WWI Digest 4577 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered by "Hans Trauner" 2) Re: Russian Flyingboats by "David Vosburgh" 3) belgium news by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 4) Re: Russian Flyingboats by "Matt Bittner" 5) Re: Dilemma by "Len Smith" 6) RE: Suitable Paint for RFC Roundrels - 1918?? by "Len Smith" 7) ot Help Needed by Steven Perry 8) =?gb2312?q?=C8=AB=CA=D0=D7=EE=B1=E3=D2=CB=B5=C4=CA=D0=BB=B0=CD=A8200=D4=AA=A3=AC=CE=F7=C3=C5=D7=D33508=CA=D6=BB=FA=A3=BA430=D4=AA=A3=AC=CF=EA=C7=E9=C7=EB=B5=E7=A3=BA25967978?= by 25967978 9) The Question of the moment...and Roland C.II Help by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 10) RE: Suitable Paint for RFC Roundrels - 1918?? by CAUhlir@aol.com 11) Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered by "ernest thomas" 12) RE: Belgium Nieuport 23 by Michael Fletcher 13) Re: Capronis by "Fr. Craig Gavin" 14) DDr.I/Dr.I by "Michael Kendix" 15) Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered by Larry Marshall 16) Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered by "ernest thomas" 17) Web site update by Dennis Ugulano 18) Re: DDr.I/Dr.I by "Thomas Solinski" 19) Re: Capronis by Karen Rychlewski 20) Re: Web site update by "ernest thomas" 21) Have You Heard of Age Reversal with HGH? by "Rebecca Lew" 22) Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered by "Hans Trauner" 23) Re: DDr.I/Dr.I by "Hans Trauner" 24) Re: Hungary v. Rumania 1919 by E K 25) Rumanian planes against Hungary 1919 by E K 26) Unsubbing by PetersList@aol.com 27) Re: Unsubbing by "David Vosburgh" 28) Collishaw Book by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 29) Re: Collishaw Book by "Mike Muth" 30) Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered by Larry Marshall 31) Shane's Halberstadt by Marc Flake 32) Spraying Acrylics by "David Vosburgh" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:50:02 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered Message-ID: <000d01c24085$9727ef40$7abc72d4@FRITZweb> Listees, today I discovered three SE5 by Lindberg in the 'dusty kit corner' at my local plastic dealer. 16 € each = 16 U.S. $. Anyone interested? I would swap it for kits or decals or whatever. Or you order something from Eric and he sent it to me or from Americal or whatever. Contact me at hans.trauner@nefkom.net. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:23:12 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Russian Flyingboats Message-ID: <000701c2408a$39c0db00$e3ed19ce@dv2980> Thanks for the responses, everybody. All & any info greatly appreciated, looks like I'm going to have to scratch the M-9 if I want one. Matt, taking your suggestion I checked Red Star and they list 3 books from Russia, one on the M-5 & -20 and a two-volume set on the M-9 & -24, all at $15 ea. I might e-mail them and see if they're in stock, I'd at least like to get the ones on the M-9. I'm taken with the M-9 because of something mentioned in the Harleyford book, about the crew of one which was forced down at sea returning from a raid on Constantinople and "so menaced an enemy schooner with their 37mm Hotchkiss gun, that the crew abandoned their ship to the Russians." What a great scenario! DV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Russian Flyingboats > On 08-10-2002 07:32 am, you wrote: > > > I have a Russian text book, (datafile format), on the M-16. This > plane > > is best described as a Farman clone on floats. > > > > The publisher's name & address is in Russian, but they have a logo > that > > is two Zebras. The book is obviously part of a series, maybe these > are > > the same guys. > > Sounds like it. I wonder if they're out of print now, since I can't > find them anywhere on the 'net. > > > Matt > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:12:09 +0200 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: belgium news Message-ID: <002701c24099$72822160$d384043e@d6o1v9> Hi the gang,i come from a visit at the "musée de l'armée"(brussel's museum) and sorry but the Nie23 restoration area was close don't worry,i go to the museum next saturday to work on my LVG CVI. for today if i have the time i send you some pictures of WWI aa gun 3 germans and one french and do not forget we have 2 wwi tanks in the museum(wippet and markIV still in original color) and many gun some in original color. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:27:56 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Russian Flyingboats Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:24:33 -0400 (EDT), David Vosburgh wrote: > Thanks for the responses, everybody. All & any info greatly appreciated, looks like I'm > going to have to scratch the M-9 if I want one. I'm not so sure. Check the Czech (say that five times fast ;-)) producers, Omega or RVHP or... I could have sworn someone came out with the M.9 recently. > Matt, taking your suggestion I checked Red Star and they list 3 books from Russia, one on > the M-5 & -20 and a two-volume set on the M-9 & -24, all at $15 ea. I might e-mail them > and see if they're in stock, I'd at least like to get the ones on the M-9. Excellent. Glad to hear. > I'm taken with the M-9 because of something mentioned in the Harleyford book, about the > crew of one which was forced down at sea returning from a raid on Constantinople and "so > menaced an enemy schooner with their 37mm Hotchkiss gun, that the crew abandoned their > ship to the Russians." What a great scenario! Cool. What's the saying? If you can't wow them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:45:10 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Dilemma Message-ID: <000a01c240b0$96d8af40$104f08c3@oemcomputer> Shane, Know how you feel, luckily I have found that my modelling glasses act as bifocals. If I am modelling I look through them, if I am looking for something I look over them. Works a treat for me. Thanks for the kind words, it's great to see the occassional post from you wriggling under the barbed wire. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith > Boy do I understand this. I've been short sighted all my adult life, and > lost most of the vision in my right eye 15 years ago, but thought that my > specs and a desk magnifier would continue to suit just fine - only now I'm > neither short nor long sighted and need to either spend half my time > changing glasses or make the bold jump to bifocals. > > Gettin old. Feel like I'm no longer one of Len's whippersnappers (and BTW > Len, *I* didn't think you'd croaked or faded away into a dementiaed post OT > life, but am still pleased to hear from you again ;-) > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:58:25 +0100 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: RE: Suitable Paint for RFC Roundrels - 1918?? Message-ID: <000b01c240b0$97b2e2a0$104f08c3@oemcomputer> Candice, Sorry for the delay, my modem went to the Pearly (no relation to Bill) Gates in the sky. For Blue...Ultramarines Blue, with a touch of Regal Blue. For Red....Crimson Gore with a touch of Ruby Red. For White....Skull white. Make? I thought you would never ask! Citadel Colour of course, from Games Workshop. Is there any other acrylic range worth using? Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith > > Guys, > > I am forced to paint markings on my 1/48 Vimy. Does anybody have any > suggestions for suitable colors in a line of acrylics for the blue, red, > white??? > > Candice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:08:06 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: ot Help Needed Message-ID: <3D5580B6.4010704@tampabay.rr.com> Calling All, (any?), Halifax Fanciers! A buddy at work's Father flew Halifaxes. 102 Sqdn IIRC. I have had an Airfix Halibag about half finished for 2 years now. I have to get this thing done. Is there anyone out there that has an affinity for these beasties whom I could call on as I finish this Alumathingie? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:16:06 +0800 From: 25967978 To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: =?gb2312?q?=C8=AB=CA=D0=D7=EE=B1=E3=D2=CB=B5=C4=CA=D0=BB=B0=CD=A8200=D4=AA=A3=AC=CE=F7=C3=C5=D7=D33508=CA=D6=BB=FA=A3=BA430=D4=AA=A3=AC=CF=EA=C7=E9=C7=EB=B5=E7=A3=BA25967978?= Message-ID: <3D54E4A3000210E3@mta03.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) This is a multi-part message in MIME format --1ed62414-3356-11d3-a3c7-0075082930b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =CF=D6=B4=FA1100=CA=D0=BB=B0=CD=A8650=D4=AA(=BA=AC300=BB=B0=B7=D1 =D0=A1=BE=AB=C1=E9=CA=D0=BB=B0=CD=A81400=D4=AA=A3=A8=BA=AC300=BB=B0=B7=D1 SONY=CA=D0=BB=B0=CD=A8500=D4=AA=A3=A8=BA=AC300=BB=B0=B7=D1 =C4=DC=C9=CF=CD=F8=CE=F7=C3=C5=D7=D33508=A3=A8430=D4=AA =B0=AE=C1=A2=D0=C5T29=CA=D6=BB=FA500=D4=AA =BF=E2=B4=E6=C0=CF=CA=BD=CA=D6=BB=FA130=D4=AA=C6=F0=A3=AC=D0=C2=B5=C4 --1ed62414-3356-11d3-a3c7-0075082930b2-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:34:50 -0500 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "WWIFAQ-Group" Subject: The Question of the moment...and Roland C.II Help Message-ID: <008101c240bf$b7cd2000$2e32b9cc@ncsc> Been gone for 8 days - vacation in Colorado and now back to the humid midwest. Plan to get back into the Eduard Roland C.II this evening - still plugging away on the cockpit and observer's interior with handles being added to the antenna reel, cable to the weight on the floor and piping as shown in the DF. Added some PE switch handles and Eduard instruments to the pilot's instrument board and can tell after buttoning it up they'll be pretty hard to see. A friend has a pretty good set of WWI Aeros and I remember one having some GA drawings and detail drawings of the interior. Does anyone on the list know which issue has these? I'd like to see what both sides of the observer's cockpit looks like. Thanks, Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:06:27 EDT From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Suitable Paint for RFC Roundrels - 1918?? Message-ID: <114.15706902.2a86f673@aol.com> thanks Len....now I just need to find where I can purchase that product line.....but never fear...the net is near!! Candice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:26:05 -0500 From: "ernest thomas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered Message-ID: Hans, Don't think any Ami's will bite on this one. The Lindberg SE5 is only about 10US bucks and that's full retail. A bargain hunter can find them as low as 4 or 5 US. I've got a few myself, one that will get dressed up with the Eduard PE set. One of these days. E. >From: "Hans Trauner" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:44:27 -0400 (EDT) > >Listees, >today I discovered three SE5 by Lindberg in the 'dusty kit corner' at my >local plastic dealer. 16 € each = 16 U.S. $. Anyone interested? I would >swap >it for kits or decals or whatever. Or you order something from Eric and he >sent it to me or from Americal or whatever. Contact me at >hans.trauner@nefkom.net. > >Hans _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:45:10 -0400 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Belgium Nieuport 23 Message-ID: <3D55B396.7273B94D@rogers.com> At least some of the two seaters had a panel of ply with lightening holes at the rear of the cockpit. As these were taken on the assembly line at the factory they may have added fabric over the wood as well. Mike Fl. Diego Fernetti wrote: > > C'est trés jolie, n'est pas? > And we sent Frederick to have a look at it... hope he brings more news. So > far looks like an amazing work of restoration > A detail I've never seen before: check the laced bulkhead behid the seat. > Would that be a standard feature? Other single seater nieuports would ahve > had the same thing behind the seat, or if we're talking about the two > seaters, behind the rear cockpit? > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:47 AM > Subject: [WWI] Belgium Nieuport 23 > > > Just picked this up from the Aerodrome Forum. Someone there has posted > > images of the Brussels' Nie.23 undergoing restoration. Very, very > > nice!!! > > http://ibelgique.ifrance.com/baha3/nie23/Nieuport_23.html > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:50:03 -0500 From: "Fr. Craig Gavin" To: WWI Modelers List Subject: Re: Capronis Message-ID: Steven - Your first e-mail got me curious. I still haven't uncovered the Caproni DF to compare against the dimensional drawings. But there's definite out-of-the-box advantages in the Luedemann kit. First off, the engine pylons and main nacelle/fuselage have better surface detail (the Meikraft kit has none). The rib detail and airfoil of the Luedemann wings is much better represented. So too with the 3 rudders and horizontal stabilizer. The Luedemann kit also was some nice wheels, whereas the Meikraft kit has only p/e spoke wheels. The molding on the Meikraft kit is typical short-run (ie thick pieces with super-sized trees/gates). From a quick glance at my refs the Meikraft engines are all wrong for the Caproni whereas the Luedemann kit includes the proper type of engines. The downside of the Luedeman kit is that the resin has a lot of air bubbles and holes that will need filling. And on mine the molds must have been dirty of something as the parts have lumps and humps between the rib stations (nothing too bad however) but the surface of the parts are rather rough ala HitKit. Also a negative (or maybe a positive to some) the nacelle and cockpit of the Luedemann kit are molded as one piece with the interior detail already molded in (even the seats, fuel tanks and oil tanks). The Meikraft kit is more the traditional two-piece tub sort that allows one to first scratch-build the interior and then close everything up. Need to study this more as it is a rather open cockpit and therefore will draw a great deal of attention. The other difficulty with the Luedemann kit is the strut works, engines and other details suffered from "short-shot" resin. Ludemann also tried to make the "squirrel cage" for the rear gunner in resin - it's a hopeless blob. So far, I think I'll use the p/e, decals, and white metal parts from the Meikraft kit ( except the engines) and the rest will be Luedemann. At roughly $25.00 for the Luedemann kit, versus the unbelievable amounts that some are getting for the Meikraft kits, my advice would be to buy the Luedemann kit. Either way, it's not going to be a "shake 'n bake" build-up. Who knows - wait long enough and maybe Roden will come out with one like their Gothas. But I'm not holding my breath. Best regards - Craig + > From: Steven Perry > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:30:12 -0400 > To: cgavin@cox-internet.com > Subject: Capronis > > Craig: > Thanks for the response. I had heard the Miekraft was pretty rough and > was hoping the Ludenman was a lot better. Oh well seems a Caproni will > be a heap of work any way you slice it. I'm still determind to build one > some day. > Regards > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:03:47 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: DDr.I/Dr.I Message-ID: Please can someone explain why the SSW triplane is a "DDr.I" and the Fokker triplane is a "Dr.I"? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:19:11 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered Message-ID: <200208102219.11385.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Don't think any Ami's will bite on this one. The Lindberg SE5 is only about > 10US bucks and that's full retail. A bargain hunter can find them as low as What's the concensus on which is better, the Monogram/Revell SE5a and the Lindberg SE5a? For that matter, has anyone been able to compare the Monogram kit with the newly released Revel re-release? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:59:05 -0500 From: "ernest thomas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered Message-ID: >From: Larry Marshall >What's the concensus on which is better, the Monogram/Revell SE5a and the >Lindberg SE5a? I've got both kits, but they're so far down the list that I haven't even laid the parts for either on the GA's in High in the Empty Blue, so I can't speak for the accuracy of the outlines. I also haven't looked at either in some time so I'm just going on memory here. I like the Lindberg kit much better(or at least the parts). The Mongram wings and tail assy are chunky, the Lindberg has TE's that are almost razor sharp. The Monogram kit has the exhaust pipes molded on to the side of the fuselage, Lindberg made them seperate. Lindberg also made the pipes attach to a dandy little Hispano engine, which can be built into a real gem for those so inclined(ask SP about this). Mongram doesn't even have an engine and the struts are big and chunky with huge eyes to thread the rigging through, similar to the old 1/28 Revell Camel, and just as big. Lindberg's struts are very fine, dare I say it, possibly to scale. And if memory serves, the Monogram kit has the markings molded on too. I've got the Monogram just in case the references indicate a kit-bash might be the best approach to building a very nice, accurate SE. That, and the decals which includes a grim reaper squadron insignia. For that matter, has anyone been able to compare the Monogram >kit with the newly released Revel re-release? I wasn't aware that they re-popped it. I too would be interested in hearing about any changes Revell made to the mold. E. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:19:23 -0400 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Web site update Message-ID: <200208102319_MC3-1-A9B-B623@compuserve.com> Everyone, The Roland VIa is now on line. It's under German, Roland VIa. I also added a little text to the AGO in the same area. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 08/10/2002 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:35:21 -0500 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: DDr.I/Dr.I Message-ID: <001a01c240e8$1f41ee00$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> I have a theory If you'll look at my paper on German aircraft designators, the triplane was originally called a Type F aircraft. It deteriorated to the obvious moniker of Driedecker. Maybe the Type "D" was originally applied to the SSW aircraft with the Dr suffix to denote the triplane configuration. Much like the "L" was added to a "C" type aircraft to designate the new mission MTC MrT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kendix" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: [WWI] DDr.I/Dr.I > Please can someone explain why the SSW triplane is a "DDr.I" and the Fokker > triplane is a "Dr.I"? > > Michael > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:50:33 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Capronis Message-ID: <3D55ED19.5409A7F@earthlink.net> Craig, I was interested in your brief 'in-box' review of the Luedemann Caproni Ca.3. Like you, I haven't laid the pieces out on the DF drawings, but I *did*, also as you seem to have done, compare the Luedemann with the Meikraft. Now, I don't ordinarily do such things, but having had some small part in the production of the Meikraft kit, I was especially curious how well Luedemann would do it. Back when the Caproni in the USAF Museum in Dayton was being restored, I took a 'behind-the-scenes' tour of the restoration facilities and saw the Caproni spread out on the floor; was able to take a roll or two of photos of the pieces. I'd been in contact with John before this, buying his kits, and knew he was planning the Caproni kit; I sent him the photos and he used them in the designing of his kit (I still don't have the photos back, but that's another story...). I would agree with most of what you said with the exception of your comments on the engines: I think Meikraft's metal ones are far superior to the resin Luedemann copies. I don't use the word "copies" lightly--FWIW, I'm convinced that the designer of the Luedemann kit used the Meikraft kit as the 'master'. The differences in surface detail you noted are positive improvements over Meikraft's, of course, but the outlines of the wings, fuselage, engine nacelles, etc. match exactly; and on both kits, there are a few small bumps and blemishes in exactly the same place--too exact to be coincidence. It appears that someone took the Meikraft kit, cleaned it up, sharpened the trailing edges, added wing ribs of wire or string, put the fuselage together with most of the metal parts, and then made a new set of molds. The ideal build of this plane, as you said, would be a kit-bash of the two. Actually, I'm rather disappointed in Luedemann for doing this since virtually all of the other kits in this line are of really cool offbeat subjects that have never been kitted in any form. Shades of Czechmaster... But John, having gone to that big hanger in the sky, can't complain, and a new generation has a Caproni kit that's very buildable. My two zlotys worth... Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:12:05 -0500 From: "ernest thomas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: >From: Dennis Ugulano > The Roland VIa is now on line. Dennis, I still don't like you. E. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:40:53 +0800 From: "Rebecca Lew" To: morg17ms@aol.com Subject: Have You Heard of Age Reversal with HGH? Message-ID: <200208110638.g7B6cWc23128@ns.sxet.com.cn>
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------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:44:26 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered Message-ID: <002101c24113$4d1e2340$ada072d4@FRITZweb> Ernest, First Lindberg: many thanks for the actual market survey on Lindberg SE's. I'll tell this my plastic dealer. Second Revell: I found not the slightest change with the Revell re-issue compared to the last Monogram version. But the decals are quite good, maybe the roundel blue can be discussed. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:51:13 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: DDr.I/Dr.I Message-ID: <002901c24114$3f8aaf40$ada072d4@FRITZweb> It seems to be a provisonal works designation, combined from D-type and Dr. Even D-type would be wrong as the D.DrI was a twin engined object ( or should I really say 'aircraft?'). There is another sample like this, the Siemens D. D5. All those prototypes were not accepted by Idflieg, so they never got official designations. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 05:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: E K To: John MacGregor Cc: Rory Goodwin , Subject: Re: Hungary v. Rumania 1919 Message-ID: <20020811122703.55824.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> John hi! Thanks for the information you sent me about the planes used by the romanian during the rumanian "contre-revolution" operations in hungary. I have some information including photos of the franco-czech Breguet squadron operating during this conflict as well a single b&w photo of a rumanian Sopwith Strutter (from an article in the french Avions magazine)I'll scan it for you if you want. What is the "regular australian camo" of the rumanian uffag you mentioned? stripes (dark grey/light grey or green/tan) or lozenge? The strutter seeems to have been finished in a light (silvered dope)non reflecting uniform finish. This was also the colour of contemporary rumanian Nieuports. Has someone more information on the camouflage and colours of the hungarian and rumanian planes during this period? Thanks Eric __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 05:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: E K To: John Cc: Rory Goodwin , Tom , Subject: Rumanian planes against Hungary 1919 Message-ID: <20020811123436.29437.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> I have found this list of the ex-Austro-Hungarian aircraft types that were impressed into ARR service in the inter-war period: Hansa-Brandenburg C.I UC.I L.V.G. V Fokker D.VII (both single- and two-seat version) Berg D.I Phönix C.I Hansa-Brandenburg W.29 seaplane Warschalamsky (?) Interestingly, there were also several captured Nieuports (Nie.21, 23 and 28) that were later enlisted in the ARR roster. and this other one: Rumania1919: Hansa Brandenburg c1-UFAG series 269 Hansa Brandenburg c1-Phonix Aviatik Berg C1 Aviatik Berg D1 Breguet-Michelin BM.4B.2 Breguet 14 A2 & B2 Farman F40 Nieuport 17bis C1 bebe, Nieuport 24, Sopwith 1 1/2 strutter, Spad 7c1, Spad 13, these lists are without photos or drawings eric __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:06:48 EDT From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Unsubbing Message-ID: <151.12451105.2a87bb68@aol.com> I'll be signing of later today and disappearing to Cyprus for three weeks. Don't be envious, I'm staying with the mother-in-law.. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:25:32 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: Unsubbing Message-ID: <002e01c2413a$92b46640$e0ed19ce@dv2980> Stay away from the topless beaches, you can lose track of time and end up with a horrible sunburn. But you probably already know that, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: [WWI] Unsubbing > I'll be signing of later today and disappearing to Cyprus for three weeks. > Don't be envious, I'm staying with the mother-in-law.. > > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:25:57 -0400 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Collishaw Book Message-ID: <001d01c2413a$a1110130$06385b0c@cyrixp166> Hi All- I have found a copy of Collishaw's book Air Command. The price is $75 (US). What is the consensus on this? Is this too much to pay for this item? Please reply to me directly as I am not currently subscribed. Regards, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:16:56 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Collishaw Book Message-ID: <001501c24141$c0a03640$b947bacc@ptdprolog.net> Cyg I'm in the middle of this book now. I enjoy reading it, however, not a whole lot to help in modeling. It is well written, with a nice sense of humor. Minimal photos. Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: [WWI] Collishaw Book > Hi All- > > I have found a copy of Collishaw's book Air Command. The price is $75 (US). > What is the consensus on this? Is this too much to pay for this item? > > Please reply to me directly as I am not currently subscribed. > > Regards, > John Cyg. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:21:20 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lindberg S.E.5 kits discovered Message-ID: <200208111021.20598.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I like the Lindberg kit much better(or at least the parts). The Mongram I can see why. The virtues you list clearly put the Lindberg ahead of the game. I have one of the old Monogram kits that I bought years ago but it sounds like the Lindberg is the way to go. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:41:44 -0500 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Shane's Halberstadt Message-ID: <3D5677A8.8010109@airmail.net> I had the privilege of seeing Shane Weir's beautiful 1/72 Halberstadt yesterday at the Fort Worth Modelers show in Arlington. Thanks goes to Brent Theobald for entering this little jewel in a number of Stateside contests allowing North American colonists the opportunity to view it up close and personal. On a more personal note, I proselytized our niche of the hobby by showing 10 Nieuports (8 grouped in a collection category) and one WW 1 warship. I placed dead last in every category I entered, but that's not important. I just wanted to show what I've been doing for the past year and to increase the WW 1 examples in a hobby that is skewed toward the later unpleasantness. I had a good time meeting and talking to friends and buying WW 1 goodies like the new Oeffag D III Albatros kits (series .53 and series .153) and the much coveted Japo book on all the Oeffag Albatroses. Marc Flake PS. I'm on a new computer using the most recent version of Netscape. If this message ends up with MIME, I apologize and will correct it before my next message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:49:13 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Spraying Acrylics Message-ID: <000f01c24146$42f89a20$d8ed19ce@dv2980> Anybody have any words of wisdom re: airbrushing MM Acryl colors? I've never used them before, any and all input gratefully accepted. DV ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4577 **********************