WWI Digest 4574 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Haunting - do we need help? by Dave Fleming 2) As Homer would say.... by Dave Fleming 3) RE: re Gould Lee and Pup by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Re: re Gould Lee and Pup by Larry Marshall 5) cheap Morane for Baloon scallers by "Pedro N. Soares" 6) Re: cheap Morane for Baloon scallers by "Matt Bittner" 7) RE: Musings by "Diego Fernetti" 8) plates on the Oeffag D.II by "Michael Kendix" 9) RE: plates on the Oeffag D.II by "Diego Fernetti" 10) New update by tbittners@sprintmail.com 11) A clean sweep from Lusitania by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re: New update by Allan Wright 13) RE: Mastering in Synthetic Wood by "Harris, Mack" 14) Re: New update by tbittners@sprintmail.com 15) Re: Suitable Paint for RFC Roundrels - 1918?? by "Lance Krieg" 16) Captured Freidrichshafen FF33F by David Fleming 17) RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania by Tom Gourdie 18) Rigging On Nie 23 by pschwartzkopf 19) Re: Rigging On Nie 23 by Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz 20) Re: Rigging On Nie 23 by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 21) Re: Rigging On Nie 23 by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 22) Re: Rigging On Nie 23 by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 23) RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania by "Diego Fernetti" 24) Re: Calling Hans T. ; Rigging with wire by "Brent Theobald" 25) Workbench Photos? by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 26) RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania by Tom Gourdie 27) Re: A clean sweep from Lusitania by "Pedro Soares" 28) Re: Rigging On Nie 23 by pschwartzkopf 29) plates on the Oeffag D.II by "Michael Kendix" 30) Hi-Tech 1/48 Gotha by John_Impenna@hyperion.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:58:22 +0100 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: Haunting - do we need help? Message-ID: <1028890702.3d53a04e1a410@netmail.pipex.net> WE build small aeroplanes (and other things) WE argue about them and what colour they were painted WE email other people about small aeroplanes and the colours they were painted Do we need help ? Some may think so...... Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:13:44 +0100 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: As Homer would say.... Message-ID: <1028891624.3d53a3e8f2742@netmail.pipex.net> Doh ! I've just realised, I've painted the underside of my Albatros tailplane as varnished ply rather than fabric. Oooops ! Oh well, only expect uppersurface photos for this one. David Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:16:38 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: re Gould Lee and Pup Message-ID: <012401c23f96$3b740a20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! > Diego, I'm interested in your 'suggestion of lettering' technique you talked > about. Would this work in 1/72 - mostly you can see the presentation > lettering. You will get a general appareance of text lines, but if you look carefully you'll see that's just a bunch of vertical lines. I don't know if the presentation markings you need are readable at a glimpse or like the "lift here" stencils where this technique may work very well. The secret of making this text "stripes" is to make very fine lines and keep consistent distance amongst them. Of course, some irregularity is desired, so you'll have the impression of different "words" on the text. It works for simulating small lettering in prototypes of merchandise packaging. I remember that a guy once did the same with a different technique to apply small "letters" on a dark glass bottle: he masked the upper and lower boundaries of the text line with tape, and then applied that white corrector tape for electric typewriters over the oppnening of the mask, stabbing closely the tape over the glass with a flat toothpick. He lifted the tapes carefully and voilá, he had a tiny text line on the bottle. It wore off easily, of course, but as it was a sample to show the merchandise to a client it lasted enough. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:26:36 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: re Gould Lee and Pup Message-ID: <200208090726.36793.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Thanks for the tips re the Airfix Pup, however, my Pup is past the stage > where most of these could be done. I did take the ribs down and worked them > into shape rather than leaving them fat. My impression, Neil, is that you didn't sand them all the way down. What do you mean when you say "worked them into shape"? > Generally the Pup is a remedial build for me which was meant to be mainly > OOB. As such it has been great fun and is achieving my aim of making the > hobby enjoyable again. This conference does tend to lean a bit too far towards AMS at times, at least in my view. Building models should be fun and there's no reason that every one of them needs to be a chore. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:36:15 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: cheap Morane for Baloon scallers Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301ED4451@TUFAO> Hi guys, any of you knows where this comes from? http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?MAQ-029 Pedro (on his last morning at work before summer hollidays untill the end of the month. So, as of now, anyone wanting anything from me should contact me to pnsoares@netcabo.pt) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:44:58 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: cheap Morane for Baloon scallers Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:38:56 -0400 (EDT), Pedro N. Soares wrote: > any of you knows where this comes from? > > http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?MAQ-029 Don't remember the "company name" it was originally released under, but it's been out a few years. Believe it or not, Barry was the first to carry it in the US. However, I'll have to leave the rest to the Balloon Builders. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:33:51 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Musings Message-ID: <01dc01c23fa1$053f1520$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Bob! > I need a new book project to work on, so what call would there be for a book > on French unit markings? That will be excellent! > Ditto, Italian or -snip- A book on Italian markings...? that will be wonderful along with a written analysis of the history of the markings! but I wonder... who will have first hand knowledge of italian paint schemes..? With access to relevant archives and museums in Italy...? who will be eager to write about the subject...? Who would alraedy have researched colours and pictures...? Who will understand the perspective of the subject from the modeller's point of view....? If you find SOMEONE with these characteristics, that book will be awesome! ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:13:34 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: plates on the Oeffag D.II Message-ID: I am building the Roden Albatros Oeffag D.II Series 53. On the underside of the lower wing, next to the fuselage, there are a couple of smal rectangular-shaped plates or something. What are these? Should they be painted grey/aluminium? Surely I shouldn't leavethem painted in CDL? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:19:04 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: plates on the Oeffag D.II Message-ID: <023c01c23fa7$7ab70be0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> These are insperciton plates for fixing the spar to the fuselage. I painted mine light gray according the rest of the metal fittings of the plane. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: [WWI] plates on the Oeffag D.II > I am building the Roden Albatros Oeffag D.II Series 53. On the underside of > the lower wing, next to the fuselage, there are a couple of smal > rectangular-shaped plates or something. What are these? Should they be > painted grey/aluminium? Surely I shouldn't leavethem painted in CDL? > > Michael > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:17:19 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New update Message-ID: <200208091317.g79DHJ205493@king1.kingsnake.com> Before I left home this morning, I managed to upload Pedro's latest, an OAW Fokker D.VII. Nice! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:35:19 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: A clean sweep from Lusitania Message-ID: <024b01c23fa9$9ae33680$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neat model, Pedro! The markings looks very realistic, the subdued effect of the crosses is well achieved. Surprisingly, the Roden lozenge decals are quite good, if a tad on the light side. The overview of the model shows the wings a little misaligned, as you mention... is that to be blamed to the struts on differing angles or the holes on the wing surfaces? What can you do to avoid this problem? BTW It looks like you detailed the cockpit a lot... would you remember during the holiday to take a picture of these details? It's a shame we can't see it better! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: [WWI] New update > Before I left home this morning, I managed to upload Pedro's latest, an > OAW Fokker D.VII. Nice! > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New update Message-ID: <200208091340.JAA77514@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Thanks Matt. People, remember you can send things to me too. Let's not let Matt have all the fun! Allan > > Before I left home this morning, I managed to upload Pedro's latest, an > OAW Fokker D.VII. Nice! > > > Matt Bittner > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:48:05 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Mastering in Synthetic Wood Message-ID: When I responded to this thread I had in mind that someone said the material was pink - which renshape is - and never thought twice about balsa foam. It *is* interesting. I a sheet at home, about 12" x 8" x 1" which cost in the order of A$45 or A$50 It's quite similar to renshape (MUCH cheaper) but buff coloured and *maybe* a bit softer. I say *maybe* because I don't remember what grade it is, and balsafoam comes in several different densities - you buy it by specifiying the weight per cubic foot. The less dense material is easier to work, but won't hold such fine detail, the denser is harder and WILL hold fine detail. IIRC I could inscribe a satisfactory panel line on renshape, or on ethe densest balsafoam, but not on the softer versions. OTOH the softer stuff can be shaped fairly easily with just emery sticks, and should make decent vacform masters. Shane Shane and any others who are interested. Here is a link to the manufacturers site: http://www.bfoam.com/Balsa-Foam.htm They do have an 800 number to request a sample kit, I did this and got six blocks 3"x2"x1/2" in size, 2 of each of their 3 densities 7 pounds, 12 pounds and 20 pounds I believe, all free of charge. If you order from them, I think their minimum is $100 US. Mack ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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I recently did the same, and can check my mixes over the weekend. But I likely used enamels or lacquers (tho I can't recall offhand). Are you interested in non-acryllic mixes? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:17:39 +0100 From: David Fleming To: Subject: Captured Freidrichshafen FF33F Message-ID: <1028902659.3d53cf03848ec@netmail.pipex.net> Recently came across a photo of FF33F 536 which was apparently captured by the RNAS at Gallipoli and flown for a time from HMS Ark Royal. The photo I have shows German markings, but I wonder if it carried RNAS markings ? I don't have the FF33 datafile - anyone got any information ? Cheers David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:19:58 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania Message-ID: <02Aug9.152134bst.118395@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> Excuse my ignorance but how does the Lusitania - even though it is OT - come into this? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Sent: 09 August 2002 14:36 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] A clean sweep from Lusitania Neat model, Pedro! The markings looks very realistic, the subdued effect of the crosses is well achieved. Surprisingly, the Roden lozenge decals are quite good, if a tad on the light side. The overview of the model shows the wings a little misaligned, as you mention... is that to be blamed to the struts on differing angles or the holes on the wing surfaces? What can you do to avoid this problem? BTW It looks like you detailed the cockpit a lot... would you remember during the holiday to take a picture of these details? It's a shame we can't see it better! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: [WWI] New update > Before I left home this morning, I managed to upload Pedro's latest, an > OAW Fokker D.VII. Nice! > > > Matt Bittner > This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:24:36 -0500 From: pschwartzkopf To: Subject: Rigging On Nie 23 Message-ID: <200208091324.g79DOax19791@twcnebraska.com> Since I don't have any pictures at home, or the URL for that Belgian Nie 23 being restored on my work PC, or Matt's email address, I need to ask a question on the rigging wires. On the Nie 17, the cabane-fuselage rigging looks like this when viewed from the front, attaching to the fuselage on either side of the gun: |\ /| | \ / | | \ 0 / | On the Nie 23, since the gun is offset, do the wires run that same way, or as below, crossing over the gun? |\ /| | \ / | | / \ | |/ 0 \| Thanks, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:43:03 +0100 From: Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rigging On Nie 23 Message-ID: I think so. I have Nie.23 on workbench too. Wire is attached to the lower and upper end on the same strut. Both wires are connected in the center by the third short wire. This type of rigging is used on the Camel too. It is difficult to replicate this. |\ /| | \_/ | | / \ | |/ 0 \| Nieuport 23 on the Belgian site have rigging below, but this plane have not a gun. |\ /| | \/ | | /\ | |/ \| LVi >> Odpovězte prosím - wwi@wwi-models.org Odesláno kým: wwi@wwi-models.org Od: pschwartzkopf @wwi-models.org 09.08.2002 15:34:58 Komu: Multiple recipients of list Kopie: Předmět: [WWI] Rigging On Nie 23 Since I don't have any pictures at home, or the URL for that Belgian Nie 23 being restored on my work PC, or Matt's email address, I need to ask a question on the rigging wires. On the Nie 17, the cabane-fuselage rigging looks like this when viewed from the front, attaching to the fuselage on either side of the gun: |\ /| | \ / | | \ 0 / | On the Nie 23, since the gun is offset, do the wires run that same way, or as below, crossing over the gun? |\ /| | \ / | | / \ | |/ 0 \| Thanks, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:54:21 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Rigging On Nie 23 Message-ID: <1028904861.3d53d79d8c1d4@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting pschwartzkopf : > > On the Nie 23, since the gun is offset, do the wires run that same way, > or as > below, crossing over the gun? > > |\ /| > | \ / | > | / \ | > |/ 0 \| > That one 9at least looking at piccies in the DF) - I knew working from home would be a good idea !! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:56:58 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Rigging On Nie 23 Message-ID: <1028905018.3d53d83a584e2@netmail.pipex.net> Actually more like |\ /| | \ / | | \ / | | /\ O | HTH David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:59:53 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Rigging On Nie 23 Message-ID: <1028905193.3d53d8e994dfe@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz: > > I think so. I have Nie.23 on workbench too. Wire is attached to the > lower > and upper end on the same strut. Both wires are connected in the center > by > the third short wire. This type of rigging is used on the Camel too. It > is > difficult to replicate this. > > |\ /| > | \_/ | > | / \ | > |/ 0 \| > > Nieuport 23 on the Belgian site have rigging below, but this plane have > not > a gun. > |\ /| > | \/ | > | /\ | > |/ \| > The photos in the DFS shows the Belgian Nie with gun, as per my previous post (which is the view from the cockpit ie gun offset to starboard D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:00:18 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania Message-ID: <02ba01c23fb5$7a3c5540$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> That's where Pedro lives. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gourdie To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania > Excuse my ignorance but how does the Lusitania - even though it is OT - come > into this? > > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:01:27 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Calling Hans T. ; Rigging with wire Message-ID: Howdy! Ernie, you are repeating yourself. Brent from the Internal Agency to Remove, Erase, Stamp Out, Eliminate, Obliterate and otherwise Eradicate Redundancy. >I sent this last night, but I think it didn't go through(no copy back) >so >sorry to all if I'm repeating myself. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:05:33 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Workbench Photos? Message-ID: Hi All, Can someone tell me the site that has the workbench photos?? I'm looking for some ideas... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:16:56 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania Message-ID: <02Aug9.161832bst.118660@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> Whooops!! Sorry! What a dumbo I am! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Sent: 09 August 2002 16:01 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania That's where Pedro lives. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gourdie To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: A clean sweep from Lusitania > Excuse my ignorance but how does the Lusitania - even though it is OT - come > into this? > > Tom This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:24:46 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: A clean sweep from Lusitania Message-ID: <000701c23fc1$46d69060$286e16d5@netcabo.pt> > Neat model, Pedro! Thanks Diego. Unfortunately it's not as neat at it looks, the main problem being the misaligned wing ;-(. > The markings looks very realistic, the subdued effect of the crosses is well > achieved. Surprisingly, the Roden lozenge decals are quite good, if a tad on > the light side. Yes. I as very happy with the way the tinted future worked. That's really neat and easy. Highly recommended. > The overview of the model shows the wings a little misaligned, as you > mention... is that to be blamed to the struts on differing angles or the > holes on the wing surfaces? Come to think of it, I think the problem has to do with misalignment of the lower wing. To overcome the fit problem that is commom to all Roden DVIIs I did as Yoda Steve said but I guess the force isn't that strong by me. Probably the wing isn't absolutely perpendicular to the fuselage. Hence the problem I had with the cabanes that wouldn't fit once I glued the top wing to the interplanes. I had to unglue the whole thing and then apply the cabanes first, leaving the interplanes for a latter stage. Since I plan to do a couple more DVIIs this was great trainning, nonetheless ;-). What can you do to avoid this problem? Be sure to have the bottom wing properly aligned and all should fit well. Although the cabane Vs still won't fit properly without some trimming. > BTW It looks like you detailed the cockpit a lot... Not much really. The kit parts make do for a pretty busy office. I only added a pump and some Eduard seat belts, as well as some wire bracing. would you remember > during the holiday to take a picture of these details? During my holiday I won't have access to the digi cam. I'll try to do it when I go back to work. It's a shame we can't > see it better! Hey, come and see it in person and bring Lady Wanda with you. Have you ever tried Cozido ŕ Portuguesa? Um abraço Pedro (Officialy on holydays, as of NOW.... ;-)))))))) > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:09:36 -0500 From: pschwartzkopf To: Subject: Re: Rigging On Nie 23 Message-ID: <200208091609.g79G9ax20848@twcnebraska.com> So is the gun offset to the port side? I thought it was on the starboard side, or am I mistaken? --- xtv16@dial.pipex.com wrote: > > Actually more like > > > |\ /| > | \ / | > | \ / | > | /\ O | > > > HTH > > David > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:32:02 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: plates on the Oeffag D.II Message-ID: If anyone responded to my question, could they resubmit the email to me off list please? I was unsubbed for a few hours and may have missed a response. Thanks, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:43:58 -0400 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Hi-Tech 1/48 Gotha Message-ID: Hi All, Has anyone seen this yet??? Been out of the loop lately and trying to catch up on messages. Also, did my message about the workbench photos go out? I'm looking for the site url for these. TIA!! Regards, John ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4574 **********************