WWI Digest 4456 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Part 3 saga of the missing B.M. DH. 2 kit by Jon 2) Part 4 Saga of the Missing B.M. DH.2 Kit by Jon 3) Re: British Post WWI Aircraft in Africa (slightly OT) by Eric Hotz 4) RE: French Strutter quandries by "Laskodi" 5) Re: Printing decals by Al Superczynski 6) URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED by "Mrs.m.sese seko" 7) New additions by Shane Weier 8) shiny side up by "Mordecai Sheftall" 9) RE: New Models by "Diego Fernetti" 10) RE: New Models by Crawford Neil 11) RE: Part 4 Saga of the Missing B.M. DH.2 Kit by "Diego Fernetti" 12) RE: New additions by Crawford Neil 13) RE: shiny side up by Crawford Neil 14) RE: New additions by "Pedro N. Soares" 15) Osprey's Dolphin & Snipe Aces by "Michael Kendix" 16) RE: models of the past by "Muth and Zulick" 17) RE: Osprey's Dolphin & Snipe Aces by Crawford Neil 18) RE: Osprey's Dolphin & Snipe Aces by Crawford Neil 19) How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? by bill anthony 20) re: Lewis drum stowage on Ni 11/16s by "stefenk" 21) RE: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? by Crawford Neil 22) re: Lewis drum stowage on Ni 11/16s by "Matt Bittner" 23) Re: Alb Dx rigging by "stefenk" 24) RE: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? by "Diego Fernetti" 25) Re: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? by "Lance Krieg" 26) RE: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? by "Lance Krieg" 27) RE: French Strutter quandries by Crawford Neil 28) Re: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? by bill anthony 29) Re: Use of foil: was: shiny side up by "Hans Trauner" 30) =?big5?Q?=B0=D1=A5[=AC=A1=B0=CA=A1B=C4=B9=A8=FA=C2=D7=B4I=BC=FA=AB~?= by myfriend007.com 31) Re: PE Spad cowling? by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:48:11 -0400 From: Jon To: WWl list Subject: Part 3 saga of the missing B.M. DH. 2 kit Message-ID: <003101c20b72$71f5b2e0$8c60a2ac@cc438405a> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_fbRpIPh6nz8+gyZujjSC+Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >From VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com And now for Part 2 of the saga Now to top it off Chris did not really like those dull brown & cream colors shown on the box and in the plans and as everyone knows real WW-l airplanes are what color????? Yes, he painted it------wait for it------"RED" EHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! and now wants to know if I have any of those neat black crosses like some of my other planes have. Jon --Boundary_(ID_fbRpIPh6nz8+gyZujjSC+Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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And now for Part 2 of the saga
Now to top it off Chris did not really like those dull brown & cream colors shown on the box and in the plans and as everyone knows real WW-l airplanes are what color????? Yes, he painted it------wait for it------"RED" EHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! and now wants to know if I have any of those neat black crosses like some of my other planes have.

Jon

--Boundary_(ID_fbRpIPh6nz8+gyZujjSC+Q)-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:49:13 -0400 From: Jon To: WWl list Subject: Part 4 Saga of the Missing B.M. DH.2 Kit Message-ID: <000001c20b72$c60fd9a0$8c60a2ac@cc438405a> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_tldGwFmG/tqs0388PELG9w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >From VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com Oh well I couldn't bring myself to be angry with him as he is just a budding modeler who wanted to surprise his favorite uncle, So all I could say (after pulling my tongue out of my throat) was great job Chris, it sure will look swell hanging in your bedroom (out of my sight). And also to please ask before taking any more kits from my shelves. Well, now I really do have to find another BM DH.2 for sure, any ideas where I might find one? Anyone else ever have something like this happen to them, Best regards, Jon --Boundary_(ID_tldGwFmG/tqs0388PELG9w) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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Oh well I couldn't bring myself to be angry with him as he is just a budding modeler who wanted to surprise his favorite uncle, So all I could say (after pulling my tongue out of my throat) was great job Chris, it sure will look swell hanging in your bedroom (out of my sight). And also to please ask before taking any more kits from my shelves. Well, now I really do have to find another BM DH.2 for sure, any ideas where I might find one? Anyone else ever have something like this happen to them,

Best regards,

Jon

--Boundary_(ID_tldGwFmG/tqs0388PELG9w)-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:22:21 -0700 From: Eric Hotz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: British Post WWI Aircraft in Africa (slightly OT) Message-ID: >Definitely NOT a Morane Eric. Go with your F2b for availability, DH9a if >feeling brave. These were the standard two seaters of the time. > >cheers > >Peter L I wasn't sure about the Morane-Saulnier Type "L", or any pre-WWI aircraft for that matter. I seem to recall that most aircraft used after the war were the left overs from the war, and I would have suspected that these would surpass any older types still in use. Thank you for your thoughts on this. I passed the information on to my friend. Take care... --- Eric Hotz +-----------------------------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ HOTZ ARTWORKS-ILLUSTRATION & DESIGN http://www.erichotz.com Phone: 604.619.6925 / e-mail: mailto:erichotz@direct.ca Address: Suite 110-19567 Fraser Hwy, Surrey, BC V3S 9A4 Canada The Larry Leadhead Comic Strip: http://www.larryleadhead.org +-----------------------------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ Those who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those doing it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:28:03 -0700 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: RE: French Strutter quandries Message-ID: <001d01c20b77$d5e71460$373819d0@f4hn201> <<>> <<>> Like most, I try and research as best I can, but if I had already painted the seat (based on my best knowledge) and closed up the fuselage I would not "start all over" again. I'd finish it. But then again, maybe that's why I actually do finish models! Dicta Ira applies!!!! ---------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:54:15 -0500 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Printing decals Message-ID: >ALPS printers used a technology that didn't rely on heat. That's not entirely correct - the ALPS print heads don't operate at as high a temperature as a laser printer's but they do rely on heat. Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 05:58:30 +0100 From: "Mrs.m.sese seko" To: wwi@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED Message-ID: <200206040458.AAA69734@mustang.sr.unh.edu> ATTN: PRESIDENT/CEO DEAR FRIEND, I AM MRS. SESE-SEKO WIDOW OF LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE? NOW KNOWN AS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC). I AM MOVED TO WRITE YOU THIS LETTER, THIS WAS IN CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING MY PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION. I ESCAPED ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO OF OUR SONS BENSON AND BASHER OUT OF DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC) TO ABIDJAN, COTE D'IVOIRE WHERE MY FAMILY AND I SETTLED, WHILE WE LATER MOVED TO SETTLED IN MORROCO WHERE MY HUSBAND LATER DIED OF CANCER DISEASE. HOWEVER DUE TO THIS SITUATION WE DECIDED TO CHANGED MOST OF MY HUSBAND'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEPOSITED IN SWISS BANK AND OTHER COUNTRIES INTO OTHER FORMS OF MONEY CODED FOR SAFE PURPOSE BECAUSE THE NEW HEAD OF STATE OF (DR) MR LAURENT KABILA HAS MADE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE SWISS GOVERNMENT AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO FREEZE ALL MY LATE HUSBAND'S TREASURES DEPOSITED IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. HENCE MY CHILDREN AND I DECIDED LAYING LOW IN AFRICA TO STUDY THE SITUATION TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER, LIKE NOW THAT PRESIDENT KABILA IS DEAD AND THE SON TAKING OVER (JOSEPH KABILA). ONE OF MY LATE HUSBAND'S CHATEAUX IN SOUTHERN FRANCE WAS CONFISCATED BY THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT, AND AS SUCH I HAD TO CHANGE MY IDENTITY SO THAT MY INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE TRACED AND CONFISCATED. I HAVE DEPOSITED THE SUM THIRTY MILLION UNITED STATE DOLLARS(US$30,000,000,00.) WITH A SECURITY COMPANY , FOR SAFEKEEPING. THE FUNDS ARE SECURITY CODED TO PREVENT THEM FROM KNOWING THE CONTENT. WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSIST US BY RECEIVING THE MONEY ON OUR BEHALF.ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MESSAGE, SO THAT I CAN INTRODUCE YOU TO MY SON (BENSON) WHO HAS THE OUT MODALITIES FOR THE CLAIM OF THE SAID FUNDS. I WANT YOU TO ASSIST IN INVESTING THIS MONEY, BUT I WILL NOT WANT MY IDENTITY REVEALED. I WILL ALSO WANT TO BUY PROPERTIES AND STOCK IN MULTI-NATIONAL COMPANIES AND TO ENGAGE IN OTHER SAFE AND NON-SPECULATIVE INVESTMENTS. MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASISE THE HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS, AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE, WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU. IN CONCLUSION, IF YOU WANT TO ASSIST US , MY SON SHALL PUT YOU IN THE PICTURE OF THE BUSINESS, TELL YOU WHERE THE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY BEING MAINTAINED AND ALSO DISCUSS OTHER MODALITIES INCLUDING REMUNERATION FOR YOUR SERVICES. FOR THIS REASON KINDLY FURNISH US YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION, THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER FOR CONFIDENTIAL PURPOSE. BEST REGARDS, MRS M. SESE SEKO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:19:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: New additions Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDF6C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt says: >I too added something new. >Tom Plesha is as crazy as Lance - maybe even crazier? :-) Actually, the additions to the gallery over the last month are *frequently* jaw dropping Sometimes I'm glad to be out of circulation, cos if I keep company with lunatics like Tom P and Dr Tom, Diego and DB, Alberto, Andreas, Paul T, ET, the prolific Bill Arnold and whoever I've forgotten (sorry) who have lightened my days over the last month I might do something silly myself...... Shane (Out of the Box WW2 Aircraft modeller....sigh) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:45:35 +0900 From: "Mordecai Sheftall" To: Subject: shiny side up Message-ID: <002501c20bac$98152c00$304f07d3@computer> Have you tried putting the adhesive on the shinny side and having the grain dull side up. This will work as long as you do nit burnish the with anything harder than a soft cloth. Any place where you have to apply a lot of pressure with a hard object will polish the foil to a high gloss. JP I like applying the adhesive to the matte side, because the glue spreads more evenly and smoothly on it. Little risk of puddling, etc., which is a perennial problem on the shiny side. The matte side, if you've noticed, is quite delicate under handling. It scratches easily, revealing shiny stuff underneath. Once this has happened to a piece, you have to scour all the rest of the matte off to balance it out. I really can't see much practical use for the shiny stuff as is unless you're doing rear view mirrors or oleo struts, so it really doesn't matter which side you lay face down. Whatever you're working with you'll be extensively reworking anyway, so... chaque a son gout, as Fonck would have put it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:11:18 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: New Models Message-ID: <008e01c20bb0$2b46b900$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Now that they're on the Gallery, I see my models more and more critically. Must be because they're in such superb company... Dr. Tom never cease to amaze me, Tom P. Lohner is even beyond my crazyness and Dave's Albatros are a beauty (and in the right scale as well!) Excellent work!!! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Wright > Several new additions have been made to the website, please check the > news page for details. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:22:38 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New Models Message-ID: Wow the Toms are really going crazy this spring, can't wait to see those two finished. Dave's and Paul Thompsons Albatri are also lovely, and even better, finished! I've already told Diego how much I like his Albatross, I think it's gorgeous. Well done all of you. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:26:48 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Part 4 Saga of the Missing B.M. DH.2 Kit Message-ID: <00fa01c20bb2$554589a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Jon! You sure sound like a patient, kind and proud uncle! Says a lot of you that you were able to take the hit with a smile. Never happened to me, but if I ever get into that situation, I wish I can react just the way you did... :-) Now see what Tom Morgan has done with his Blue Max DH2... He has a lot of spare parts for anyone who dares to scratchbuild wings. Kits can be bought or replaced, but I'm sure Chris and you will have this memory forever! Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon > Oh well I couldn't bring myself to be angry with him as he is just a budding modeler who wanted to surprise his favorite uncle, So all I could say (after pulling my tongue out of my throat) was great job Chris, it sure will look swell hanging in your bedroom (out of my sight). And also to please ask before taking any more kits from my shelves. Well, now I really do have to find another BM DH.2 for sure, any ideas where I might find one? Anyone else ever have something like this happen to them ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:27:41 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New additions Message-ID: I might do something silly > myself...... > > Shane > > (Out of the Box WW2 Aircraft modeller....sigh) > You've already done something silly, unsubbed! Sorry to rub it in, but we want you back:-) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:35:43 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: shiny side up Message-ID: This is something I've never thought of, I always have the dull side up (John) and try and keep it as dull as possible, but usually I polish so I only do aces and racer aeroplanes with foil, because they were probably polished in real life. Heres a good article about foiling: http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral/Foil.html /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:36:33 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New additions Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301B28301@TUFAO> Mr. Morgan :-0........... For that you should have not only the fingers chopped but also your toes. Fantastic... Pedro (in awe) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:22:21 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Osprey's Dolphin & Snipe Aces Message-ID: Just returned fromn a 19-day sojourn to England and Wales - and from attending my sister's wedding in London. Blew a huge load of money on Datafiles at the Aviation Bookshop. It wasn't so much the monetary cost but, my wife, having accompanied me on a trip down the Holloway Road - a somewhat rough looking area of North London, the real "Price" was a 4-hour visit to Kew Gardens two days after. Turned out that I liked that too but didn't let my wife know the full extent of my enjoyment. Anyway, enough of the autobiographical nonsense. I saw the Osprey book on Dolphin and Snipe Aces was released - anybody seen it and has something to say about it? Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:30:29 -0400 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: RE: models of the past Message-ID: <002801c20bcb$fee0b0c0$0100005a@ptd.net> I believe that was my first on topic kit also. I remember thinking at the time that I wanted to read about when the Red Baron escorted a Zepp! Mike Muth muzu@ptd.net 819 Ann Street Stroudsburg, PA 18360 570-424-5050 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Trauner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday,May 31,2002 4:49 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: models of the past > My very first WWI kit was Revell's Albatros in pure red. It was in 1964 and > I was seven. My uncle helped me to fix the upper wing. Decals were a problem > as they don't wanted to stick on pure unpainted plastic. And I still love > the box top painting with the Zeppelin above... > H. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:28:40 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Osprey's Dolphin & Snipe Aces Message-ID: Have you been away Michael? There's been this guy called Michael Kendix on the list the past week or two talking about P51 Mustangs an awful lot, he's been rather a nuisance, do you know anything about that? /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:34:13 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Osprey's Dolphin & Snipe Aces Message-ID: And heres the non-silly answer! Glad you're safe back and not too disappointed about 1-1 against Sweden, for me it's a perfect result. I looked at the Dolphin/Snipe book it looked very nice, but perhaps a little too much PC10 for my taste, and I couldnt afford it. Kew gardens is wonderful, that was a good bargain you made, did you get to the RAF museum? /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: bill anthony To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? Message-ID: <20020604135947.99202.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? Just wondering, I noticed in the Machi built N.11 pictures there is only one gauge (air speed?). But while looking over my 1/48 Eduard N.11 profi-pack this weekend, I noticed that it some how has a dashboard with three gauges in it??? This is obviously wrong, right? Also, just wondering too, if the one gauge is an air speed indicator, did’nt a N.11 have a compass some where? How did the pilot know what direction he was going? Thanks, Bill Anthony __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:56:59 -0400 From: "stefenk" To: "WWI Modeling List" Subject: re: Lewis drum stowage on Ni 11/16s Message-ID: Good morning, BP-- Thanks for the reply. It's interesting. A reply to this query on The Aerodrome pointed me in the direction of Nieuport Fighters Special, Vol. 1. Photo 87 shows an inside shelf, accommodating two drums, apparently hung from brackets on the front of the fuel tank. So a choice of set-ups appears to be supported by photos. I wonder whether these solutions are British and French, respectively. Best wishes, Stefen _______ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:11:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" "C&C(GB) 19/2 has a great photo of external drum storage on a RNAS Nieuport 11. There is a box that can hold three drums below the cockpit on the starboard side, similar to the ones fitted to the DH2 for two drums. " ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:06:53 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? Message-ID: 3 would be normal air-speed, rev-counter and compass. More is luxury, less means somebody broke in and pinched them. Seriously though they often seem to have removed the instruments after flights. Maybe they didn't have enough to go round? /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:07:27 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: re: Lewis drum stowage on Ni 11/16s Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:05:16 -0400 (EDT), stefenk wrote: > Thanks for the reply. It's interesting. A reply to this query on The > Aerodrome pointed me in the direction of Nieuport Fighters Special, Vol. 1. > Photo 87 shows an inside shelf, accommodating two drums, apparently hung > from brackets on the front of the fuel tank. So a choice of set-ups > appears to be supported by photos. I wonder whether these solutions are > British and French, respectively. There's an excellent photo of Chateu Johnson of N.124 with a three-drum holder on the starboard side of the fuselage. I honestly think it depended on the pilot, and wasn't due to what air force they flew with. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:05:06 -0400 From: "stefenk" To: "WWI Modeling List" Subject: Re: Alb Dx rigging Message-ID: G;day, sp-- Thanks for the reminder. It's always good to avail oneself of the pleasures of these master drawings. However, I found a careful look through NASM's "Albatros D.Va" yielded a photo on p. 42 with the clearest view of the fitting(s) at the wing root. Best, Stefen ______ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:52:10 -0400 From: Steven Perry Subject: Re: Alb Dx rigging Stef: Check Mark Millers structural images at: http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Albatros/index.html hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:13:11 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? Message-ID: <00e501c20bd1$f7058640$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Bill! > How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? Is not known with accuracy, as there are different manufacturers and even each pilot had their personal preferences. > Just wondering, I noticed in the Machi built N.11 > pictures there is only one gauge (air speed?). Probably a tachometer. Rotary engines also had an Oil pulsator, that looks like a small glass blister and probably an oil tank gauge and a fuel level gauge (a glass tube connected with the tank in fron tof the pilot. Airspeed and altimeter probably were added, but maybe they were considered as extras in those adventurous days. > while looking over my 1/48 Eduard N.11 profi-pack this > weekend, I noticed that it some how has a dashboard > with three gauges in it??? This is obviously wrong, > right? No, they may have it. > Also, just wondering too, if the one gauge is an air > speed indicator, did'nt a N.11 have a compass some > where? How did the pilot know what direction he was > going? Given the limited range of the patrols, sometimes not all pilots carried compasses to navigate, they relied much upon maps and ground recognition to navigate. Eventually all the instruments were included in cockpit as experience dictated. HTH D. PS: thanks for the warm words, Bill! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:17:01 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? Message-ID: Bill asks: "How many gauges in a Nieuport 11?" And since I'm unexpectedly at work instead of on the road, I'll assay an answer. I do not believe one can be too dogmatic about any of the various gauges in any early plane, as it was a simple matter to clip additional ones to the airframe, or construct a board in which to mount them. For what it's worth, I believe almost any plane would carry a rev counter or tachometer, and any rotary-engined plane would have an oil pulsometer. After that, anything else can be considered optional, including a compass. When researching the N.17, I discovered a number of photos of different Nieuports of various marks, and almost all of them varied considerably. I ended up adding an altimeter and an airspeed indicator. These I attached to the longerons and other framing members, and did not build an instrument panel. I also included a floor-mounted compass. As far as a N.11 is concerned, even more latitude is permissable, IMHO, so you can use what Eduard provided or follow Ira's dicta. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:19:55 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? Message-ID: Ooops... by the time I'd typed an answer and posted it, that hard-working Argentinian had scooped me. Well, at least our answers agreed! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:49:43 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: French Strutter quandries Message-ID: Matt asks: > Okay, now what do I do about my model? I have the fuselage all > closed up, and the kit's molded-on wicker seat is all painted and > everything. Do I try to work that seat out and replace it? Or > just say "Dicta Ira" and continue? > Finish it, blue seats are for kindergartens, real Sopwiths have wicker seats! Honestly just because present research say's blue and open bomb-bays (or was it the other way around) it doesn't mean that it's certain, in two years time there may be a new trend, blue seats are out, wicker seats are in. Also as many have pointed out, individual aircraft varied. So don't even think about it, just carry on. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bill anthony To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: How many gauges in a Nieuport 11? Message-ID: <20020604145145.73590.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, So let me get this straight. You can not actually say for sure what gauges in a N.11 because pilots would add or detract guages as they like? Oh man, building WWI planes just got harder!!! Diego, keep working on that time machine! Guess I will just follow what most everyone else does, One guage for now. Bill Anthony --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Bill asks: > > "How many gauges in a Nieuport 11?" > > And since I'm unexpectedly at work instead of on the > road, I'll assay > an answer. > > I do not believe one can be too dogmatic about any > of the various > gauges in any early plane, as it was a simple matter > to clip additional > ones to the airframe, or construct a board in which > to mount them. > > For what it's worth, I believe almost any plane > would carry a rev > counter or tachometer, and any rotary-engined plane > would have an oil > pulsometer. After that, anything else can be > considered optional, > including a compass. > > When researching the N.17, I discovered a number of > photos of different > Nieuports of various marks, and almost all of them > varied considerably. > I ended up adding an altimeter and an airspeed > indicator. These I > attached to the longerons and other framing members, > and did not build > an instrument panel. I also included a > floor-mounted compass. > > As far as a N.11 is concerned, even more latitude is > permissable, IMHO, > so you can use what Eduard provided or follow Ira's > dicta. > > Lance > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:06:29 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Use of foil: was: shiny side up Message-ID: <008f01c20bd9$67ff7980$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> I did not follow the complete thread, so please excuse when I am telling Blödsinn: For all metallic surfaces I am using Bare Metal Foil. No fuzz with glueing! The glue on this foil works perfect and is lasting now for years. I used it first time around 5 years ago and the foil is still there where it has to be. Usually I am using standard high gloss chrome foil. I am toning it down with steel whool ( several grades; availably at woodworker's store) when the foil is still on the backing sheet. I have semi-matt foils also, but I am not fully convinced. 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