WWI Digest 4458 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV by "Diego Fernetti" 2) Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV by "Michael Kendix" 3) Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV by Steven Perry 5) Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV by Crawford Neil 6) Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV by "Diego Fernetti" 7) louvres by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 8) Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV by Crawford Neil 9) RE: louvres by "Diego Fernetti" 10) RE: louvres by Crawford Neil 11) RE: louvres by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 12) RE: louvres by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: louvres by Jan Vihonen 14) Re: New additions by Crawford Neil 15) Qualcuno ti ama in segreto by "Chiamami" 16) Pfalz conversion by "Harris, Mack" 17) RE: louvres by "NEIL EDDY" 18) Re: Pfalz conversion by Dave Fleming 19) RE: louvres by Crawford Neil 20) Dropping out of the list for awhile.. by "Ross Moorhouse" 21) RE: Dropping out of the list for awhile.. by "Diego Fernetti" 22) RE: Dropping out of the list for awhile.. by Crawford Neil 23) Candice's Rumpler by "Laskodi" 24) Re: Candice's Rumpler by Tom Plesha 25) RE: shiny side up by Crawford Neil 26) Re: Pfalz conversion by Larry Marshall 27) RE: Candice's Rumpler by "Graham Hunter" 28) RE: Candice's Rumpler by "Diego Fernetti" 29) RE: Candice's Rumpler by Crawford Neil 30) Rivets by "tsollers" 31) Re: Candice's Rumpler... by "Mark C" 32) Ebay Goodies by "Brent Theobald" 33) Re: Ebay Goodies by "Brent Theobald" 34) Re: Candice's Rumpler by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 35) Re: Candice's Rumpler by "Mark Shannon" 36) VA Beach Nats lodging plus by Karen Rychlewski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:03:19 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV Message-ID: <00cd01c20c78$38474980$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael wrote: > 4. The Part p/e has some nice stuff. I don't have the skill to use some of > it though; e.g. they give a replacement for the underside louvre openings > butyou have to cut away the kit's ones - good luck! Hmmmm... PE louvres? ...does they seem of the right size for, let's say... a Spad? D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:07:44 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV Message-ID: >From: "Diego Fernetti" > >Hmmmm... PE louvres? ...does they seem of the right size for, let's >say... >a Spad? What you get is two trapezoidal-shaped pieces - one each for the D.III and D.IV. Look at the Part web site to see them and let me know if they're right. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:15:19 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV Message-ID: <00e001c20c79$e52e7b40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael! Unfortunately they aren't useful for spads... well, I have to keep the Academy as it is. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix > What you get is two trapezoidal-shaped pieces - one each for the D.III and > D.IV. Look at the Part web site to see them and let me know if they're > right. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 06:23:49 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV Message-ID: <3CFDE6B5.4040809@tampabay.rr.com> I have the Toko SW kit, the Part Detai set, a Hawkeye resin conversion kit and a Czechmaster resin kit out of which I want to make a D.III and a D.IV. I think the Hawkeye wing is beautiful, (mine came un-warped.), and I'd like to do it in CDL as it is so thin. The problem is that the Prototype which had CDL wings is not possible to make out of what I have without extensive mods that I'm not going to get into. Does anyone know of an early D.III that had CDL wings? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:30:22 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV Message-ID: Well done Diego, I started a thread about german aicraft, went swimming in my lunch-break, get back and you're talking about Spads, really good work! Oh and in reply to an earlier mail, I think your Spad looks great, and I don't think you will screw it up. The turtleback is one of the trickiest parts of a Spad, and thats finished, plain sailing from now. Then there is a certain Nieuport 28 to finish too:-) /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 5 juni 2002 12:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV > > > Michael! > Unfortunately they aren't useful for spads... well, I have to keep the > Academy as it is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:37:22 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV Message-ID: <00f201c20c7c$fa1a49a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Well done Diego, I started a thread about german aicraft, went > swimming in my lunch-break, get back and you're talking about Spads, > really good work! I'm following your teachings, O master > Oh and in reply to an earlier mail, I think your Spad looks great, > and I don't think you will screw it up. The turtleback is one of > the trickiest parts of a Spad, and thats finished, plain sailing > from now. Then there is a certain Nieuport 28 to finish too:-) The Nieuport 28 stringered rear fuselage has been filled as the Spad turtledeck and the facets will be sanded flat as the spad sides. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:37:00 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: louvres Message-ID: <006e01c20c7c$ecec91c0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Diego! Get the metal foil from wine bottle. Foil should be very soft, and not too thin. Then make louvres in it with clock-screwdriver small enough. I've tried and it works. But you have to get really good foil, thick and very soft. Good luck! G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:39:28 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Siemens-Schuckert DIII/IV Message-ID: > The Nieuport 28 stringered rear fuselage has been filled as the Spad > turtledeck and the facets will be sanded flat as the spad sides. > D. Yep, way to go I think. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:44:59 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: louvres Message-ID: <010601c20c7e$0a41eb20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Clock screwdrivers!!! I have those! Excellent idea Grzes!! D. Now I'll go find some good wine. Won't take me very long. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:40 AM Subject: [WWI] louvres > Diego! > Get the metal foil from wine bottle. Foil should be very soft, and not too > thin. Then make louvres in it with clock-screwdriver small enough. I've > tried and it works. But you have to get really good foil, thick and very > soft. > Good luck! > G. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:44:26 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: louvres Message-ID: Break out the Port then Parker, oh sorry wrong list. Make that the 1917 jar of marmite. /Neil C. PS. Sounds like a good idea that. Get the metal foil from wine bottle. Foil should be very > soft, and not too > thin. Then make louvres in it with clock-screwdriver small > enough. I've > tried and it works. But you have to get really good foil, > thick and very > soft. > Good luck! > G. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:57:39 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: louvres Message-ID: <008001c20c7f$cf4cec20$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Clock screwdrivers!!! Original idea comes from Jacek Sznajder, designer of majority of Choroszy models. But Jace had that screwdriver sharpened and made louvres in polystyrene. Idea of using wime foil is my own :-) - And screwdriver should be sharp too, in order not to tear foil, but you'll see all when you try. G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:04:12 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: louvres Message-ID: <012101c20c80$b97699e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Here's a good idea you should send to Windsock and win something from them, Grzes! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grzegorz Mazurowski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: louvres > > > > Clock screwdrivers!!! > Original idea comes from Jacek Sznajder, designer of majority of Choroszy > models. But Jace had that screwdriver sharpened and made louvres in > polystyrene. > Idea of using wime foil is my own :-) > - And screwdriver should be sharp too, in order not to tear foil, but you'll > see all when you try. > G. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:09:19 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: louvres Message-ID: <3CFDF15F.B45656D3@helsinki.fi> > Get the metal foil from wine bottle. Foil should be very soft, and not too > thin. Then make louvres in it with clock-screwdriver small enough. I've > tried and it works. But you have to get really good foil, thick and very > soft. Anybody ever tried this with, say, PART photoetched engine side panels? And Diego, don't drink all the wine before you start making louvres. ;-) Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:05:27 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: New additions Message-ID: > Now that is a motasickle ! Like the minamilist framing - > almost like a Bleriot > XI (mandatory OT content) > > Dave Fleming > > Yes very nice and it's black, just like er er.. that swiss Siemens-Schuckert (before it was swiss) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:56:59 +0200 From: "Chiamami" To: "." 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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:40:53 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "World War I (E-mail)" Subject: Pfalz conversion Message-ID: I have the HR Models excellent Pfalz EVI (thanks, Bob) and would like to convert it to the EII. Would some kind soul tell me the difference between the two, (I think it's number of warping wires and the rudder and maybe the elevator?) I would buy the appropriate datafile but since I've used up my modeling budget through the year 2020 that's not possible at the present time. thanks for any help Mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:03:09 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: RE: louvres Message-ID: <006c01c20c99$b9db93e0$c98786cb@default> Who's Parker? ;-) All the Best Neil E (about to start a Roden Fokker DVI while his Sopwith Triplane lies idle) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford Neil" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: louvres > > Break out the Port then Parker, oh sorry wrong list. > Make that the 1917 jar of marmite. > /Neil C. > PS. Sounds like a good idea that. > > Get the metal foil from wine bottle. Foil should be very > > soft, and not too > > thin. Then make louvres in it with clock-screwdriver small > > enough. I've > > tried and it works. But you have to get really good foil, > > thick and very > > soft. > > Good luck! > > G. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:04:06 +0100 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: Pfalz conversion Message-ID: <1023285846.3cfe1a56d37ac@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting "Harris, Mack" : > I have the HR Models excellent Pfalz EVI (thanks, Bob) and would like to > convert it to the EII. Would some kind soul tell me the difference > between > the two, (I think it's number of warping wires and the rudder and maybe > the > elevator?) I would buy the appropriate datafile but since I've used up > my > modeling budget through the year 2020 that's not possible at the present > time. > thanks for any help > Mack > The Datafile is very vauge on the EVI, changes appear to be a longer fuselage (no length given)& different rudder shape. The Datafile has three photos of the Austrian A10 (unarmed EVI) and a photo on what may be a German EVI, with hand painted lozenge. Dimensions for the EII are: Length 6.45m, span 10.20m, height 2.55m Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:08:12 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: louvres Message-ID: Could have been worse I suppose, if it was a Handley-Page. No my man, keep serving up the tripe please;-) /Neil C. > > Who's Parker? ;-) > > All the Best > > Neil E > (about to start a Roden Fokker DVI while his Sopwith Triplane > lies idle) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:15:34 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Dropping out of the list for awhile.. Message-ID: <005901c20c9b$75a7f180$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi all, I am dropping out of the list for awhile. Heaps of work on with game testing etc for the company I work for that I have to focus on. I am not even getting time to read the posts to the list any more. I will still have a read via the archive at times. I still have some pics to go up on the AFV site and will still run that. Cheers all. Thanks for the fish. ;-) Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:20:27 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Dropping out of the list for awhile.. Message-ID: <003701c20c9c$23ef1de0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hope you return soon, mate! D. Game testing. What a cool work. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Moorhouse To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: [WWI] Dropping out of the list for awhile.. > Hi all, > > I am dropping out of the list for awhile. Heaps of work on with game testing > etc for the company I work for that I have to focus on. I am not even > getting time to read the posts to the list any more. > > I will still have a read via the archive at times. > > I still have some pics to go up on the AFV site and will still run that. > > Cheers all. Thanks for the fish. ;-) > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:20:34 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Dropping out of the list for awhile.. Message-ID: Been nice having you here, come back when you can. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:29:37 -0700 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: Candice's Rumpler Message-ID: <000901c20c9d$6bea2120$443819d0@f4hn201> Our very own Candice had done incredible justice to Jaeger's Rumpler. Simply beeee-you-teeee-fulllll! Go to: http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/w1/uhlirrumpler.htm Time to be amazed! ---------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Candice's Rumpler Message-ID: <20020605143823.19593.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> You are right!!!! Candice did a beautiful job! Later Tom --- Laskodi wrote: > Our very own Candice had done incredible justice to > Jaeger's Rumpler. Simply > beeee-you-teeee-fulllll! Go to: > http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/w1/uhlirrumpler.htm > Time to be amazed! > ---------Bob > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:50:14 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: shiny side up Message-ID: Yes I do it more or less the same, except I airbrush on the glue, I can't get it to work brushing on. ALso like you I protect the foil I've glued by keeping in an old kit box which is big and flat, and shame to say from an F4 Phantom. It lasts for years I'd say /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Al Superczynski [mailto:modeleral@up-link.net] > Sent: den 4 juni 2002 21:24 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: shiny side up > > > On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:38:05 -0400 (EDT), Neil wrote: > > >Heres a good article about foiling: > > http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral/Foil.html > > That's pretty much the way I do it, too, and why I chose to > upload that excellent article. One thing I do differently is to lay > the foil (adhesive side down) on a sheet of waxed paper once the > adhesive turns clear. The foil will then be protected from dust and > debris and remain usable for months, and can be treated just like > commercial brands such as Bare Metal foil. > > HTH, > Al > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:51:07 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pfalz conversion Message-ID: <200206051051.07416.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I have the HR Models excellent Pfalz EVI (thanks, Bob) and would like to > convert it to the EII. Would some kind soul tell me the difference > between the two, (I think it's number of warping wires and the rudder and > maybe the elevator?) Datafile reference to changes from EII to EVI: "Visible changes are the modified rudder shape, the lengthened fuselage, and the double (instead of triple) wing cables." It seems to me that the wingspan is shorter on the EII as well. I can't really confirm that as the Datafile doesn't have a 3V of the EVI but it's clearly the case that the EV has a greater wingspan than does the EII. Unfortunately, other than a couple photos, there's not a lot of info on the EVI in the datafile. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:04:07 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Candice's Rumpler Message-ID: <000001c20ca2$3fb113c0$770101c0@ghunter> Very Nice Indeed Candice. Graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:02:32 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Candice's Rumpler Message-ID: <007501c20ca2$0519b000$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Superb! Well done Candice D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Laskodi > Our very own Candice had done incredible justice to Jaeger's Rumpler. Simply > beeee-you-teeee-fulllll! Go to: > http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/w1/uhlirrumpler.htm > Time to be amazed! > ---------Bob > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:07:45 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Candice's Rumpler Message-ID: You da girl, Candice! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:13:46 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Rivets Message-ID: <200206051614.g55GDp507628@mail.bcpl.net> Greetings al! I seem to remember someone seeking a way to do rivets. I came across this and thought it would be good to share. http://fp.docdio.f9.co.uk/page/Easy%20Rivets.htm Hope it is helpful. Cheers! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:21:03 -0400 From: "Mark C" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Candice's Rumpler... Message-ID: Wonderful piece of work! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 17:38:46 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Ebay Goodies Message-ID: Howdy! Check out these WWI Aviation relics: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1829873242 http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1829873240 No affiliations.... Any ideas on the color shift on the rib tape? It looks yellow.. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 17:44:27 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ebay Goodies Message-ID: Howdy, I found another one. Rumpler fabric this time. http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1829873239 Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:54:59 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Candice's Rumpler Message-ID: <141.f812232.2a2faa73@aol.com> --part1_141.f812232.2a2faa73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Candice, you have produced another fine piece of art, simple beautiful. I love the color and decal choice. Best Regards, Jon --part1_141.f812232.2a2faa73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Candice, you have produced another fine piece of art, simple beautiful. I love the color and decal choice.

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--part1_141.f812232.2a2faa73_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:02:34 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Candice's Rumpler Message-ID: Very pretty. Did you or Copper State do anything to provide strengthening to the wings? It's always my greatest worry with resin wing kits. and especially here with relatively long wings and white metal struts. Also, I'm wondering idly, given the type of kit, the way the exhaust and engine are sort of woven in the cabane struts, and the touchiness of getting the angle of attack the same upper and lower wings - if you were to do another, might an approach be to put the cabanes and engine in, put the upper wing on, then hang the lower wing in place off of that? Since you are the expert on building the kit, and have done such a beautiful job, your insight and suggestions are sought. Again, very nice model of a very important if underappreciated plane. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:34:55 -0400 From: Karen Rychlewski To: to post Subject: VA Beach Nats lodging plus Message-ID: <3CFE67DE.936EB340@earthlink.net> No, I'm not off in Timbuktu or other strange places. Just spending some time in lurk mode and getting more and more depressed every time someone posts photos of their newest. Jeez, lately youse guys have been outdoing each other: between Doc Morgan's microscopically perfect nacelle and Plesha's Lohner fuse interior and Sanjeev's 2cm Lewis gun, you all are just leapfrogging into the terminal AMS ward. But keep up the good work--it inspires the rest of us peons to hire small children to handle the PE parts for us. Many of you remember my 'summer overstock sale' of last year; well, more kits have been added to my stash so some others are ready to move on to someone else's closet. Instead of cluttering the list this year with all my excess kits (in line with Allan's 3K max edict) I've decided to email the list to anyone who wants it. So, this is what we'll do: if you want to get the sale list, send me your email address off-list between now and June 15. At high noon, US Eastern Standard Time, on Sat, June 15, I will mail the list to everyone at the same time. Then I promise to sit at my computer for *two hours* to receive purchase requests--first email arrive, first sold. Contact me off-list for more info (except the sale list :-) Now to the subject heading. I'll be going to the Nats (hopefully to see some of these recently-posted beauties in the flesh) and I'd like to make a week's vacation out of it. The hotel/motel prices are prohibitive for a single person and I'd rather not stay with my cousin again. There are loads of rental houses/cottages/condos available in the VAB vicinity. I've been looking at some rental agencies suggested by my cousin, and it seems I could get a place for between $300 and $400 per person for the week of July 28--depends on how many of you would want to sign on and what the sleeping arrangements would be. The catch is that the places are two or three houses from the beach (not right on it) and they are down the coast a bit (no, not in North Carolina...). The convention center is on 22nd Street; the street numbers get higher as you head south; most of the places I've seen are between 55th St and 80th St--so the commute to the Pavilion is a bit farther, but not unreasonable. Contact me off-list in the *next week* if you are interested in sharing accomodations--bring your significant other along or tell him/her that I'm the house mother. Oh yeah, I also have a place picked out for the 'List Dinner Bash'--will post more info later. Karen ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4458 **********************