WWI Digest 4469 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 2) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by "Diego Fernetti" 3) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by "Lance Krieg" 4) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by tbittners@sprintmail.com 5) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by Tom Plesha 6) re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front by "Diego Fernetti" 7) by "Kozlowski Michal" 8) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by "David C. Fletcher" 9) re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 10) RE: by "Diego Fernetti" 11) re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front by "Diego Fernetti" 12) bone models by "Kozlowski Michal" 13) Which Scale??? by "Richard Bilak" 14) re: bone models by "Diego Fernetti" 15) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) (1/48vs.1/72) by bill anthony 16) re: Which Scale??? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 17) RE: bone models by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 18) RE: Bone models by "Kozlowski Michal" 19) Soviet and Polish Fokker D.VII by Kristjan.Runarsson@t-online.de (Kristjan Runarsson) 20) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by "Jamie Gagnon" 21) re: bone models by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 22) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by "Jamie Gagnon" 23) Re: Soviet and Polish Fokker D.VII by tbittners@sprintmail.com 24) re: Which Scale??? by "Richard Bilak" 25) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by Larry Marshall 26) Re: Soviet and Polish Fokker D.VII by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 27) re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front by "Michael Kendix" 28) Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) by Larry Marshall 29) re: Soviet and Polish Fokker D.VII by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:49:29 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front Message-ID: <003501c21178$bab70720$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Dear Alberto! A little nitpicking: at least Austro-Hungarian, as Saint Steven (Szent Istvan) was king of Hungary :-) G. > 10th June 1918: The Austrian battleship Szent Istvan is sunk by Com. Luigi > Rizzo’s MAS near Premuda island. > Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:55:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: <013f01c21179$910a94e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Tony Some 1/72 models are very accurate and if not, the challenge is to make them accurate forcefully by filin, sanding, filling and replacing parts as you go. If not, where's the fun of it all? I know guys that build even in 1/144! Welcome to the list D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kozlowski Michal To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) > >On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:30:27 -0400 (EDT), bill anthony Nah. The only > > >silly question is "should I build German over French" to which the > > >obvious answer is HE77 NO! ;-) > >Matt Bittner > > So I'll ask this: should I build 1/48 over 1/72? > It is said that 1/48 models have better details and are more accurate, but > are more expensive. > I'm a newbie here, so I need an advice. > Regards > Tony > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:58:26 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: "So I'll ask this: should I build 1/48 over 1/72?" Tony, thank God you've come, and welcome. This post will generate some activity, I've no doubt. The short answer to your question is YES, you should build 1/48 over 1/72. Why? Because I build 1/48, and the more of you who do likewise, the more likely the manufacturers are to cater to that chosen scale, and so increase the number of types kitted, and thereby increase my stash of models I will never get built, and can have my widow give to you guys after I'm gone. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: <20020611190406.E5659468D6@eclipse.qis.net> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT), Kozlowski Michal wrote: >So I'll ask this: should I build 1/48 over 1/72? >It is said that 1/48 models have better details and are more accurate, but >are more expensive. >I'm a newbie here, so I need an advice. Believe it or not, I'm not even going to offer my opinion on this. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: <20020611191107.3544.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> What's a 1/72? Later Tom --- Lance Krieg wrote: > "So I'll ask this: should I build 1/48 over 1/72?" > > Tony, thank God you've come, and welcome. This post > will generate some > activity, I've no doubt. > > The short answer to your question is YES, you should > build 1/48 over > 1/72. > > Why? Because I build 1/48, and the more of you who > do likewise, the > more likely the manufacturers are to cater to that > chosen scale, and so > increase the number of types kitted, and thereby > increase my stash of > models I will never get built, and can have my widow > give to you guys > after I'm gone. > > Lance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:01:52 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front Message-ID: <015801c2117a$72ce4c00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> And here it is... http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~vb021/szi-eng.html D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: [WWI] re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front > Dear Alberto! > A little nitpicking: at least Austro-Hungarian, as Saint Steven (Szent > Istvan) was king of Hungary :-) > G. > > > 10th June 1918: The Austrian battleship Szent Istvan is sunk by Com. Luigi > > Rizzo's MAS near Premuda island. > > Alberto Casirati > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:17:10 +0000 From: "Kozlowski Michal" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Message-ID: Dear D. You speak nonsense. what you do, pick a bone out of litter bin and build fokker triplane from it? just throw all small innacurate models to trash and start a collection of 1/48. respectfully Michal (aka Tony) >Some 1/72 models are very accurate and if not, the challenge is to make >them >accurate forcefully by filin, sanding, filling and replacing parts as you >go. If not, where's the fun of it all? >I know guys that build even in 1/144! >Welcome to the list >D. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:26:27 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: <3D064EE3.5020401@mars.ark.com> Kozlowski Michal wrote: > It is said that 1/48 models have better details and are more accurate, but > are more expensive. 1/48th scale are generally cheaper per pound (or Kg) and much easier on the eyes - you can even see the detail you nearly went blind making. Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:22:52 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front Message-ID: <00a801c2117d$61d490a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> "naval power of Hungary" Sounds very funny (Diego, look at the map!) We had in Poland jokes about Czech Navy (look again!) G. > And here it is... > http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~vb021/szi-eng.html > D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:25:45 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Message-ID: <01ff01c2117d$c91b7800$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michal! or is it Tony? You seem quite sharp. But in any case, I've seen some wonderful naval models carved out of ivory wich is bone after all. Have you built something in 1/72 so far? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kozlowski Michal To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: [WWI] > Dear D. > You speak nonsense. what you do, pick a bone out of litter bin and build > fokker triplane from it? > just throw all small innacurate models to trash and start a collection of > 1/48. > respectfully > Michal (aka Tony) > > >Some 1/72 models are very accurate and if not, the challenge is to make > >them > >accurate forcefully by filin, sanding, filling and replacing parts as you > >go. If not, where's the fun of it all? > >I know guys that build even in 1/144! > >Welcome to the list > >D. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:30:35 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front Message-ID: <021a01c2117e$75ab3060$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well, they say that the sky is their sea, so their navy must be their Air Force! :-) D. Sorry Ivan! ----- Original Message ----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: [WWI] re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front > "naval power of Hungary" > Sounds very funny (Diego, look at the map!) > We had in Poland jokes about Czech Navy (look again!) > G. > > > And here it is... > > http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~vb021/szi-eng.html > > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:33:51 +0000 From: "Kozlowski Michal" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: bone models Message-ID: I am Michal, but I like to be like Tony Fokker and build my own airplanes in one on one scale, no small airplane what is sharp? Please no insult me. I don't speak english too well. I talk about airplanes, no naval models I am interested in airplanes of the great war. Where are you from? Maybe there is no 1/48 models where you live. Michal >Michal! or is it Tony? >You seem quite sharp. >But in any case, I've seen some wonderful naval models carved out of ivory >wich is bone after all. >Have you built something in 1/72 so far? >D. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:35:57 -0800 From: "Richard Bilak" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Which Scale??? Message-ID: <000101c2117f$365a46c0$1d81ed18@bilak.micronet.net> Why not do both? then you have the best of both worlds. As to which aircraft, again a little of this and a little of that. I'm working on a 1/72 Sopwith collection which the list cookup inspired me to go with my 1/72 Polish collection. Cheers, Rick Bilak ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:41:10 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: re: bone models Message-ID: <022401c2117f$f026f940$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michal Well, there's no reason for you to start using bones to make airplanes on whichever scale you choose. I'm from Argentina and yes, there are 1/48 models here as well, but Ijust build in the scale that suits me better. Hope you have luck making your lifesize airplanes, but you must start from little to bigger, I guess! D. Where are you from? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:42:14 -0700 (PDT) From: bill anthony To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) (1/48vs.1/72) Message-ID: <20020611194214.2268.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, I'll speak for you. You should only build 1/72 !!! All the cool people build 1/72 so why don't you!, And don't build any of those Germanic planes either! All kidding aside Michal, I am new to most of this myself, and would suggest you build in both scales till you decide which one you prefer. As far as I see it, you can go crazy detailing in 1/48th. But at the same time, a detailed 1/72 plane is a work of art! As for the price comparison, I would'nt worry about it. It takes me so long to actually build a plane what is the difference between spending $10 on a 1/72 plane vs. $20 for a 1/48 scale plane. After two months of work, another $10 means nothing. The real money is in the reference books you buy. Storage wise, 1/72 has the edge. Its easier to stock up those kits in a draw. Plus you need less room to display them. Working wise, well I would say the larger plane is obviously not as fiddely as the smaller one. Unfortunately, %90 of what I just said is speculation on my part. Thanks, Bill Anthony --- tbittners@sprintmail.com wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT), Kozlowski > Michal wrote: > > >So I'll ask this: should I build 1/48 over 1/72? > >It is said that 1/48 models have better details and > are more accurate, but > >are more expensive. > >I'm a newbie here, so I need an advice. > > Believe it or not, I'm not even going to offer my > opinion on this. > > :-) > > > Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:45:23 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Which Scale??? Message-ID: <00d401c21180$893f2c60$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Rick! You have both building 1/72 and 1/72! Really very impressive. I could laugh, but I build 1/72 and 1/72 too ;-) BTW, I'm in difficult situation, should I support a Pole who's wrong with scale or an Argie who's right? Cheers all, Rick, Tony, Michal and Diego! G. > Why not do both? I'm working on a 1/72 > Sopwith collection which the list cookup inspired me to go with my 1/72 > Polish collection. > Cheers, > Rick Bilak ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:48:05 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: bone models Message-ID: <005601c21180$e832bac0$5d1ba8c0@officesp.starmedia> Hello, Michal! First, welcome from Brazil! > what is sharp? Please no insult me. I don't speak english too well. Don't worry, many of us don't have English as first language and even so we get along very well! :-))) This talk about 1/72 and 1/48 scale is just a reason for us to tease on each other, joke a bit and have some laughs, nothing serious, so don't worry, no one wants to insult anyone here (I still have with me a very funny text on the "Scale Wars" sent to the list months ago) > Maybe there is no 1/48 models where you live. Hehehe, in Brazil there are no WWI models at all... all I have I bought from foreign hobby shops (blessed be the Internet). All the best from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil +55 11 30436421 marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:50:34 +0000 From: "Kozlowski Michal" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bone models Message-ID: >From Argentina? A princess name Maxima just married our Heir Prince months ago. Nice girl. A bit silly but is pretty. I will try as folk say and build model of any scale. Not 1/72? Must I build the nieuport or better german models as tomy Fokker? I can not decide Michal PS: Do you send me picture of Maxima in Argentina? >Well, there's no reason for you to start using bones to make airplanes on >whichever scale you choose. I'm from Argentina and yes, there are 1/48 >models here as well, but Ijust build in the scale that suits me better. >Hope you have luck making your lifesize airplanes, but you must start from >little to bigger, I guess! >D. >Where are you from? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:06:24 +0200 From: Kristjan.Runarsson@t-online.de (Kristjan Runarsson) To: Subject: Soviet and Polish Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <000e01c21183$770f6200$ea8dfea9@kristjar> Hello chaps! I figured that this must be within limits and not OT since it is about WWI aircraft even if the Soviet-Polish war was Post 1918, Please correct me if I assumed wrongly. Are between the wars discussions OK for these "aftermath of WWI" wars if the aircraft served in WWI? I just bought a Rhoden Fokker D.VII kit and now find myself wondering if anybody knows the history of the Soviet Fokker featured in that kit.? Nice kit by the way!! Other silly questions in the unlikely event that somebody knows the answers: - Did these Soviet Fokkers serve in the Soviet-Polish war? - Did they have a Mercedes DIII, BMW or other engine? I have been told that some of those post WWI D.VII fighters had a 230hp Armstrong Siddeley Puma??? - Which Guns were fitted to the Sovet ones and which to the Polish ones? - Did the Soviets get any kills on the Poles? Or vice versa? - I am beginning to toy with the idea of a Profile series on the D.VII in Non German service. Soooo... Does anybody know where to find more info especially pix of Soviet D.VII fighters? Cheers KR P.S. My website is at www.brushfirewars.com. Some profiles there, none of WWI types, but that WILL change, I promise, no honest, I do, really.............................. PP.S. For another long term profiling project I have been ithcing to do for years. Does anybody know of photos of those mutant tropicalized Pfalz D.IIIa and Albatross D.III/D.Va aircraft with two radiators that served in Macedonia, Turkey and Palestina during WWI ? The only photo of one of these mutants (and two detail shots) I have ever found is in the WS Albatross Datafile. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:00:19 -0400 From: "Jamie Gagnon" To: Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: <000b01c21182$9d797a80$9b127018@ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Not silly at all; I tried decaling and could not get the little pieces to wrap around and line up properly. Jamie > Matt, > A silly question, but when you use decal, do you > apply two piece, one on each side? or do you just use > one piece and wrap it around? > See, I said it was a silly question. > Thanks, > Bill Anthony > > > --- Matt Bittner wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:57:28 -0400 (EDT), Jamie > > Gagnon wrote: > > > > Welcome! > > > > > What is the best method to replicate those metal > > bands around the struts > > > which seemed to be a trademark of French machines? > > > > Actually they're not metal, they're fabric. > > > > > I've tried painting, but the result looks like a > > band of paint. I tried > > > painting a band of Tamiya tape, but the stuff did > > not seem to want to stay > > > on with such a narrow contact area. > > > > I use strips of decal. Until someone else can come > > up with > > something better, that's what I'll keep using. :-) > > > > > > Matt Bittner > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:56:53 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: bone models Message-ID: <00f401c21182$22e74e00$0200a8c0@grzesiek> All that reminds me that someday Karen wrote that Luedemann's look like carved in ivory. Boys! Behave yourselves. Argies and Poles (are you Pole, Michal?) could be friends. I like Diego (mostly because he builds 172 ;-) Grzegorz, Warszawa (Warsaw) (Diego, look on map!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:03:09 -0400 From: "Jamie Gagnon" To: Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: <002301c21183$023dfcc0$9b127018@ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> > What's a 1/72? > Later > Tom I used to build them, but my eyes ain't what they used to be. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Soviet and Polish Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <20020611200847.EA0504696D@eclipse.qis.net> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:58:45 -0400 (EDT), Kristjan Runarsson wrote: >I figured that this must be within limits and not OT since it is about WWI >aircraft even if the Soviet-Polish war was Post 1918, Please correct me if I >assumed wrongly. Are between the wars discussions OK for these "aftermath of >WWI" wars if the aircraft served in WWI? Sort on-topic. I believe we'll allow it to a certain degree, but Al may want to pipe up for certain. >I just bought a Rhoden Fokker D.VII kit and now find myself wondering if >anybody knows the history of the Soviet Fokker featured in that kit.? Nice >kit by the way!! Not exactly sure about the history. Early RCW and Soviet aircraft are a thing of relative mystery. Some sources, but most are in Cyrillic. >Other silly questions in the unlikely event that somebody knows the answers: > > - Did these Soviet Fokkers serve in the Soviet-Polish war? Highly doubtful. Sources I have state they came on line sometime in 1922. > - Did they have a Mercedes DIII, BMW or other engine? I have been told that >some of those post WWI D.VII fighters had a 230hp Armstrong Siddeley Puma??? Probably a BMW. > - Which Guns were fitted to the Sovet ones and which to the Polish ones? Probably kept the Spandua's in Soviet service. > - Did the Soviets get any kills on the Poles? Or vice versa? Others will have to answer. > - I am beginning to toy with the idea of a Profile series on the D.VII in >Non German service. Soooo... Does anybody know where to find more info >especially pix of Soviet D.VII fighters? Your best bet for this is Red Stars 3. I was told once of another reference for Soviet D.VIIs, but I can't recall it at the moment, and the person who told me of it is off line for awhile. In addition, you'll want Fokker Anthology Part 4, as it sounds like it will cover post-war D.VIIs. >P.S. My website is at www.brushfirewars.com. Some profiles there, none of >WWI types, but that WILL change, I promise, no honest, I do, >really.............................. Uhm, okay. :-) And FWIW, my "other" site is at: http://www.kithobbyist.com/VVS We concentrate - right now - on GPW aircraft, but plan on adding earlier machines as time permits. FWIW, the commander of one of these Soviet D.VII squadrons was Kozhevnikov, a person I've been researching. Unfortunately, as wass previously mentioned, not a lot out there. You may contact me off list for more information. Also FWIW, Blue Rider recently released a decal sheet titled something like "Foreign Fokker D.VIIs" which has a number of Soviet D.VIIs. Unfortunately, from what I've been able to surmise, their color rendition of Kozhevnikov's fuselage "sphinx" is wrong. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:11:11 -0800 From: "Richard Bilak" To: Subject: re: Which Scale??? Message-ID: <002001c21184$2258dec0$d978ed18@bilak.micronet.net> 1/72 or 1/48, it does not make any difference. Just so long as it's WWI aircraft :) Rick B -----Original Message----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:50 AM Subject: [WWI] re: Which Scale??? >Rick! >You have both building 1/72 and 1/72! >Really very impressive. I could laugh, but I build 1/72 and 1/72 too ;-) >BTW, I'm in difficult situation, should I support a Pole who's wrong with >scale or an Argie who's right? >Cheers all, Rick, Tony, Michal and Diego! >G. > >> Why not do both? I'm working on a 1/72 >> Sopwith collection which the list cookup inspired me to go with my 1/72 >> Polish collection. >> Cheers, >> Rick Bilak > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:36:51 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: <200206111636.51877.larrym@sympatico.ca> > So I'll ask this: should I build 1/48 over 1/72? I think you know that nobody but you can answer this question. As someone who's struggling with this myself, I can offer some insights. > It is said that 1/48 models have better details and are more accurate, > but are more expensive. While the 1/72 advocates may take me to task for this, I would agree with both of these points. The flipside of this, of course is that as models get larger, not only CAN you put more detail on them, you HAVE to put more detail on them. So, you make your choices here. Spend a couple hours looking through the gallery here and identify the models that turn your crank. You'll notice that it's actually hard to distinguish detailed models of either scale based on their detail. Somehow, what gets left off the 1/72 models (and it's not much any more) isn't noticed. > I'm a newbie here, so I need an advice. The best advice I can provide is to build a couple of each. There's more than the end product when it comes to making decisions about scale. Check out both scales and see where your comfort level is with the two scales while you're building the models. You're going to do that more than you will look at them so it's pretty important. Personally, I'm happier building 1/72 than I am building 1/48 in spite of having some difficulty with old eyes. As for the expense, in my short experience, I found the price of 1/48 kits kept me from buying 'just cuz'. With 1/72 I buy them because I 'want' one. In short, this difference largely offsets any price differential that may exist between being a 1/48 or 1/72 modeler...at least for me. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:41:08 +0200 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: Re: Soviet and Polish Fokker D.VII Message-ID: > Not exactly sure about the history. > Early RCW and Soviet aircraft are a thing of relative mystery. > Some sources, but most are in Cyrillic. Matt, I read Cyrillic. I can help you with that. >> Other silly questions in the unlikely event that somebody knows the answers: >> - Did these Soviet Fokkers serve in the Soviet-Polish war? > Highly doubtful. Sources I have state they came on line sometime in 1922. Kristjan, Nieuport 24bis was a mainstay of Soviet scout units during the war. Also there were many older Nieuport 17s as well as Spad VIIs. Other scouts were rather seldom. Poles used D.VIIs extensively. Both 13th and 15th Fighter Squadrons were equipped with D.VIIs, but due to lack of aerial opposition they were used mainly for ground support. > - Which Guns were fitted to the Sovet ones and which to the Polish ones? Poles usually replaced 'Spandaus' with Vickers guns, which were considered as better. > - Did the Soviets get any kills on the Poles? Or vice versa? Yes, both sides claimed kills, but AFAIK no kill was scored with D.VII. Soviets scored with Nieuport 24bis' and Spad VIIs. Poles scored with Spad VIIs, Salmson 2A2s, Oeffag D.IIIs, Spad XIIIs. >P.S. My website is at www.brushfirewars.com. Some profiles there, none of >WWI types, but that WILL change, I promise, no honest, I do, >really.............................. Wow. Finally you did it! Great site. Congratulations! Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:43:09 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Yesterday in history - the Italian front Message-ID: >From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" > >"naval power of Hungary" >Sounds very funny (Diego, look at the map!) >We had in Poland jokes about Czech Navy (look again!) Yes, but Austria had naval aircraft in WWI and today, I believe, it has a navy - they have border lakes. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:40:58 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Struts (For Matt B.) Message-ID: <200206111640.58363.larrym@sympatico.ca> > 1/48th scale are generally cheaper per pound (or Kg) and much easier on > the eyes - you can even see the detail you nearly went blind making. Maybe cheaper per square foot but I don't think they're cheaper per pound :-) 1/72 models are more dense...much like those of us who build them. Hmmm..I wonder what this means about 1/48 scale builders....more square feet? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:53:47 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Soviet and Polish Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <011801c2118a$15ce5d00$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Matt can give best answer, but I'll try too. > - Did these Soviet Fokkers serve in the Soviet-Polish war? No, they arrived in 1922 from Holland. > - Did they have a Mercedes DIII, BMW or other engine? I have been told that > some of those post WWI D.VII fighters had a 230hp Armstrong Siddeley Puma??? Some Dutch ones had Puma, prof. Goworek states that Soviet had in majority Mercedes engines, and some BMW > - Which Guns were fitted to the Sovet ones and which to the Polish ones? Photos I have show Soviet ones with guns not mounted (but with all gun installations) Poles used Spandau guns on D.VII. > - Did the Soviets get any kills on the Poles? Or vice versa? You mean on D.VII? Polish D.VII were used very extensively in 1919-20 campaigns also as a fighters against Soviet aviation. No victories confirmed. Also Lithuanian D.VII fought against Polish Breguet XIV > - I am beginning to toy with the idea of a Profile series on the D.VII in > Non German service. Soooo... Does anybody know where to find more info > especially pix of Soviet D.VII fighters? Book by Tomasz Goworek "Pierwsze samoloty mysliwskie lotnictwa polskiego" ("First Polish Fighters") has a lot of schemes, from all countries. Ask Bob Pearson for scans. > P.S. My website is at www.brushfirewars.com. Some profiles there, none of > WWI types, but that WILL change, I promise, no honest, I do, > really.............................. Very nice site. I liked I-16 article very much. I have a lot of info about Spanish Civil War, as I'm (yes, still) writing a master degree dissertation about SCW. > PP.S. For another long term profiling project I have been ithcing to do for > years. Does anybody know of photos of those mutant tropicalized Pfalz D.IIIa > and Albatross D.III/D.Va aircraft with two radiators that served in > Macedonia, Turkey and Palestina during WWI ? The only photo of one of these > mutants (and two detail shots) I have ever found is in the WS Albatross > Datafile. Will look for that, but some of our Aussies should know more. Wait, you wrote Pfalz? G. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4469 **********************