WWI Digest 4570 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Ailerons and Decals...(& Vegemite!) by "Michael Kendix" 2) Re: Color by Tom Gourdie 3) FW: Re: Color by Tom Gourdie 4) =?GB2312?B?MjAwTb/VvOQrufq8ytPyw/s9MTUw1KovxOo=?= by idc2002com@sina.com 5) Re: Ailerons and Decals...(& Vegemite!) by "Harris, Mack" 6) Withdrawal Symptoms by "David C. Fletcher" 7) Re: Ailerons and Decals...(& Vegemite!) by "Michael Kendix" 8) Re: Ailerons and Decals...(& Vegemite!) by "Harris, Mack" 9) Re: Color by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Musings by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: The Question of the moment... by "ernest thomas" 12) Re: The Question of the moment... by "Dave Burke" 13) Re: The Question of the moment... by "Dave Burke" 14) Re: Musings by tbittners@sprintmail.com 15) Re: Re Now building... by "Dave Burke" 16) Re: The Question of the moment... by "Brent Theobald" 17) Re: Color by Larry Marshall 18) Re: The Question of the moment... by Larry Marshall 19) Re: The Question of the moment... by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 20) Re: Fine tubing by ssh 21) Re: The Question of the moment... by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 22) Re: Nats Query by "Lance Krieg" 23) Re: Nats Query by tbittners@sprintmail.com 24) Matt's HB D.Is by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 25) Re: Matt\'s HB D.Is by tbittners@sprintmail.com 26) Re: Color by "Bob Pearson" 27) RE: Mastering in Synthetic Wood by "Hans Trauner" 28) Re: Matt\'s HB D.Is by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 29) Re: The Question of the moment... by "Hans Trauner" 30) Re: Color by "Hans Trauner" 31) Re: Matt\'s HB D.Is by Larry Marshall 32) Re: Color by Larry Marshall 33) Re: USN Hanriots by "David Vosburgh" 34) Re: Cookups was Finished three... by Larry Marshall ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:54:51 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ailerons and Decals...(& Vegemite!) Message-ID: >From: "NEIL EDDY" >It came time to add the upper wing roundels which gave me a bit of a >hard >time positioning them correctly, made more difficult by the >molded control >horns on the ailerons. ... >Looking back on it with 20/20 hindsight, I guess most people would >place >the decal on the aileron first then reposition it. Is this what >most >people do? Also, apart from removing them, how does everyone deal >with >molded control horns and decals? First, it's worth just lopping off the control horns. Drill a small hole where they were, then after the decals are on, poke through a small length of shaped plastic through the hole - the aileron horns then line up. Else use photoetch ones and drive yourself insane. I bend down or break of the ailerons and re-glue them. Aftr painting, I measure then cut the decal with a sharp #11 Exacto blade, so it's like doing two separate decals. Put them on at the same time so you can get them into position together. >N.E: Raisin Toast! BTW, I tried some Vegemite at the Nats as we all stood around after the awards ceremony. Karen produced this small sache of it and much to everyone else's apparent alarm (they visibly moved backwards when she produced it), I ate some. It was in one of those little plastic single serving things. It tasted a lot weaker than Marmite and less flavoursome but perhaps that was because it'd been in Dame Karen's purse for a few months! It also had a more grainy & less smooth texture than Marmite. It's OK but I prefer proper Marmite! I also like to eat chocolate ants and frogs covered in aspic. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:53:36 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Color Message-ID: <02Aug7.165139bst.132989@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> The original request, ie clarification about Pfalz sibergrau, is nevertheless interesting. I too find silbergrau enigmatic. Some seem to go for a mid-grey with a mix of aluminium, some go for a mix of white, aluminium and light grey etc etc... I recently bought a bottle of Misterkit 'Silbergrau' and it seems to me to be nothing more than a very light blue/grey with the accent on a blue tone - no hint of silver in it at all. Any guidance from anyone on what might be reasonably authentic? Also if a Pfalz DIIIa had aluminium-doped wings would that dope have the same tonal values as the silbergrau on the fuselage? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:larrym@sympatico.ca] Sent: 07 August 2002 14:40 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Color > Guys,I believe that we should think of having some system of colour > identification,in order to have a real idea of what we're talking about. Online color is highly variable. If Matt posts a color chip, each of us will view it differently. Mac's color sync works wonders for matching printer and monitor but 1) most don't have that and 2) it still will only match two output devices, not ensure that the color is accurate. >From a philosophical view, we shouldn't become more concerned about color variation than the people who applied them originally. Cheers --- Larry This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:01:07 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: FW: Re: Color Message-ID: <02Aug7.164950bst.175140@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> Original posting seems to have gone adrift. T -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gourdie Sent: 07 August 2002 14:54 To: 'wwi@wwi-models.org' Subject: RE: [WWI] Re: Color The original request, ie clarification about Pfalz sibergrau, is nevertheless interesting. I too find silbergrau enigmatic. Some seem to go for a mid-grey with a mix of aluminium, some go for a mix of white, aluminium and light grey etc etc... I recently bought a bottle of Misterkit 'Silbergrau' and it seems to me to be nothing more than a very light blue/grey with the accent on a blue tone - no hint of silver in it at all. Any guidance from anyone on what might be reasonably authentic? Also if a Pfalz DIIIa had aluminium-doped wings would that dope have the same tonal values as the silbergrau on the fuselage? Tom This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. 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Message-ID: Michael informs us of his culinary habits (snip) >N.E: Raisin Toast! (snip) It also had a more grainy & less smooth texture than Marmite. It's OK but I prefer proper Marmite! I also like to eat chocolate ants and frogs covered in aspic. Michael Michael, are you sure those are raisins? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:17:47 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Withdrawal Symptoms Message-ID: <3D51563B.8000301@mars.ark.com> No messages and I can't access the last two archives - only one real message and three spams on my computer this morning. I'm doing the normal 'fault-finding' (review, unsubscribe, subscribe) to see if anything reappears....and I wasn't on 'review'! If anyone has tried to contact me via the list in the last couple of days and I haven't responded, please send directly to Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:23:57 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ailerons and Decals...(& Vegemite!) Message-ID: >From: "Harris, Mack" >Michael informs us of his culinary habits >(snip) > >N.E: Raisin Toast! >(snip) >It also had a more grainy & less smooth texture than Marmite. It's >OK but >I prefer proper Marmite! I also like to eat chocolate ants and >frogs >covered in aspic. > >Michael > >Michael, are you sure those are raisins? No, I'm not. But why should I worry? It's Neil Eddy in Australia who's eating them. Regarding aileron control horns: they are not good eating but I always stick them on last, after everything has been painted and decaled. It's less trouble than trying to slice and get the decal to settle down around it. I've also tried photoetch aileron control horns but they are difficult to line up (perhaps a small hole drilled through would help) and they knock off too easily because you need to use CA, which has poor shearing strength. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world抯 largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:29:19 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Ailerons and Decals...(& Vegemite!) Message-ID: Sorry, Michael, I really should look closer at my emails. Mack ps nice to meet you in VA and I'm not nearly old enought to be retired but I sure would like to be. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:10:41 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Color Message-ID: <102874155901@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> For anyone who has purchased my CD, try comparing the colours on the cover with those on the CD itself .. they should be the same. . at least for the computerized profiles. There is also the cmyk to methuen chart that I did five years ago (egad .. FIVE YEARS!!!!!). This was done using the book Computer colour - 10,000 mixes for the computer (or some such title) and the Methuen handbook of colour. I got my copy of computer colour from Amazon (their number 37,000 best seller). As for the Metheun. . the real thing isn't around very much. .. but some listees know where to get one, and the colours in that copy compared favorably to mine ... ask offlist if you want more info on the Metheun. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:15:51 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Musings Message-ID: <102874156401@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Lance writes. . . > And I want to know how that damned Windsock has arrived in rural > British Columbia and can't land in Des Moines? That's easy ... it's because you have the largest article in it :-) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:43:16 -0500 From: "ernest thomas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Question of the moment... Message-ID: >From: "Dave Burke" >What OT stuff is everybody working on? You mean actual touchy/feely working on? Nothing. Latest unfinished project which hasn't been touched since March; Eduard Pup, Ready for the top wing. Back-burners; SMER SVA 5 Big Revell D-VII with all the corrections and bits from Copper State long untouched Jenny Think that's all. E. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:03:14 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: The Question of the moment... Message-ID: <000e01c23e3c$b41db1c0$9ded79a5@s0024008072> > > PS: Hey Dave, where are you with your big Camel ? > In Limbo - but it is a candidate for resurrection!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:07:44 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: The Question of the moment... Message-ID: <002c01c23e3d$555116e0$9ded79a5@s0024008072> > > NB: Joystick Rumpler C.I > > Dave, what did you do about an engine for this? I believe that I used an Aeroclub engine - it worked just fine although scratching one wouldn't be too hard. I was just lazy... DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:50:40 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Musings Message-ID: <200208071750.g77Hoe852017@king1.kingsnake.com> On 08-07-2002 12:35 pm, you wrote: > That's easy ... it's because you have the largest article in it :-) So this is one case where size *does* matter? ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:10:24 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Re Now building... Message-ID: <004801c23e3d$b4074e20$9ded79a5@s0024008072> > 1) Airfix Sopwith Pup (54 Sqn Lt. Hadrill) - It was going to be 46 Sqn > Gould Lee but couldn't get small enough lettering for the > presentation inscription) 3/4 done (More on this next post by me). > Neil, What references are you using for this plane? After reading his book, I wanted to do Gould Lee's plane. WHat is the inscription and how is the kit? DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:00:20 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Question of the moment... Message-ID: Howdy! >What OT stuff is everybody working on? I am still struggling with Dilthey's D.V. Ever have a model just be a complete chore. I have so much time invested in this little turd that I can't let it go. However, it really isn't up to my standards. I also started the Eduard 1/72 Fokker E.III. This is a little gem. I "ought" to be able to bang this one out! (fingers crossed) The dual 1/48 Albatros build is going well. I am building the latest and first Eduard Albatros kits together. The first layer of lozenge is on them. Rib tapes are next. The big Gotha is in limbo. Since we are packing up the house for moving it is difficult to keep a large project like this going. Speaking of CSM products the Taube I picked up from Eric last week is *really* tempting me. Dare I start another? Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:01:56 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Color Message-ID: <200208071401.56395.larrym@sympatico.ca> > For anyone who has purchased my CD, try comparing the colours on the cover > with those on the CD itself .. they should be the same. . at least for the > computerized profiles. Which of my 3 computers would you like me to do this on Bob? How would you like to me to set up my monitor when I do it? I'm not sure what your point is except that it must be that you think my comment is incorrect. Methinks you need to play with some non-Macs for a while. This is one of the biggest reasons that Macs still rule the graphics art community as there simply isn't any 'standard'. Macs are the only computers who even address the question. I can change the background color of the msg I'm writing currently from its 'white' to pink or blue without touching the keyboard. While I know that you're careful with color, you can't predict how they will be displayed on a computer monitor. As for mapping specific cmyk values to some other system, there's no problem there but still, without some way of verifying that a particular C value will actually generate a particular cyan intensity (part of what Mac color sync does), you still can't display a cymk combination and say, "That's Methuen X" when looking at a PC monitor. Heck, this is the very problem that causes Pantone values to be used in the publishing world. I spent 3 years listening to artists showing me color cards and telling me "this is what it will REALLY look like" as we were looking at graphics on the screen. You can buy that magazine on any newstand by the way so we're not talking garage operations here. How many here have at least pairs of profiles, published in different places, where the colors vary between profiles? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:03:44 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Question of the moment... Message-ID: <200208071403.44714.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I believe that I used an Aeroclub engine - it worked just fine although > scratching one wouldn't be too hard. I was just lazy... I haven't gotten the datafile yet but isn't it a Mercedes 160hp? This is what caused me to think I could use one of the Roden engines. Karen used an Aeroclub engine too. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:16:31 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: The Question of the moment... Message-ID: <032201c23e3e$8e9c5620$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Later! > > Brent Ha! What about Caproni? Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:29:37 -0400 From: ssh To: Subject: Re: Fine tubing Message-ID: <3D50FE130002E39F@mta04.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Following up on the Fine tubing: I got a reply from the folks at HolePop. They are flexible and quite willing to do custom orders. I plan to get a "variety pack" consisting of tubes ranging from 0.2 to 2.0 mm in steps of .2mm. At usd 35, I think that is quite reasonable. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:35:06 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: The Question of the moment... Message-ID: <034401c23e41$26de62a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Now I'm struggling with painting two early Fokkers E.IV (ICM) and D.II (HR resin). Eindecker will be in 3 colours, and Doppeldecker 2 coloured wings and CDL fuselage. I can't mix brown shade I like. Every brown I get from various mixes makes me sick... Also I'm trying to finish my Academy/Revell Camel and renovate Toko Nieuport in Italian scheme. Much more kits are close to be finished, but... ;-) G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:48:35 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Nats Query Message-ID: Matt, both the Sal 2A2 and the SPAD XI are by Barry Webb, and very good they were, too. He mixes and sprays his 5-color from enamels. Brent, the Spinne was by Byron Wyss; him I did not talk to. The Taube was a little ...er, rougher than the pictures would indicate, but I never talked to that builder or even got his name. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:03:29 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nats Query Message-ID: <200208071903.g77J3TS56422@king1.kingsnake.com> On 08-07-2002 01:50 pm, you wrote: > Matt, both the Sal 2A2 and the SPAD XI are by Barry Webb, and very good > they were, too. He mixes and sprays his 5-color from enamels. Any contact information you know of? Did he place? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:22:49 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Matt's HB D.Is Message-ID: <03de01c23e47$d157fd80$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Two??? Why??? Which ones? Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:29:05 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Matt\'s HB D.Is Message-ID: <200208071929.g77JT5p57834@king1.kingsnake.com> On 08-07-2002 02:24 pm, you wrote: > Two??? > Why??? > Which ones? Uh, uhm. Gee, maybe the cat will be out of the bag, now. I wanted to review the Rosemont conversion fuselage side-by-side with a "standard" Toko HB D.I (sorry, I can't remember now what "number" the Rosemont is versus the "standard" Toko/EE). However, the Toko/EE kit is so bad (in my opinion) that it has caused me to stumble in a number of places. I'm using the "straight" Toko build to show that acrylics really don't hide their horrid fabric "effect". So, I decided to sand the wings of the Rosemont one, and was in the process of adding decal rib tapes. Then I have to figure out how I'm going to handle the wood fuselage (which is why I like French machines - little to no wood ;-)). Then there's the horrid "gun coffin" for the top of the upper wing. These are horribly molded. Plus all the other Toko mold problems with this kit. Just something I'm no longer thrilled about to finish. However, in wanting to get a number of in-progress kits off my bench, I'm determined to finish them - some year. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:42:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Color Message-ID: <102874935901@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> >> For anyone who has purchased my CD, try comparing the colours on the cover >> with those on the CD itself .. they should be the same. . at least for the >> computerized profiles. > > Which of my 3 computers would you like me to do this on Bob? How would you > like to me to set up my monitor when I do it? I'm not sure what your point > is except that it must be that you think my comment is incorrect. Methinks > you need to play with some non-Macs for a while. Larry, I was agreeing with you and saying that *IF* the colour on the cover and the CD are the same you're in luck and the rest of them should match up. If not .. try adjusting it so that they are. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:51:33 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: Mastering in Synthetic Wood Message-ID: <004b01c23e4b$d56301a0$99bc72d4@FRITZweb> > I ran into some composite material that could easily be what you are > referring to. It carved and sanded well. Somewhere between hard balsa > and basswood. I made an engine block for a Merc D.III out of it. It was > a pink color. That's 'foamed polyurethan resin'. Not the same foaming stuff available in DIY stores for closing larger holes in buildings or to fix window frames, but basically the same. It's foamed with tiny, tiny,tiny bubbles. It's the same material the professional master builders for real technical purposes also use. I have got a few pieces. But I don't dare to use it as it is such a precious object....so hard to come buy.... Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:43:41 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Matt\'s HB D.Is Message-ID: <03f801c23e4a$bb9c9b60$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > However, the Toko/EE > kit is so bad (in my opinion) Hmmm, not THAT bad, I think ;-) I wish you success! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:56:59 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: The Question of the moment... Message-ID: <005f01c23e4c$978e09a0$99bc72d4@FRITZweb> > > > What OT stuff is everybody working on? a) Still my Albatros D.II, Eduard 1/48. I only have to fix the rigging from the nose to the lower wings. But I rigged the bird with wire. And now I can't find a material which is straight enough for that distance. b) Fokker DrI 'Magnetic Red Baron'. Fuselage is ready, wings are fixed. Contemplating if Jasta 18 or Red Baron scheme. A streaked version is too 'camouflaged' for that use. c) Zeppelin crew member in 54 mm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:08:53 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Color Message-ID: <00b701c23e4e$41404f20$99bc72d4@FRITZweb> Tom wrote: > I too find silbergrau enigmatic. Some seem to go for a mid-grey with a mix > of aluminium, some go for a mix of white, aluminium and light grey etc > etc... No, it isn't. The real problem is to reproduce it in 1/72 or 1/48. Silbergrau used in 1917 is available today as 'Silberbronze'. It's grounded aluminium with nearly no binder. It's still available in german (only?) DIY shops. It's used f.e. for metal exhaust from coal ovens etc. It's head and UV resistant. >From the near it is looking like matt aluminium paint ( Revell / Humbrol), but very fine grounded pigment. The farer away you get the greyer it get or lighter if you are outside. And it changes hue , depending on the surface it is painted on. Look at the Pfalzes. The fuselage often looks lighter ( filled and primed wood) than the wings ( Zapponlack doped). So, if you want to make a factory fresh Pfalz, make it more silvery with less contrast between wings and fuselage. If you wants to make a old bird in a Jasta Schule ( training unit), make it matt and with more contrast ( darker wings/light fuselage). Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:57:44 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Matt\'s HB D.Is Message-ID: <200208071557.44019.larrym@sympatico.ca> > the Rosemont is versus the "standard" Toko/EE). However, the Toko/EE > kit is so bad (in my opinion) that it has caused me to stumble in a > number of places. I'm using the "straight" Toko build to show that > acrylics really don't hide their horrid fabric "effect". So, I Sounds like it's time for the 'drop-kick into the garbage cuz life's too short' routine. > However, in wanting to get a number of in-progress kits off my bench, > I'm determined to finish them - some year. ;-) See above :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:20:20 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Color Message-ID: <200208071554.58899.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Larry, I was agreeing with you and saying that *IF* the colour on the cover Silly me....nobody ever agrees with me. This sure explains why I couldn't understand what you were saying :-) BTW, there is some hardware that will permit color sync on PCs and some of the newer, better monitors have a form of it built into it. None that I've seen match Mac's well-developed system, however. Bob knows that too (grin). Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:29:46 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Re: USN Hanriots Message-ID: <003b01c23e51$2cbaade0$d2ed19ce@dv2980> Back to the Mystery of the Hanriot Markings. SP writes: > I think the color order would be wrong on RAF roundels. The USAS > roundels were similar to the Anatra Factory roundels used in Russia Check the last color shot of the Pensacola Hanriot you sent me, bro'. It shows the underwing roundels as being blue/white/red, a la the RAF. One of the shots Diego sent me yesterday (from directly underneath) shows it even more clearly... ???? One assumes the museum people had their reasons for applying them. > The USN switched to stars right at the end of the war. The N.28 and > Camel at Pensacola both have stars. That's what I always thought. However... the Skyways article I mentioned yesterday shows the underwing roundels on 5624 (flying from USS Mississippi) as being red/blue/white as usual, the photos are dated August 1919 in the article. Guess I'll go with the markings in the Skyways article. Truth to tell I'd rather have stars but red/blue/white roundels would be OK. DV ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:27:49 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cookups was Finished three... Message-ID: <200208071627.49954.larrym@sympatico.ca> > The cook-up got started as a celebration of the possibilities offered by > the amount of Albatros kits out there and has since grown into a site of > it's own which gives valuable information to many visitors. Ok..... > Current cookups are Albatros, Sopwith, AFV BBq and WW1 Giants (and the > fastest Nieuport cookup on record ;-) ). Yes. > To contribute to the cookup all anyone has to do is send their > submissions to Shane the Younger or myself. In a way, I've already done that as I offered to shoot a whole bunch of kit parts and I did that for all of the Sopwith kits I have that weren't represented. Those eventually got posted but as I never heard anything about that I stopped at Sopwith and didn't do any of the Albatros kits. > EVERYONE! Have a look at the cookups. There are some gaps that maybe you > can fill with a built model, an in-box review or maybe even just a parts > scan of a kit we haven't got. One thing I didn't understand is that this ISN'T part of the WWI list website. That's the part that I couldn't understand since there are a pile of Albatrii that are in the WWI gallery that aren't part of the cookup. I think mine will remain one of those as having it posted in WWI and a review of it on the Rolls site seems sufficient....maybe more than sufficient :-) Thanks for the explanation, Lorna. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4570 **********************