WWI Digest 4531

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) re: Albatros book and others
	by "Neil Crawford" <neil.crawford@swipnet.se>
  2) au naturel
	by "Neil Crawford" <neil.crawford@swipnet.se>
  3) List Badges and the Nationals
	by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins)
  4) re: Albatros book and others
	by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
  5) Roden models
	by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
  6) New upload
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  7) Not here
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  8) RE: New upload
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  9) Re: Czech site on the Oeffag D.III 253.116
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 10) RE: Bye for a while...
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 11) OT replicas in Texas
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 12) Re: Monocouque II
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 13) The man just doesn't stop
	by tbittners@sprintmail.com
 14) RE: The man just doesn't stop
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 15) Good moring Monday!
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 16) Re: New upload
	by Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
 17) Re: C&C question
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 18) Re: Flik 60J bands again
	by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita)
 19) I have been warned, but could not resist  - MAC Fokker DVII's
	by "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
 20) website
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 21) RE: LVG C.VI Rib Tapes
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 22) Unsubbing
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 23) Re: Unsubbing
	by Allan Wright <aew@mustang.sr.unh.edu>

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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:02:21 +0200
From: "Neil Crawford" <neil.crawford@swipnet.se>
To: "ww1 list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: re: Albatros book and others
Message-ID: <000501c22b79$bfccc360$38b097d4@default>

But, guy, you like SPADs, and Austrians rather killed SPADs (Italian) than
used them?
What you'll do with this book?
;-)
Cheers!
G.

I'll use it to broaden my mind!
/Neil C.




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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:30:36 +0200
From: "Neil Crawford" <neil.crawford@swipnet.se>
To: "ww1 list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: au naturel
Message-ID: <001401c22b7d$b3721620$38b097d4@default>

For some weird reason I've just been reading a copy of Air Force Monthly
from about 1994, in that they mention a poor Boeing  KC137 crew that just
got suspendend from flying because they flew an entire mission in the nude.
Otherwise a rather boring magazine.
Best regards Neil C. 

rofl!  i've seen hell's angels types with stickers on their harleys saying
"ride naked!" but it figures that the french started the trend in flying...

> No wonder the observers caught so many colds!
> N
>
> >IIRC the French air service in the begginings (years before 1914)
expected
> >that the observer aboard the airplane must know how to draw maps and they
> >carried a small portable device to take notes "au naturel" from the
terrain.
> >D.


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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:04:18 -0500
From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins)
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: List Badges and the Nationals
Message-ID: <a05111700b957a47b1915@[192.168.1.100]>

For those of you who are interested, List badges will be available in 
Va. Beech.  They will be $1.00 each, and have 2002 Nationals added to 
the text.  Contact myself or Dame Karen at the Beech.  We only have a 
limited number available now, but I will take orders for duplicates 
if we run out.

Shortly after my return, I plan to have the plane List Buttons (3 
styles) with out the Nationals tag line available for order.  I will 
let you know more in August.

JP

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Date: 	Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:06:11 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: re: Albatros book and others
Message-ID: <00ea01c22b82$aa145fc0$0200a8c0@grzesiek>


> I'll use it to broaden my mind!
> /Neil C.
Good idea!
When your mind will be to broad to fit your hat, sent the book across the
Baltic sea!
BTW, you are alive! I expected that you're out of comp.
G.


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Date: 	Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:28:54 +0200
From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" <Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Roden models
Message-ID: <013401c22b9e$fb9d1c80$0200a8c0@grzesiek>

Hi!
Some of us wrote to them, some not.
Please, let them know that we like their models and that we'd like to see
more. I asked for more Austrians and SPADs, Sopwiths, and Hannover
Cl.II/III.
I also wrote that I like that they provide many various decal schemes in
each kit.
Address is:
www.rodenplant.com
Cheers!
G.


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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:27:05 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: New upload
Message-ID: <E17U33f-0000Z1-00@goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Bill Arnold must be the Energizer Bunny - he keeps building, and
building, and building, and...

He sends in an awesome Pegasus Halberstadt D.II.  Stunning!

Finger chopper time!!!


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Page
Assistant Editor



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:27:51 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Not here
Message-ID: <E17U34O-0000v9-00@goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Since I'm out of town until Thursday now, please don't send me
any additions to the site.  I don't want my inbox to fill up, and
risk running out of room.  Thanks!


Matt Bittner



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:40:18 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: New upload
Message-ID: <020b01c22bec$035b8180$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Incredible. More yet, he states that "Construction from start to finish took
three days.". I can't even imagine this. He must look like a blur while
building. How does he to make paint dry on this little time? Sure he has
some device to freeze or slow the time or such.
Most awesome. Check the picture with the turtledeck detail. It clearly shows
the neatness of the construction, not a trace of filler nor marks on the
seam and still the stringer detail is there. The paint job is pristine as
well, as usual, with a restrained weathering effect. I wish I can do such
good work, so fast!
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Bittner <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: [WWI] New upload


> Bill Arnold must be the Energizer Bunny - he keeps building, and
> building, and building, and...
>
> He sends in an awesome Pegasus Halberstadt D.II.  Stunning!
>
> Finger chopper time!!!
>
>
> Matt Bittner
> WW1 Modeling Page
> Assistant Editor
>
>


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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:48:26 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Czech site on the Oeffag D.III 253.116
Message-ID: <023001c22bed$264cb500$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

I sure hope. I even pondered about making a "dicta Ira" model with distorted
proportions, but being a lazy individual by nature I simply moved on onto
some other unfinished projects.
So my life is.
D.


----- Original Message -----
From: iban <iban@cenderawasih.net>

> i thot you would, diego!  i could easily imagine he was inspired by one of
> your drawings...  :)
>
> iban.



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:56:34 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Bye for a while...
Message-ID: <023c01c22bee$48f323e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Now I'm sure.
Trips to Germany. Trips to China -where Germans have contacts with the
Emperor's chosen ones- and photographic memory.
There's no doubt about this: Volker is a spy for the Kaiser.
Greetings to H21, err... pardon for Frau Margarette Zelle!
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: Volker Haeusler <haeusler@tm.net.my>
> Hi everyone,
> just wanted to let you know that I´m away for a few weeks - first on a
> vacation back to Germany, then on a business trip to China. So I´m signing
> off for now - will be back sometime in August...



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:31:15 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: OT replicas in Texas
Message-ID: <026101c22bf3$21772960$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Nice page. Look, there's a Spad XIII skeleton hanging from the ceiling! Made
of stell tube, but nevertheless very interesting.
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: <PetersList@aol.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI dioramas


> In a message dated Sat, 13 Jul 2002 7:38:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
d_fernetti@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > The aircraft were made and restored on the facility owned by another
person
> > in Texas, and IIRC they must have been sold at good price! They also did
the
> > Fokker D.VII in the Air Force Museum and a Tommy Morse fighter.
> > Lee also mentioned that they're preparing a few (!)
> > brisfits for the future.
>
> It must be these guys...
>
http://www.eaa187.org/articles/Kingsbury/KingsburyFlyingDay.htm
>
> cheers
>
> Peter L
>
>


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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:42:35 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Monocouque II
Message-ID: <027e01c22bf4$b6cb8140$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Iban
To write about the Hedilla II, you may like to send the mail to this address
aeromuseo@bcnet.upc.es wich is in fact the association who made the replica.
Joan was involved with it but IIRC he has no drawings (yet) at his immediate
disposition, but they sure do.
Joan also told me -just a while ago- that the FPAC is making an updated
website, so I once again reminded him to put all the data about this and
other projects for pondering by the wild bunch of cybermodelers we are.
Speaking of spanish airplanes, I think I have something about a weird
biplane named "Flecha" (Arrow) designed by a Spanish during WW1. This is the
kind of aircraft that sure will interest the Fletchers, I guess!
D.


----- Original Message -----
From: iban <iban@cenderawasih.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 3:34 PM
Subject: [WWI] Re: Monocouque II


> i speak enough spanish (tho with a decidedly caribean accent) that i think
> i'll give it a try.  i'll keep you posted larry.
>
> diego, thanks again.



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:06:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: tbittners@sprintmail.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: The man just doesn't stop
Message-ID: <20020715120620.18FE74699B@eclipse.qis.net>

Cripes, if it isn't bad enough the amount of WW1 types he builds, he also works on others!

For a look at a non-WW1 type built by Bill Arnold, check out:
http://features02.kitparade.com/buffaloba_1.htm


Matt Bittner

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:16:31 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: The man just doesn't stop
Message-ID: <029c01c22bf9$7419e3a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Double cripes! 9 days for completion!
I think I know his secret: He doesn't bite his nails as I do while pondering
a kit to build! See pictures...
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:07 AM
Subject: [WWI] The man just doesn't stop


> Cripes, if it isn't bad enough the amount of WW1 types he builds, he also
works on others!
>
> For a look at a non-WW1 type built by Bill Arnold, check out:
> http://features02.kitparade.com/buffaloba_1.htm
>
>
> Matt Bittner
>


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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: Good moring Monday!
Message-ID: <200207151330.JAA07129@mustang.sr.unh.edu>

Just checking that the 'kick' I gave the list took. It seems the server
got lazy this weekend.

Allan

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:45:18 -0400
From: Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: New upload
Message-ID: <20020715134650.DWQF10226.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@there>


> Bill Arnold must be the Energizer Bunny - he keeps building, and
> building, and building, and...

Bill...you're amazing.  Both the Halberstadt and Buffalo are superb!

Cheers --- Larry

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:37:14 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: C&C question
Message-ID: <sd3297da.002@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Volker has provided answers to Grzegorz' questions.  A couple of
clarifications:

C&C  17/4/374 does have a picture of Andras Kulczar's Aviatik/Berg
138.27; this plane is the focus of the Flight article, and the version
in CC(I)ontains additional photos.

Alois' last name was "Rudlauer", not "Rodlauer".

The only other reference to markings in all those articles in the brief
description of a 45 Squadron RAF combat with an Austro-Hungarian plane
on July 31, 1918; the latter is described as marked with a pair of long
stripes, one red and one green, "down the fuselage", and marked with an
"octagonal C".  Since it is now widely accepted that the Italians shot
down Linke-Crawford, this information would appear to be irrelevant.

It would seem to me that whole theory of a "C" on the starboard side of
Linke-Crawford's planes stems from a single picture of him standing at
some distance in front of Fritz Jansky's Phonix D.I, as shown in C&C
15/3.  The stylized "J" *could* be interpreted, I guess, for a backward
"C".

Lance

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:39:14 +0200
From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita)
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Flik 60J bands again
Message-ID: <17U70M-1S4cGAC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com>

Hi Grzegorz,

to make the confusion complete: The book "Die Flugzeuge der k.u.k. 
Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918" shows RED fuselage bands with a white 
letter for the Flik 60J (the same like Flik 14J?!). A black band without a 
letter is shown for Flik 72J.  

Greetings
Andreas

Grzegorz Mazurowski schrieb:
> Hi!
> Some of our German firends (probably Hans) wrote about Rodlauer's statement,
> that Flik 60j had definitely BLACK fuselage bands.
> What is a source of this statement? Please for as detailed answer as it is
> possible.
> Cheers!
> G.
>


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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:53:26 +0200
From: "Hans Trauner" <hans.trauner@nefkom.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: I have been warned, but could not resist  - MAC Fokker DVII's
Message-ID: <005e01c22c20$23915d60$b4ab72d4@FRITZweb>

Listees,
the list already had told me all the problems with the MAC Fokker D VII. But
my local plastic dealer suddenly had the first 'Alb' version and the new
'OAW' version for me. I could not resist, I even did not opened both before
I gave hime the money.

My hope was that these kits could be used for some 'fast' projects, and MAC
usually are 'sharp' kits , not so 'soft' like the Rodens. But both are not
worth the money. All I hope now I can use the decals of the Militärnummern
for a 1/48 Albatros (!).

The OAW version suffers from generally low detailed surfaces and completely,
flat (!) cooling louvres. Oh, boy...

Yours
Hans

Next time I will follow the list's advice!



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:05:39 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: "ww1 list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: website
Message-ID: <002c01c22c22$001ff600$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Some interesting pictures -but some mislabeled- are on this new website.
Worth a visit
http://www.flight-history.com/
D.


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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:20:30 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: LVG C.VI Rib Tapes
Message-ID: <005c01c22c23$ebb85980$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Hi Steven
In a book by Osprey it says something about the lozenges on the wing of the
Shuttleworth Collection's LVG being handpainted on a particular shot, due to
unavailability of printed fabric. I don't recall the tapes on the pictures,
but I'll check later today.
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:14 AM
Subject: [WWI] LVG C.VI Rib Tapes


> I am looking at photos of the Shuttleworth LVG C.VI. These are color
> photos taken at various times.
>
> One photo of the airplane in flight taken from above clearly shows
> ribtapes only on the rib stations and the bolt seams lining up on rib
> stations and covered with the same tape. (A/G bolt widths match up on
> the rib stations of the Blue Max LVG.)
>
> There is another photo taken on the ground 3/4 rear port side. This
> shows the uppersurface of the top wing and there are clearly 2 places
> where there is an extra tape going over the bolt seams that now match up
> several inches port of the rib station.
>
> This is obviously a different covering of the wing. Does anyone know the
> history of this airframe's various restorations? Which (if either?) was
> representative of the original state?
>
> I can send scans of the photos in question on reguest.
>
> TIA
> sp
>


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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:30:38 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Unsubbing
Message-ID: <E17U9fX-0005aC-00@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

While in D.C. (I'll see the forumites tomorrow night) I'll be
unsubbed.  Like I said earlier this morning, please do *not* send
me any submissions for the site, as it will just clutter my
inbox.


Matt Bittner



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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:33:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Unsubbing
Message-ID: <200207151733.NAA08627@mustang.sr.unh.edu>

I'll be here so send them my way if you like.

Al

> 
> While in D.C. (I'll see the forumites tomorrow night) I'll be
> unsubbed.  Like I said earlier this morning, please do *not* send
> me any submissions for the site, as it will just clutter my
> inbox.
> 
> 
> Matt Bittner
> 
> 
> 


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