WWI Digest 4415 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc by Tom Gourdie 2) Vallejo acrylics by "Fraser" 3) RE: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips a by Crawford Neil 4) Re: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips and other stuff? by Larry Marshall 5) Re: Vac again - and stuff by Larry Marshall 6) Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc by Larry Marshall 7) RE: Vallejo Paints by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips and other stuff? by "NEIL EDDY" 9) Re: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips and other stuff? by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 10) Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc by Tom Gourdie 11) Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc by Larry Marshall 12) Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 13) Re: Eduard availability by bill anthony 14) Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc by Larry Marshall 15) Swapping was:RE: Re: Eduard availability by Crawford Neil 16) Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc by Crawford Neil 17) book order from Redstar models by "Pedro N. Soares" 18) Re: book order from Redstar models by tbittners@sprintmail.com 19) RE: book order from Redstar models by "Diego Fernetti" 20) RE: book order from Redstar models by "Pedro N. Soares" 21) RE: book order from Redstar models by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: Eduard availability by Larry Marshall 23) 1/6 scale plans by Allan Wright 24) RE: what scale? by "Hans Trauner" 25) Re: For Diego: Vallejo putty was:RE: Vallejo Paints by "Hans Trauner" 26) Re: 1/6 scale plans by Larry Marshall 27) From italy with love by "Diego Fernetti" 28) hexagonal aluminium bolt head : done ! by "Daniel Munoz" 29) RE: Aviatik colors / Model Show Nuernberg by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 30) re: hexagonal aluminium bolt head : done ! by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 31) Re: hexagonal aluminium bolt head : done ! by Larry Marshall ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:54:00 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc Message-ID: Bill Anthony asked whether DML/Dragon is out of business Bill The problem isn't Dragon/DML's solvency They are still going strong as far as I am aware! The problem is that they had four very good OT models which are out of production with no sgn of reissue although I believe Hasegawa did an issue of the DVII. My experience of availability is based on the UK where it is very difficult to find them even through a second hand outlet such as Kingkit. I needed a DrI and I only got one courtesy of Warren (by the way anyone heard from him recently? - he doesn't seem to have posted anything for ages) who had a couple of spares and very generously let me have one. Dragon/DML might be more available in the US and elsewhere but I still think finding a DVII, particularly at a reasonable price, which means a retail shop, might be nigh impossible. As for the SPADs I would snap them up if you have found a source - all of them if you are sufficiently interested! Tom Tom Gourdie Regional Group Coordinator Outreach Department The Universities and Colleges Admissions Service (UCAS) Tel: 01242 544878 Fax: 01242 544954 E-mail: t.gourdie@ucas.ac.uk Website: http://www.ucas.com Registered Office: Rosehill, New Barn Lane, Cheltenham, Glos GL52 3LZ Registered Company Number: 2839815 Registered Charity Number: 1024741 This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:56:55 +0200 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Vallejo acrylics Message-ID: <000901c1fd89$7f387d80$f5c51bd4@pc145681> Hans schreibt, > Fraser, Which Vallejo line do you mean, Fraser? "Modell color" for brush painting ( Figures et. al. ) or the "Model Air" series for airbrush work? I am using "Modell color" regularely for figures in 1/32 and 1/48. I don't use them for 75mm and larger figures, there I still prefer oils. The " Model Air" series for airbrushing works well, they are readily thinned, but can take additional thinners. I am not too familiar with them, just used to test them. The only water based acrylics I airbrushed already were Lifecolor on my 'Bad Karma Albatros D.II'. But Vallejo has a perfect high gloss laquer which works better than Tamiya / Gunze. It hardens. Really!. It's an alternative for all Europeans with hard access to Future. Just checked Artur Models Catalogue again and it's the 'Model Air' type, apparently. Cheers F ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:16:53 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips a Message-ID: Sorry about that Mark, I was a bit worried about sending off all that stuff, but I reckoned that anyone on that mailing list probably wanted it, or they would yell stop, which you did, only by then I'd already sent it. I apologize, like you said we should have asked first. You're off now. Best regards Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark C [mailto:wwoner@hotmail.com] > Sent: den 17 maj 2002 04:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon > Rapide zips and > other stuff? > > > I don't want to be ungracious, but - > > I really, really, REALLY am not interested in this topic, and > I did not ask > to be part of whatever mailing list has decided to copy me in > on its posts. > > Please, people - before sending files that could put the > recipient over his > or her limit (as has happened to me), shouldn't you do the > courtous thing > and ask that person if he or she wants those files? > > Mark > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 06:34:02 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips and other stuff? Message-ID: <200205170634.02955.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Mark how can they contact you directly. Your address is hidden on your > transmissions. If it wasn't I would have told you how to un-subscribe from > the list. Lee, here's his email address. I plucked it from his entire msg, which you just quoted back to this list. "Mark C" Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 06:42:46 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Vac again - and stuff Message-ID: <200205170642.46464.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Many vac kits come with photoetch, white metal, resin, and > injection-molded parts. Aeroclub, and Koster are great with this. > Anything that you may want to add is available: engines, guns, PE details, > wheels, etc. are all available in just about any scale you want to name. Thanks for this. It's sometimes hard to sort out what comes with what. While I know that I can buy all sorts of parts separate from any kit, doing so to complete a kit that I've paid $30-40 for seems a bit too much. It's good to know that a lot of these parts come with such kits. > Heck, I can sympathise with your disappointment with Great Models, > although they have come thru on alot of stuff for me so I figure if I It seems that the plastic kit business is unique within the Internet. Because it's nearly impossible to buy anything here in Quebec if it isn't clothes or food, I order a lot of stuff on the Internet. I've never ordered things from a shopping cart and then had to wait more than 10 days for it to arrive. Everyone else seems to stock the stuff they say they stock and they tell you when they are out of something. This kit business seems to be a situation where all bets are off in that regard. So far, the only company that's managed to get me what I ordered in less than 2 weeks has been Squadron and some people say that they used to be very bad about it. Go figure. > I got back printed invoices in precisely one week showing that what I ordered was out of stock. Is that stupid or what? In principle, Great Models has the right idea. Their order status thingie and their announcement of availability for each item are ideal. The only problem is that they have no relation to reality. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 06:46:01 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc Message-ID: <200205170646.01998.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I needed a DrI and I only got one courtesy of Warren Is there a reason to prefer to the DML DrI in preference to the Eduard DrI? > Dragon/DML might be more available in the US and elsewhere but I still think Not from what I can see. > As for the SPADs I would snap them up if you have found a source - all of I'd sure like one :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:48:08 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Vallejo Paints Message-ID: <00b901c1fd90$55422240$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I recommned the colours "caoba" (mahogany) and "arena" (sand) as the most used colours of their range for WW1 airplanes. I chose the figure paint type, as it's easier for me to brush on. There's also a bottle with acriclic putty wich is excellent to fill any seam in figure modelling. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fraser To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:49 AM Subject: [WWI] Vallejo Paints > Thanks for the feedback. > Sounds workable. I've got some Citadel paints which are very good, but > expensive, the Vallejo is cheaper here. - even if I do have to ride out to > Slany in the sunshine to get it.... > > Diego - that modelling site mentioned the use of Vallejo paints > too.....though I must say some of the 'models'(nudge, nudge, wink, wink) > looked like they had more to do with silicon than acrylics... :~)) > Cheers > F > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:52:10 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips and other stuff? Message-ID: <00b801c1fd90$e73961e0$6bd832d2@default> Lee; sorry to intervene but he's talking about the offlist Dragon Rapide group and not this list. All the Best Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee M." To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips and other stuff? > Mark how can they contact you directly. Your address is hidden on your > transmissions. If it wasn't I would have told you how to un-subscribe from > the list. > > You got on the list by subscribing > All you have to do is figure out how to un-subscribe. It is easy but only > if you know how..... > > Lee M. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark C" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:29 PM > Subject: [WWI] Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips and > other stuff? > > > > I don't want to be ungracious, but - > > > > I really, really, REALLY am not interested in this topic, and I did not > ask > > to be part of whatever mailing list has decided to copy me in on its > posts. > > > > Please, people - before sending files that could put the recipient over > his > > or her limit (as has happened to me), shouldn't you do the courtous thing > > and ask that person if he or she wants those files? > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:57:52 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Will people PLEASE stop sending me Dragon Rapide zips and other stuff? Message-ID: <1021633072.3ce4e23090834@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting NEIL EDDY : > Lee; > > sorry to intervene but he's talking about the offlist Dragon Rapide > group > and not this list. > Is that a private club or can I join ?? dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:23:04 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc Message-ID: Larry The DML DrI is 1/48, the Eduard is 1/72 Tom -----Original Message----- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:larrym@sympatico.ca] Sent: 17 May 2002 11:47 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc > I needed a DrI and I only got one courtesy of Warren Is there a reason to prefer to the DML DrI in preference to the Eduard DrI? > Dragon/DML might be more available in the US and elsewhere but I still think Not from what I can see. > As for the SPADs I would snap them up if you have found a source - all of I'd sure like one :-) Cheers --- Larry This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:47:04 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc Message-ID: <200205170747.04468.larrym@sympatico.ca> > The DML DrI is 1/48, the Eduard is 1/72 Duh...silly me. I've seen so many DrIs in my recent blitz of plastics sites that I guess I assumed that Eduard had them in both scales. I guess I need to hang onto my 1/48 DML DrI then :-) For that matter, I'll hold onto my Eduard 1/72 DrI too. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:51:18 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc Message-ID: <01e201c1fd9c$60a47280$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > Is there a reason to prefer to the DML DrI in preference to the Eduard DrI? Of course not, as DML is in that awful/duplo 1/48 scale, and Eduard in the only correct 1/72 :-) G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 06:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: bill anthony To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard availability Message-ID: <20020517132126.10298.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Larry, I think the N11 is pretty recent from Eduard that I would'nt worry about it. Obviously some kits go out of production. Wish I had been interested in WW1 a long time ago or I would have gotten my hands on a Revel 1/72 Se5a or Nieuport 17. But as you can see these are out of production and only come up on Ebay every now and then for high prices. So that is why it is not a bad idea to sometimes stock up on something if you really like and might build it someday. For example that is probably why many of the members on the list have a large amount of kits in the closet! luckily I at least got a 1/48 scale Gruman Avenger from Accurate Miniatures before they went out of buisness. P.S. I would'nt hesitate to talk to Barry the owner of Rosemont Hobbies (link from the WW1 list sight). I am sure he knows pretty much which kits are going to be discontinued or not. Bill Anthony --- Larry Marshall wrote: > > I'm not sure this question can be answered but the > best way to find out is to > ask. What is the standard pattern for Eduard kit > availability? As a newbie > dropping into this I see kits that are available, > others that are 'out of > stock' here and there and then there are kits that > people are willing to pay > large dollars for and occasionally you see them > listed as "out of > production." Do these kits come in and out of > production or do they come on > the market and when they're gone, they're gone? > > For instance, should I be frantically looking for a > N11 just because a couple > places don't have them right now or are they readily > available? Same > question one the Albatros DV. Both of these kits > happen to be 1/48 but I > could give similar examples in 1/72. > > Cheers --- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:22:08 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc Message-ID: <200205170922.08120.larrym@sympatico.ca> > Of course not, as DML is in that awful/duplo 1/48 scale, and Eduard in the > only correct 1/72 I'll file this away so that I'll have the proper terminology when I need it. Thanks :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:29:17 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Swapping was:RE: Re: Eduard availability Message-ID: Anyone want to swap a Revell SE5a for something fun, I've got 3 and I guess I only really need 1. I also have an extra copy of the latest Windsock for swapping. I wouldn't mind Datafiles, Toko or Eduard, or Part P/E things. make me an offer, I can probably think up some more things to swap too. Airfix Rolands for instance. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:34:26 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: DML Spad XII, Fokker DVII etc Message-ID: As a curiousity I just read that Lego are discontinuing the Duplo range. And I don't mean anything at all with this, I'm just telling you /Neil C. > > Of course not, as DML is in that awful/duplo 1/48 scale, > and Eduard in the > > only correct 1/72 > > I'll file this away so that I'll have the proper terminology > when I need it. > Thanks :-) > > Cheers --- Larry > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:02:24 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: book order from Redstar models Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301A41DBC@TUFAO> Just got my books from Redstar models, with a 10% discount on the 4 books I ordered. on the invoice there is a line that says "Discounts as per agreement with Karen Rychelwski". A great thank you to Dame Karen for securing a nice discount to us all. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: book order from Redstar models Message-ID: <20020517140723.70EA246946@eclipse.qis.net> On Fri, 17 May 2002 10:04:31 -0400 (EDT), "Pedro N. Soares" wrote: >Just got my books from Redstar models, with a 10% discount on the 4 books I >ordered. > >on the invoice there is a line that says "Discounts as per agreement with >Karen Rychelwski". > >A great thank you to Dame Karen for securing a nice discount to us all. Sounds great, thanks Karen. However, I wish they would update their site one of these years. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:15:02 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: book order from Redstar models Message-ID: <023101c1fdad$3cc382a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Not only this, but the owner of Redstarmodels is also born and raised in my own city, Rosario! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedro N. Soares To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: [WWI] book order from Redstar models > Just got my books from Redstar models, with a 10% discount on the 4 books I > ordered. > > on the invoice there is a line that says "Discounts as per agreement with > Karen Rychelwski". > > A great thank you to Dame Karen for securing a nice discount to us all. > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:19:03 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: book order from Redstar models Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301A41DF7@TUFAO> Hey Diego, maybe you could get another 30% off for us..... :-) Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: sexta-feira, 17 de Maio de 2002 15:17 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: book order from Redstar models > > > Not only this, but the owner of Redstarmodels is also born > and raised in my > own city, Rosario! > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:29:04 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: book order from Redstar models Message-ID: <025d01c1fdaf$3226eb00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I'd say that after my expert intervention we only can expect an overprice of 30% ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedro N. Soares To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: book order from Redstar models > Hey Diego, > > maybe you could get another 30% off for us..... :-) > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:00:24 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard availability Message-ID: <200205171100.24393.larrym@sympatico.ca> > every now and then for high prices. So that is why it > is not a bad idea to sometimes stock up on something > if you really like and might build it someday. That's my excuse for keeping my MasterCard warm :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: 1/6 scale plans Message-ID: <200205171526.LAA29104@mustang.sr.unh.edu> I'm looking for plans for 1/6 scale WWI R/C planes. If you've got some you don't mind sharing, or can reccomend some good ones I'd like you to contact me off-list please. I'm interested in starting with something simple, like a Fokker D-VIII and working up to a Pup or Se5a. Thanks, Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:35:06 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: what scale? Message-ID: <000f01c1fdb8$6bca14a0$e7ac72d4@FRITZweb> Collecting: 1/160 - 1/28 Building: Mainly 1/48 (since Eduard came up), 1/72 for all the rest Preparing 1/28 Fokkers since years... Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:40:38 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: For Diego: Vallejo putty was:RE: Vallejo Paints Message-ID: <003d01c1fdb9$319044c0$e7ac72d4@FRITZweb> There's also a bottle with acriclic > putty wich is excellent to fill any seam in figure modelling. > D. Sounds great! I could not found this at my usual Vallejo dealer. May I ask you for the number printed on the label of this 'putty'? Thanks! Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:15:18 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/6 scale plans Message-ID: <200205171215.18247.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I'm looking for plans for 1/6 scale WWI R/C planes. If you've got some > you don't mind sharing, or can reccomend some good ones I'd like you > to contact me off-list please. Allan, I haven't got anything in exactly that scale but I do have some WWI RC plans (eg - 1/5th scale Sopwith Tabloid, 1/4 scale SE5a). Would you be interested in plans that are a bit smaller but that you could easily enlarge? If so, I've got a pile of them that have been published in Flying Scale Models and Model Flyer in the past couple years. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:37:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: From italy with love Message-ID: <02cc01c1fdc1$2c61b1c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> >From the MisterKit bulletin. No association whatsoever, etc. etc. Just check that Eduard released their Fokker eindeker... in 1/72! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mister Kit info Se non volete ricevere queste note informative(2/3 volte al mese) per favore fatecelo sapere. If you don't wish to receive this bulletin(2/3 times per month), please let us know. 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Via Alberelle 45 20089 Rozzano (MI) - ITALIA Tel/Fax 0039-02-8243791 www.misterkit.com info@misterkit.com Franco Poloni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:14:07 -0400 From: "Daniel Munoz" To: Subject: hexagonal aluminium bolt head : done ! Message-ID: <001b01c1fdc6$40c2ba60$0a00a8c0@bigbazar> Hi group ! I think I found a way to machine my bolt heads for the A7V. And thought maybe some of you could be interested; I cannot describe it very well, it reaches my English language barrier, but here's a couple of photographs self-explanatory I hope. http://pages.infinit.net/dmunoz/hexagonal/hex1.jpg http://pages.infinit.net/dmunoz/hexagonal/hex2.jpg It's the way I found to make numerous bolt heads at a time (I'm sooo lazy) from an aluminium plate, using only a slitting saw and a rotary table on the mill. Now it's not very regular, I mixed up a little and need some presize math to compute the position of the final slot, to have a regular hexagon. But it was a quick try, just to feel the idea. In some parts the pattern it is completely off, I adjusted visually the position during the cut. Ok, not proud of that... The hexagons here are 1.5mm (0.06") between flat. Of course with this method, any precise size can be done easily. To separate the heads, I think a perpendicular cut at their base using a large slotting saw (in diameter) could be fine. Or maybe milling the other side untill the opposite cut reach the slots. Well, I'll experiment... Anyway many thanks for the answers that where focused to my primary question : hexagonal "rods". With this method I found I will not generate a small pin under the head, as I firstly intended to. I'm such a mess with glue I think I need a pinpoint to precisely position each bolt on the plates. I though of a way, cutting slots as a square grid on the other side of the plate, thus both generate a square pin and separate the head from the plate. But I'm not sure of this one. Maybe I'll try it. Cheers, Daniel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:21:58 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: Aviatik colors / Model Show Nuernberg Message-ID: <03ed01c1fdc7$59ce5c20$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > > So if I understand correctly, new Aviatiks were grey, and then > > went green as they grew older? Another interpretation is also possible: grey paint was covered with that yellow protective "Finris" in factory, so it became greenish. After some time of the front service, "Finris" dissapeared (scratched/sun-faded/dissolved with oil/destroyed by freezing on high altitudes), and grey plane was painted with it again, becoming greenish again. G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:23:43 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: hexagonal aluminium bolt head : done ! Message-ID: <03f501c1fdc7$984d3340$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Daniel! You are really crazy, but it looks great! (BTW, greetings from Poland!!!) Grzegorz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:36:14 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: hexagonal aluminium bolt head : done ! Message-ID: <200205171336.14639.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I cannot describe it very well, it reaches my English language barrier, I just tried to think of how I could describe it in French. I wouldn't have done a good job but you might have gotten a laugh or two :-) > but here's a couple of photographs self-explanatory I hope. > http://pages.infinit.net/dmunoz/hexagonal/hex1.jpg > http://pages.infinit.net/dmunoz/hexagonal/hex2.jpg Outstanding!! > The hexagons here are 1.5mm (0.06") between flat. Of course with this > method, any precise size can be done easily. To separate the heads, I Great...get it right and start selling bags of bolt heads in several scales :-) 12AM...Passe Temps 3000 Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4415 **********************