > --part1_d.2b5625f4.2a8b010d_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > One point of confusion may be the 'elevator trim control lever' that many a/c had - these indeed looked like a typical throttle quadrant - often on the right side of British  a/c.  Sometimes these were a wheel. Also rotary a/c often had a crude 'throttle' - an air/fuel MIXTURE lever that could vary the engine's output, separate from the blip switch.  This can sometimes be seen on the left side of a cockpit and could take the form of a quadrant-like lever, or a dial control.
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> Tom Morgan > > --part1_d.2b5625f4.2a8b010d_boundary-- > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:34:21 +0200 (CEST) From: knuterha@eunet.no To: Subject: LeRhone Throttle qn Message-ID: <1179.193.214.111.226.1029288861.squirrel@webmail.kpnqwest.no> Hei, There are ways to control the power of a rotary. The Clerget family is the one I know best, but they are all similar. You could cut the ignition to a given number of cylinders, so that you were only firing the seven of nine or less. By "blipping" the engine you cut the ignition to all for a short time. It was also possible to change the fuel mix going into the engine, a leaner mix giving less power. All of this is rather crude and needs some experience to use compared to other engines. Eders Knut Erik >> interior of the plane, there is no evidence of a engine throttle. I >> always thought that engines always had a throttle. >> I have searched quite extensively on the web, but have not found any > > Sanjeev, they always have a 'blip switch' which turned the magneto > on/off. There was no way to throttle them in a real sense. > > Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4583 **********************