WWI Digest 4556 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship by "Diego Fernetti" 2) Re: Somewhat ot paint question by "Hans Trauner" 3) Re: Somewhat ot paint question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 4) Re: Model T vehicles by Larry Marshall 5) Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship by Larry Marshall 6) Re: Model T vehicles by PetersList@aol.com 7) list is strange by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 8) Re: list is strange by Allan Wright 9) Re: list is strange by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 10) Re: Model T vehicles by Larry Marshall 11) Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship by Peter Crow 12) Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship by "Lee M." 13) Re: The Nats by "Mike Muth" 14) re: chorozy profiles by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 15) re: Louvers by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 16) Re: Pink camo... by Shane Weier 17) RE: One for Diego perhaps ? by Shane Weier 18) RE: Roden Rules!! by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 19) Re: metallic beaten look by Shane Weier 20) Re: Somewhat ot paint question by Shane Weier 21) Boxkites and Roland C.II help needed by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 22) Re: Model T vehicles by GRBroman@aol.com 23) Could it be? by "Matt Bittner" 24) Jasta 12 question by "Matt Bittner" 25) Re: Model T vehicles by Larry Marshall 26) Re: metallic beaten look by "iban" 27) Re: The Nats by "Leonard Endy" 28) Re: Boxkites and Roland C.II help needed by "David's Mail" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:08:51 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship Message-ID: <004801c238a4$2e7c8660$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael/Lee I read about the history of the R ships on the old Blandford book. It's a nice reading and good overall view, but nothig too detailed. Has several interesting drawings. I think it must be cheap if found on a 2nd hand bookshop. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship > Thanks to all those who responded about my airship question. I was mislead > somewhat by the blurb on the NKR site, which implied it was used in WW1. > > Michael > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:29:26 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Somewhat ot paint question Message-ID: <001501c238a7$0e621cc0$6aab72d4@FRITZweb> - tone down your aluminium paint with dark grey - if you like shadows, use Tamiya Acrylic Smoke or any equivalent - highlights with pure aluminium, drybrushed or sprayed - for alumnium panels use Bare Metal Foil, toned down with steel wool ( Foil still on the backing paper!) Overdone? Hm. I am a figure painter... Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:47 AM Subject: [WWI] Somewhat ot paint question > Greetings: > > I am doing a somewhat-post-Great-War aircraft in 1/72, the original of which > was mostly painted in silver dope. I've done some experimentation (with > quickly carved wooden mock-ups) and find that any "silver" paint results in a > rather toy-like appearance in such a small scale. I've tried spraying with > aluminum which in fact results in an appearance which seems more like what > the subject should look like. However, since I have been using aluminum for, > well, aluminum, what would I use for the bare aluminum panels on this plane > if I used aluminum for silver? (Everybody confused yet?). This appears to be > a question related to that of "scale color" in that a "silver" and natural > aluminum plane seen at a distance at which it would appear be the same size > as a 1/72 model would look to be in various shades of gray (or grey). Any > suggestions or comments other than that I should return to lurk mode or seek > psychiatric counseling? > > TIA, > > John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:36:41 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Somewhat ot paint question Message-ID: <009201c238a8$11bc27c0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Also remember that OT aluminium wasn't so glossy as Alclad or other modern (or even WWII) materials. G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:35:32 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <200207311135.32147.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Do you want photos or just talk? Ok :-) I have the photo from the US Air Museum but no indication of the coloring of the basic running gear. Was it painted differently on those Ts built for the army? If you've got photos and can send them as attachments without too much trouble, aim them at larrym@sympatico.ca Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:37:20 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship Message-ID: <200207311137.20321.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Larry, Plesae tell me about any airships you know of coming to Canada > after themR100 ans 101. Wish I could but my total knowledge comes from the R100 display in St. Johns. I'm an American in Paris....or sort of and so I'm mostly unknowledgable of Canadian aviation, though I'm learning. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:52:19 EDT From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: Larry, when I was gathering information for my own model http://www.wwimodeler.com/esc/ford.html It appeared to me that most Fords of the period were black from the running boards down and including the mudguards (fenders). A useful link is the Model T Ford Club of America at http://www.mtfca.com/ hth Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:19:24 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: list is strange Message-ID: <00ae01c238b6$6b2fe720$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Hi folks! I've checked archives. What happened between 26th and 29th July? Also digest from 29th is strange. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:43:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: list is strange Message-ID: <200207311743.NAA12349@mustang.sr.unh.edu> The server's disk filled up. I did my best to patch them back together. Allan > > Hi folks! > I've checked archives. What happened between 26th and 29th July? > Also digest from 29th is strange. > Cheers! > G. > > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:02:54 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: list is strange Message-ID: <00cc01c238bc$7e68ce00$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Sure. Thanks, Al. G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:03:55 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <200207311503.55733.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Wednesday 31 July 2002 12:53, you wrote: > Larry, when I was gathering information for my own model And let me say that I love it. I found your review on Internet Modeler while doing a Model T search. Very nice finish work. > http://www.wwimodeler.com/esc/ford.html Ah...this is just a wee bit better than the IM article as it provides the photo you reference in the review. > It appeared to me that most Fords of the period were black from the running > boards down and including the mudguards (fenders). A useful link is the > Model T Ford Club of America at http://www.mtfca.com/ I don't want to suggest that I am knowledgable in this area but I think there is a bounty of evidence to support your view. The MTFC website will even tell you what kind of black was used in the various areas. Where I become doubtful with respect to the ambulances is that it seems that some 4000, purpose-built US Army ambulances were built and shipped overseas and I figure that it's quite possible that this production line may have used a different paint regime than the civilian production. For instance, it's clear that the fenders and running boards of these ambulances were not black. Here's the one in the US Air Force Museum: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/vfe/vfe7.htm Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:28:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Crow To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship Message-ID: <20020731202801.31062.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> For those into cardmodels, there's a freebie of the R-100 in 1/700 scale here... http://www.currell.net/models/mod_free.htm Go to the gallery section to see some build-ups of the finished model.. Ralph Currell puts out some of the best free cardmodels on the internet, with instructions that you wish you would get from major companies...;-) Back to lurk model...;-) ===== Peter Crow Santa Monica, Calif __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:40:27 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship Message-ID: <023201c238d2$81257b00$bb4d39cc@mesystem> I know, positively, that 3 dirigibles flew across the U.S. Canada border near Wallaceburg, headed in the general direction of London in the 1930s. Before 1933. I know it was not the 100 and 101 since they crossed, in 1927, when I was only 2 years old. I do remember seeing three airships flying together and I was between about 5 and 7 years, 1930-1933, of age when it happened and I lived in the small vilalage of Algonac, Michigan just a short distance north of Selfridge Field. Army aircraft and Navy aircraft were flying with the dirigibles as they passed over head about 500 feet above the ground. I have looked for newspaper items or some form of evidence for several years without luck. I know exactly what I saw At least two airships belonged to the U. S. Navy. They did have the little, ( Curtis F9 with the in flight trapeze landing system on them, Sparrowhawks. flying around them and they were used on the airship Macon. I watched them as the came over the southern horizon and disappeared on a northeasterly heading. Now all I have to do is find a newspaper article about it Lee M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Marshall" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:41 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Maquette 1/500 R-100 airship > > > Larry, Plesae tell me about any airships you know of coming to Canada > > after themR100 ans 101. > > Wish I could but my total knowledge comes from the R100 display in St. Johns. > I'm an American in Paris....or sort of and so I'm mostly unknowledgable of > Canadian aviation, though I'm learning. > > Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:50:07 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: The Nats Message-ID: <002101c238dc$3ca4f780$ee47bacc@ptdprolog.net> I still have one of the original list badges and will proudly wear it. > Looking forward to meeting anyone from the list that may be in > attendance. Damn, the list badges....Mine went up in the fire. Someone sent me a scan and I was going to make some new ones, but the scan wouldn't convert to my office computer. I'm willing to give it a try again, if someone can send the scan. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:55:10 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: chorozy profiles Message-ID: <038001c238dc$f0ff02c0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > doesn't anyone know who did the beautiful profiles on the chorozy site, or > where they can be found in full size? I'll ask Tomasz Choroszy. G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:56:44 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Louvers Message-ID: <038801c238dd$291ba280$0200a8c0@grzesiek> From: Steven Perry > I forget who suggested using a screwdriver blade to make louvers in 5 > thou card. Thanks whoever you were, it works great! Of course me! But I've learned it from the one of the best sources: Jacek Sznajder, Choroszy's master-maker. Very cool guy, BTW. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:05:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Re: Pink camo... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7105958E14@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> E points us at his website: >If he's wearing a tux, it's James Bond, and you should be scared. >E. >visit me at... >www.sendmeacoolastinmartinwithlotsofspygizmos.com/ Those of you who failed to open the site may not have noticed the typo halfway through. It should read... www.sendmeacoolastonmartinwithlotsofspygizmos.com/ HTH Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:07:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: One for Diego perhaps ? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7105958E15@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Peter L says: >Oh yes there is! An old fart in the same condition. After twenty five years >I'd still cross the road for a closer look at the one I married. Harrumph. After 20 years SWMBO no longer allows me to cross the road. >Good luck Diego. >A sense of humour is a big help in making it work. ....none of that around here. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:11:10 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Roden Rules!! Message-ID: <040c01c238df$2d5b0f00$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Just coincidence, I would guess. How > else do you explain Mac and Roden issuing all those D.VII's at once? And MAC and ICM Fokker E.IV (and later Eduard), and MAC and Roden Pfalz D.III, and Eduard and Roden Fokker Dr.I I'd like to see a decent Camel!!!!!!!!!!!!! And SPAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! SE-5 is cool plane, especially I can make it with big "G" everywhere, but Revell kit is decent, much better than Camel IMO. I'm very happy with Brisfit. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:13:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Re: metallic beaten look Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7105958E16@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Iban says: >this is the method that has my vote (other than using a miniature ball-peen >hammer to panel-beat your own cowl from micro-thin aluminum sheet, of course That'd be all very well, but once the cowl had been beaten into shape, you'd still be left wondering how to replicate a miniature engine turned finish to hide the evidence of your miniature panel beating. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:20:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Re: Somewhat ot paint question Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7105958E17@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael says: >Too shiny. With 1/72nd scale, you need to flatten things out a bit. Go > ^^^^^^ >easy on the metallics and the Future else, as you say, it'll look "Toy like". > ^^^^^^^^^^^ >I don't know why that is, but it is. Oh, I dunno. Seems clear enough to me ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:04:24 -0500 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Boxkites and Roland C.II help needed Message-ID: <002501c238ef$015545a0$3732b9cc@ncsc> I just tried mailing Charlie for permission to use the Avro if all else fails, but it bounced back. Anyone have an up to date address? Peter and all here's my current email if you need to reach me. iiv000@mail.connect.more.net I 'wish' the Boxkite was finished; was reworking the wings and had probably 20 hours into the top wing (redoing the large covered wood shapes over some of the rib stations). Anyway the wing never got back into the box of parts so I can only hope it's still around and I'll find it behind a piece of furniture when we move in 2004. Have 2.5 stashed away couldn't resist when they were selling on eBay for under $7.00. Working on the interior of the Roland C.II and have built and detailed what I can see in the DF. I know there's additional references and drawings in WWI Aero does anyone know what issue? Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:03:34 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <185.bee33d7.2a79d4d6@aol.com> --part1_185.bee33d7.2a79d4d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/2002 11:54:43 AM Central Standard Time, PetersList@aol.com writes: > > It appeared to me that most Fords of the period were black from the running > boards down and including the mudguards (fenders). A useful link is the > Model > T Ford Club of America at http://www.mtfca.com/ > > There is a famous saying from Henry Ford about the Model T. "You can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black." There fore, the assumption that the frame remained black is pretty valid. If the British repainted the upper part, my guess, and the box art seems to confirm, the color is Field Drab, a brown color. This followed bronze green and grey as colors for military vehicles and artillery during the pre and early WWI years. Glen --part1_185.bee33d7.2a79d4d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/2002 11:54:43 AM Central Standard Time, PetersList@aol.com writes:



It appeared to me that most Fords of the period were black from the running
boards down and including the mudguards (fenders). A useful link is the Model
T Ford Club of America at http://www.mtfca.com/



There is a famous saying from Henry Ford about the Model T.  "You can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black."  There fore, the assumption that the frame remained black is pretty valid.  If the British repainted the upper part, my guess, and the box art seems to confirm, the color is Field Drab, a brown color.  This followed bronze green and grey as colors for military vehicles and artillery during the pre and early WWI years.  
Glen --part1_185.bee33d7.2a79d4d6_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:20:49 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Could it be? Message-ID: Could it be that I'll have my "Trio of Triplanes" done for the September IM issue? Could it be? :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:21:47 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Jasta 12 question Message-ID: Just can't seem to find anyone that can answer this one. Does anyone know what color Jasta 12 "painted" (if they did) the struts on their Fokker Dr.Is? Is it also a safe assumption to say that the all-black tail wrapped around to the underside as well? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:23:38 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model T vehicles Message-ID: <200207312023.38154.larrym@sympatico.ca> > There is a famous saying from Henry Ford about the Model T. "You can have > it in any color you want, as long as it's black." There fore, the Do you think he would have said the same thing if the US Field Service said, "We want 4000 of them in olive drab?" While there were a lot of Model Ts converted to all sorts of war service, there is a bunch of evidence that the RPM kit is representative of a standardized, field ambulance, of which more than 4000 were delivered to Europe. > assumption that the frame remained black is pretty valid. If the British > repainted the upper part, my guess, and the box art seems to confirm, the Nope...they weren't driving them...they weren't building them. Here's a website that talks about the American Field Service. You can find several photos of the vehicle in question and a whole lot of information in the form of driver diaries and such. http://afsweb.afs.org/links.nsf/pages/archives > color is Field Drab, a brown color. This followed bronze green and grey as > colors for military vehicles and artillery during the pre and early WWI > years. But Glen, all of this is based on the supposition that it was the Brits who were painting these. That simply was not the case. This is what they look like. Note the US on the side: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/vfe/vfe7.htm Given that this layout, with the rag top, large boxes on the sides, etc. is fairly consistent across all the photos I've found suggests that they were being shipped that way, not built in the field. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:17:46 -0400 From: "iban" To: Subject: Re: metallic beaten look Message-ID: <037a01c238f0$dd5f1de0$0bd9fea9@eis> > Iban says: > > >this is the method that has my vote (other than using a miniature ball-peen > >hammer to panel-beat your own cowl from micro-thin aluminum sheet, of > course > > That'd be all very well, but once the cowl had been beaten into shape, you'd > still be left wondering how to replicate a miniature engine turned finish to > hide the evidence of your miniature panel beating. > > Shane that's right, the e-iii cowls were engine turned, weren't they? i had that knocking feeling i was forgetting something. how bloomin' embarassing, i've now been here long enough to forget not only the answers, but even the questions, that i asked before. now where'd i leave my alzheimers meds? welcome back, shane! cheers mate. iban. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:58:08 -0400 From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Nats Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > I still have one of the original list badges and will proudly wear it. >> Looking forward to meeting anyone from the list that may be in >> attendance. >Damn, the list badges....Mine went up in the fire. Someone sent me a scan >and I was going to make some new ones, but the scan wouldn't convert to my >office computer. I'm willing to give it a try again, if someone can send the >scan. Hi Mike, I think I still have both of mine and your welcome to one if you want it. I'll bring it with me Sat and try and catch-up with you. Len ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:10:50 -0500 From: "David's Mail" To: Subject: Re: Boxkites and Roland C.II help needed Message-ID: <001301c238f8$4708f750$db93cf18@Jeanne> Great to see the interest in these Inpact kits. Playing the E-bay game, I have acquired all of these (still waiting for the Martin Handasyde to arrive) plus an extra Deperdussen. The most one of these will set you back is $15. These are a great buy. Now to see where those Tom's pe wire wheels went.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: [WWI] Boxkites and Roland C.II help needed > I just tried mailing Charlie for permission to use the Avro if all else > fails, but it bounced back. Anyone have an up to date address? > > Peter and all here's my current email if you need to reach me. > iiv000@mail.connect.more.net > > I 'wish' the Boxkite was finished; was reworking the wings and had probably > 20 hours into the top wing (redoing the large covered wood shapes over some > of the rib stations). Anyway the wing never got back into the box of parts > so I can only hope it's still around and I'll find it behind a piece of > furniture when we move in 2004. Have 2.5 stashed away couldn't resist when > they were selling on eBay for under $7.00. > > Working on the interior of the Roland C.II and have built and detailed what > I can see in the DF. I know there's additional references and drawings in > WWI Aero does anyone know what issue? > > Charlie > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4556 **********************