WWI Digest 4507 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: submission criteria question by "Diego Fernetti" 2) Re: VA Beach list.feast, was mysterious gap by tbittners@sprintmail.com 3) Re: Another Czech website about Austrians and Germans - Great one! by Karen Rychlewski 4) Re: cure for AMS/modeler's block by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 5) Re: cure for AMS/modeler's block by Karen Rychlewski 6) Re: mysterious gap by PetersList@aol.com 7) Re: VA Beach list.feast, by "Brian Nicklas" 8) Eduard at the Nats by tbittners@sprintmail.com 9) Re: Eduard at the Nats by Ray_Boorman@telus.net 10) Re: Stark's Paintings by "Hans Trauner" 11) Re: Stark's Paintings by "Brent Theobald" 12) RE: Cross and Cockade International by "Lee M." 13) Re: Stark's Paintings by "Lance Krieg" 14) Re: Stark's Paintings by "Hans Trauner" 15) re: submission criteria question by Jan Vihonen 16) Unsub for few days by Eric GALLAUD 17) re: submission criteria question by Allan Wright 18) re: submission criteria question by Allan Wright 19) re: submission criteria question by "Dave Burke" 20) re: submission criteria question by Allan Wright 21) Re: VA Beach list.feast, was mysterious gap by Steven Perry 22) Re: Eduard at the Nats by Steven Perry 23) re: submission criteria question by Steven Perry 24) re: submission criteria question by Larry Marshall 25) re: submission criteria question by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: VA Beach list.feast, was mysterious gap by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 27) re: submission criteria question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 28) re: submission criteria question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 29) re: submission criteria question by Larry Marshall 30) re: submission criteria question by Larry Marshall 31) re: submission criteria question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 32) Very funny thing on "The other forum" by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 33) re: submission criteria question by Steven Perry 34) Re: Another Czech website about Austrians and Germans - Great one! by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:52:50 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <00c201c221e8$e67a4fe0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Grzes! > You are too much interested in the Spads and German planes, so you can't > recognize Bleriot plane. Sure it was inspired by it. Amongst others. > Que significa "Hedilla"? It's the just the name of the designer. D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:56:50 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: VA Beach list.feast, was mysterious gap Message-ID: <20020702165650.D707E468EF@eclipse.qis.net> On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:50:00 -0400 (EDT), Karen Rychlewski wrote: >Plans are in progress for a repeat of the 'list feast' of last year's Chicago >Nats. Since we're at a beach, near an ocean, this time a seafood place has been >reconnoitered and selected for its willingness to accept our group ;-) >There will also be a special seminar to view and admire Lance's knees (he of >the unlimited shorts supply), Sanjeev's moustache (bring your own wax), and Tom >Morgan's surgically enhanced fingers--other attendees are encouraged to propose >other topics... Too bad I can't make it, or we could hold a seminar on "How Not to be Photographed". ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:55:00 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another Czech website about Austrians and Germans - Great one! Message-ID: <3D21DAE5.AC7FABF2@earthlink.net> Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > http://www.cmail.cz/zapp/katalog.htm Grzes, I get this: > You don't have permission to access /zapp/katalog.htm on this server. > > > Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.cmail.cz Port 80 > Forbidden again! Karen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:04:29 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: cure for AMS/modeler's block Message-ID: <016c01c221ea$87bd7700$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Grzegorz Mazurowski described his therapy for AMS modeler's block, to which I > reply: > Grzes, do you make house calls? > Karen Sure, and the therapy for list members is free, but caller pays for the trip. ;-) G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:12:20 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: cure for AMS/modeler's block Message-ID: <3D21DEF4.5519BCF6@earthlink.net> Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > > Grzegorz Mazurowski described his therapy for AMS modeler's block, to > which I reply: > > Grzes, do you make house calls? > > Karen > > Sure, and the therapy for list members is free, but caller pays for the > trip. Hah! I knew there was a catch... Karen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:31:25 EDT From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: mysterious gap Message-ID: <4b.1f979d01.2a533d6d@aol.com> It's the well documented "lost time" phenomina.The entire list was abducted by aliens ;) cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:37:11 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: VA Beach list.feast, Message-ID: Too bad I can't make it, or we could hold a seminar on "How Not to be Photographed". ;-) Matt Bittner *chuckle* - WAIT for it Matt, we might do a little somethin' without you.... Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:03:07 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Eduard at the Nats Message-ID: <20020702180307.4E211468EF@eclipse.qis.net> Turns out Colin Adair should be at the US Nats at the end of the month. What I want everyone to do is go up to him and tell him we *need* Eduard to release a 1/72nd Nieuport 17. Also tell him we *need* SPAD 7 and 13s in both scales. Maybe then... ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:23:46 -0700 From: Ray_Boorman@telus.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard at the Nats Message-ID: <3D218D42.13165.6E47BC@localhost> Can someone suggest a Nieuport 10/11 and 28 in 1/72 as well. Yes I know Toko/EE do an 11, I'm building it. Just had to resand the wings again since the weird fabric effect was way to pronounced through the paint ;( Hrmmm come to think of it, if they do Spads can we have an 11/16 as well. Ray On 2 Jul 2002 at 14:07, tbittners@sprintmail.com wrote: > Turns out Colin Adair should be at the US Nats at the end of the month. What I want everyone to do is go up to him and tell him we *need* Eduard to release a 1/72nd Nieuport 17. > > Also tell him we *need* SPAD 7 and 13s in both scales. > > Maybe then... ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:39:52 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Stark's Paintings Message-ID: <006d01c221f7$dadc3ae0$eda272d4@FRITZweb> Diego said it already, it was me. The file stark1e.jpg shows a D VII. It's Stark's D VII, the OAW Fokker with lilac bands. Only he was using this colour. And there is the leader's pennant flying from the tail. And I guess that Rudolf knew what he was flying. But maybe Munson did not. Hans BTW: Lilac was the colour of Stark's first ulan unit. 2hd Bavarian Uhlan piping was Crimson (lilac). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:44:03 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stark's Paintings Message-ID: Howdy! My apologies Hans for forgetting it was you who sent these pictures. I really do enjoy them! I figured the painting was *supposed* to be Stark's D.VII, but looking at it today made me think it sure looked like a D.VI. I still think it does. Oh well, I was hoping for a unique, non-lozenged D.VI. Have a good one! Brent >From: "Hans Trauner" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Stark's Paintings >Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:35:36 -0400 (EDT) > >Diego said it already, it was me. The file stark1e.jpg shows a D VII. It's >Stark's D VII, the OAW Fokker with lilac bands. Only he was using this >colour. And there is the leader's pennant flying from the tail. And I guess >that Rudolf knew what he was flying. But maybe Munson did not. > >Hans >BTW: Lilac was the colour of Stark's first ulan unit. 2hd Bavarian Uhlan >piping was Crimson (lilac). _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:49:22 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: RE: Cross and Cockade International Message-ID: <006901c221f9$2efb7540$844d39cc@mesystem> After being an Infantry Machine Gunner in WW II, I can not find much sympathy for the persons aboard Naval Vessels. Unless their 24 hour days were, longer than mine. We were attacked day and night every day and when it was not to overly active we went after them. During most times, on our almost peaceful night time interludes, they flew "Midnight Charlie" with his engines out of "sync" so they kind of pulsed in a very noisy manner. Then they dropped bombs at random intervals so we could really enjoy our time of rest. That must be really tough "mental torture" thinking about maybe being attacked... We could often see the enemy just a short distance away.. I guess we just got use to it... When they attacked with hundreds of Artillery pieces, I guess, we just never thought much about it It sometimes went on for hours on ending. Sorry fellas, but, things were tough all over. I actually found "real" bullets flying thru the air more difficult to handle then "Mental Anguish". Must admit I had quite a bit of that too... Life expectancy of an Infantry machine gunner was 4 minutes of firing time. I had more than that in one day during the battle of the Bulge. Heavy, water cooled, machine gun carried on my back also was a bit trying. Wish I could of left it on the rail of a ship. Sorry, if this bothers anyone..... I just felt "crabby" after reading the message. Must be old age.... And some very sad memories.... Lee M. H. Company 395 Infantry Reg't. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Cross and Cockade International > I once read a book by a destroyer captain in the second unplasantness and it > may have been better in account of food and cleanness than the trenches, but > it was a mental torture the stress of fighting aboard a ship, and duty was > 24 hrs. a day, 7 days a week! > D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Gourdie > > I would imagine anyone involved in the events of 1914-1918, whether on the > > ground or in the air, and on all sides, would have been pretty joyless > most > > of the time. I wonder if, by and large, naval people, ie actual sailors, > > had a slightly better time of it? I suppose not when you think of the > joys > > of Jutland or working in a submarine... > > > > Tom > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:02:56 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Stark's Paintings Message-ID: The cover of the latest CCI is a new one on me; the view over the D.VII's Spandau guns at a Camel, desparately twisting in an attempt to get out of the line of fire. The pilot of the Camel is right in the middle of the sight picture... A better painting, IMHO, than the more prosaic views of dogfights and strafing missions, and even more compelling because we KNOW that the painter been in that seat. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:14:27 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Stark's Paintings Message-ID: <001701c221fc$af4f9a20$bba172d4@FRITZweb> Yeah, Brent, the proportions are very close to a D VI, really! But Stark painted his own aircraft. H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Theobald" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:45 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Stark's Paintings > Howdy! > > My apologies Hans for forgetting it was you who sent these pictures. I > really do enjoy them! > > I figured the painting was *supposed* to be Stark's D.VII, but looking at it > today made me think it sure looked like a D.VI. I still think it does. Oh > well, I was hoping for a unique, non-lozenged D.VI. > > Have a good one! > > Brent > > > >From: "Hans Trauner" > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Re: Stark's Paintings > >Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:35:36 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Diego said it already, it was me. The file stark1e.jpg shows a D VII. It's > >Stark's D VII, the OAW Fokker with lilac bands. Only he was using this > >colour. And there is the leader's pennant flying from the tail. And I guess > >that Rudolf knew what he was flying. But maybe Munson did not. > > > >Hans > >BTW: Lilac was the colour of Stark's first ulan unit. 2hd Bavarian Uhlan > >piping was Crimson (lilac). > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:54:59 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <3D220513.5060808@helsinki.fi> >> Should it be included in the image gallery of the website of it is >>considered irrelevant for our purposes? >> > > At least we have a Thulin on our website. But Thulin was used in a conflict in 1918 where there were Germans fighting on the other side and Russians on the other. And Finns on both... So Thulin is practically OT. ;-) Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:54:23 +0200 From: Eric GALLAUD To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Unsub for few days Message-ID: <3D2204EF.EA805016@club-internet.fr> Hello all, I will unsub tomorrow morning for a few days. I will go to the south of France until the middle of next week for holidays. See you soon Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:57:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <200207021957.PAA11194@mustang.sr.unh.edu> I missed the front of this thread, but here's my take on what's on-topic: All vehicles used in training, combat, observation or transportation during world war I, including those in wars after WWI if they are aircraft that saw use in WWI (ex: armored vehicles in the Russo-Polish conflicts) and any figures of soldiers in WWI uniforms or settings. So, a Fokker D-VII in Polish markings for Russo-Polish war is OK, but inter-war aircraft that didn't see service in WWI are not. I hope that helps, Allan Wright - List and website administrator > > > >> Should it be included in the image gallery of the website of it is > >>considered irrelevant for our purposes? > >> > > > > At least we have a Thulin on our website. > > > But Thulin was used in a conflict in 1918 where there were Germans > fighting on the other side and Russians on the other. And Finns on both... > > So Thulin is practically OT. ;-) > > Jan > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <200207022001.QAA11596@mustang.sr.unh.edu> OOps - read "if they are aircraft that" as "if they are vehicles that" > > I missed the front of this thread, but here's my take on what's on-topic: > > All vehicles used in training, combat, observation or transportation during > world war I, including those in wars after WWI if they are aircraft that > saw use in WWI (ex: armored vehicles in the Russo-Polish conflicts) and any > figures of soldiers in WWI uniforms or settings. > > So, a Fokker D-VII in Polish markings for Russo-Polish war is OK, but > inter-war aircraft that didn't see service in WWI are not. > > I hope that helps, > Allan Wright - List and website administrator > > > > > > > >> Should it be included in the image gallery of the website of it is > > >>considered irrelevant for our purposes? > > >> > > > > > > At least we have a Thulin on our website. > > > > > > But Thulin was used in a conflict in 1918 where there were Germans > > fighting on the other side and Russians on the other. And Finns on both... > > > > So Thulin is practically OT. ;-) > > > > Jan > > > > > > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org > =============================================================================== > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:24:37 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <002101c22206$7df2af80$4f96aec7@s0024008072> What about pre-war aircraft? I know that a Bleriot 11 is OT, but what about a Bleriot 14bis? Or some of Farman's earlier designs? I mean, I am not determined to go all the way back to the Wright Flyer, but how about the Curtiss biplanes? Combat aircraft that were not used in theater, but were used to prove the feasibility of mounting machine guns, proving strafing and aerial bombing, etc? Not that I am compaining about this being a constricting Site - obviously there would be plenty to talk about if we only limited ourselves to a single year of the War!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <200207022019.QAA11574@mustang.sr.unh.edu> I'm a little more forgiving with pre-war items than I am for inter-war. Wright flyers aside, Curtis, Bleriot and Farman precursors to WWI planes are fine. Like the famous quote about pornography: I can't tell you what off-topic is, but I know it when I see it. Al > > What about pre-war aircraft? I know that a Bleriot 11 is OT, but what about > a Bleriot 14bis? Or some of Farman's earlier designs? I mean, I am not > determined to go all the way back to the Wright Flyer, but how about the > Curtiss biplanes? Combat aircraft that were not used in theater, but were > used to prove the feasibility of mounting machine guns, proving strafing and > aerial bombing, etc? > > Not that I am compaining about this being a constricting Site - > obviously there would be plenty to talk about if we only limited ourselves > to a single year of the War!! > > > DB > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:27:21 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: VA Beach list.feast, was mysterious gap Message-ID: <3D220CA9.8060907@tampabay.rr.com> > Too bad I can't make it, or we could hold a seminar on "How Not to be Photographed". ;-) > > > Matt Bittner OK. Diego, you are hereby authorized to sketch a charicature of Matt for the Rogues Gallery. In lieu of photographic references, full artistic license applies. Dict Ira at it's best ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:30:10 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard at the Nats Message-ID: <3D220D52.2050905@tampabay.rr.com> tbittners@sprintmail.com wrote: > Turns out Colin Adair should be at the US Nats at the end of the month. What I want everyone to do is go up to him and tell him we *need* Eduard to release a 1/72nd Nieuport 17. > > Also tell him we *need* SPAD 7 and 13s in both scales. > > Maybe then... ;-) And don't forget to say "THANKS" for all the great kits they've already released. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:46:52 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <3D22113C.2000309@tampabay.rr.com> The IRAS used Farman 4s as primary trainers. Curtiss Triads served with the Russian Navy. Both during WWI. sp Dave Burke wrote: > What about pre-war aircraft? I know that a Bleriot 11 is OT, but what about > a Bleriot 14bis? Or some of Farman's earlier designs? I mean, I am not > determined to go all the way back to the Wright Flyer, but how about the > Curtiss biplanes? Combat aircraft that were not used in theater, but were > used to prove the feasibility of mounting machine guns, proving strafing and > aerial bombing, etc? > > Not that I am compaining about this being a constricting Site - > obviously there would be plenty to talk about if we only limited ourselves > to a single year of the War!! > > > DB > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:25:16 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <200207021725.16642.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Tuesday 02 July 2002 04:49 pm, you wrote: > The IRAS used Farman 4s as primary trainers. Curtiss Triads served with > the Russian Navy. Both during WWI. > sp Speaking of IRAS, I've got a question. The Toko N16 kit says the IRAS version is supposed to be painted aluminum. It seems to me that the IRAS painted such aircraft gray if they painted them at all. Do you have any info on this? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:37:48 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:27:16 -0400 (EDT), Larry Marshall wrote: > Speaking of IRAS, I've got a question. The Toko N16 kit says the IRAS > version is supposed to be painted aluminum. It seems to me that the IRAS > painted such aircraft gray if they painted them at all. Do you have any > info on this? *IF* the Nie.16 was French, then it could be any valid French scheme (but *not* aluminum doped - unless you have photographic evidence; aluminum doped Nie.16s were extremely rare). However, if it was DUX built, then chances are it could be greyish, as the Russian linen was awfully grey. Or it could be just about anything else, if it was painted at the squadron. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:06:14 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: VA Beach list.feast, was mysterious gap Message-ID: <01ae01c22214$af1e8b20$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > OK. Diego, you are hereby authorized to sketch a charicature of Matt for > the Rogues Gallery. In lieu of photographic references, full artistic > license applies. Dict Ira at it's best ;-) > sp Yes!!!!!! And paint his face yellow! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:08:56 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <01c001c22215$0f3cdde0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > *IF* the Nie.16 was French, then it could be any valid French > scheme (but *not* aluminum doped - unless you have photographic > evidence; aluminum doped Nie.16s were extremely rare). However, > if it was DUX built, then chances are it could be greyish, as the > Russian linen was awfully grey. Goworek states that DUX painted some Nieuports in aluminium, but also Russian aluminium was awfully grey. G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:11:03 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <01d401c22215$5b61f840$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > But Thulin was used in a conflict in 1918 where there were Germans > fighting on the other side and Russians on the other. And Finns on both... THIS Thulin? http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Various/Thulin/index.html I think you mean Morane-like Thulin. Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:45:09 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <200207021845.09315.larrym@sympatico.ca> > *IF* the Nie.16 was French, then it could be any valid French > scheme (but *not* aluminum doped - unless you have photographic > evidence; aluminum doped Nie.16s were extremely rare). However, Ah ha...another, related topic. John Ernst was telling me that Eduard's 1/48 N11 kit shows Guynerer's N11 is supposed to be aluminum. That seems odd to me as his Vieux Charles was, I thought, CDL. Your opinion? > if it was DUX built, then chances are it could be greyish, as the > Russian linen was awfully grey. I'd forgotten about those purchased from the French and was just thinking of the DUX issues. Still, it seems that the choices are CDL or gray for an IRAS N11. > Or it could be just about anything else, if it was painted at the > squadron. ;-) How about red [gd&r] Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:30 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <200207021846.30907.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Goworek states that DUX painted some Nieuports in aluminium, but also ^^^^^^ Who is this, Grzegorz? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:57:43 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <020d01c2221b$dffc23e0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > > Goworek Professor Tomasz Goworek, nuclear physicist and amateur WWI aviation historian, wrote in '80s two excellent books (in Polish) "WWI Fighters" (the best book about WWI aviation for beginners - not only for beginners - I've ever seen), which is not an "Atlas of planes" but fascinating story which covers both history and technological development, and "First Fighters of the Polish AF" - in fact hard cover monography of the 4 planes, Ansaldo Balilla, Oeffag D.III, Fokker D.VII and SPADs VII-XIII with interesting photos, lots of painting schemes and detailed drawings. As in the first book the most important thing is the text, it is not very usefull for those who don't speak Polish (but it contains many drowings and colour profiles) but the second book is great reference even for nonPolish speakers/readers. If you are interested, I can organize it for you. Cheers! Grzegorz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:13:54 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Very funny thing on "The other forum" Message-ID: <021f01c2221e$22c208a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Look here: http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=models&action=display&num=1 024668081 I've wrote to this guy and asked him to join our list. But he is from Venezuela so Diego or Martin can write to him in Spanish too. G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:52:36 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: submission criteria question Message-ID: <3D223CC4.4030700@tampabay.rr.com> > Speaking of IRAS, I've got a question. The Toko N16 kit says the IRAS > version is supposed to be painted aluminum. It seems to me that the IRAS > painted such aircraft gray if they painted them at all. Do you have any > info on this? > > Cheers --- Larry Looking in the FMP book and Red Stars 3, it appears that Dux built 11s tended to be CDL, in this case a dark and often uneven gray in B&W photos. The Dux built 16's were painted a grayish aluminum...or was it an aluminish gray, something in that range. The B&W photos show a more even and consistent tone. Glancing through the photos it seems that this may have been the break point as earlier Dux machines of various types seem to be CDL and later designs tend toward the painted finish sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:31:49 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Another Czech website about Austrians and Germans - Great one! Message-ID: <000f01c22229$05b13be0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > > http://www.cmail.cz/zapp/katalog.htm > > Grzes, I get this: > > > You don't have permission to access /zapp/katalog.htm on this server. I see. Me too... Yesterday it worked. Pity. G. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4507 **********************