WWI Digest 4501 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Presentation Aircraft by "Diego Fernetti" 2) Re: Doped linen in Tamiya by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 3) Re: Presentation Aircraft by "Pedro N. Soares" 4) RE: Presentation Aircraft by "NEIL EDDY" 5) Re: Presentation Aircraft by "NEIL EDDY" 6) Modelling Report by "NEIL EDDY" 7) Re: Modelling Report by Tom Plesha 8) Top Legend Technology by info@toplegend.com.hk 9) Re: Berthier. was:Gun accessories by ssh 10) Re: Berthier. was:Gun accessories by "Richard Bilak" 11) Re: Berthier. was:Gun accessories by "Harris, Mack" 12) Re: Presentation Aircraft by "Dave Burke" 13) Revell Fok DVII help by knuterha@eunet.no 14) Re: Revell Fok DVII help by "D. Charles" 15) A Disaster Beyond Belief... by "Dave Burke" 16) New gallery page by "Matt Bittner" 17) RE: Presentation Aircraft by GRBroman@aol.com 18) Modelling report, Part IA by GRBroman@aol.com 19) Re: Modelling Report, part I B by GRBroman@aol.com 20) Modelling Report Part IC by GRBroman@aol.com 21) Re: Modelling Report, part I D by GRBroman@aol.com 22) Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY - moved and DSL by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: A Disaster Beyond Belief... by Steven Perry 24) Re: Modelling report, Part IA by "Mike Muth" 25) RE: New Update by "Dale Sebring" 26) Re: Presentation Aircraft by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:09:31 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Presentation Aircraft Message-ID: <018201c21eb5$ce42e6c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Knut wrote: > Having been to Sri Lanka a few years ago, I believe it could be a reference > to the paddy fields for growing rice, but the phrase sounds like the plane > is expected to splash land in one of them Most certainly it describes some sort of bird from Ceylon then! Poor paddy birds, they must not have been very beautiful, if they named a 'arry tate after them! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:20:45 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Doped linen in Tamiya Message-ID: <71EA257E03C4D511B8ED00065B04BF940136D0BE@ITCREX001> Andy: They have three choices that look close on my monitor using the Squadron.com web catalog. Unfortunately, I haven't seen them on the rack lately, so it'll be up to you to check them out before buying. Desert Yellow looks the closest to what I use for French CDL. There's also a Buff listed, but it looks too dark on the computer screen. Sky looks close to me, too - especially for British CDL - but I'm red/green color perception challenged. I've always heard Sky had a greenish tint, but I've never seen it (the greenish tint). You ought to try Ceramcoat, which is what I use. There's a wide variety of paints that can be used to simulate the wide variety of CDLs: Straw, Old Parchment, Ivory, Antique White. There's a couple more but that's all I could remember off the top of my head. Marc Flake ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Watson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: [WWI] Doped linen in Tamiya? > Hi, > I tried searching the old digests first, but couldn't > seem to dig up an answer...so does anyone know a good > equivalent for doped linen using tamiya acrylics. > Thanks, > Andy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:12:50 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Presentation Aircraft Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301C89684@TUFAO> V.S.Yeates in Winged Victory > mentions his Camel as having a yellow cowling, No, no Neil, Everybody knows that the yellow Cowling was Voss's..... Pedro (Hidding underneath his table) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:48:34 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: RE: Presentation Aircraft Message-ID: <013701c21ec3$a52c6000$778186cb@default> Hi All; Hmm...the more I learn about presentation aircraft, the more it sounds like Dicta Ira. from what you say Volker, there was an attempt to standardise inscription placement after 7th August 1918; so prior to this placement may have been up to the person placing the inscription - my 1917 Pup has it under the cockpit - as I only have a photograph showing the port side, I think I would be guessing if I went for an inscription on both sides...its a difficult choice! Also Hyderbad No. 12a is one of the marking choices of the 1/72 Marquette DH-9a. All the Best South Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Haeusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Presentation Aircraft > > To quote from Cross & Cockade vol14 no 2 (a volume *exclusively* dealing > with 1914-1918 presentation aircraft, over something like 50 pages): > "Despite an exhaustive search of documents on file at the PRO, it has not > been possible to discover if any official instructions were issued to > aircraft manufacturers and aircraft parks on the paining style and location > of presentation names. From photographs it appears that at least 5 different > styles were used, and the location could be anywhere from the aircraft愀 > nose to teh rear fuselage area. In a letter from the Deputy of aircraft > equipment to all RAF areas in the UK dated 7 August 1918, instructions were > issued taht all machines presented by individuals should be painted on teh > fuselage side, while machines donated by UK towns and Army units should be > inscribed on the engine cowling." The article goes on to describe the > marking "behaviour" on different aircraft types (ie, manufacturersor > aircraft parks, I would guess), noting at least some instances of sintgle > side marking only. However, while I did not find a single aircraft amongst > those depicted in the CC (I) article that is shown from both sides, the > variations shows clearly that at least *some*, but actually most probably > the mayority must have carried the markings on both sides. > > Brings me to two final questions: > > 1. Anybody knows of of a photo of DH 4 A 7452 "Malaya No 24/The Penang No > 1", the second aircraft marked like that (the first was an FE 2B), and flown > by 57 and 55 Sq. Living on Penang island, I悲 really like to build that > aircraft > > 2. Airco DH 9A F 1010 "Hyderabad No 12A" (So named to avoid No 13!). This > aircraft was shot down on a raid on Kaiserslautern (where I was born adn > spent the better part of my early years) on 5.10.1918. That愀 the aircraft > in the RAF Museum. I udnerstand this aircaraft was in the Deutsche > Luftfahrtsammlung, and came back to England via Poland - so is this the > original? And: Does anybody know whether the aircraft is shown in it愀 > correct markings in the Mueeum (and this one carries the presentation name > on BOTH sides)? Any original photos of this a/c before capture? > > Volker > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:57:22 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Presentation Aircraft Message-ID: <014001c21ec4$df8edba0$778186cb@default> > I'm no expert but I think there's good operational reasons for trainers to > stand out. > Michael Michael; IRC, Cobby painted his Camel all white after a near miss with a pupil during his period as an instructor in 1918. I have read somewhere that the primary reason for colourful aircraft for instructors was quick recognition of instructors in the air and for high visibility to avoid mid air collisions... Also Home Defence Squadrons had some leeway re colour schemes and nicknames - I think more because they were away from regular scrutiny from the 'brass' rather than official policy - leastways thats what Gould-Lee says. All the Best Neil the Southern _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:13:30 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Modelling Report Message-ID: <017001c21ec7$206f85a0$778186cb@default> Hi All; I don't normally do this but after a nightmarish period where it felt like I belonged to the 'Chimpanzee School of Modelling', I have had a long session with the plastic where NOTHING went wrong. I built a floor for my Pup, a control column with yoke, revamped the seat somewhat, added some extra woodwork inside the cockpit, made a bulkhead that actually fits properly, and started work on the instrument panel. I painted the interior a dirty CDL colour, washed all the formers and stringers, painted the floor and wooden bits, M.M. Wood with a burnt umber wash, then Tami Clear Orange overcoat, and then finished for the night well satisfied. For once everything worked out well. Still a bit of work to do on the interior - rudder bar, oil pump, rudder linkages, seat belts, instruments, aviation clock and crash bar, but if I'm lucky I'll get them done tomorrow. I think that this has been my most satisfying modelling session for at least four months. All the Best Neil Southern Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Modelling Report Message-ID: <20020628171834.47361.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Glad to hear its going well, keep at it. Thanks for the update, keep posting progress. Later Tom --- NEIL EDDY wrote: > Hi All; > > I don't normally do this but after a nightmarish > period where it felt like I > belonged to the 'Chimpanzee School of Modelling', I > have had a long session > with the plastic where NOTHING went wrong. > > I built a floor for my Pup, a control column with > yoke, revamped the seat > somewhat, added some extra woodwork inside the > cockpit, made a bulkhead that > actually fits properly, and started work on the > instrument panel. I painted > the interior a dirty CDL colour, washed all the > formers and stringers, > painted the floor and wooden bits, M.M. Wood with a > burnt umber wash, then > Tami Clear Orange overcoat, and then finished for > the night well satisfied. > For once everything worked out well. > > Still a bit of work to do on the interior - rudder > bar, oil pump, rudder > linkages, seat belts, instruments, aviation clock > and crash bar, but if I'm > lucky I'll get them done tomorrow. > > I think that this has been my most satisfying > modelling session for at least > four months. > > All the Best > > Neil Southern Chapter > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: info@toplegend.com.hk To: info@toplegend.com.hk Subject: Top Legend Technology Message-ID: http://www.toplegend.com.hk Top Legend Technology 致 力 提 供 以 下 各 種 專 業 服 務 , 務 求 令 貴 公 司 達 到 資 源 增 值 及 減 輕 成 本 , 提 高 競 爭 力 。 服 務 包 括 : 區域網絡安裝 寬頻互聯網連接 網頁製作 硬件顧問服務 資料管理系統 網域名稱註冊 廣域網絡安裝 網絡安全 網頁寄存 軟件顧問服務 Linux 應用服務 技術支援服務 全 新 電 腦 軟 件 訂 購 如 有 任 何 查 詢 歡 迎 聯 絡 我 們 , 我 們 隨 時 為 閣 下 提 供 專 業 意 見 。 電話 : (852) 3106-0566 電 郵 : info@toplegend.com.hk 客 戶 服 務 : sales@toplegend.com.hk 技 術 支 援 :webmaster@toplegend.com.hk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:27:51 -0400 From: ssh To: Subject: Re: Berthier. was:Gun accessories Message-ID: <3D1C9FAB00004341@mta04.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Thanks to everybody for the 1:48 scale suggestions for the rifle. As far as I can tell from searching on the internet, the rifle shown in the photo of page 16 of the Morane-Saulnier Type L Datafile is a Berthier, probably a Berthier 1907 (or maybe 1892). Does anybody have a better identification of it? It definitely does not look like a Lebel, but I did see it referred as a "Lebel-Berthier" regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:53:37 -0800 From: "Richard Bilak" To: Subject: Re: Berthier. was:Gun accessories Message-ID: <02ae01c21ed5$1da95860$bd75ed18@bilak.micronet.net> Hi Sanjeev, Not having the Datafile that you refer to, but being a former military arms collector. I can make an educated guess. It probaly is a 1916 Mannlicher Berthier Carbine. If I had the picture I could give a positive ID. I have a couple of references. I would be more than willing to send you a scan. Regards, Rick Bilak -----Original Message----- From: ssh To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Berthier. was:Gun accessories >Thanks to everybody for the 1:48 scale suggestions for the rifle. >As far as I can tell from searching on the internet, the rifle shown >in the photo of page 16 of the Morane-Saulnier Type L Datafile is a >Berthier, probably a Berthier 1907 (or maybe 1892). Does anybody >have a better identification of it? It definitely does not look like >a Lebel, but I did see it referred as a "Lebel-Berthier" >regards >SSH > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:24:09 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Berthier. was:Gun accessories Message-ID: Sanjeev, just a couple of pics of the Mannlicher Berthier. http://www.rifleslings.com/French_Lebel_Sling.htm http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/armfrc.htm Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:24:50 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Presentation Aircraft Message-ID: <000b01c21ee1$dc69eec0$5e95aec7@s0024008072> > V.S.Yeates in Winged Victory > > mentions his Camel as having a yellow cowling, > > > No, no Neil, Everybody knows that the yellow Cowling was Voss's..... > > Pedro (Hidding underneath his table) > NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! DB (approaching the table with a bloody great axe...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:21:50 +0200 (CEST) From: knuterha@eunet.no To: Subject: Revell Fok DVII help Message-ID: <3653.193.214.111.226.1025299310.squirrel@webmail.kpnqwest.no> Hei, You might be able to get some info from the photos I sent to the lists homepage of a Hannover Cl.V which used the same engine. http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Hann_ClV/index.html Eders Knut Erik > Currently working on a long term rebuild of the 1/28 Fokker DVII ( > first sharpen your saw...) and I have a question about the BMW engine > that comes with the kit. > The kit engine has a row of spark plugs and harness running down each > side of the cylinders, but my few photos show BOTH plugs for each > cylinder on the left, port, side and the things on the right side are > not spark plugs. They are "Einspritz- u. Entkompressionsventile" > which my limited translating skills have changed to "Injection and > pressure relief valves". Does anyone know their purpose? > Can anyone point me to decent BMW pictures showing harnesses and > accessories? > > David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:04:03 +1000 From: "D. Charles" To: Subject: Re: Revell Fok DVII help Message-ID: <00a201c21eef$b7d7b7a0$6f3832d2@charles> Thanks Knut Erik, Good pics of the top end there. Very helpful. So, what is the purpose of the Einspritz- u. Entkompressionsventile? David > You might be able to get some info from the photos I sent to the > lists homepage of a Hannover Cl.V which used the same engine. > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Hann_ClV/index.html > > Eders > Knut Erik > > > > Currently working on a long term rebuild of the 1/28 Fokker DVII ( > > first sharpen your saw...) and I have a question about the BMW engine > > that comes with the kit. > > The kit engine has a row of spark plugs and harness running down each > > side of the cylinders, but my few photos show BOTH plugs for each > > cylinder on the left, port, side and the things on the right side are > > not spark plugs. They are "Einspritz- u. Entkompressionsventile" > > which my limited translating skills have changed to "Injection and > > pressure relief valves". Does anyone know their purpose? > > Can anyone point me to decent BMW pictures showing harnesses and > > accessories? > > David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:50:27 -0500 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: A Disaster Beyond Belief... Message-ID: <000d01c21f06$f7411e60$e0ea79a5@s0024008072> Hey Kids, Y'know how there are frequently posts where one of the Listees has done something that he/she considers boneheaded and it fouls up a model? Well, I nominate myself to be the new King Imbecile - not so much for my general personality, but for what I just did.... I am cleaning up my house. This is a major undertaking and it must be done as I want to fumigate my house for fleas. My cats are long-haired, and they get full of them. Plus, it has been a good while since the place had a good once-over. I have gathered up the plastic, the paints, the glue, and other assorted crap from the living room. My coffee table miraculously appeared under a pile of projects. I put some partially done stuff in a model case to keep them safe as I move things about. Dwelling in the same case is my partially-assembled JGMT SPAD VII, which was once fully assembled, but was somewhat undone as a result of my move to Auburn. A nice model, though pricey due to its scarcity. It is one of my all-time favorite resin kits. One problem though: the lower wings were a bit warped, but this could be solved by warming them just before adding the top wing. Unfortunately, the upper wing had come off and the wings were drooping. I couldn't resist - I bent the wafer-thin wing and ... Two large pieces of wing go flying. I felt like a dope - but that wasn't all. Oh no. Sure, it CA'd just fine, even where the splits ran through the roundel. No problem. And the warp was gone as a result of the breaks and it being re-glued. I counted the struts and all to make sure that I still had everything. No worries. Now it's time to put the maligned and abused bird back in the case, and by habit, I grab it by the wingtip. The wingtip that had but 15 minutes before been lying upon the floor. The CA held; or at least it held against gravity longer than it should have. It held to the piece of wing that was in my hand as I inhaled sharply. The SPAD splattered itself upon the hardwood floor - bits of plane migrating in all directions of the compass. I felt ill. I still do. So now I'm gonna e-mail Eduard and beg them to make a SPAD VII. The phoenix may be raised from the ashes, but it'll be some time after the Gotha is done. DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:45:37 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New gallery page Message-ID: Daniel Clamot - of the Aerodrome Forum - joins us by sending in his Belgian (!) SSW D.IV. Very nice! I'm now trying to convince Daniel to join our fraternity. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:01:30 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Presentation Aircraft Message-ID: <12c.13976b5c.2a4e60ea@aol.com> --part1_12c.13976b5c.2a4e60ea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/28/2002 6:37:10 AM Central Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > Yeah, I suspected that, but I was trying to visualize a more colorful paint > scheme for the airplane.... > D. > What about the SE5A presented by HM Prison Brixton. The large and colourful "Sod Off" in white on the aft fuselage was quite arresting. No pun intended, of course. balls in your court Diego! Glen --part1_12c.13976b5c.2a4e60ea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/28/2002 6:37:10 AM Central Standard Time, dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes:


Yeah, I suspected that, but I was trying to visualize a more colorful paint
scheme for the airplane....
D.


What about the SE5A presented by HM Prison Brixton.  The large and colourful "Sod Off" in white on the aft fuselage was quite arresting.  No pun intended, of course.  balls in your court Diego!
Glen
--part1_12c.13976b5c.2a4e60ea_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:50:16 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Modelling report, Part IA Message-ID: --part1_bf.227afd44.2a4e6c58_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit had to cut this up again because the original was too long :( In a message dated 6/28/2002 12:16:00 PM Central Standard Time, se5a@iprimus.com.au writes: > I don't normally do this but after a nightmarish period where it felt like I > belonged to the 'Chimpanzee School of Modeling,' I have had a long session > with the plastic where NOTHING went wrong. > > This reminds me of a story I heard from my Grandfather many years ago. It seems a young Canadian pilot was having a terrible time in flight school, he would crash on takeoff, crash on landing, slip and slide all over the sky and eventually wrecked do many aircraft in training that he became a German ace. The English, being severely short of pilots, eventually passed him from the flying school, largely it seems, as a self defense measure on the school commanders part as they were getting dreadfully short of trainers. Once at the front he continued his destructive ways, continually breaking aircraft on landing, if he managed to even get the crate off the ground. --part1_bf.227afd44.2a4e6c58_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit had to cut this up again because the original was too long :(


In a message dated 6/28/2002 12:16:00 PM Central Standard Time, se5a@iprimus.com.au writes:


I don't normally do this but after a nightmarish period where it felt like I
belonged to the 'Chimpanzee School of Modeling,' I have had a long session
with the plastic where NOTHING went wrong.



This reminds me of a story I heard from my Grandfather many years ago. It seems a young Canadian pilot was having a terrible time in flight school, he would crash on takeoff, crash on landing, slip and slide all over the sky and eventually wrecked do many aircraft in training that he became a German ace.  The English, being severely short of pilots, eventually passed him from the flying school, largely it seems, as a self defense measure on the school commanders part as they were getting dreadfully short of trainers.  Once at the front he continued his destructive ways, continually breaking aircraft on landing, if he managed to even get the crate off the ground.
--part1_bf.227afd44.2a4e6c58_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:51:02 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Modelling Report, part I B Message-ID: <15b.1025110e.2a4e6c86@aol.com> --part1_15b.1025110e.2a4e6c86_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/28/2002 8:27:46 PM Central Standard Time, GRBroman writes: > One day he flew completely through a bessonous (my spell checker choked on > this, BTW) hanger. This would have been regarded as an incredible feat of > flying skill had the doors been open at the time. One day he visited the > Squadron Padre, Father Diego, and told him was considering transferring to > the Royal Artillery. The thought being to horrible to contemplate, Father > Diego recommended he try something he picked up in his prewar travels, the > art of Zen flying. "you must think nothing but positive thoughts when you > fly, my son, and everything shall be okay." --part1_15b.1025110e.2a4e6c86_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/28/2002 8:27:46 PM Central Standard Time, GRBroman writes:


One day he flew completely through a bessonous (my spell checker choked on this, BTW) hanger.  This would have been regarded as an incredible feat of flying skill had the doors been open at the time.  One day he visited the Squadron Padre, Father Diego, and told him was considering transferring to the Royal Artillery.  The thought being to horrible to contemplate, Father Diego recommended he try something he picked up in his prewar travels, the art of Zen flying.  "you must think nothing but positive thoughts when you fly, my son, and everything shall be okay."


--part1_15b.1025110e.2a4e6c86_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:53:33 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Modelling Report Part IC Message-ID: <2b.295baa2f.2a4e6d1d@aol.com> --part1_2b.295baa2f.2a4e6d1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So our young hero fills his head with positive thoughts and heads to the flight line. He runs through preflight and takes off. A perfect, text book takeoff. He flies over the lines in perfect formation and then spots a flight a brightly colored Huns below him. Kicking the plane's nose over he dives and comes down on the 6 of a green streaked DR.I with a bright yellow cowl. Squeezing the trigger, his first burst sends it down in flames, he sideslips behind an Albatross and his second burst sends it down spinning out of control. In a matter of moments he has destroyed all but one aircraft, a red Fokker flown by the squadron leader. Our young here flies like he has never flown before and eventually wings the German pilot in the head, sending him running for his base --part1_2b.295baa2f.2a4e6d1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So our young hero fills his head with positive thoughts and heads to the flight line.  He runs through preflight and takes off.  A perfect, text book takeoff.  He flies over the lines in perfect formation and then spots a flight a brightly colored Huns below him.  Kicking the plane's nose over he dives and comes down on the 6 of a green streaked DR.I with a bright yellow cowl.  Squeezing the trigger, his first burst sends it down in flames, he sideslips behind an Albatross and his second burst sends it down spinning out of control.  In a matter of moments he has destroyed all but one aircraft, a red Fokker flown by the squadron leader.  Our young here flies like he has never flown before and eventually wings the German pilot in the head, sending him running for his base --part1_2b.295baa2f.2a4e6d1d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:54:31 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Modelling Report, part I D Message-ID: --part1_a1.298afbb0.2a4e6d57_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our Pilot then heads for his aerodrome, full of confidence now that everything is going right! As he is crossing the lines he notices a convoy of German wagons heading into a wood. He dives and strafes it, setting the entire woods off in a huge, thunderous explosion as an entire Corps worth of ammo for the upcoming German spring offensive detonates. Our pilot then makes a perfect landing and rushes up to his CO who is having his morning shave. The pilot says" Sir, you won't believe it! I made a perfect takeoff, shot down en entire squadron of Huns and I think I even got the Red Baron. On my way back I destroyed all the ammo for the German's big spring push, setting the attack back months! Then I made a great landing! I think my run of bad luck is finally over Sir!". His commander slowly turns around and says" Ach so, Tommy, I vouldn't say zat just yet" --part1_a1.298afbb0.2a4e6d57_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our Pilot then heads for his aerodrome, full of confidence now that everything is going right!  As he is crossing the lines he notices a convoy of German wagons heading into a wood.  He dives and strafes it, setting the entire woods off in a huge, thunderous explosion as an entire Corps worth of ammo for the upcoming German spring offensive detonates.  Our pilot then makes a perfect landing and rushes up to his CO who is having his morning shave.  The pilot says" Sir, you won't believe it!  I made a perfect takeoff, shot down en entire squadron of Huns and I think I even got the Red Baron.  On my way back I destroyed all the ammo for the German's big spring push, setting the attack back months!  Then I made a great landing!  I think my run of bad luck is finally over Sir!".  His commander slowly turns around and says"  Ach so, Tommy, I vouldn't say zat just yet" --part1_a1.298afbb0.2a4e6d57_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:05:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY - moved and DSL Message-ID: <102531765001@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Good heavens .. I sent this two weeks ago. .. 'twas her birthday on the 15th (same as DB and my bother) Oh yeah .. I'm back. . . the computer is set up. . loads of stuff to unpack.... I'm converting the downstairs bedroom into a model room with a 7'x3' work bench and a large chest of drawers underneath.. .. and room to store all the unbuilt kits and projects that are underway. Could any Mac users running DSL and using OS8.5 please contact me offlist. Bob ---------- >From: "Bob Pearson" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] HAPPY BIRTHDAY >Date: Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 6:32 am > > Hey all. .. > > 'Tis Lorna's 21st (and a few) birthday today. .... best wishes and all that > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:31:31 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A Disaster Beyond Belief... Message-ID: <3D1D1C03.803@tampabay.rr.com> > The CA held; or at least it held against gravity longer than it should > have. It held to the piece of wing that was in my hand as I inhaled > sharply. The SPAD splattered itself upon the hardwood floor - bits of plane > migrating in all directions of the compass. I felt ill. I still do. > DB I'dono Dave, my pattented, "drop the fuselage nose first through a bottomless bag" manouver is hard to beat. Stupid vs dumb, we about even, though I'll concede the point on the merit of the greater value of the JGMT model over the BM kit. Sincere condolances sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:20:24 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Modelling report, Part IA Message-ID: <001801c21f1b$e97481e0$7e49bacc@ptdprolog.net> Similar to what I read today in "Clouds above Baghdad" by Tenant. He talks about a pilots who seemed to crash a lot of RFC crates on the Turkish front. When asked "How many did you bring down" he replied "15......14 British and 1 German." Mike Muth > This reminds me of a story I heard from my Grandfather many years ago. It > seems a young Canadian pilot was having a terrible time in flight school, he > would crash on takeoff, crash on landing, slip and slide all over the sky and > eventually wrecked do many aircraft in training that he became a German ace. > The English, being severely short of pilots, eventually passed him from the > flying school, largely it seems, as a self defense measure on the school > commanders part as they were getting dreadfully short of trainers. Once at > the front he continued his destructive ways, continually breaking aircraft on > landing, if he managed to even get the crate off the ground. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:18:47 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: RE: New Update Message-ID: <004101c21f24$4232bba0$fc9dfea9@RDS> Thanks Neil, D, Larry & Bill for the kind words my Fok D.VII. To answer Neil; the prop is just painted with a light brown & then a dark brown water color pencil was used to simulate the laminations & then several coats of Future semi-blended it together. And Larry asked about the engine panels; they are .005 plastic card with the appropriate location of louvers marked in pencil, then with a sharp #11 blade, a cut is made the full length of each louver. Next I made a special tool out of .080" plastic sheet, cut about 1/8 to 3/16" wide & on one end shaved this strip to look like a wood chisel-beveled on only one side. This is pushed into the louver cut & a steel rule is placed about .020" to .040" in front of the cut & while holding it firming down, the tool is then moved carefully up & down the length of the cut. And you have a nice louver that can be formed in any desired position of open to almost closed. This was the re-released kit by Monogram-not very accurate, but I had fun building it just the same. Best to all, Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:04:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Re: Presentation Aircraft Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDFFD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil >The British did not encourage individualism within the RFC, I believe they >saw it as leading to a break down of discipline. Absolute tripe. Look at the amount of leniency extended to aircrew on the ground. Pilots could be, and often were, decidedly.....errrr...unorthodox.... with no particular penalty against them. The British (and for that matter our own services) work on the teamwork principle. No man being above the team, and all being responsible members of it, it's better that they fly in team colours rather than individual ones. Add the belief that camouflage and security were good things and better not compromised....... Australians have some cause for complaint about how our troops were handled by British generals in WW1. But it wasn't exclusive to British generals, and it didn't extend to all of the British commanders. The belief that the Brits were entirely hidebound and incompetent has long been dismissed by historians, but the legend remains. Let's not be reponsible for continuing it. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4501 **********************