WWI Digest 4557 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Live 20 years longer with HGH! 2002-8-1 11:37:20 by "Member Servicer" 2) Pup Report by "NEIL EDDY" 3) Re: The Nats by John Huggins 4) Re: Model T vehicles by "Lee M." 5) August Internet Modeler by "Bob Pearson" 6) QtD30FtkdcSXS0R33BTFXUcKVRPwG =?big5?Q?=A7K=B6O=A5=FA=BA=D0?= EKZp7wItzaQDPyiyfKqDWUFD by 免費光碟 7) RE: Jasta 12 question by Tom Gourdie 8) Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) by "Matt Bittner" 9) RE: August Internet Modeler by "Diego Fernetti" 10) RE: Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Windscreens by Steven Perry 12) RE: Windscreens by "Diego Fernetti" 13) RE: Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) by tbittners@sprintmail.com 14) RE: Windscreens by Steven Perry 15) RE: Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) by "Diego Fernetti" 16) Re: Model T vehicles by Larry Marshall 17) RE: Windscreens by Tom Gourdie 18) Re: Windscreens by Larry Marshall 19) Re: Model T vehicles by Tom Gourdie 20) Re: Model T vehicles by ssh 21) Re: Model T vehicles by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: Model T vehicles by "Lee M." 23) hello by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 24) Re: Model T vehicles by Larry Marshall 25) Re: August Internet Modeler by Larry Marshall 26) Re: Model T vehicles by "Diego Fernetti" 27) Re: August Internet Modeler by Nigel Cheffers-Heard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:37:20 +0800 From: "Member Servicer" Subject: Live 20 years longer with HGH! 2002-8-1 11:37:20 Message-ID: <200208010334.XAA14457@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Dear wwi =2C =3Chtml=3E=3Cbody onload=3D=22window=2Eopen=28'http=3A=2F=2F202=2E101=2E163=2E34=3A81=2Fultimatehgh=5Frun=2F'=29=22 bgColor=3D=22#CCFF66=22 topmargin=3D1 onMouseOver=3D=22window=2Estatus=3D''=3B return true=22 oncontextmenu=3D=22return false=22 ondragstart=3D=22return false=22 onselectstart=3D=22return false=22=3E =3Cdiv align=3D=22center=22=3EHello=3CBR=3E=3CBR=3E=3C=2Fdiv=3E=3Cdiv align=3D=22center=22=3E=3C=2Fdiv=3E=3Cp align=3D=22center=22=3E=3Cb=3E=3Cfont face=3D=22Arial=22 size=3D=224=22=3EHuman Growth Hormone Therapy=3C=2Ffont=3E=3C=2Fb=3E=3C=2Fp=3E =3Cp align=3D=22center=22=3E=3Cb=3E=3Cfont face=3D=22Arial=22 size=3D=224=22=3ELose weight while building lean muscle mass=3Cbr=3Eand reversing the ravages of aging all at once=2E=3C=2Ffont=3E=3Cfont face=3D=22Arial=22 size=3D=223=22=3E=3Cbr=3E =3C=2Ffont=3E=3C=2Fb=3E=3Cfont face=3D=22Arial=22 size=3D=223=22=3E =3Cbr=3E As seen on NBC=2C CBS=2C and CNN=2C and even Oprah! 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Well, here's another one! Basically the Pup and I are doing well. Basic construction is almost complete. Interior, engine, bottom wing, tail plane, rudder, are all together. Model is pretty much painted and weathered. Not much of this due to the aircraft being modelled), and all rigging points are drilled out. For PC-12 I just used Tamiya Brown ala Bob Pearson, which looks far better than what I mixed for the still-dormant Eduard Sopwith Triplane. Metal panelling and cowl are in Humbrol Bright Aluminium Metaliser (which does not look like a toy). I didn't do the cowl riffling as I haven't seen many Pups with this feature. Next stage is making the individual markings for Gould Lee's aircraft. Presentation inscription is 2mm lettering and the "Chin Chow" I'll cut out by hand from white decal paper. The red dot is a cannibalised hinomaru. This project seems to have banished my Klutz Syndrome too... More later.... All the Best Neil E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:37:04 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Nats Message-ID: Mike, Don't worry about getting a new badge. I will be getting my own badge maker when I get back from the Nationals, and I still have all of my original artwork. I will let the list know when every thing is up and ready to go. At this time, it looks like the price will be $1.00 ea, to cover materials and postage. More to come later. Karen and I will have the 2002 convention versions at the Nationals. They will also be $1.00 ea. See either one of us and we will fix you up. On to another note, Capt. Georges is highly recommended for lunch or dinner. The price is in the $26.00 range each. Plenty of options to choose from. Starts with a salad bar (includes cold boiled shrimp). The main buffet includes catfish, Mahi, scallops, clam strips, king crab legs, prime rib, and a desert bar that just cries for a visit or three. There is also a Shoneys that has a good breakfast and lunch buffet. All within a short drive from the convention site. JP PS It looks like it will become very bloody in the contest room. Lots of great stuff, but no sign of the steel wire yet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:59:27 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <02b601c23920$98cb6b40$bb4d39cc@mesystem> Larry I am sorry you refuse to give me an address to mail you the disks. I checked the site you mentioned at Wright Pat. http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/vfe/vfe7.htm One of our restored ambulances is # 141 333. SSU 598. The photos are on one of the disks I made for you. Stubborness sometimes creates it's own rewards. Lee M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Marshall" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Model T vehicles > > There is a famous saying from Henry Ford about the Model T. "You can have > > it in any color you want, as long as it's black." There fore, the > > Do you think he would have said the same thing if the US Field Service said, > "We want 4000 of them in olive drab?" While there were a lot of Model Ts > converted to all sorts of war service, there is a bunch of evidence that the > RPM kit is representative of a standardized, field ambulance, of which more > than 4000 were delivered to Europe. > > > assumption that the frame remained black is pretty valid. If the British > > repainted the upper part, my guess, and the box art seems to confirm, the > > Nope...they weren't driving them...they weren't building them. Here's a > website that talks about the American Field Service. You can find several > photos of the vehicle in question and a whole lot of information in the form > of driver diaries and such. > > http://afsweb.afs.org/links.nsf/pages/archives > > > color is Field Drab, a brown color. This followed bronze green and grey as > > colors for military vehicles and artillery during the pre and early WWI > > years. > > But Glen, all of this is based on the supposition that it was the Brits who > were painting these. That simply was not the case. This is what they look > like. Note the US on the side: > > http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/vfe/vfe7.htm > > Given that this layout, with the rag top, large boxes on the sides, etc. is > fairly consistent across all the photos I've found suggests that they were > being shipped that way, not built in the field. > > Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:01:10 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: August Internet Modeler Message-ID: <102818167301@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Hi all, The August Internet Modeler is now live. This time around we have Sanjeev Hirve's amazing FE2b and Michael Kendix's Mosca MBbis builds and a look at the Roseplane Nieuport triplane based on the Ni10 not the 17/17bis. As usual other listees are also present, with Al Superczynski heading up the revamped car section. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 04:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: 免費光碟 Subject: QtD30FtkdcSXS0R33BTFXUcKVRPwG =?big5?Q?=A7K=B6O=A5=FA=BA=D0?= EKZp7wItzaQDPyiyfKqDWUFD Message-ID: 「台灣站起來 We Will Stand」光碟免費贈送 ~內容有台灣與未來世界的前途與希望,因應未來世界,我們該何去何從...... 意者請來函索取 來函請寄 moonie99@seed.net.tw 來函請註明 您的姓名、聯絡電話及郵寄地址 謝謝!!! 義工 張先生 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:17:13 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Jasta 12 question Message-ID: <02Aug1.091857bst.118118@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> Matt I think Jasta 12 struts were what is sometimes called Fokker Turquoise - no authoritative reason for this but I am sure when I did my Dragon DrI I deliberately went for this based on a photograph which implied light-coloured struts. On the black tail question I too thought long and hard about that and eventually opted for a black under on the assumption that if the remainder of the tail and the rear fuselage was black the same would apply to the undersurfaces. HTH Tom -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] Sent: 01 August 2002 01:22 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Jasta 12 question Just can't seem to find anyone that can answer this one. Does anyone know what color Jasta 12 "painted" (if they did) the struts on their Fokker Dr.Is? Is it also a safe assumption to say that the all-black tail wrapped around to the underside as well? Matt Bittner This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:24:04 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:02:18 -0400 (EDT), Bob Pearson wrote: > the Roseplane Nieuport triplane based on the Ni10 not the 17/17bis. Since I have this model, I was researching it one night. It turns out it *did* have the aileron cranks you see on the other Nieuports. However, the location is a tad different. They're located on the "middle" wing, on the ends of the "bar" that goes through the fuselage/cockpit which supports the "middle" wing. The FMP French tome has the best photos of it. Another book I found a photo of it is the old Vintage Warbirds #10, which is entirely on Nieuports. One of these days I'll build mine... ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:37:18 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: August Internet Modeler Message-ID: <008401c23947$69422900$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Not to diminish the rest of the fine articles on this issue, but Sanjeev's Fee is truly breathtaking! Great work!! Just doing all those struts deserves a recognition for patience and endurance!! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:02 AM Subject: [WWI] August Internet Modeler > Hi all, > > The August Internet Modeler is now live. This time around we have Sanjeev > Hirve's amazing FE2b and Michael Kendix's Mosca MBbis builds and a look at > the Roseplane Nieuport triplane based on the Ni10 not the 17/17bis. > > As usual other listees are also present, with Al Superczynski heading up the > revamped car section. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:43:51 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) Message-ID: <009201c23948$5388d4a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt Wich colour it was painted on? Silver? CDL? two-green camo? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: [WWI] Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:02:18 -0400 (EDT), Bob Pearson wrote: > > > the Roseplane Nieuport triplane based on the Ni10 not the 17/17bis. > > Since I have this model, I was researching it one night. It > turns out it *did* have the aileron cranks you see on the other > Nieuports. However, the location is a tad different. They're > located on the "middle" wing, on the ends of the "bar" that goes > through the fuselage/cockpit which supports the "middle" wing. > > The FMP French tome has the best photos of it. Another book I > found a photo of it is the old Vintage Warbirds #10, which is > entirely on Nieuports. > > One of these days I'll build mine... ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:32:22 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Windscreens Message-ID: <3D491C46.6020702@tampabay.rr.com> I hate clear parts and the lack of them was one of the things that attracted me to modeling WWI subjects. That dislike more often than not leads me to "convieniently" forget the windscreen until the upper wing is on and then it is usually a mess to get a screen installed. Does anyone have a method for cutting out windscreens from clear plastic sheet? I usually cut a bunch, pick the best two and loose them leaving me to work with the third best one. Nothing much will help me there short of developing a degree of coordination. I was hoping someone had a magic method cutting them out in the first place. TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:44:49 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Windscreens Message-ID: <00b401c23950$d7dc4860$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve! I hate them too. For curved windscreens (like the Albatrosen) cut a strip of clear acetate of the width of the "flat" windscreen. Clean up the nail cutters for feet (you won't like any of that funny sludge on any part of your model) and cut a curve on one end. Then get another nail cutter, this one for the hand nails, and work a smaller curve over it. the curved edges of the cutters make easier to work the windscreen shape and the cuts are clean if the cutters are new and have no nicks on the edges. For squarish windshields (like AVRO 504s) just cut the square over a scale drawing of the part (hey, better make photocopies of the Datafile or you will ruin the page) Is a little like cuttin PE parts from the fret, the windshield tends to fly to the twilight zone and being transparent and shiny, the carpet gnomes will never return it. Be careful and also wear eye protection. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: [WWI] Windscreens > I hate clear parts and the lack of them was one of the things that > attracted me to modeling WWI subjects. That dislike more often than not > leads me to "convieniently" forget the windscreen until the upper wing > is on and then it is usually a mess to get a screen installed. > > Does anyone have a method for cutting out windscreens from clear plastic > sheet? I usually cut a bunch, pick the best two and loose them leaving > me to work with the third best one. Nothing much will help me there > short of developing a degree of coordination. I was hoping someone had a > magic method cutting them out in the first place. > > TIA > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:51:03 -0500 (CDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) Message-ID: <200208011151.g71Bp3w33375@king1.kingsnake.com> On 08-01-2002 05:44 am, Diego wrote: > Wich colour it was painted on? Silver? CDL? two-green camo? I believe the instructions call for two-color camo, but I'm having difficulty seeing two colors in the photos. Stay tuned! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:04:40 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Windscreens Message-ID: <3D4923D8.9010509@tampabay.rr.com> The curved clippers sound like a better way of getting a consistent curve than the straight scissors I usually use. When it comes to finger chopping tools...ask the expert ;-) sp Diego Fernetti wrote: > Steve! > I hate them too. > For curved windscreens (like the Albatrosen) cut a strip of clear acetate of > the width of the "flat" windscreen. Clean up the nail cutters for feet (you > won't like any of that funny sludge on any part of your model) and cut a > curve on one end. Then get another nail cutter, this one for the hand nails, > and work a smaller curve over it. the curved edges of the cutters make > easier to work the windscreen shape and the cuts are clean if the cutters > are new and have no nicks on the edges. > For squarish windshields (like AVRO 504s) just cut the square over a scale > drawing of the part (hey, better make photocopies of the Datafile or you > will ruin the page) Is a little like cuttin PE parts from the fret, the > windshield tends to fly to the twilight zone and being transparent and > shiny, the carpet gnomes will never return it. Be careful and also wear eye > protection. > D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Perry > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:35 AM > Subject: [WWI] Windscreens > > > >>I hate clear parts and the lack of them was one of the things that >>attracted me to modeling WWI subjects. That dislike more often than not >>leads me to "convieniently" forget the windscreen until the upper wing >>is on and then it is usually a mess to get a screen installed. >> >>Does anyone have a method for cutting out windscreens from clear plastic >>sheet? I usually cut a bunch, pick the best two and loose them leaving >>me to work with the third best one. Nothing much will help me there >>short of developing a degree of coordination. I was hoping someone had a >>magic method cutting them out in the first place. >> >>TIA >>sp >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:07:06 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Nie.10 Tripe (was Re: August Internet Modeler) Message-ID: <012f01c23953$f4492ba0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > I believe the instructions call for two-color camo, but I'm having > difficulty seeing two colors in the photos. Stay tuned! :-) On the same bat-channel at the same bat-time? D. or is it "mat-channel"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:08:00 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <200208010808.00379.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I am sorry you refuse to give me an address to mail you the disks. Lee....it's certainly perplexing to deal with you. I 'refused' nothing. I suggested that I didn't want you to spend money just to send me photos. You have my address. > Stubborness sometimes creates it's own rewards. And dealing with you, some hidden ones it seems. Please forget about my request. Go rake someone else's name through the mud. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:37:19 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Windscreens Message-ID: <02Aug1.133904bst.118259@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> I use the clear packing material you get in the collars of new shirts. For a template I use Tamiya tape (sufficiently transparent to trace from a datafile plan) and outline the windscreen shape with very fine pencil then cut with fine/sharp scissors through the tape stuck to the clear plastic. I then future and stick the resultant windscreen on with white glue having, where apropriate, added a frame - usually from thin strips of decal. Of course some kits supply windshields with a ready printed pattern so that addresses the problem HTH Tom -----Original Message----- From: Steven Perry [mailto:sperry03@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: 01 August 2002 12:35 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Windscreens I hate clear parts and the lack of them was one of the things that attracted me to modeling WWI subjects. That dislike more often than not leads me to "convieniently" forget the windscreen until the upper wing is on and then it is usually a mess to get a screen installed. Does anyone have a method for cutting out windscreens from clear plastic sheet? I usually cut a bunch, pick the best two and loose them leaving me to work with the third best one. Nothing much will help me there short of developing a degree of coordination. I was hoping someone had a magic method cutting them out in the first place. TIA sp This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:47:26 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Windscreens Message-ID: <200208010847.26114.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Does anyone have a method for cutting out windscreens from clear plastic > sheet? I usually cut a bunch, pick the best two and loose them leaving The best 'trick' I can offer is to cut it from paper first. This is easier to see when trimming and checking the fit. Once you know the shape, it's a simple matter to cut a clear one. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:57:58 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <02Aug1.135941bst.118293@ucas-firewall.ucas.ac.uk> This sort of spat seems to happen periodically on the list. I suppose the wrong intention can easily be read into impersonal e-mail messages and I am sure no one intentionally tries to offend or insult other list members. I always see this as a community of friends with a shared common interest, ie early aviation history and modelling and I have to confess that while I like lively debate involving different viewpoints I really hate it when things start to get 'personal' or aggressive. So, please, give a moments thought before you hit the send button even though something on the list might be irritating... any irritation caused is very probably unintentional. Just my pennysworth.... Tom -----Original Message----- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:larrym@sympatico.ca] Sent: 01 August 2002 13:13 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Model T vehicles > I am sorry you refuse to give me an address to mail you the disks. Lee....it's certainly perplexing to deal with you. I 'refused' nothing. I suggested that I didn't want you to spend money just to send me photos. You have my address. > Stubborness sometimes creates it's own rewards. And dealing with you, some hidden ones it seems. Please forget about my request. Go rake someone else's name through the mud. Larry This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:40:08 -0400 From: ssh To: Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <3D4915120000A854@mta04.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Tom, I will second that. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:46:12 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <04bf01c23961$ccb637a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Larry! > Lee....it's certainly perplexing to deal with you. I 'refused' nothing. Lee has the strange, perplexing, completely unusual personality that offers you something just because he's generous. There's no other interest behind that and in these wild times that is, as you say, perplexing. > And dealing with you, some hidden ones it seems. Please forget about my > request. Go rake someone else's name through the mud. I'm annoyed because of this phrase. maybe I misunderstand, but Lee's offer is something you should be grateful, even if you decide not to take it for any reason. Why this harsh reply? Lee certainly not deserves this in exchange for an uninterested offer of help. I'd like you to explain your reaction better, or I'm missing something here? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:59:52 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <034101c23963$b7375ec0$bb4d39cc@mesystem> To every one. There was not intent to demean or defame any one. That was plain conversation, personal, and not meant to be on the list at all.. I believe that there will be a happy conclusion to it all. Appropriate and sincere apologies have been submitted. Your understanding will be appreciated as well. Lee M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gourdie" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Model T vehicles > This sort of spat seems to happen periodically on the list. I suppose the > wrong intention can easily be read into impersonal e-mail messages and I am > sure no one intentionally tries to offend or insult other list members. > > I always see this as a community of friends with a shared common interest, > ie early aviation history and modelling and I have to confess that while I > like lively debate involving different viewpoints I really hate it when > things start to get 'personal' or aggressive. > > So, please, give a moments thought before you hit the send button even > though something on the list might be irritating... any irritation caused is > very probably unintentional. Just my pennysworth.... > > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Marshall [mailto:larrym@sympatico.ca] > Sent: 01 August 2002 13:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Model T vehicles > > > > > I am sorry you refuse to give me an address to mail you the disks. > > Lee....it's certainly perplexing to deal with you. I 'refused' nothing. I > suggested that I didn't want you to spend money just to send me photos. > You have my address. > > > Stubborness sometimes creates it's own rewards. > > And dealing with you, some hidden ones it seems. Please forget about my > request. Go rake someone else's name through the mud. > > Larry > > > This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any > purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action > based on them. > > E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for > information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse > nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. > If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:16:16 +0200 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: hello Message-ID: <006001c23912$2e935fc0$3b84043e@d6o1v9> Hi the gang,and welcome to all new listee,i'm back from Kosovo and now ready to work againon my model.One of your Belgian friend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:48:35 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <200208011048.35449.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I'm annoyed because of this phrase. maybe I misunderstand, but Lee's offer > is something you should be grateful, even if you decide not to take it for Yep, Diego, I'm the bad guy here. Then again, you aren't privey to the private email conversation that Lee and I have had. I'm sorry I ever asked about ambulance colors. > I'd like you to explain your > reaction better, or I'm missing something here? Yes you have. I'm not used to private dialog turning into conference mail jabs at me. Maybe I should be but I'm not. In any case, i'll say no more about this whatever as it's clear that I'm being made the bad guy here. So be it; if that title is forced upon me I shall wear it. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:59:59 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: August Internet Modeler Message-ID: <200208011059.59654.larrym@sympatico.ca> > The August Internet Modeler is now live. This time around we have Sanjeev > Hirve's amazing FE2b and Michael Kendix's Mosca MBbis builds and a look at > the Roseplane Nieuport triplane based on the Ni10 not the 17/17bis. WOW!!! OT scores well this month. I have to agree with Diego that Sanjeev's FE2b is super and his article on the building process is a treasure trove of info. Thanks for all the trouble you went through to explain everything so well. To Michael...while you justly complain about the thickness of the flying surfaces, you demonstrate clearly that a good modeler can cause the eye to ignore thick flying surfaces. Super model. I'm also starting to look at my Eduard Albatros a bit differently now, Stephen (grin). I had to drool over the Roseplane Triplane. I didn't know such an aircraft existed. I guess I'm going to have to break down and buy the FMP French book...and maybe a certain model. > As usual other listees are also present, with Al Superczynski heading up > the revamped car section. I'm not a car guy but I found myself looking at some of these classic car kits. The '59 Impala sure brought back memories of my discovery of girls and wheels...or was that wheels and girls. I forget. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:29:42 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <001f01c23970$420d8d60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey Larry, Lee and all who care I simply misunderstood the sense of the messages here. It was a bit curious to me to find that a harmless thread turned into something apparently nasty on the list. My intention was to ask Larry off list about it, since I was in doubt if I really understood the true sense of the phrases (ya know I'm a bloody argie) but alas! I sent the message to the whole list, when I should have keep it private and personal. All is clear now, thanks chaps. D. PS: paint the d**mned ambulance with pink undersides! ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee M. > To every one. There was not intent to demean or defame any one. That was > plain conversation, personal, and not meant to be on the list at all.. > I believe that there will be a happy conclusion to it all. > Appropriate and sincere apologies have been submitted. Your understanding > will be appreciated as well. > Lee M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:33:24 +0100 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: August Internet Modeler Message-ID: >> The '59 Impala sure brought back memories of my discovery of girls and >wheels...or was that wheels and girls. I forget. > >Cheers --- Larry I sem to remember one of the expressions of the time was "she's got a great set of wheels...", mind you, I was only a boy at the time and it took me about 10 years to figure out what is was all about..... An Age of Innocence... N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4557 **********************