WWI Digest 4529 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: general by PetersList@aol.com 2) Re: OT kits for auction! by PetersList@aol.com 3) Re: OT kits for auction! by "Thomas Solinski" 4) Re: Nieuport Swallowtail docs by Michael Fletcher 5) Re: Bored at Work? by Michael Fletcher 6) Re: Czech site on the Oeffag D.III 253.116 by Karen Rychlewski 7) RE: A-H unit colours by Volker Haeusler 8) Re: C&C question by Volker Haeusler 9) Re: C&C question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 10) Re: Bored at Work? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 11) Re: C&C question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 12) Re: WWI dioramas by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: Czech site on the Oeffag D.III 253.116 by "Diego Fernetti" 14) Re: Monocouque II by "Diego Fernetti" 15) Re: WWI dioramas by "Michael Kendix" 16) Re: WWI dioramas by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Future DF's by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 18) Re: C&C question by "Matt Bittner" 19) Re: C&C question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 20) LVG C.VI Rib Tapes by Steven Perry 21) Re: C&C question by "Matt Bittner" 22) Re: Bored at Work? by Larry Marshall 23) Re: Monocouque II by Larry Marshall 24) Re: Nieuport Swallowtail docs by Larry Marshall 25) Re: C&C question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 26) Re: Bored at Work? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 27) Re: Bored at Work? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 28) Re: C&C question by "Matt Bittner" 29) Re: LVG C.VI Rib Tapes by "Hans Trauner" 30) bathtub by "Jerry" 31) Marcio In Ottawa and Toronto by "Brad Gossen" 32) Re: WWI dioramas by "Lee M." 33) Re: Monocouque II by "iban" 34) Re: Monocouque II by "iban" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:50:34 -0400 From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: general Message-ID: <3A95004F.0853858D.0C5348B3@aol.com> I think the list was down for a couple of hours. At least that's how long my last message took to show. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:57:17 -0400 From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT kits for auction! Message-ID: <320C5F1A.01EBB733.0C5348B3@aol.com> In a message dated Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:38:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, tskio4@cox.net writes: > And if Ernie can use just "E" I hereby claim just "T" for > me. As a mark of respect I shall call you MR T cheers Peter L (as in "bloody L") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:17:43 -0500 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: OT kits for auction! Message-ID: <005901c22a24$3c4c0740$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> I pitty da fool dat dont buidl OT kits! MR T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: OT kits for auction! > In a message dated Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:38:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, tskio4@cox.net writes: > > > And if Ernie can use just "E" I hereby claim just "T" for > > me. > > As a mark of respect I shall call you MR T > > cheers > > Peter L (as in "bloody L") > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 00:54:36 -0400 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport Swallowtail docs Message-ID: <3D2FB28C.933B6397@rogers.com> The machine is the second version of the Nieuport 2 - and is powered by an 18hp Darracq. This was eventually developed into the 2N (with a 28hp Nieuport engine) which severely embarrassed a 100hp Gnome powered Bleriot in a race. Some of these were used as trainers during WW1. Mike Fl. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:06:50 -0400 From: Michael Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bored at Work? Message-ID: <3D2FB56A.35EAD34D@rogers.com> Larry Marshall wrote: > > One > side has aircraft that can fly 50mph faster than the other side. That > other side, however, has guns, while its faster opposition doesn't. Who > wins air superiority? The one with the grappling hook... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:23:33 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Czech site on the Oeffag D.III 253.116 Message-ID: <3D2FB955.70894AB6@earthlink.net> PetersList@aol.com wrote: > What's Czech for dicta Ira? http://www.feudal.cz/html/albapstros_d_iii__oef_.htm Overall, that's a pretty neat site, though. If y'all didn't browse around the whole site, take a peek at yet another Albatros with the lovely sworl camo: http://www.feudal.cz/files/DIIIoef_Keizar03.jpg But, given the choice, how can anyone resist building a model of a plane called 'Mopsi'? Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:02:19 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: A-H unit colours Message-ID: > There are copies of original documents showing unit colours and > placement in > die Albatros OEFFAG Jagdflugzeug der k.u.k Luftfahrtruppen by Peter > Schiemer. I also recall seeing others in CCI or elsewhere. Actually, the copy of that unit colors document is only describing aircraft of Flik´s assigned to the Armeegruppe 6. Therefore Flik 60J (and I guess that´s why Bob mentions this document) is not included, as it was stationed further north in Feltre (not sure which Armeegruppe it belonged to - Belluno?). But as stated in my earlier mail, CC(I) 19/4 has aa description of all Flik markings that are known - however, I am not sure to which extent these are supported by offical/contemporary documents... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:06:12 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: "Wwi@Wwi-Models. Org" Subject: Re: C&C question Message-ID: Grzegorz, > "C&C USA Vol. 17, #3, P. 286 paragraph 5" > > It's Alois Rodlauer's statement about black fuselage bands of Flik 60j > planes. > C&C USA 1/ 3/14-27. > 1/ 4/21-26. > 2/ 4/350-354. > 15/3/193-200. > 17/3/286/5. > 17/4/374 & 383/6. > 18/4/380/4. > > C&C Intl. 17/1/24-35. > > Over the Front 6/ 2/ Vol 17no3 p286: Letter by the late Marty O´Connor. Important sentence: "This informations (the one stating that the Phoenix D I with the "inverted C" originally thought to be LC´s actually is Jansky´s aircraft) is in a letter from Alois Rodlauer, whose aircraft marked with an "R" is visible in several line up photos of this unit. Rodlauer also states that the fuselage bands of Flik 60J were black, rather than red as is the common conception". vol 15 no 3 has a story of Frank L-C and his demise, without any particular news on the fuselage band colors. 17/4, p. 374: Nothing about LC or 60J, must be a typo 17/4, p. 383: letter of Jon Guttman, again showing the Jansky interpretation 18/4, p. 380: actually a reference to the Aviatik D I shown in 17/4/374, nothing on 60J fuselage bands 1/4 and 2/4 contain stories of the demise of LC by Caviogioli (the "Italian variant") and HH Russell (the "British point of view"), again offering nothing conclusive on the colors. CC(I) 17/1 Staet of the "Flight" report on the D I, nothing on 60J - again a typo, I suspect. However, there are 3 photos of 60 J fighters (incl. 115.32) in CC(I) 17/3, p 124/125 Too CC(I) 19/4 (final part of the O´Connor series) has a photo and a description of Flik 60J markings. The OtF cover is the same as the Windsock cover for the Datafile on the Aviatik D I Finally, I *know* there is an article on "The confusing markings of Frank Linke-Crawford" (at least the title is something like that) in an earlier C&C volume - however, I could not find that article at this moment. So: The "black variant" was proposed by Marty O´Connor, based on that letter from Rodlauer. I am not aware of any clear evidence for the "red variant" (beside the fact that Flik 14J used it, while also taking over some Flik 60J pilots and aircraft).Overall, I would at this moment consider the black version more probable - at least there´s an eyewitnmess for that, who seemed to remember a number of things fairly well (see the Jansky identification again). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:40:44 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: C&C question Message-ID: <009101c22a59$be62d800$0200a8c0@grzesiek> ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Krieg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: C&C question > Gzregorz - I have those magazines and can check them for you over the > weekend. I'll let you know Monday. > Lance! Thanks. I mostly need info from the first one. G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:13:58 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Bored at Work? Message-ID: <00bb01c22a5e$62857100$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > While this is a somewhat silly thread, consider two aerial opponents. One > side has aircraft that can fly 50mph faster than the other side. That > other side, however, has guns, while its faster opposition doesn't. Who > wins air superiority? Could faster plane carry bombs? ;-) G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:27:42 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: C&C question Message-ID: <00ed01c22a60$4df31b00$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Grzegorz, > > "C&C USA Vol. 17, #3, P. 286 paragraph 5" Danke schon, Volker! Das war alles ich brauchte. Grzegorz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:16:10 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI dioramas Message-ID: I have seen the pictures that Lee mentions and he generously shared to me. They are awesome and very inspiring. Thanks again Lee! Michael, even if you are not going to build models of any of these soon, you'll love to see them. Lee's point was that the Seattle Museum is forming a quite good collection of WW1 aircraft and replicas, and even when the approach of Cory Graff or whatever his name is wasn't too orthodox (he also sent me directly an email with a .doc file to ponder) it may deserve a little thought if you like to see your diorama in a very visited museum and perhaps inspire a youngster into WW1 modelling. D. >From: "Lee M." >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI dioramas >Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:09:44 -0400 (EDT) > >If you need to see one. I have it. A couple of the Jenny in flight, soke >taking off and numerous as it was being built. > >The Nieuport 28 ( like the Roosevelt Plane on the cover of OTF V. 130 #2) >is >static and I have numerous as it was being built. > >So if you need some let me know. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:16:59 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Czech site on the Oeffag D.III 253.116 Message-ID: WHOA! I love it! D. >From: PetersList@aol.com >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Czech site on the Oeffag D.III 253.116 >Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:01:22 -0400 (EDT) > >What's Czech for dicta Ira? >http://www.feudal.cz/html/albapstros_d_iii__oef_.htm > > >cheers > >Peter L > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:20:28 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Monocouque II Message-ID: Hey Larry! I would advise you to write directly to Joan Juanola, from Catalonia, who sent me the picturwes and was involved with the project. In any case, I'm not too sure if Joan can read and answer in english language easily, and if you need, I can relay your question to him in plain spanish. He also told me that he would send me some pics of a bleriot XI2 in progress they're building right now soon. D. >From: Larry Marshall >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Monocouque II >Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:09:40 -0400 (EDT) > >Diego, > >This is a beautiful aircraft. Is there a source for an accurate 3View and >maybe additional photos? Thanks for posting the photos. > >Cheers --- Larry _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:26:29 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI dioramas Message-ID: Diego/Lee: Yes, I think I understand now. I misunderstood prior - I thought Lee was saying that the museum owned a couple of WW1 planes that he'd rennovated and donated, which would have been very generous of him but besides the point:). Now I understand. Michael >From: "Diego Fernetti" >I have seen the pictures that Lee mentions and he generously shared >to >..[snip] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:37:31 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI dioramas Message-ID: Well, if he would have donated the Nieuport 28 airplane to the museum -who owns the Champlin collection- instead to me -who own none yet- I would have been rather ticked off! ;-) The aircraft were made and restored on the facility owned by another person in Texas, and IIRC they must have been sold at good price! They also did the Fokker D.VII in the Air Force Museum and a Tommy Morse fighter. Lee also mentioned that they're preparing a few (!) brisfits for the future. God bless 'em! D. >From: "Michael Kendix" > I misunderstood prior - I thought Lee was >saying that the museum owned a couple of WW1 planes that he'd rennovated >and >donated, which would have been very generous of him but besides the >point:). > Now I understand. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:42:40 -0500 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "WWIFAQ-Group" Subject: Future DF's Message-ID: <000b01c22a6a$c7df5f00$2332b9cc@ncsc> Lost my hard drive a couple of weeks ago so an slowing getting my computer files back to where they were. Was going back a building my favorites and looked at Albatros Publications site. Ray shows the following as 'next up' Datafiles. 94 - CAUDRON G.3 95 - STAAKEN R.VI 96 - CAUDRON G.4 Wonder if he'll do the Staaken R.VI general arrangement drawings in 1/48? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:44:08 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: C&C question Message-ID: What about the Scale Models' articles? I may have to poke around and look - if I remember, and get a chance. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:03:44 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: C&C question Message-ID: <011701c22a6d$b82612e0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > What about the Scale Models' articles? I may have to poke around > and look - if I remember, and get a chance. ;-) > Matt Bittner Matt! Yes, please, but I need solid proofs, like combat reports or witness statements. (Another info is welcomed too, but not as badly as that solid proofs) G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:12:25 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: LVG C.VI Rib Tapes Message-ID: <3D302739.301@tampabay.rr.com> I am looking at photos of the Shuttleworth LVG C.VI. These are color photos taken at various times. One photo of the airplane in flight taken from above clearly shows ribtapes only on the rib stations and the bolt seams lining up on rib stations and covered with the same tape. (A/G bolt widths match up on the rib stations of the Blue Max LVG.) There is another photo taken on the ground 3/4 rear port side. This shows the uppersurface of the top wing and there are clearly 2 places where there is an extra tape going over the bolt seams that now match up several inches port of the rib station. This is obviously a different covering of the wing. Does anyone know the history of this airframe's various restorations? Which (if either?) was representative of the original state? I can send scans of the photos in question on reguest. TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:19:29 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: C&C question Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:58:42 -0400 (EDT), Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > Yes, please, but I need solid proofs, like combat reports or witness > statements. > (Another info is welcomed too, but not as badly as that solid proofs) Without reading the text (I will in a little bit) there are color plates that show *both* black *and* red fuselage bands. The black band is dated Feb. 1918 (Phonix D.I), the red band dated Nov. 1918 (Phonix D.IIa). After reading I'll let you know more (should I add this to your package, G?). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:20:22 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bored at Work? Message-ID: <200207130920.22704.larrym@sympatico.ca> > > While this is a somewhat silly thread, consider two aerial opponents. > > One side has aircraft that can fly 50mph faster than the other side. > > That other side, however, has guns, while its faster opposition > > doesn't. Who wins air superiority? > > Could faster plane carry bombs? This all got started with the posting of an ot msg about a Pitts Special. Not much room for bombs and I don't think that a Pitts towing a DVa via grappling hook would be one that I'd want to be flying. Nevertheless, for the sake of reason, can we let this thread die. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:23:03 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Monocouque II Message-ID: <200207130923.03272.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I would advise you to write directly to Joan Juanola, from Catalonia, who > sent me the picturwes and was involved with the project. In any case, I'm > not too sure if Joan can read and answer in english language easily, and > if you need, I can relay your question to him in plain spanish. As I don't speak enough Spanish to do much more than order beer, and since I'm not ready to start building a Monocoque II righ tnow, I'll just keep this in mind as an option. Thanks. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:38:00 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport Swallowtail docs Message-ID: <200207130938.00158.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Saturday 13 July 2002 12:56 am, you wrote: > The machine is the second version of the Nieuport 2 - and is powered > by an 18hp Darracq. This was eventually developed into the 2N (with a > 28hp Nieuport engine) which severely embarrassed a 100hp Gnome powered > Bleriot in a race. Some of these were used as trainers during WW1. Thanks for the info, Mike, and for the 3Vs via email. They should help quite a bit, though now I'm a bit confused over the true dimensions of the aircraft. The detailed 3V you sent is sure different from the others. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:48:15 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: C&C question Message-ID: <012f01c22a73$f0135680$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Matt! > Without reading the text (I will in a little bit) there are color > plates that show *both* black *and* red fuselage bands. The > black band is dated Feb. 1918 (Phonix D.I), the red band dated > Nov. 1918 (Phonix D.IIa). That's obvious. Flik60j was disbanded after death of its commander Frank Linke-Crawford in July 1918. Pilots and planes were moved to other fliks, for example 14j which had for sure red bands, so the bands were probaly repainted in red (but letters remained unchanged) - the same plane can have black (earlier) and red (later) band (for example "R" Rodlauer's Phonix), and I think it's the source of confusion. > (should I add this to your package, G?). If it isn't a problem, yes, of course, but priority is the O'Connor's serie about AH painting. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:57:31 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Bored at Work? Message-ID: <013501c22a75$3b5a2960$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Not much room for bombs and I don't think that a Pitts During SCW many small planes were used as bombers, for example Moths, Miles Six, or Beech Staggerwing, and also bigger ones, like DC-2. To come back OT, many fighters were used as bombers in Poland in 1919-20, the most unusual is Fokker D.VII I think. It was equiped with racks like Camels. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:07:07 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Bored at Work? Message-ID: <014b01c22a76$92f914a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> And even planes which were out of ammo strafed Budionny's cavalry, with great effects! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:20:14 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: C&C question Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:43:18 -0400 (EDT), Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > That's obvious. Flik60j was disbanded after death of its commander Frank > Linke-Crawford in July 1918. Pilots and planes were moved to other fliks, > for example 14j which had for sure red bands, so the bands were probaly > repainted in red (but letters remained unchanged) - the same plane can have > black (earlier) and red (later) band (for example "R" Rodlauer's Phonix), > and I think it's the source of confusion. Ah! Obvious to you, but not to me. ;-) Ask me about French stuff... ;-) So, I read the text. *Nothing* about markings, only about - primarily - Gruber and Teichmann. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:40:45 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: LVG C.VI Rib Tapes Message-ID: <004f01c22a7b$4569c9a0$bda272d4@FRITZweb> Be careful with the Shuttleworth rip tapes , their position and their colour. I have done recent research on this theme. In the Hannover Laatzen aircraft museum there is a horizontal stabilizer, formerly named 'Albatros D V'. This stabilizer belongs to a LVG C. VI. The rip tabes are CDL. On the stabilizer not all rip positions are taped. Two tapes on each half of the stab. and only one tape on each side of the rudder. The Shuttleworth LVG has a wrong 'standard' version of pale blue tapes over all ribs. Take a look on orginal photos, the Datafile 17 has sufficient material. 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Mike hauled out a boxful of AEG photos, hex diagrams and a strip of original fabric that appeared to have a hand lettered serial. Unfortunately our trip was shortened by time contraints and to torture us, as we were going out the door, Mike announced he had three boxes of Fokker DVII material in the back! Arrrrrgh! ( Mike, I checked out the FE4 in the late J.M. Bruce's British Aeroplanes 1914-1918 and Paul Hare's Royal Aircraft Factory. A strange bird indeed, like a pusher DH10 with a Vimy tail! Hare's book has a 3-view. There's also an FE6 and 7 ) Marcio is currently at large in Toronto. As we approached the city limits a sudden halt was called to the weeks-old municipal strike and work began immediately to clear the mountains of garbage from the streets, public pools re-opened, museum and gallery workers returned to their jobs. I'm listening to the local news hourly to see what he accomplishes next! Once again thanks to Al for making it all possible. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:16:09 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Cc: "Diego Fernetti" Subject: Re: WWI dioramas Message-ID: <003001c22a99$5ddb2100$b54d39cc@mesystem> Michael, Thank you for your kind thought that I was well off to a sufficiency that I could donate a Nieuport to anyone. I am a retired USAF Sgt. Weather forecaster but I willing accept donations in $100, 000 increraments so I have enough to pay the taxes. A hobby has been taking photographs since I was 7 years old only 70 years ago. I do manage to get a good one now and then. As long as I can remember I have had a love of things that fly including birds and butterflies. But planes have had top billing since my uncle got a JN4D in 1928 and I got to ride in it at 5 years old in 1930. He learned to fly during WW I. when he was in the Signal Corps at Omaha, Neb. Michael. I hope you like the Jenny I sent. It was taken in May. A little bigger than I usually send out but suitable for making a print of 4 X 6 or a bit bigger. I have done it at 8 X 10. but it depends on your peinter. Lee M. Thanks for the comments Diego. Think of you and the Penguins almost every day. Take care of Wendy. L.M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kendix" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI dioramas > Diego/Lee: > > Yes, I think I understand now. I misunderstood prior - I thought Lee was > saying that the museum owned a couple of WW1 planes that he'd rennovated and > donated, which would have been very generous of him but besides the point:). > Now I understand. > > Michael > > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > >I have seen the pictures that Lee mentions and he generously shared >to > >..[snip] > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:24:16 -0400 From: "iban" To: Subject: Re: Monocouque II Message-ID: <00fa01c22a9a$8096eca0$0bd9fea9@eis> oh man, that's sweet!! i've never seen anything like it! what an interesting turtledeck arrangement. do you think the high cockpit/low fuselage layout was to get clearance for as big a prop as possible? or was there some other reason? ok, who's going to scratch it first? any idea if there are drawings or plans available? thanks, diego! iban. > Here it is Iban > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Spa/Monocoque/index.html > D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:28:18 -0400 From: "iban" To: Subject: Re: Monocouque II Message-ID: <010201c22a9b$10042600$0bd9fea9@eis> i speak enough spanish (tho with a decidedly caribean accent) that i think i'll give it a try. i'll keep you posted larry. diego, thanks again. iban. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Marshall" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Monocouque II > > > I would advise you to write directly to Joan Juanola, from Catalonia, who > > sent me the picturwes and was involved with the project. In any case, I'm > > not too sure if Joan can read and answer in english language easily, and > > if you need, I can relay your question to him in plain spanish. > > As I don't speak enough Spanish to do much more than order beer, and since > I'm not ready to start building a Monocoque II righ tnow, I'll just keep > this in mind as an option. Thanks. > > Cheers --- Larry > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4529 **********************