WWI Digest 4428 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: FMP book wasRE: RE: French Strutters by Larry Marshall 2) Very tenuous OT link by Steven Perry 3) RE: French Strutters by Larry Marshall 4) OT? armour by Larry Marshall 5) Re: Albatros D.II (L.V.G.) by Todd Hayes 6) Kits for sale by "charles robinson" 7) =?big5?Q?=BA=CA=B9=EE=AEa=A9~=A1A=BDT=ABO=A4u=A4H=B5=BD=AB=DD=A5=AE=A8=E0?= by sale@sebycals.com 8) Karaja by Larry Marshall 9) RE: French Strutters by "Matt Bittner" 10) lean mixture control by Tom Plesha 11) Re: Karaja by "Courtney Allen" 12) Re: Karaja by "Mark C" 13) RE: French Strutters by "Ross Moorhouse" 14) Re: Need to cancel Friday by "David's Mail" 15) Re: Karaja by Larry Marshall 16) RE: French Strutters by Larry Marshall 17) Re: Kits for sale by "Dale Sebring" 18) RE: French Strutters by "Bob Pearson" 19) Subject: RE:Oil Washes by "Fraser" 20) =?big5?Q?=B7Q=C5=DC=B1o=A7=F3=E8=B0=A1B=A7=F3=BDG=A1B=A7=F3=B0=B7=B1d=A1H?= by SoupDaily.com 21) Re: Subject: RE:Oil Washes by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 22) RE: French Strutters by "Matt Bittner" 23) RE: French Strutters by "Matt Bittner" 24) RE: More uploads by "Nigel Rayner" 25) Another addition to the Gallery by "Matt Bittner" 26) RE: French Strutters by "Ross Moorhouse" 27) Re: Another addition to the Gallery by "Ross Moorhouse" 28) RE: Another addition to the Gallery by "Diego Fernetti" 29) RE: French Strutters by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:52:28 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FMP book wasRE: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: <200205221952.28685.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Well then double that to get what we should be paying in AUDs... What i > want to know is how can they charge this much for a book? Seesm that > reading is becoming a thing for the rich only. You'd have to ask someone with enough money to buy one Ross :-) I'd love to have that volume as I really enjoy their Imperial Russia book, which is also a huge thing with lots of color. I'm not sure what they do for French aircraft that causes it to cost twice what the Russian book does as I've never had one in my hands. I'm sure Matt can tell us. Maybe it's just cuz it's about French aircraft :-) Being somewhat addicted to Datafiles, however, I've found that it doesn't take long to buy $100 worth of paper :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:58:41 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Very tenuous OT link Message-ID: <3CEC30B1.6000105@tampabay.rr.com> I just saw the most incredible motorcycle I've ever seen. This beast has a V8 engine, a wider tire by several inches than most SUVs, a huge gas tank nearly 3 feet wide, maybe 30 gal and what appeared to be a crome nitrous oxide bottle on the front fork. Its possible that it is a production machine, but its like nothing I've seen before. The guy riding it was big, 250 or 260 lbs and not fat. He looked almost out of scale small on/in it. He got on it a little, very little...WOW! That monster got up and said, "Good Mornin'" The very tenuous OT link is that it was painted like..., well imagine a rippled version of Reid Chamber's Stars & Stripes Spad. Beautiful. The guy was wearing what looked to be a fiberglass replica of an ot German helmet...painted Stars & Stripes too. What a visual non-sequiter that was. Folks were talking back and forth about it between cars at stop lights, I mean 3 way conversations going on. Everyone was gawkin & talkin. This is not normal behavior in American traffic. Sorry for the very very stretched link to OT, but I know many of you like bikes and this was just incredible. The thing looked very graceful and appeared to handle better than many smaller "big" bikes I've seen. If anyone knows what it is I just saw, please give me an Off List holler, because I'm better than half convinced that this thing was "scratchbuilt". sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:17:44 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: <200205222017.44988.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Funny you should ask, Young Jedi. :-) Well...I'm not young and my reflexes are far too slow to be a Jedi...but as a fat, aging wanna-learn plastics modeler, I'll sit at your feet. Speak to me Obe-wan.... > Current research has single-color Strutters finished in aluminum-dope. > Yup, no more CDL/Yellow Strutters for me! ;-) That's why those Strutters on the Memorial site look so much lighter in color than most CDL planes. I just read the French stuff that explained that they are aluminum finished. Bravo!!! Yes, Obe-wan...there are definitely French models in my future :-) The question remains whether my eyes can handle 1/72 though. So far they have failed me miserably. Is there any chance that you have a drawing of that eagle marking in one of your books? It looks like it needs to be printed on some frisket :-) > The Flashback is superb. Yes, there are some minor issues with it, but I Your review was very informative about those issues and will certainly be helpful when I build mine. > still think it's the best injected kit made today. Maybe that's my French > bias coming in... ;-) Well...I'm a complete idiot when it comes to kits and such but the Flashback Strutter and the Eduard Sopwith Schneider kit I recently bought from Mac are certainly the 1/72 standouts in my meager collection. If only my abilities were up to the quality of the kits :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:27:28 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OT? armour Message-ID: <200205222027.28300.larrym@sympatico.ca> The local modeling group that I've just made contact with are mostly into armour of one form or another. Daniel Munoz is on the verge (I know it, though he'll deny it) of deciding that working with aluminum is child's play and his tanks will sport heavy plate steel plate. This brief encounter with the 1/35 crowd has caused me to think just a bit more about armour and all of this is a long way of saying that I picked up the April issue of Military Modeling. For newbies, there's an interesting article on "olive drab." The discussion has little or nothing to do with WWI, of course but it is a discussion of all of the different attempts by paint manufacturers to produce olive drab, with reference to FS34078. The thing that caught my attention is that they've got color splotches of all the major paint companies' olive drab. I'm sure the print medium doesn't grab them exactly but when they're all lined up together, you can get a sense of relative 'brownness' and 'greeness' of these paints. Also, a bit closer to OT are photos of the Emhard 1/72 A7V that's supposed to be released in....well, now. Has anyone seen evidence of it being available? If I'm going to have to build a tank to fit in here, at least it's got to be a WWI tank :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros D.II (L.V.G.) Message-ID: <20020523003407.4619.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> According to the Datafile and Datafile Special (and for the life of me, I couldn't find the actual reference when I looked, but know it's there), the LVG built a/c were originally designated LVG D.I's and the only difference other than the camo pattern was that LVG ones had metal fairings over the ammuntion chutes. Apparently, the canvas ammo belts became twisted in the airstream. Todd --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Jamie asks: > > "... what is(are) the difference(s) between the > L.V.G. and the standard > version?" > > I don't think that's a stupid question, and haven't > a clue, myself. > Until the kits came out, I didn't even know LVG > subcontracted for these. > > > The answer is probably going to turn out to be "the > trademark transfer > on the components", but I'm curious, too. > > Lance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:27:33 -0500 From: "charles robinson" To: Subject: Kits for sale Message-ID: <004a01c20201$661d1500$c9c10ad0@tomei> Hello listees, Time to thin out my model closet. I have several kits for sale. E-mail off list for a list. Don't have internet access during the day so please be patient. Happy Modelling, Ohio Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: sale@sebycals.com To: Hk032 Subject: =?big5?Q?=BA=CA=B9=EE=AEa=A9~=A1A=BDT=ABO=A4u=A4H=B5=BD=AB=DD=A5=AE=A8=E0?= Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_qsZXcALUk3bn3nkz3kVOJojx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_qsZXcALUk3bn3nkz3kVOJojxAA" ------=_NextPart_qsZXcALUk3bn3nkz3kVOJojxAA Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWwv L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPFNDUklQVCBsYW5ndWFnZT1KYXZhU2NyaXB0Pg0Kd2luZG93 Lm9wZW4oJ2h0dHA6Ly93d3cuc2VieWNhbC5jb20nLCcnLCd0b29sYmFyLG1lbnViYXIsc2Nyb2xs YmFycyxyZXNpemFibGUsc3RhdHVzLGxvY2F0aW9uLGRpcmVjdG9yaWVzLGNvcHloaXN0b3J5LGhl aWdodD03Njgsd2lkdGg9MTAyNCcpOw0KLy8gLS0+DQo8L1NDUklQVD4NCg0KPE1FVEEgaHR0cC1l cXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGUgY29udGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWdiMjMxMiI+DQo8 TUVUQSBjb250ZW50PSJNU0hUTUwgNS41MC40NTIyLjE4MDAiIG5hbWU9R0VORVJBVE9SPg0KPFNU WUxFPjwvU1RZTEU+DQo8L0hFQUQ+DQo8Qk9EWSBiZ0NvbG9yPSNmZmZmZmY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05U IHNpemU9ND48Qj66yrnurmGpfqFBvVSrT6R1pEi1vavdpa6o4DwvQj48L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8 cD68xr1Yusq57qTOrPa//ah0ss48L1A+DQo8RElWPqTrtk+ldbvdSEskMzUwIKVdqOKt07J5q6zD 6KFBpWmzerlMpKzBcLr0oUHASK7JwEimYbrKue6uYal+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9 ND690KdZrVC5cSAyODMzIDI4MjIgrGS43yA8L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwvRElW Pg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+PEEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zZWJ5Y2FsLmNvbSI+aHR0 cDovL3d3dy5zZWJ5Y2FsLmNvbTwvQT48L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj48 L0ZPTlQ+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj48L0ZPTlQ+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+ DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj48L0ZPTlQ+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwvRElW PjwvU0NSSVBUPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0iTVNIVE1MIDUuNTAuNDUyMi4xODAwIiBuYW1lPUdF TkVSQVRPUj48L0JPRFk+PC9IVE1MPg== ------=_NextPart_qsZXcALUk3bn3nkz3kVOJojxAA-- ------=_NextPart_qsZXcALUk3bn3nkz3kVOJojx-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:43:51 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Karaja Message-ID: <200205222143.51012.larrym@sympatico.ca> Recently people were talking about Karaya as a good source for Eduard kits. I thought I'd give them a try so I sent them an email (per their instructions) ordering some kits. How long do you normally have to wait before you hear back from them? I sent my msg Monday night. Should I assume that something went wrong? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:44:04 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 2002 18:35:49 -0400 (EDT), Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > You've mentioned this before, but I don't remember seeing anything about > this current research. Would you care to elaborate as to who's proposing > the theory and based on what evidence? Is this documented in period papers > or is this from a detailed analysis of photos? Since I have to rebuild my > Flashback Strutter here anyway I might as well see if I have to repaint it > as well.... I've been in contact with Memorial Flight who is going to start refurbishing a 1.B2. They have come in contact with an *original* (according to them) factory manual from one of the factories building French Strutters. In that manual it states that all single-color Strutters are to be finished in aluminum-dope. In addition, start taking close look at the photos, especially those on Memorial Flight. The "sheen" is just too wrong for CDL - and painted, for that matter. I was trying to hunt down a photo of the RCW SE5a last night (which I didn't find any photos of, but I did find a color plate) and one of those photos have a couple of Nieuports in line with a couple of Strutters. The Strutter next to the Nieuport has the same exact sheen as the Nieuport. Like I said, start looking at the photos closer. Sure there are those that are extremely difficult to tell (do to age, etc.) but overall it's now obvious - to me, at least - that French single color Strutters are finished in aluminum-dope. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi Subject: lean mixture control Message-ID: <20020523015325.2239.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All- Does anyone know if the Hiero 4 cylinder inline engines used a lean mixture control or just a single throttle control? TIA Later Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:55:34 -0700 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: Karaja Message-ID: <004001c201fc$edd152e0$6748510c@oemcomputer> I got my first answer to my order request in 3 hours! The only time it got more than 24 hours in answering an email was during a local Holiday when their were closed. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Marshall" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: [WWI] Karaja > > Recently people were talking about Karaya as a good source for Eduard kits. I > thought I'd give them a try so I sent them an email (per their instructions) > ordering some kits. How long do you normally have to wait before you hear > back from them? I sent my msg Monday night. Should I assume that something > went wrong? > > Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:04:08 -0400 From: "Mark C" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Karaja Message-ID: >From: Larry Marshall >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Karaja >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:46:27 -0400 (EDT) > >Recently people were talking about Karaya as a good source for Eduard kits. > I >thought I'd give them a try so I sent them an email (per their >instructions) >ordering some kits. How long do you normally have to wait before you hear >back from them? I sent my msg Monday night. Should I assume that >something >went wrong? > >Cheers --- Larry I would not worry yet. The initial contact can take a bit of time, but I've found he's generally pretty fast. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:07:12 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: <001301c201fe$8dc95c60$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> So does this mean that the French one in the Flashback kit of the 1B1 is wrong then? As they have their one in CDL. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: French Strutters > On Wed, 22 May 2002 18:35:49 -0400 (EDT), Chris Banyai-Riepl > wrote: > > > You've mentioned this before, but I don't remember seeing anything about > > this current research. Would you care to elaborate as to who's proposing > > the theory and based on what evidence? Is this documented in period papers > > or is this from a detailed analysis of photos? Since I have to rebuild my > > Flashback Strutter here anyway I might as well see if I have to repaint it > > as well.... > > I've been in contact with Memorial Flight who is going to start > refurbishing a 1.B2. They have come in contact with an > *original* (according to them) factory manual from one of the > factories building French Strutters. In that manual it states > that all single-color Strutters are to be finished in > aluminum-dope. > > In addition, start taking close look at the photos, especially > those on Memorial Flight. The "sheen" is just too wrong for CDL > - and painted, for that matter. I was trying to hunt down a > photo of the RCW SE5a last night (which I didn't find any photos > of, but I did find a color plate) and one of those photos have a > couple of Nieuports in line with a couple of Strutters. The > Strutter next to the Nieuport has the same exact sheen as the > Nieuport. > > Like I said, start looking at the photos closer. Sure there are > those that are extremely difficult to tell (do to age, etc.) but > overall it's now obvious - to me, at least - that French single > color Strutters are finished in aluminum-dope. > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:14:21 -0500 From: "David's Mail" To: Subject: Re: Need to cancel Friday Message-ID: <003d01c201ff$90baba80$0100a8c0@Jeanne> No problem, just let me know when hte next get together is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: [WWI] Need to cancel Friday > I need to cancel Friday night - put new carpeting in upstairs, which lead to > everything going on the main floor, which lead to garage sale on Saturday > which means Friday will be getting ready for sale. > > Will get back to you on a date in June - let me know if you get this, if I > don't hear from you I'll call. > > Charlie > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:19:57 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Karaja Message-ID: <200205222219.57347.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I got my first answer to my order request in 3 hours! The only time it got > more than 24 hours in answering an email was during a local Holiday when > their were closed. Thanks for that Courtney. I think I'll resend and ask them if they got the first one. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:41:04 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: <200205222241.04607.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Wednesday 22 May 2002 10:06 pm, you wrote: > So does this mean that the French one in the Flashback kit of the 1B1 is > wrong then? As they have their one in CDL. Matt's certainly in a better position to answer this than I but I'll point out that the color and markings for that Strutter comes off the cover the Strutter Datafile, a document that, while good, is somewhat humorous in that it starts out telling us how many more French Strutters were built and then almost completely ignores them throughout the presentation. After stating how much more colorful French schemes were in the first paragraph of the Color and Markings section, Bruce spends the rest of the section talking about British color and markings. One other thing though, which is probably relevant, is that the French flew British-built Strutters as well as ones their built themselves, at least so sayeth J.M. Bruce. Even French-bult Strutters were said to come from several facilities so possibly some were silver while others were not. It sure seems to me that the couple pictured on the Memorial site are something other than CDL. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:01:39 -0600 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: Kits for sale Message-ID: <002f01c2020e$8b708500$0100a8c0@RDS> Hi Ohio Mike, I would like a list of kits for sale. Dale Sebring ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:42:19 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: <102212902401@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> > Matt's certainly in a better position to answer this than I but I'll point out > that the color and markings for that Strutter comes off the cover the > Strutter Datafile, a document that, while good, is somewhat humorous in that > it starts out telling us how many more French Strutters were built and then > almost completely ignores them throughout the presentation. After stating > how much more colorful French schemes were in the first paragraph of the > Color and Markings section, Bruce spends the rest of the section talking > about British color and markings. That is because that is his area of expertise - BRITISH aircraft. If anyone is willing to write on French aircraft IN ENGLISH, I am sure they can find a ready market for it. > One other thing though, which is probably relevant, is that the French flew > British-built Strutters as well as ones their built themselves, at least so > sayeth J.M. Bruce. Even French-bult Strutters were said to come from several > facilities so possibly some were silver while others were not. It sure seems > to me that the couple pictured on the Memorial site are something other than > CDL. Almost all of No.3 Wing's Strutters were transferred to the French in April 1917. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:25:18 +0200 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Subject: RE:Oil Washes Message-ID: <001001c2021b$1047d1f0$cd4ab13e@pc145681> > Winsor Newton make a spirit called 'Sans Odour' and Grumbacher do something > similar. Revells Color Mix isn't too bad either. So get thee to an an > Artists' supply shop. Does this work as well as mineral spirits? Cheers --- Larry Absolutely, I used to use it for model enamels as well - it's a highly refined mineral spirit with the pong removed. Sorry to be so slow in replying I'm in digest mode. Cheers F ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 05:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: SoupDaily.com To: sir/madam Subject: =?big5?Q?=B7Q=C5=DC=B1o=A7=F3=E8=B0=A1B=A7=F3=BDG=A1B=A7=F3=B0=B7=B1d=A1H?= Message-ID: ·QÅܱo§óè°¡B§ó½G¡B§ó°·±d¡H ¯µ¯Ê www.soupdaily.com ¤¤´M¡I ¦pªG¦¹¹q¶l°µ¦¨±z¤£«K¡A¯u¬O¹ï¤£°_¡A½Ð§â§Aªº¹q¶l±Hµ¹§Ú­Ì¡A±z¥Ã»·³£¤£·|¦A¦¬¨ì§Ú­Ìªº¹q¶l¡I If you'd rather not receive any future emails from us, please contact¡I¡I ainopage@yahoo.com.hk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:38:12 +0100 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Subject: RE:Oil Washes Message-ID: A good spoonful of mineral oil should speed things up......... N > > Sorry to be so slow in >replying I'm in digest mode. -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:55:22 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 2002 22:44:31 -0400 (EDT), Larry Marshall wrote: > Matt's certainly in a better position to answer this than I but I'll point out > that the color and markings for that Strutter comes off the cover the > Strutter Datafile, a document that, while good, is somewhat humorous in that > it starts out telling us how many more French Strutters were built and then > almost completely ignores them throughout the presentation. After stating > how much more colorful French schemes were in the first paragraph of the > Color and Markings section, Bruce spends the rest of the section talking > about British color and markings. Indeed. Funny how those Brits think. :-) > One other thing though, which is probably relevant, is that the French flew > British-built Strutters as well as ones their built themselves, at least so > sayeth J.M. Bruce. Even French-bult Strutters were said to come from several > facilities so possibly some were silver while others were not. It sure seems > to me that the couple pictured on the Memorial site are something other than > CDL. There exists that possibility - that some French factories didn't adhere to the aluminum-doped "edict", but my contact seems to think *all* single-color machines were aluminum. Plus you do bring up a good point about the British supplied ones (I can't recall just how many those were). Good chances are that those would have been CDL, unless the French took them "brown" (yuck). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:56:15 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 2002 22:06:13 -0400 (EDT), Ross Moorhouse wrote: > So does this mean that the French one in the Flashback kit of the 1B1 is > wrong then? As they have their one in CDL. Yes, I believe this one should too be aluminum-doped. I'll have to track down photos of it to be sure, but... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:00:00 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: More uploads Message-ID: <000001c20240$99dc2860$983bedc1@w1o0t3> sp wrote: >Outstanding ply finish! I must have missed the description of the >technique. Nigel, please post (or re-post) a description of how you did it. Thanks Steve (and others who have been so kind to comment). I have posted before on the technique, but to save a search of the archives, here's an updated version that I sent Bill Anthony offlist: - First, I ehanced the panel lines between the various wood panels with a scriber. This makes it easier to put in the panel lines later. - Apply a base coat of a light, sandy colour (for a light ply finish as on a DIII or DV, for a DII use something a bit darker). I used Humbrol 148. - Several panels were masked and painted different shades to give some variation in the finish. This isn't crucial, you can skip this if you can't be bothered! - Once dry, wood grain was applied using the "smear" method. Get a wash of a mix of burnt umber/burnt sienna artists' gouache (I prefer this to watercolours as it is a little more intense in its colours), put on heavily then rub off most of it with a finger or cotton bud. This will leave "smears" of colour that look a bit like woodgrain. Then use damp chisel and pointed brushes to refine the grain effect until it "looks right." I would work on about 1/4 to 1/3 of the aircraft at a time, don't try to do it all in one go. If it all looks horrible, wash it off and start again! BTW there is no need to Future the undercoat - go straight on top of the enamel. The "bite" of the gouache on the matt enamel helps the grain effect. - You could mask off panels as you do this, because obviously the grain does not match from one panel to another. However, I didn't bother with this (too much effort!), I just used the brushes carefully to make sure there were no "obvious" grain marks that went from one panel to another. This is ok in 1/72, might show a bit more in 1/48. - Enhance the panel lines with watercolour pencil or burnt umber oils. - This will give you reasonable wood grain but it won't have that nice deep golden orange look. To achieve this, I applied a coat of Tamiya Clear Yellow acrylic, with a top coat consisting of and 3 parts Tamiya Clear Yellow acrylic and 1 part Tamiya Clear Orange acrylic. You have to be careful with Tamiya acrylics. They go off quite quickly and when they do if you overbrush you get sticky lumps of gel forming. So again, either work on about 1/4 of the plane at a time or thin using Tamiya thinners (not water, Tamiya acrylics do not like water). Have fun - it's not that difficult really. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 05:07:16 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Another addition to the Gallery Message-ID: Okay, Diego. Time for a visit from the Finger Chopper (tm). Bill Arnold sends in his latest - the Roden Albatros D.II Oeffag. Simply awesome! How does he do it? Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:35:17 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: <003801c20245$87d0c400$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Even with the swan markings ? Thanks to for the info on this. And to Larry as well. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: French Strutters > On Wed, 22 May 2002 22:06:13 -0400 (EDT), Ross Moorhouse wrote: > > > So does this mean that the French one in the Flashback kit of the 1B1 is > > wrong then? As they have their one in CDL. > > Yes, I believe this one should too be aluminum-doped. I'll have > to track down photos of it to be sure, but... > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:36:54 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Another addition to the Gallery Message-ID: <004001c20245$c1f5b6e0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Amazing detail and painting on that Alb. Love the fuel pressure pump. How can one work in such detail at such sizes. ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: [WWI] Another addition to the Gallery > Okay, Diego. Time for a visit from the Finger Chopper (tm). > > Bill Arnold sends in his latest - the Roden Albatros D.II Oeffag. > Simply awesome! > > How does he do it? > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Modeling Page > Assistant Editor > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:00:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Another addition to the Gallery Message-ID: <014901c20249$1dbd2b40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Excellent work, but I'd ask for you guys to slow down sending those great models. I have to visit Vaso in the Czech Republic, I can't reach Charlie Duckworth this friday because of his garage sale (hmm I wonder if he has some stray kits going in that sale) and now Bill Arnold insist on getting on the top chopping list. That's it, I need to expand the bussiness. Applications for finger chopper junior engineers are open. Send CVs and mug pictures to PO Box 666. Interviews will be held as soon as documentation would be checked. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:10 AM Subject: [WWI] Another addition to the Gallery > Okay, Diego. Time for a visit from the Finger Chopper (tm). > > Bill Arnold sends in his latest - the Roden Albatros D.II Oeffag. > Simply awesome! > > How does he do it? > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Modeling Page > Assistant Editor > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:08:51 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: French Strutters Message-ID: <016901c2024a$385623c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Blessed creatures! Sure they're pretty. Now little girls with beard would have been a novelty article. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Moorhouse > My 2 girls look like their Mum. No facial hair ;-) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4428 **********************