WWI Digest 4542 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: mono-filiment rigging by PetersList@aol.com 2) leaving for a week by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 3) re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) by "Diego Fernetti" 4) RE: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling by "Diego Fernetti" 5) Re: Another update by Larry Marshall 6) re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) by Karen Rychlewski 7) re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) by Larry Marshall 8) Re: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling by Karen Rychlewski 9) Re: Another update by "Diego Fernetti" 10) re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling by Tom Plesha 12) Re: Another update by Larry Marshall 13) re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) by Larry Marshall 14) Re: Model Painting with Oils by Larry Marshall 15) Re: Phoenix D.I by Karen Rychlewski 16) re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours by "Lance Krieg" 18) Re: OTF AH project by "Lance Krieg" 19) Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours by "Diego Fernetti" 20) Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Exsisting Pfalz D.XII by "Brian Nicklas" 23) RE: Model Painting with Oils by "Ray Boorman" 24) Re: Exsisting Pfalz D.XII by "Ray Boorman" 25) JaPo book news by "Brian Nicklas" 26) RE: JaPo book news by "Diego Fernetti" 27) RE: Model Painting with Oils by Larry Marshall 28) RE: Model Painting with Oils by "Ray Boorman" 29) Brass plaques and instruments faces for cockpits by "Ray Boorman" 30) RE: Model Painting with Oils by Larry Marshall 31) Re: Brass plaques and instruments faces for cockpits by "Brent Theobald" 32) Re: Exsisting Pfalz D.XII by "David Watts" 33) Re: Phoenix D.I by "Dave Burke" 34) OEF Albatros by "Dave Burke" 35) Re: OEF Albatros by "Lance Krieg" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:46:07 EDT From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: mono-filiment rigging Message-ID: <76.1f885654.2a6d4a7f@aol.com> In a message dated 21/07/02 15:43:58 GMT Daylight Time, plesha3@yahoo.com writes: << Uniformity and consistency. Later >> Stretching clear sprue or acrylic rod would achieve that cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:50:01 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: leaving for a week Message-ID: <018a01c23175$e9db6740$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Have fun! Grzegorz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:55:59 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) Message-ID: <007d01c23176$bee0ca20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Four Days. Wow again... I see that we're spoiling Bill, he's starting to detail the cockpits in depth and taking pictures of them, this sure may end on the near paralysis we AMS sufferers have. God forbids! Every new model made by Bill makes us enthusiastic and inspire us for the better. I see that he chose to paint the two-colour austrian camo in green instead of grays. That only decision would have me frozen in front of my paint box. Also to note is the good surface details on the Sierra vacs. I like their treatment of the wing ribs. Bob, could you tell us how they were done in your masters? Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:33 AM Subject: [WWI] re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) > > > Bill Arnold sends in his latest - an UFAG C.I finished in *four > > days*!! Oh, to have that sort of time... > > Hehehehe! > Another Austro-Hungarian! Great! > BTW, if you don't have macro lens, don't be afraid to make detailed photos > from greater distance. On the print you'll get very small subject in the > middle of the picture, but photographs have good resolution - you can make > good blow-ups on the scanner from print. You'll get sharp and good pictures > of the small details! The most important is sharpness of the main subject of > the photo, not its size. > Cheers! > G. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:59:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <009101c23177$41d45960$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Peter Thanks a lot for your hard work, it will be sure be appreciated by many modelers even out of our merry band and sure will lure others to try WW1 modelling. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:58:24 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another update Message-ID: <200207220758.24124.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Larry Marshall sent in a medicore, run of the mill Oeffag > Albatros D.II. > > Better, G? ;-) Certainly a more accurate description. > Seriously though, wonderful model, Larry! Let me tell you a sad story about that model....and many of my other models. This weekend, the huge shelf-system that all of my plastic models (all 3 of them) and some of my free flight models sat on decided to head to the floor. The models beat the shelf to the floor but the shelf made its mark when it caught up, completely smashing the plastic models and several of the FF models. In total, 7 models were written off and a few others were damaged. At this point, my mediocre D.II looks like it was flown by a mediocre pilot into a mountainside :-( Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:50:07 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) Message-ID: <3D3BFF7E.5A10D52E@earthlink.net> Diego Fernetti wrote: > Four Days. Wow again... I built that kit years ago, but fer sure not in four days! For those of you who think Bill Arnold is the group name of a bunch of modeling clones, you'll get your chance to meet him at the Nats in Virginia Beach > ... > Also to note is the good surface details on the Sierra vacs. I like their > treatment of the wing ribs. Bob, could you tell us how they were done in > your masters? I'd like to hear that answered too, Bob. Sierra vacs have always been among the best in rib detail and overall accuracy--sure wish there were more of them...are you listening, Bob? Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:52:41 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) Message-ID: <200207220852.41484.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I see that we're spoiling Bill, he's starting to detail the cockpits in > depth and taking pictures of them, this sure may end on the near paralysis > we AMS sufferers have. No relief in sight, Diego. If you read the captions on his previous offerings, those all have detailed cockpits. I think they're subcontracted to the elves that live in his basement. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:55:26 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <3D3C00BE.2D52A15C@earthlink.net> A true labor of love, Peter. Many new modelers (and some of us old ones, as well) will benefit from your efforts. Keep us posted... Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:59:35 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Another update Message-ID: <010601c2317f$a18d6100$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Larry! > The models beat the shelf to the floor but the shelf made its mark when it > caught up, completely smashing the plastic models and several of the FF > models. In total, 7 models were written off and a few others were damaged. Yikes. Sorry to hear this. Now it's time to practice the ancient art of model restoration! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:03:07 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) Message-ID: <011c01c23180$1fcb7e80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > No relief in sight, Diego. If you read the captions on his previous > offerings, those all have detailed cockpits. I think they're subcontracted > to the elves that live in his basement. Mordious! you're right L. I must get rid of the iron object of my house and round up some pixies or leprechauns. Hard to come by in these southern lands... D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <20020722130826.85696.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Peter- I've a copy of it that indicates First Published 1975. If there is anything I can scan for you, etc. let me know. Later Tom --- PetersList@aol.com wrote: SNIP > One thing new to me is just how much the first and > second editions differ. I > have owned three or four copies but all have been > firsts so I wasn't even > aware of the existence of a second edition until a > friend loaned me his for > this project. The text is much the same but several > illustrations appearing > in one are absent from the other. > > > cheers > > Peter L __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:21:46 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another update Message-ID: <200207220921.46145.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Yikes. Sorry to hear this. Now it's time to practice the ancient art of > model restoration! Maybe. Mostly it was time to find a garbage can. I did spend an hour getting my daughter's first and only plastic model reassembled. It still needs some paint touch-up but fortunately her standards have yet to be set so it was easy :-) "Restoration" of my Roland would be best done by taking the pressure pump and adding to it, a new Eduard kit :-) It is possible that I could 'fix' my new Albatros and I may since I haven't even had a chance to take it to a club meeting. The fuselage and tail made it through ok. It needs a new set of undercarriage struts and the struts and cabanes are mostly junk. One lower wing is broken but otherwise it's just fine :-) My free flight models are another thing entirely. There's only one that might be salvagable in a shorter time than it would take to build new ones and that one needs a new wing. It was "Bloody July" in Quebec. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:22:50 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) Message-ID: <200207220922.50777.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Mordious! you're right L. I must get rid of the iron object of my house and > round up some pixies or leprechauns. Hard to come by in these southern > lands... They're all unionized here and won't work for room and board here. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:26:32 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model Painting with Oils Message-ID: <200207220926.32612.larrym@sympatico.ca> > thing to keep in mind - the strength of using oils in this regard > is also its weakness. By that I mean oils' drying time. It's > awesome to have a lot of time to work with, to try and make the Given your description, it doesn't look like you 'used' the slow drying time in any way. Could you clarify? > Once I had the two colors mixed, then I started to apply the > paint. I used a 10/0 Loew-Connell (or maybe Loew-Cornell, the > writing is rubbed off) 1350 Liner brush. I started with the > brush "loaded", then kept moving out until the brush was "clean" > and the painting "faded". Then I started again. It looks like I Did you go back over this in some way, doing some blending of the strokes or something? If not, wouldn't thinned enamels work as well? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:30:13 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Phoenix D.I Message-ID: <3D3C08E4.DF88298A@earthlink.net> Dave Burke wrote: > Sorry about the missing umlaut, My condolences--hope you find it soon... > but I need some info re: Phonix D.I > known as J.12, used in A-H Naval service and depicted in the Pegasus kit. I > notice that on page 22 in the Datafile, the aircraft is shown as captured, > with the upper-wing kreuzen blanked out and a fuselage sash. Does anyone > have pics of this bird before it was captured? And what about the sash - > was that an A-H marking or an Italian marking? And what color were the > crosses likely blanked out with? Also: can anyone fill me in on the color > of the upper-wing center section? The old "Profile" publication incorrectly labels this as "J.1" but adds that the patches on the wings resulted from Italian souvenir hunters helping themselves to the crosses; color of added patches is unknown. The "Flugzeuge der k.u.k. ..." tome doesn't include a photo of J.12 but other naval Phonixs (-es, -nice, ??) used simple bands and zig-zags so J.12's is probably an AH marking (white?). The upper wing center is most likely CDL (see DF photo below the one of J.12)--I think the apparent difference is a trick of lighting. But both J.12 and J.4 have a rectangular panel on the right side of the center section that definitely is something different--anyone know what that is? Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:32:55 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: re: And Yet Another (Diego should read this too) Message-ID: <019e01c23184$49745500$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Marshall > They're all unionized here and won't work for room and board here. The Fair People ain't what it used to be anymore. I hear that the Japanese bought Avalon to build a theme park there. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:36:54 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours Message-ID: Matt and I discuss this plane: " I seem to recall that it was never delivered to an operational unit in Germany, and perhaps not even finished until after the Armistice." "Hmmm...I would have to check the Datafile for sure, but I could have sworn a number of Jastas received a few that flew operationally." I'm talking about the specific machine in the NASM. As you say, there were plenty of operational D.XIIs. And there are more than two survivors, yes? I seem to recall a half dozen or so, in various museums. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:43:16 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: OTF AH project Message-ID: Hey! "...those of us attending the Over The Front Seminar in Dayton in September, '03 have decided on a group project: building Oef. DIII's in AH service...We all decided on 1/72nd as a group." Funny, I don't recall this conversation. I'll bet Tom Morgan and Graham Hunter don't, either. But we can still come, if we promise not to bring anything? ;-) Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:47:40 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours Message-ID: <01be01c23186$58a237c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lance! > I'm talking about the specific machine in the NASM. As you say, there > were plenty of operational D.XIIs. And there are more than two > survivors, yes? I seem to recall a half dozen or so, in various > museums. Nope, just 2: that Australian War Memorial machine and that of the NASM. None of them sports their original paint scheme, but the Aussie Pfalz is nearest. MAybe there are parts of them in other museums. D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:09:53 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours Message-ID: Diego reports: "Nope, just 2: that Australian War Memorial machine and that of the NASM." To which I respond: "Fiddlesticks!" There is a Pfalz D.XII in Le Bourget, another at Champlin in Phoenix. And I'm convinced there are others, I just can't recall where... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:18:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours Message-ID: <01e401c2318a$9770dfc0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ooops! You're right. I'm confused with Albatrosen here. Anyway. I'd like to see the NASM Pfalz in any other colour but red/white checkers. And near the floor level! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: NASM Pfalz D.XII colours > Diego reports: > > "Nope, just 2: that Australian War Memorial machine and that of the > NASM." > > To which I respond: "Fiddlesticks!" There is a Pfalz D.XII in Le > Bourget, another at Champlin in Phoenix. And I'm convinced there are > others, I just can't recall where... > > Lance > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:58:51 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Exsisting Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: The Champlin Collection is now property Museum of Flight, but it hasn't moved yet. http://www.museumofflight.org/collections/champlindisplay.html?ID=115 There is one at Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace http://www.mae.org/images/mae193.jpg The NASM D.XII http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/pfaltz.htm Australian War Memorial http://www.australianflyingcorps.org/aircraft/museum/awm_pfalz.html Like Lance, I keep thinking there is one in England, but I can't recall where... -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:24:46 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Model Painting with Oils Message-ID: <6098E71394BDB4947BCF01EF28CF0151@Ray_B.prontomail.com> I use a light box when I do figures. It cost all of about 3 bucks to make and has lots of uses other than getting oils to dry. Basicly take a box about 1 ft square and reasonably tall (18 inches on mine) cut a hole in the top for the light fitting to be suspended through. Then use a low wattage bulb. I use 40 watts. It will dry oils in 30 mins to 3 or 4 hours depending on how much turpentine you used to blend with the paints. Oh depending on the light fitting you use do make sure you cover any wires. Wouldnt want any zapped modellers. One thing to note if you use stretched sprue for rigging you might want to do weathering etc before you rig, since the box does get warm. It should be fine with plastic and resin, but fine rigging can be a bit delicate. The figures I do are plastic and resin and I have never had a problem yet. Oils imo are awesome for getting washes, shading and drybrushing. They work well over acrylics. In fact with figures I paint the figure first with acrylics then use oils to bring the subject to life with shading for highlights and shadow. Sometimes I swear I like playing with the colours more than the subjects. I also use the light box to get normal paint, decals and other stuff that I get impatient with, to dry Ray ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Diego Fernetti" Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:52:58 -0400 (EDT) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Model Painting with Oils Matt wrote:> > The Eduard Dr.I I'm working on (to be turned into a Jasta 12 > machine) I decided to try to use oils for the streaking.  One > thing to keep in mind - the strength of using oils in this regard > is also its weakness.  By that I mean oils' drying time.  It's > awesome to have a lot of time to work with, to try and make the > streaking look "right".  However, it's also another thing to wait > for days to the oil paint to dry. Why not rigging a homemade lightbox to this purpose? Robert K. mentioned it several times. D. ---- End Original Message ---- ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:39:14 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org, multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Exsisting Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <1EA20041EE3DF7149BADF326E3E7B253@Ray_B.prontomail.com> Does anyone know when the Champlin aircraft are going to be moved to Seattle... I know thats somewhat heretical for those near Champlin but I live just two hours north of the Museum of flight.... Btw anyone who goes through the Airport at Minneapolis should look for the Jenny that is hanging from the ceiling. Saw it a few weeks ago, one of the few times I have enjoyed being layed over for a few hours. Ray ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Brian Nicklas" The Champlin Collection is now property Museum of Flight, but it hasn't moved yet. http://www.museumofflight.org/collections/champlindisplay.html?ID=115 ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:48:58 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: JaPo book news Message-ID: Have a visit today from two gentlemen associated with JaPo books in the Czech Republic. (One is the fellow who does their profiles.) They mentioned that they have a title in production on the Aviatik Berg. Should be as nice as the Albatros D.II &D.III Oeffag book.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:54:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: JaPo book news Message-ID: <024d01c23198$00d2cc00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Nicklas > Have a visit today from two gentlemen associated with JaPo books in the > Czech Republic. > (One is the fellow who does their profiles.) Is he the famous Vaso Hochmut? > They mentioned that they have a title in production on the Aviatik Berg. > Should be as nice as the Albatros D.II &D.III Oeffag book.... Would they write a book about the Naglo Quadruplane soon? D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:55:50 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Model Painting with Oils Message-ID: <200207221155.50110.larrym@sympatico.ca> Ray, thanks for this explanation. Sounds like a great idea. > I use a light box when I do figures. It cost all of about 3 bucks to > make and has lots of uses other than getting oils to dry. Basicly > take a box about 1 ft square and reasonably tall (18 inches on mine) > cut a hole in the top for the light fitting to be suspended through. Is the bottom 'open' and do you just set the box over the model? > They work well over acrylics. In fact with figures I paint the figure > first with acrylics then use oils to bring the subject to life with > shading for highlights and shadow. Sometimes I swear I like playing > with the colours more than the subjects. Ray, have you done any of the WWI figures from Metal Models? If so, I"m curious what you think of them. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:13:46 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org, multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Model Painting with Oils Message-ID: <8C17EF8CDC850BD4AB1912BD6287A36A@Ray_B.prontomail.com> Larry, For me and my klutzy hands I find its better to cut a hole in the end of the box that opens, this is for the light. Then all I do is pull the light out and open the box to place the model in the box. I have used one with no bottom but I dropped the darn box on it when I was taking it off the model. Most normal people (not me) would probably find the bottomless box sturdier. >Is the bottom 'open' and do you just set the box over the model? Sorry strictly napoleonics for figures. Something to do with all the gaudy colours that attacts me. >Ray, have you done any of the WWI figures from Metal Models?  If so, >I"m curious what you think of them. Ray ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:36:05 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org, multiple recipients of list Subject: Brass plaques and instruments faces for cockpits Message-ID: <792115CF2D4A88F4DB23887422DB5FE4@Ray_B.prontomail.com> Over the weekend I was printing off family photos on my inkjet printer. Whilst I was waiting for the photos to print I was thumbing through the Windsock Fokker DVII anthology. On one of the pages they had a drawing of an instrument panel. There is also a detailed drawing of the face of the Compass too. Now on the instrument panel they had the little plaques that are above the gauges. These are supposedly in bright metal with the lettering in black. I looked at these and an idea came to mind why not scan the plaques in then reduce the size of the plaques in Photoshop. So I very thinly coated a page of photo quality paper with brass paint. Then once dry I sprayed it with future, again very thin. Then let the whole thing dry. Next i scanned in the instrument panel drawing and cropped everything but one plaque, reduced it to 10 percent of its original size and cloned it lots of times on a new file in photoshop. Then printed it. lol it darn well worked lots of very small 1/72 size plaques and I just have to cut them out now. I could have used decal film, but I get nervous about the film gumming up my inkjet printer. One thing to note, I found this worked fine with photoshop but I got large blobs with some other photo editing software instead of plaques. I'm sure someone more photo savvy will know why, I don't though. The paper I used was Epson Photo quality Ink jet paper. Not the shiny thick stuff but the paper that is very thin and is designed for presentation handouts. Seems to me lots of instrument faces can be done if you have a good drawing. The compass face is next up for me. Seems I might be starting one of my Roden DVII's soon ;) Ray ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:44:16 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Model Painting with Oils Message-ID: <200207221244.16076.larrym@sympatico.ca> > have used one with no bottom but I dropped the darn box on it when I > was taking it off the model. Most normal people (not me) would > probably find the bottomless box sturdier. As one who just dropped a couple hundred pounds worth of shelving on his models, this was the first thing I thought of, which is why I asked for clarification. I shall follow your lead :-) > Sorry strictly napoleonics for figures. Something to do with all the > gaudy colours that attacts me. Yeah...they are pretty cools. Was was certainly different when you dressed to be a better target. Given that you're into Napoleonics, and that you do plastic figures, do you find the Historex figures acceptable by today's standards? I'd like to do a few myself and their pricing is certainly inviting. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:29:22 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Brass plaques and instruments faces for cockpits Message-ID: Howdy! Wow! Great tip, I think I am going to try this in 48th. I still haven't sealed up the Gotha, so it's not too late! Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:38:06 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: Subject: Re: Exsisting Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: Hi all, For another Pfalz D.XII, you might be thinking of when the NASM Pfalz D.XII was at the EAA Museum in Oshkosh. I was at Silver Hill getting a personal tour by the guy that ended up going to prison, (I believe his name was Carl Schnide for selling relics from the museum's storage), when the Pfalz D.XII came back from EAA on loan. The guys in restoration were super pissed as the EAA guys had "restored" the Pfalz without permission by applying fiber glass over the fuselage as well as many parts and goodies, (instruments, engine accessories), came up missing. After the "glassing" of the fuselage they decided to just paint it in movie colors and hang it up where people couldn't see the poor restoration and attempt to restore the aircraft fully at another time. Best, Dave W. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Ray Boorman Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Exsisting Pfalz D.XII Does anyone know when the Champlin aircraft are going to be moved to Seattle... I know thats somewhat heretical for those near Champlin but I live just two hours north of the Museum of flight.... Btw anyone who goes through the Airport at Minneapolis should look for the Jenny that is hanging from the ceiling. Saw it a few weeks ago, one of the few times I have enjoyed being layed over for a few hours. Ray ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Brian Nicklas" The Champlin Collection is now property Museum of Flight, but it hasn't moved yet. http://www.museumofflight.org/collections/champlindisplay.html?ID=115 ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:05:27 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Phoenix D.I Message-ID: <005501c231aa$5cbbad40$ece379a5@s0024008072> Thanks Karen! I reckon now I can get back to turning the weird little bird out! Strange how something so funny looking flew so well... DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:38:55 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: OEF Albatros Message-ID: <000f01c231af$09474a20$ece379a5@s0024008072> Hey Y'all, Who makes an OEF conversion for the Albatros for a series 253? Anybody have a spare Pegasus kit? TIA!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:41:52 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: OEF Albatros Message-ID: " Who makes an OEF conversion for the Albatros for a series 253? Anybody have a spare Pegasus kit?" Jeez, I think DB has gone completely over to the dark side. Build it in 1/48, using an Eduard kit with pieces from the Glencoe model, or the Blue Max version. Lance ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4542 **********************