WWI Digest 4455

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: PE Spad cowling?
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
  2) RE: PE Spad cowling?
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  3) RE: PE Spad cowling?
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  4) RE: PE Spad cowling?
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
  5) RE: PE Spad cowling?
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  6) Re: Models of the Past
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  7) Re: Awesome SPAD 12
	by Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
  8) Re: PE Spad cowling?
	by Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
  9) foil techniques
	by "Mordecai Sheftall" <bucky@tokai.or.jp>
 10) Re: Play Doh
	by "David C. Fletcher" <dcf@mars.ark.com>
 11) ot 15th US Ariforce Query
	by "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
 12) RE: PE Spad cowling?
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 13) French Strutter quandries
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 14) RE: French Strutter quandries
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
 15) Re: foil techniques
	by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins)
 16) Re: French Strutter quandries
	by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins)
 17) Re: scratchin', foilin'
	by Steve Cox <steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>
 18) New Models
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 19) Site updated too
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 20) British Post WWI Aircraft in Africa (slightly OT)
	by Eric Hotz <erichotz@direct.ca>
 21) Re: British Post WWI Aircraft in Africa (slightly OT)
	by PetersList@aol.com
 22) 业务合作
	by renben0616@sina.com
 23) Re: British Post WWI Aircraft in Africa (slightly OT)
	by Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
 24) Re: Site updated too
	by Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 25) RE: models of the past
	by Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 26) RE: Stockholm pics, and thanks , wasRE: Awesome SPAD 12
	by Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 27) Re: Site updated too
	by "Pedro Soares" <pnsoares@netcabo.pt>
 28) One More Update
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 29) Re: One More Update
	by Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
 30) Part 1, missing BM DH.2 kit
	by Jon <jvt7532@comcast.net>
 31) part 2 Saga of the Missing B.M. DH.2 kit
	by Jon <jvt7532@comcast.net>

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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:33:24 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: PE Spad cowling?
Message-ID: <E17EryC-0007ZR-00@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:35:51 -0400 (EDT), Crawford Neil wrote:

> I think its been mentioned before, but these cry 
> out for photo-etching, how about it Part and others.

I completely agree.  I had this headache with my HD.3 and while
luckily I could find something, it would have been nice to have
something more readily available.  The model rr louvers I used on
the HD.3 are - to my knowledge - out of production.

Another model that has excellent molded-on louvers is the
Choroszy Salmson 2.A2.  Sweet!

Oh, and thanks for the good word, Neil. :-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:50:56 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: PE Spad cowling?
Message-ID: <001f01c20b05$b005b020$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Neil!
Thanks for the warm words. Hope to send the images later today.
Yes, those cheek covers are an annoying detail, and I even tought on taking
them off completely and make the holes. But this would involve a rather
complex interior detailing, something beyond the scope of this
"restoration". Besides that, the cheek louvers are not worst than those on
the chin of the fuselage. Changing them all is something that deserve a
Rosemont resin casting (wink-wink)
The Spad recessed louvres are a nightmare, since they're not shaped as a
half moon (something I'd dare to attempt) but they're like small rectangular
"D" wich I guess that would be done with a small ad-hoc tool over a soft
putty surface.
D.
Louvre lover

----- Original Message -----
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:35 AM
Subject: [WWI] PE Spad cowling?


>
>  Just been looking at some of Diegos latest work, and I can
> say that the gallery is in for a treat.
> One of the things D is building is an Academy Spad, it's
> looking very good, except for one thing, those darn oval
> covers with louvres on. They are awful on that kit, and in
> fact awful on the Pegasus Spad 12, they are the worst thing
> on my model. They are a little better on the Revell kit.
> the only good ones I've seen are on Matts Aistah Aigh (sp?)
> which is Czechmaster. I think its been mentioned before,
> but these cry out for photo-etching, how about it Part and
> others.
> Oh and talking of louvres, I saw that Anders Bruun had carved out
> individual louvres on a model, so it can be done. He etched straight
> lines in a pattern, then carved a rounded slice from each louvre,
> really neat.
> /Neil C.
>


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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:22:46 +0200 
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: PE Spad cowling?
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A077E0039@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

D:
 Yes, those cheek covers are an annoying detail, and I even 
> tought on taking
> them off completely and make the holes. But this would 
> involve a rather
> complex interior detailing, something beyond the scope of this
> "restoration".

I did this on both 2-seat Spads, it's really quite easy compared
to trying to correct the covers. I think all you need to do on this
one, being a restoration, is to tone down the outer frames if possible.

/Neil C (louvre hater) 

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:29:02 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: PE Spad cowling?
Message-ID: <004001c20b0b$025a18c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Neil
You mean tone them down with paint or just sanding the edges?
D.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: [WWI] RE: PE Spad cowling?


> D:
>  Yes, those cheek covers are an annoying detail, and I even 
> > tought on taking
> > them off completely and make the holes. But this would 
> > involve a rather
> > complex interior detailing, something beyond the scope of this
> > "restoration".
> 
> I did this on both 2-seat Spads, it's really quite easy compared
> to trying to correct the covers. I think all you need to do on this
> one, being a restoration, is to tone down the outer frames if possible.
> 
> /Neil C (louvre hater) 
> 


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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:30:41 +0200 
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: PE Spad cowling?
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A077E003A@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

I didn't specify which, but those are both good suggestions;-)
/Neil C

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar]
> Sent: den 3 juni 2002 16:29
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: [WWI] RE: PE Spad cowling?
> 
> 
> Neil
> You mean tone them down with paint or just sanding the edges?
> D.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:24 AM
> Subject: [WWI] RE: PE Spad cowling?
> 
> 
> > D:
> >  Yes, those cheek covers are an annoying detail, and I even 
> > > tought on taking
> > > them off completely and make the holes. But this would 
> > > involve a rather
> > > complex interior detailing, something beyond the scope of this
> > > "restoration".
> > 
> > I did this on both 2-seat Spads, it's really quite easy compared
> > to trying to correct the covers. I think all you need to do on this
> > one, being a restoration, is to tone down the outer frames 
> if possible.
> > 
> > /Neil C (louvre hater) 
> > 
> 

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:32:16 +0200 
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Models of the Past
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A077E003B@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

It is as we suspected, you really are from another planet!
/Neil C.

 Old times. Ships were all silver, all windows alighted. We 
> traveled space 
> and time and were happy distributing life-starting spores on 
> promising 
> planets. Then that fateful day...
> Landing as usual in that blue planet, third from a mediocre 
> star. Lots of 
> water. I was dumping some single cell organisms and protozoos 
> in the sea 
> water when I watched something protruding from the smoltering 
> terrain on the 
> coast. It was a little plastic bag, a header with the words 
> "Airfix" and 
> lilac parts to build an Albatros D.V
> I was so intrigued that I left the ship to take a good look 
> at it and I got 
> so enthused with such a novel item that started building it 
> immediatly (you 
> know, there's not much to be distracted on a lifeless planet).
> I was so concentrated on building the model that the 
> automatic takeoff timer 
> of my spaceship activated and left without me. I searched a 
> cave and kept 
> building the model. I guess I'll finish it one of these days.
> D.
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: 
> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> 

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:39:16 +0200 
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Awesome SPAD 12
Message-ID: <E1E573FB5D0AD41195CF00508BCF882A077E003C@vsegn335.it.volvo.se>

Thanks G, yes I'm sure Fonck was a commie! 
I think that early Spad 12's had rounded wing-tips like early Spad 13's,
but this is a late model, they updated even the Spad 12 despite it 
being a "special". Fonck had 2 of them, this is his second.
I will gladly admit that I have no idea how rounded the wingtips 
should be on the "square-tipped" Spad 12's, Ray gave a hint in Windsock
that there are new ideas about this. Due to that I rounded mine off a 
little extra, but it's still a square-tipped Spad.
/Neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grzegorz Mazurowski [mailto:Grzegorz_Mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl]
> Sent: den 2 juni 2002 23:23
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: [WWI] Re: Awesome SPAD 12
> 
> 
> Now for Neil:
> Boy, what a model!!!
> BTW, it's the only Soviet SPAD XII I think ;-)
> 
> About the wingtips, some old Polish drawings show it as 
> rounded as in early
> XIIIs.
> 
> G.
> 

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:41:22 -0400
From: Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: PE Spad cowling?
Message-ID: <200206031041.22924.larrym@sympatico.ca>


> One of the things D is building is an Academy Spad, it's
> looking very good, except for one thing, those darn oval

Diego, have you done anything to reduce the extreme ribs molding on the 
wings?  If so, what?  It looks to me that if I were to sand them off on 
both side I'd have almost no wing left :-)

> covers with louvres on. They are awful on that kit, and in
> fact awful on the Pegasus Spad 12, 

That oval ridge around each panel is the new, improved version to keep the 
oil from spreading out to the rest of the fuselage if the engine starts 
leaking badly :-)

Cheers --- Larry

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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:07:47 +0900
From: "Mordecai Sheftall" <bucky@tokai.or.jp>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: foil techniques
Message-ID: <000a01c20b10$6c415b40$374f07d3@computer>

Yes, as I point out in the article, foil "as is" is way too shiny to appear
realistic. For dulling purposes, you have several options:

- fine steel wool will realistically "grain" the metal as well as cut down
on the funhouse mirror effect. Do this BEFORE the Future base coat needed
for decal adhesion goes on.
- staining with oils over Future base coat can both fine tune reflectivity
as well give subtly different tonal effects to different panels. This looks
really cool on jet (see www.geocities.com/msheftall/f104.html), but I wonder
how it would go with OT?
- last but not least, bust out the trusty flat clear and give light
oversprays on your Future until you get the desired effect.

After a while you get a "system" down and find what works for you (usually
after several disasters). Personally, I use all three of the techniques
listed above.

Bucky


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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 09:21:37 -0700
From: "David C. Fletcher" <dcf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Play Doh
Message-ID: <3CFB9791.7050904@mars.ark.com>

I'm still waiting for the recipe for Play Doh from the friend of mine, 
but those interested need wait no longer!

Using <http://www.google.com>, search for - "play doh" recipes - there 
are plenty to choose from, but most are very similar, just colouring 
being added to some.  The ones I checked were all in 'English measures', 
but the international community on this list is sufficiently skilled in 
converting odd numbers that should not be a problem.

I can imagine the incredulous looks from wives as husbands troop out of 
the modelling room and into the kitchen and announce, "I'm gonna make 
some Play Doh."

Dave Fletcher


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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:16:39 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg" <lance.krieg@amerus.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: ot 15th US Ariforce Query
Message-ID: <scfb5022.006@mail1-fs.amerus.com>

Forgive the ot, but I'm tryting to track down the tail codes for B-17s
of the 49 Bomb Squadron, 2nd BG, 15 AF in Italy.

Off-list, of course, and I am NOT building an ot model; it's an
accommodation for a friend.

Can anyone steer me the right way?

TIA,

Lance

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:11:10 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: PE Spad cowling?
Message-ID: <003501c20b21$a8f74980$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Hey Neil!
Another nuisance in the cowl area is that the model has a cross section that
is different from the real machine, thus erasing any detail there will cause
to make these discrepancies more evident. I however replaced the
undernourished "horns" on the top, since they had a lousy fit with the
cowling piece, were poorly cast and finally, because when I was
dissasembling the thingie I shaved one of them with a knife.
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: [WWI] RE: PE Spad cowling?


> I didn't specify which, but those are both good suggestions;-)
> /Neil C
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar]
> > Sent: den 3 juni 2002 16:29
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: [WWI] RE: PE Spad cowling?
> >
> >
> > Neil
> > You mean tone them down with paint or just sanding the edges?
> > D.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford@volvo.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:24 AM
> > Subject: [WWI] RE: PE Spad cowling?
> >
> >
> > > D:
> > >  Yes, those cheek covers are an annoying detail, and I even
> > > > tought on taking
> > > > them off completely and make the holes. But this would
> > > > involve a rather
> > > > complex interior detailing, something beyond the scope of this
> > > > "restoration".
> > >
> > > I did this on both 2-seat Spads, it's really quite easy compared
> > > to trying to correct the covers. I think all you need to do on this
> > > one, being a restoration, is to tone down the outer frames
> > if possible.
> > >
> > > /Neil C (louvre hater)
> > >
> >
>


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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:11:08 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: French Strutter quandries
Message-ID: <E17EvMt-0007R1-00@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Turns out we know *less* about French Strutters than before.  It
appears the pilot's seat was made out of aluminum - painted
*blue* - with a leather seat cushion.  I'm also trying to track
down something about French single-seaters, and that's with some
piping that appears in a photo or two that looks like it connects
areas in front of the pilot, with areas behind the pilot.

Okay, now what do I do about my model?  I have the fuselage all
closed up, and the kit's molded-on wicker seat is all painted and
everything.  Do I try to work that seat out and replace it?  Or
just say "Dicta Ira" and continue?

It also appears that the areas where the bombs are - on
single-seaters at least - are "open" and don't have "bomb doors"
like you find on the British machines.  If you're wondering what
I mean, take a look at the Memorial Flight photos of the SPAD 13
and it's "bomb bay" (for lack of a better term).

Right now I'm tempted to find another Flashback Strutter and
start all over.  The one I've started has the fuselage just about
finished, so it would be difficult to add everything and change
the seat.  Argh!!!


Matt Bittner



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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:26:52 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: French Strutter quandries
Message-ID: <006301c20b23$d9c4a7e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Matt
As with restorations, you should look at your models as a product of the
best information available. I'd left the seat and bomb doors as they are,
because you risk to ruin the work you've done until now, and mostly because
you will still have to build another Strutter once this one is finished.
Besides, who knows if this pilot wouldn't have preferred a wicker seat and a
more streamlined bomb release mechanism? Remember that in WW1
standarisations was still in its infancy!
Sounds strange, but a light blue aluminium seat seems plausible since the
NASM caudron metal parts -even internals- were finished in that colour.
Now the nieuport metal parts that we think as painted grey... would have
been in fact light blue?
D.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Bittner <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: [WWI] French Strutter quandries


> Turns out we know *less* about French Strutters than before.  It
> appears the pilot's seat was made out of aluminum - painted
> *blue* - with a leather seat cushion.  I'm also trying to track
> down something about French single-seaters, and that's with some
> piping that appears in a photo or two that looks like it connects
> areas in front of the pilot, with areas behind the pilot.
>
> Okay, now what do I do about my model?  I have the fuselage all
> closed up, and the kit's molded-on wicker seat is all painted and
> everything.  Do I try to work that seat out and replace it?  Or
> just say "Dicta Ira" and continue?
>
> It also appears that the areas where the bombs are - on
> single-seaters at least - are "open" and don't have "bomb doors"
> like you find on the British machines.  If you're wondering what
> I mean, take a look at the Memorial Flight photos of the SPAD 13
> and it's "bomb bay" (for lack of a better term).
>
> Right now I'm tempted to find another Flashback Strutter and
> start all over.  The one I've started has the fuselage just about
> finished, so it would be difficult to add everything and change
> the seat.  Argh!!!
>
>
> Matt Bittner
>
>


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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:29:23 -0500
From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins)
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: foil techniques
Message-ID: <a05111700b9215735feb9@[192.168.1.101]>

>Yes, as I point out in the article, foil "as is" is way too shiny to appear
>realistic. For dulling purposes, you have several options:
>
Have you tried putting the adhesive on the shinny side and having the 
grain dull side up.  This will work as long as you do nit burnish the 
with anything harder than a soft cloth. Any place where you have to 
apply a lot of pressure with a hard object will polish the foil to a 
high gloss.
JP

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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:55:26 -0500
From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins)
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: French Strutter quandries
Message-ID: <a05111701b9215ad2d76c@[192.168.1.101]>

Matt,
Just a thought.  If you hadn't said anything, how many people besides 
yourself would have known about the seat or the piping.  If you are 
entering it in a contest, what you have done is judged, not how 
accurate it is unless you provide pictures as backup.

99 percent of the people who see my models have no idea what I have 
added or taken away from the kit, how accurate it is, or for that 
part, even really care.

Finish this one, and make the changes on the next and future one.

Any way, the one you are building now had the wicker seat added 
because the pilot had hip problems and could not sit an a metal chair 
for more than 30 minutes with out his legs cramping up.  This would 
have made it impossible to fly the machine. He also did not like the 
water cooling system for the guns so he had it removed, along with 
all of the piping.  He never fired long enough bursts for the breach 
to over heat, and the reduction of the 165 lbs of water gave him an 
extra 5 knots of air speed.  Now you can justify this one.

Besides, this is a hobby, you are suppose to enjoy it, not get ulcers 
because all the bits aren't 100 percent perfect or it has 1 too many 
stitches in each rib lacing.

JP

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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:57:18 +0100
From: Steve Cox <steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: scratchin', foilin'
Message-ID: <B92169CD.E67A%steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>

Bucky wrote:
> Great ideas, Steve...Of course, I'd have to scratchbuild the planes before I
> could foil them!
> 
> 
No problem for a man of your calibre
Steve
-- 


> From: "Mordecai Sheftall" <bucky@tokai.or.jp>
> Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:46:38 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: [WWI] scratchin', foilin'
> 
> LFG V19 Putbus was all duralamin, or maybe you'd like to attempt one of the
> late war Zeppelin Staaken designs, they were all duralamin as well The
> Dornier flying boats had duralamin hulls.
> 
> Lots of choice  :-)
> 
> Steve
> 


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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: wwi
Subject: New Models
Message-ID: <200206031920.PAA62032@mustang.sr.unh.edu>

Several new additions have been made to the website, please check the
news page for details.

Allan

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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:21:27 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Site updated too
Message-ID: <E17EzH8-0002G5-00@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

I too added something new.

Tom Plesha is as crazy as Lance - maybe even crazier? :-)  Check
out his jaw-dropping, in progress Lohner B.II.


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Page
Assistant Editor



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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:55:24 -0700
From: Eric Hotz <erichotz@direct.ca>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: British Post WWI Aircraft in Africa (slightly OT)
Message-ID: <p04330101b92194efdd51@[24.77.79.102]>

Hello to all,

A friend of mine is putting together a 25mm scale miniatures display 
for an upcoming convention.  He's into miniatures in a big way and 
has a large collection of Colonial period miniatures.  This year he 
wants to put together a display showing British Colonial troops in 
central Africa around 1920-22 and wants to know what aircraft were 
the British using in their "not so important" colonial areas.  I 
thought the Brisfit was used in most places, but he feels this is too 
late of an aircraft and was leaning more towards the Morane-Saulnier 
Type L aircraft in 1/48th scale (scratch built or plastic kit -- if 
possible).  He wants a two-seater type aircraft for his display if 
possible.

What was the typical British aircraft for these regions at this time, 
or was is a hodgepodge of types?


Take care...

---

Eric Hotz

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:21:14 EDT
From: PetersList@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: British Post WWI Aircraft in Africa (slightly OT)
Message-ID: <cd.18679f0e.2a2d45da@aol.com>

Definitely NOT a Morane Eric. Go with your F2b for availability, DH9a if 
feeling brave. These were the standard two seaters of the time.

cheers

Peter L

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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:51:15 -0400
From: Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: British Post WWI Aircraft in Africa (slightly OT)
Message-ID: <200206031851.15214.larrym@sympatico.ca>


> A friend of mine is putting together a 25mm scale miniatures display

> central Africa around 1920-22 and wants to know what aircraft were
> the British using in their "not so important" colonial areas.  I
> thought the Brisfit was used in most places, but he feels this is too
> late of an aircraft and was leaning more towards the Morane-Saulnier
> Type L aircraft 

Uhm..I don't think many Brit pilots would be too interested in going up in a 
Morane-L after spending WWI flying Pups, Camels and SE5s.  I would think 
the later would be most appropriate by 1920-22.  If you want a 2-seater, 
maybe a DH-9.

Cheers --- Larry



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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:39:02 -0400
From: Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Site updated too
Message-ID: <3CFBFE16.7020907@tampabay.rr.com>


> Tom Plesha is as crazy as Lance - maybe even crazier? :-)  Check
> out his jaw-dropping, in progress Lohner B.II.

His keepers have obviously been slacking. Of course, as many of us know, 
  it's easy to palm a #11 blade to hack your way out as they drag you 
from the modeling bench and put the straight jacket back on.

Oh when will the mental health professionals realise that modeling is a 
cure and not a symptom?
sp



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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:54:59 -0400
From: Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: models of the past
Message-ID: <3CFC01D3.30703@tampabay.rr.com>

 
>>as they slop gluie fingerprints on 
>>styrene and wipe the resultant mess on the legs of their pants.
>>
> 
> Did a lot of that too, mum didn't like it!
> /Neil C.

IIRC that would be a classic understatement. We kinda, sorta worked it 
to a draw, Mom never quit making an issue of it, but as long as I didn't 
mess up any school pants, she never carried out any of her threats. 
"Breaking in" a new pair of jeans was always a sticky wicket though.
sp


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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:59:27 -0400
From: Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: Stockholm pics, and thanks , wasRE: Awesome SPAD 12
Message-ID: <3CFC02DF.4090406@tampabay.rr.com>


>>Also don't miss Best in show, the World War One U-boat.
>>Per-Olav Lunds diorama is outstanding.
>>
> 
> It's so well done that it has left me speechless. 



Yuh
sp


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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:16:11 +0100
From: "Pedro Soares" <pnsoares@netcabo.pt>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Site updated too
Message-ID: <003901c20b5d$089f0ae0$f57216d5@netcabo.pt>

Gee.... Diego did finish 2 kits......and that DI really deserves a finger
chopping session too. Can you use the chopper on yourself, amigo, or do you
need help from someone else... maybe you could call Martin, since he's the
one closest to you...

Well done Diego. And you even managed to force Roden to spare us from having
to go your way to get a DI....

As to you Tom, now that Diego will be finger chopped, he really has to find
someone to carry on his work. What a stunning piece of modeling...

Thanks for sharing guys,

Pedro


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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:15:06 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: One More Update
Message-ID: <E17F2vG-0003fB-00@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Tom Morgan sent in new images of his in-progress DH2.

Wow!


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Page
Assistant Editor



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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:19:30 -0400
From: Steven Perry <sperry03@tampabay.rr.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: One More Update
Message-ID: <3CFC23B2.7060004@tampabay.rr.com>



Matt Bittner wrote:

> Tom Morgan sent in new images of his in-progress DH2.
> 
> Wow!

OK Tom, just how long have you been holding out on us? Where'd you get 
the Star Trek replicator? Can you access pattern files for other OT 
aircraft?, Tanks? Vehicles? Ships? Zeppelins? Can you replicate Voss' 
cowl color? Can you replicate fingers? I hope so, cause you're gonna 
need 'em when the mad Argie comes a knockin' an a choppin'.

Just stunning!

So snap up the pace a bit, we want to see MORE
sp


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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:47:01 -0400
From: Jon <jvt7532@comcast.net>
To: WWl list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Part 1, missing BM DH.2 kit
Message-ID: <002901c20b72$3a77c420$8c60a2ac@cc438405a>

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Well fellow listees, I have tonight finally found out just where my missing Blue Max DH.2 went! I started to think I was going crazy, I knew I had this kit. The story is this.
      My nephew Chris who is 10 has been after me for some time now to let him build a WW-l plane. So I have been shaping his modeling skills a bit with some cheap models of cars and jets and Golden era Airfix kits and had made a promised to him that I would give him something off my shelf that he would really like, when he was ready. 

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DH.2 went! I started to think I was going crazy, I knew I had this kit. The 
story is this.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My nephew Chris who is 10 has 
been after me for some time now to let him build a WW-l plane. So I have been 
shaping his modeling skills a bit with some cheap models of cars and jets and 
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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:47:45 -0400
From: Jon <jvt7532@comcast.net>
To: WWl list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: part 2 Saga of the Missing B.M. DH.2 kit
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Well, it occurred to him that he wanted to surprise me with his new skills and wanted something big and something that I really liked like pusher aircraft, and since I had two of these same type airplane kits he would build one to surprise me on how great his modeling skills have progressed. Oh why oh why couldn't he have taken the SMER DH.2 kit that was sitting on top of the Blue Max kit?
                                                                      Jon

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<DIV>Well, it occurred to him that he wanted to surprise me with his new skills 
and wanted something big and something that I really liked like pusher aircraft, 
and since I had two of these same type airplane kits he would build one to 
surprise me on how great his modeling skills have progressed. Oh why oh why 
couldn't he have taken the SMER DH.2 kit that was sitting on top of the Blue Max 
kit?</DIV>
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