WWI Digest 4453 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Lewis drum stowage on Ni 11/16s & Ball's A126? by "Bob Pearson" 2) June Internet Modeler by "Bob Pearson" 3) RE: models of the past (and one other thing) by Paul Thompson 4) Re: June Internet Modeler by "Bob Pearson" 5) Re: Awesome SPAD 12 by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 6) RE: models of the past by "David C. Fletcher" 7) Re: Seems that a certain lady model maker is having a birthday... by "NEIL EDDY" 8) Re: Seems that a certain lady model maker is having a by "Bob Pearson" 9) Re: Seems that a certain lady model maker is having a by "NEIL EDDY" 10) Re: Dorme & Guiguet book by Morg17ms@aol.com 11) Re: Awesome SPAD 12 by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 12) Re: June Internet Modeler by Larry Marshall 13) Contrail struts by "Jamie Gagnon" 14) foiled again by "Mordecai Sheftall" 15) solvent glues by Larry Marshall 16) craft paint follow up by Larry Marshall 17) Re: solvent glues by "David C. Fletcher" 18) Re: solvent glues by Larry Marshall 19) Ni27 engine cowling retaining strip by "Alberto Casirati" 20) ★最大华文广告作品网站★ by "RGB" 21) Re: foiled again by Steve Cox 22) Old Models by "David Vosburgh" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:11:17 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lewis drum stowage on Ni 11/16s & Ball's A126? Message-ID: <102294924601@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> C&C(GB) 19/2 has a great photo of external drum storage on a RNAS Nieuport 11. There is a box that can hold three drums below the cockpit on the starboard side, similar to the ones fitted to the DH2 for two drums. Bob ---------- >From: "stefenk" > G'day, again, > > CiTARs (combat reports) of Ball and others indicte there must have been > room for at least 1 additional ammo drum for a reload on the "Bebe.". No > interior view I have seen shows an ammo rack. Documented positioning or > suggestions welcome. > > Best wishes to all, > Stefen > > PS. Poor photos of Albert Ball's Ni 16 A126 appear to show it was marked > with little eyes above the breather tubes in the manner of ancient Greek > warships. Has everyone noted this previously or am I just seeing things? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 01:40:28 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <102292085601@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Hi all, The June Internet Modeler is now posted. There are two OT builds - Sanjeev Hirve builds Tomasz G's Lewis gun kit, and Neil Crawford kitbashes the Pegasus SPAD XII and a Revell XIII to create a XII. Grzegorz Mazurowski reviews some resin kits while ... wait for it. ... Shane the Younger actually built something. ... granted I did ask him about it over 4 years ago. .. Regards, Bob Pearson Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:46:25 +0200 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: models of the past (and one other thing) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601183812.00a42530@pop.xs4all.nl> Hey, the Avro 504k was the ONLY one of my childhood models to survive more or less intact to the present day - except the entire upper wing. The undercarriage was unscathed. Also the first model I ever rigged (with dark brown HSP, scaled telegraph pole thickness). Thanks to all who commented on my recent work BTW. I seldom reciprocate since everything everyone else puts up on the site is way out of my league, and I stand mostly in awe. In regard to the recent thread on suitability of PE for various applications, I must just say that with the Airmo Albatros it seems that Part have mostly pitched it about right - what you see of their PE interior is quite convincing, and the other bits they supply are much more delicate than the alternatives, even should someone like Tamiya enter the game (eg. the parabellum and the seats/fuel tank). Paul T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 10:00:42 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <102295085901@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Geez. . I posted this 9 hours ago. .... Bob ---------- >From: "Bob Pearson" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] June Internet Modeler >Date: Sat, Jun 1, 2002, 9:47 am > > Hi all, > > The June Internet Modeler is now posted. There are two OT builds - Sanjeev > Hirve builds Tomasz G's Lewis gun kit, and Neil Crawford kitbashes the > Pegasus SPAD XII and a Revell XIII to create a XII. Grzegorz Mazurowski > reviews some resin kits while ... wait for it. ... Shane the Younger > actually built something. ... granted I did ask him about it over 4 years > ago. .. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Managing Editor / Internet Modeler > http://www.internetmodeler.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 19:07:35 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Awesome SPAD 12 Message-ID: <019301c2098e$d5f1e100$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Diego wrote: > Grzes wrote terse reviews of his Luedemanns. Gosh I envy him. What means "terse"? Something with "inTERESting"? Don't envy, write about your Lohner Floh, or at least Albie D.II. > on a cloudy, wet winter morning here in the lower area The same here, but it's a late spring :-( G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 10:30:06 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: models of the past Message-ID: <3CF9049E.1020202@mars.ark.com> My oldest "OT" plastic kit, IIRC, was the Aurora D.H.10A. And now, forty-plus years later, there is one on the workbench - unlike Diego, not the same one unfinished! I also built and (briefly) flew the Guillows S.E.5A and Dr.1. The flak towers in the basement (holding up the floor) took a heavy toll of those early aviators. During the 'sixties, for a brief period I built 1/48th-1/50th faster than the model companies could produce them and resorted to the Revell and Airfix 1/72nd WWI series just to keep building. They were readily available and cheap in the base PX, whereas the only hobby shop stocking "my scale" was 35 miles away. As a footnote to history and the hundreds of models which have passed through my hands (and been destroyed by the movers over a 36-year military career), I still have an unpainted wing section from that original D.H.10A. Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 03:35:16 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Seems that a certain lady model maker is having a birthday... Message-ID: <004e01c20992$b1c443a0$8b2832d2@default> Happy Birthday Lorna! I hope you had a wonderful day and made Shane do all the housework. :-) All The Best Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: [WWI] Seems that a certain lady model maker is having a birthday... > Now we arent supposed to ask a lady how old she is. So I cant ask Lorna but > I beat StY will tell us.. > > Have a great Birthday Lorna.. > > Cheers > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 10:43:32 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Seems that a certain lady model maker is having a Message-ID: <102295344001@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> as the instigator of this, I suppose I should mention there is still two weeks to go until Lorna's 21st birthday. Bob ---------- > Happy Birthday Lorna! > > I hope you had a wonderful day and made Shane do all the housework. :-) > > All The Best > > Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 04:04:01 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Seems that a certain lady model maker is having a Message-ID: <00b701c20996$b644c5e0$8b2832d2@default> Ooops! and I thought she didn't look a day over 19! :-) Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Seems that a certain lady model maker is having a > as the instigator of this, I suppose I should mention there is still two > weeks to go until Lorna's 21st birthday. > > Bob > > ---------- > > > Happy Birthday Lorna! > > > > I hope you had a wonderful day and made Shane do all the housework. :-) > > > > All The Best > > > > Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:04:27 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dorme & Guiguet book Message-ID: <7a.27a86beb.2a2a90db@aol.com> --part1_7a.27a86beb.2a2a90db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll pass, eh! 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Tom --part1_7a.27a86beb.2a2a90db_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:31:10 EDT From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Awesome SPAD 12 Message-ID: <1a4.3224cbc.2a2a971e@aol.com> --part1_1a4.3224cbc.2a2a971e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/1/2002 9:16:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > Neil, awesome SPAD 12 on IM this month!! Neil, I cannot express how impressed I am with your model, the natural metal finish is beautiful to say the very least. You have sent me off on a search now because I have a set of plans for a Spad Xlll in 1/6 scale. I plan to build this someday and will have to do some serious research now to see if anyone ever used such a natural finish on the Xlll as it looks, to quote Matt "Awesome." Great job, I'm jealous, thanks for sharing. Best Regards, Jon --part1_1a4.3224cbc.2a2a971e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/1/2002 9:16:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:


Neil, awesome SPAD 12 on IM this month!! 


Neil, I cannot express how impressed I am with your model, the natural metal finish is beautiful to say the very least. You have sent me off on a search now because I have a set of plans for a Spad Xlll in 1/6 scale.  I plan to build this someday and will have to do some serious research now to see if anyone ever used such a natural finish on the Xlll as it looks, to quote Matt "Awesome." Great job, I'm jealous, thanks for sharing.
                              Best Regards,

Jon 


             

--part1_1a4.3224cbc.2a2a971e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:05:20 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: June Internet Modeler Message-ID: <200206011805.20965.larrym@sympatico.ca> > The June Internet Modeler is now posted. There are two OT builds - Sanjeev > Hirve builds Tomasz G's Lewis gun kit, and Neil Crawford kitbashes the Bob, has anyone pointed out that the title on the F4F article says "Morane L"? Great issue, by the way. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:22:04 -0400 From: "Jamie Gagnon" To: Subject: Contrail struts Message-ID: <000f01c209cb$85e53f80$9b127018@ktchnr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Hi folks; Is there a North American distributor for Contrail struts/ Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:13:25 +0900 From: "Mordecai Sheftall" To: Subject: foiled again Message-ID: <002601c209d2$b7cddfa0$1a4f07d3@computer> Our very own Bucky has the cover and a fantastic article on applying foil in the new issue of FSM (June 2002). Now that he is rich & famous I suppose he won't be building OT any more or talking to us. By the way, it's ot and it's the "forked tail devil". Congrats on the great work. ---------Bob Ha. Thanks, Bob! Never fear, I will NEVER be through with OT. I just don't have enough time and energy in my life right now to do it the way I want, so in lieu of mediocrity, I opt instead to just give it a rest for a while. I'll get back to it as soon as I can. I have, however, been keeping up with the list, but for reasons listed above, just don't have much to contribute these days that would be of interest to most members, so I guess you could say I'm just "lurking" for now. At the worktable, I've been tinkering around, scratching the interior of an S.79 Sparviero for the last three months, on and off, in between teaching and parenting and research on a book I'm writing (based on interviews with kamikaze unit veterans and family members of "successful" kamikaze pilots -- it'll be published by Naval Institute Press next year). Anyway, the day I finally get those "Damned Hunchback" fuselage halves together, I'll pop a bottle of Dom P. List members with phenomenally good memories may remember that I was doing the Albi D.II about half a year ago, and quite pumped about it. Well, disaster struck soon after, and I was so disspirited by the experience that I think I have some kind of psychological block about OT right now. I won't go into details, but let's just suffice it to say that the "disaster" resulted in the Albi MELTING. That said, anybody got an idea for an OT project I could do with foil? FSM, btw, bought the article a year and a half ago. To tell you the truth, I had long since given the piece up as done in by a nefarious cabal of metallic paint manufacturers plying the editorial staff with slush funds and bimbos, so I was as surprised as anyone else when it finally showed up in the mag, and on the cover, no less. The article was EXTENSIVELY rewritten, though. My typical tongue-in-cheek style was considerably dumbed down -- if not simply excised completely -- and the article was also liberally sprinkled with pitches for Bare Metal Foil which I did NOT put in. Those "minor" points aside, I hope the article will be helpful to people looking for an alternative to silver paint in representing NMF. OT applications are, of course, limited, but the technique may still be useful for things like cowling covers, engine parts, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:56:32 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: solvent glues Message-ID: <200206012156.32873.larrym@sympatico.ca> I believe it was David Fletcher who was lamenting both access to and the price of Testors Liquid Cement. Since I was also complaining about the stuff I'd tried, I did a bit of shopping today. First stop was the place here in Quebec City where you can buy some traditional model supplies if you aren't too concerned about the price. Six dollars later I owned a 29ml bottle of Testors LC, which is MEK. Later in the day, as Daniel Munoz and I were hitting the hot spots, like Home Depot, I was looking in the area where they sell plastic sheet material. There I found a bottle of liquid cement called "IPS Weld-On 4", which is said to work with acrylics. It's a composite liquid with the main ingredient being methylene chloride. This stuff also cost me $6 but it's 118ml, or 4 times the amount in a bottle of Testors. Cheap is only good if it works. So, when I got home, I took both products and started breaking up sprue and gluing it back together. Both Testors and Weld-On work very well. To be honest, I couldnt find any difference whatever. I think I'll be using Weld-On 4 given its availability in Canada and its low price. Dave, if you're interested, I could send you a photo of the can. IPS is a US company (California) but the bilingual labeling suggests that they probably label it differently in the US. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:03:33 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: craft paint follow up Message-ID: <200206012203.33440.larrym@sympatico.ca> I thought I'd follow up the thread that Steve and Robert started on the use of craft paints mixed in Future as I've spent some more time doing some tests. For artists like Robert, I'm sure there is a 'sixth sense' about how much of this or that is needed to get the job done. For klutzes like myself, I need to play around and get a feel for the ratios. It seems that somewhere around 30-40% Future, with all that swishing around in the paint cup that Robert talked about, is just about right but so far I've only sprayed 3 brands and, I think, 4 colors. I'm not one to measure this stuff very carefully but it "seems" about this percentage. This is when blowing the paint with a Badger 180 compressor through a standard Testors/Aztec 470. The other thing I'd like to say is that Steve is absolutely correct that the Ceramcoat works best. While Americana and Apple Barrel work very well, the Ceramcoat just seems more consistent. Lucky me, they've just opened a new art store here that has a whole rack of the stuff :-) Thanks to both Steve and Robert for this trick. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 19:27:53 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: solvent glues Message-ID: <3CF982A9.1090803@mars.ark.com> Larry Marshall wrote: "...Six dollars later I owned a 29ml bottle of Testors LC, which is MEK... I found a bottle of liquid cement called "IPS Weld-On 4"... Dave, if you're interested, I could send you a photo of the can..." Well, courtesy of the party on power in Quebec, you paid almost twice what I did for the Testors cement (I know, MEK is illegal for adults in BC, but kids can buy it in a different container...)! We have a Home Depot in Nanaimo, about an hour's drive from here. I expect to be down there later in the month , so I'll stop by on a 'recce'. I won't need a 'scan of the can', but thanks for the offer. To make this really OT, Nanaimo was Collishaw's home town and the airfield is named "Nanaimo-Collishaw Airport" (but it's really in the neighbouring town of Cassidy..). Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:48:35 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: solvent glues Message-ID: <200206012248.35419.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Well, courtesy of the party on power in Quebec, you paid almost twice > what I did for the Testors cement (I know, MEK is illegal for adults in ...while Quebec policy does breed many things, the cost of Testors cement in Quebec City isn't one of them. I'm sure it's $4 in Montreal. Here in Quebec City, however, there's a single, very over-priced source. > Depot in Nanaimo, about an hour's drive from here. I expect to be down > there later in the month , so I'll stop by on a 'recce'. I won't need a > 'scan of the can', but thanks for the offer. Ok...but if you change your mind, the popping a quick shot with a digital camera is no problem at all. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:08:52 +0200 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Ni27 engine cowling retaining strip Message-ID: <001601c20a04$b4e44180$9ae422d4@s> What was the colour of the above named retaining strip ? Pictures at my disposal tend to suggest black, or a very dark metal shade. Some machines, however, seem to have light steel strips... TIA ! All the very best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 08:54:59 +0800 From: "RGB" To: 广告人 Subject: ★最大华文广告作品网站★ Message-ID: <200206020911781.SM00174@123> 0D82 欢迎访问最大的华文广告作品网站 www.promixfile.com 欢迎所有广告从业者 及 广告爱好者 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 15:00:17 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: foiled again Message-ID: LFG V19 Putbus was all duralamin, or maybe you'd like to attempt one of the late war Zeppelin Staaken designs, they were all duralamin as well The Dornier flying boats had duralamin hulls. Lots of choice :-) Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line 媼 I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Mordecai Sheftall" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:09:51 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] foiled again > SNIP > > That said, anybody got an idea for an OT project I could do with foil? > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:39:13 -0400 From: "David Vosburgh" To: Subject: Old Models Message-ID: <000901c20a4b$a6a43700$d0ed19ce@dv2980> Hi All Out of lurk mode and chiming in a bit late on the kits of the past motif. One of my most vivid childhood memories is standing in front of the model section of the local W.T. Grants store (circa 1963) staring at the Aurora Fok. D.VII kit. It had to have the single most bizarre piece of box art ever created... the one where the a/c was engulfed in flames with the unfortunate pilot writhing in the cockpit while a tiny Camel hovered in the background. Is this just a distorted bit of pseudo-memory, or did it really exist?? I must have built a dozen of them in any event. DV ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4453 **********************