WWI Digest 4387 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: OT - Dragon Rapide by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 2) RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale by "Diego Fernetti" 3) Testing new Mail Software by Steven Perry 4) RE: OT - Dragon Rapide by "Brian Nicklas" 5) French Strutter Bomber question by tbittners@sprintmail.com 6) Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the b by KarrArt@aol.com 7) RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 8) Re: I hate tall bottles! by Larry Marshall 9) RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale by "Diego Fernetti" 10) RE: OT - Dragon Rapide by "Diego Fernetti" 11) RE: French Strutter Bomber question by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Blue Max LVG C.VI on Modeling Madness by bill anthony 13) RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale by "Graham Hunter" 14) fray bentos by "Diego Fernetti" 15) Re: I hate tall bottles! by "Lee M." 16) Re: I hate tall bottles! by "Diego Fernetti" 17) RE: B. Koster e-mail Address (fwd) by "Lee M." 18) Re: Spam blizzard by Larry Marshall 19) Re: Spam blizzard by Larry Marshall 20) RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale by Steven Perry 21) Re: Spam blizzard by Larry Marshall 22) Re: Spam blizzard by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Re: fray bentos by "NEIL EDDY" 24) Re: Spam blizzard by Larry Marshall 25) Re: I hate tall bottles! by PetersList@aol.com 26) Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the b by Larry Marshall 27) Re: I hate tall bottles! by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Spam blizzard by Allan Wright 29) Re: Spam blizzard by Allan Wright 30) Re: Spam blizzard by Allan Wright 31) Re: Seeking photos of Alb's with mauve by "stefenk" 32) Re: I hate tall bottles! by "Michael Kendix" 33) Re: Spam blizzard by Larry Marshall 34) RE: B. Koster e-mail Address (fwd) by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:57:46 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: OT - Dragon Rapide Message-ID: <1020787066.3cd7f97a99d8d@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Brian Nicklas : > > Okay, two today have come forth and Diego and I have epressed admiration > for the continuation of graceful WWI biplanes, > who else loves the Dragon Rapide? (I'm fairly fanatical - at least 5 > Heller kits and one Aeroclub...) > And does it owe anything to designs from WWI or is it strictly a design > from "a clean sheet of paper"? > - Brian > I confess !! I like the DR as well. It's derived from the Dragon, and I think the only direct connection with OT subjects is the traditional shape of the DH rudder Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:59:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale Message-ID: <012101c1f5e0$2ddb22e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Dave! Good to have you haunting these lands again. Yes, the best Spad XIII kit I know of is the Czechmaster resin kit, I got mine from Juan at Sopwith Hobbies (and he even speaks spanish!!) The Revell bird is 1/69 and somehow big once compared to the scale drawings, but is far, far,far better than the Academy or the Esci (speaking of wich I compared them and no, they're not the exact same molds). The Airwaves set is designed to fit the Revell odd scale, however the MGs are quite correct for 1/72! > 1/72 scale is very addictive. It's the crack of scale modeling! Matt, do the honours to this comment! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:59:51 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Testing new Mail Software Message-ID: <3CD7F9F7.4070101@tampabay.rr.com> I went and downloaded Netscape and actually got it on line along with the mail program. I think I turned off the HTML. If I didn't do so correctly please LMK TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:05:01 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: OT - Dragon Rapide Message-ID: AFAIK the design evolved from a previous one named just "Dragon" without uc fairings and smaller engines. >> Yes, understand that. As for OTness, we can mention that the characteristic finand rudder shape came from the DH4 and kept going on to WW2 years. >> Yes, the famous de Havilland "signature" I bet that structurally the Dragons can trace its ancestry to the DH10 >> Aha, now that is interesting, Thanks Diego! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:05:18 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: French Strutter Bomber question Message-ID: <20020507160518.9C933468F5@eclipse.qis.net> In looking over photos for the 1.Bx version of the Sopwith Strutter, one thing is striking. I tend to believe that the underside "bomb bay doors" (for lack of a better term) are *not* the same as the British counterparts. Why should they be, since the British hung the bombs horizontally and the French hung them vertically? But be that as it may, I still can not find any references for the shape, size and location of the French "doors". Anybody have anything that could help? TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:05:43 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the b Message-ID: <68.1fb912a9.2a095557@aol.com> In a message dated 5/6/02 7:39:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoner@hotmail.com writes: << One thing worth mentioning is that the various "kickers" do perform a necessary function. As others have said, CA glue is harder than plastic once it sets, and therefore more difficult to sand and shape. However, the kickers, while *not* fully curing the CA, will dry it out enough to be workable. >> With kicker, I'll dip a toothpick in the stuff and wave it around the joint, magic wand style. Most of the time, this is enough to "kick". On the same general subject- CA, I thought I'd mention that there's a brand of plastic tubing that seems to get some solvent action going with CA. The plastic gets soft and gooey, and will string if the joint is pulled apart. Two pieces bonded this way will ooze a bead of gummy plastic when pressed together. Heat doesn't seem to be a factor at all.(Evergreen?Plastruct?.....I don't know- I just buy the stuff off the rack at the model RR shop......some sort of ABS plastic?) RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:06:04 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale Message-ID: <1020787564.3cd7fb6c6e88f@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Diego Fernetti : > Yes, the best Spad XIII kit I know of is the Czechmaster resin kit, I > got > mine from Juan at Sopwith Hobbies (and he even speaks spanish!!) The > Revell > bird is 1/69 and somehow big once compared to the scale drawings, but is > far, far,far better than the Academy or the Esci (speaking of wich I > compared them and no, they're not the exact same molds) Although the moulds are not the same, parts from one fit exactly on the other !! Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:28:20 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I hate tall bottles! Message-ID: <20020507163119.SSUY17922.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > >Ah...the old "Why the heck didn't we evolve a third hand" routine. > > I thought that was what my tail was for - that's why I don't need a > jig to put on the top wing. Shazam...so that's why you make such beautiful models. I'm afraid is my butt gets close enough to my work to grab it, those 1/72 parts won't have a chance. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:34:09 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale Message-ID: <015801c1f5e5$032a3c20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave! > Although the moulds are not the same, parts from one fit exactly on the other !! Except the radiator cowl, wich was the only one part I wanted to replace. :-( D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:37:44 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: OT - Dragon Rapide Message-ID: <016401c1f5e5$83fd0e40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Going even before, IIRC the DH3 was the ancestor of the DH10, so the concept of the twin engined DeHavilland design goes back to 1915 or 16. Has anyone the two-volume history of De Havilland aircraft handy to compare them? The "rapides" also have the characteristic "pionted" wing, but I guess that this didn't appear in any DH design during the War D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Nicklas To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: OT - Dragon Rapide > > AFAIK the design evolved from a previous one named just "Dragon" without > uc fairings and smaller engines. > >> Yes, understand that. > > As for OTness, we can mention that the characteristic finand rudder shape > came from the DH4 and kept going on to WW2 years. > >> Yes, the famous de Havilland "signature" > > I bet that structurally the Dragons can trace its ancestry to the DH10 > >> Aha, now that is interesting, Thanks Diego! > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:39:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: French Strutter Bomber question Message-ID: <017b01c1f5e5$d2754060$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Incidentally, a device to release bombs from Sopwith strutters was invented by the first night-bombing pilot of the French Air Service, an argentinian named Vicente Almandós Almonacid. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: [WWI] French Strutter Bomber question > In looking over photos for the 1.Bx version of the Sopwith Strutter, one thing is striking. > > I tend to believe that the underside "bomb bay doors" (for lack of a better term) are *not* the same as the British counterparts. Why should they be, since the British hung the bombs horizontally and the French hung them vertically? But be that as it may, I still can not find any references for the shape, size and location of the French "doors". Anybody have anything that could help? TIA! > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: bill anthony To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Blue Max LVG C.VI on Modeling Madness Message-ID: <20020507164528.38275.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Very nicedly done Blue Max LVG C.VI on modellingmadness.com at http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/w1/goodinlvg.htm Bill A. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:54:31 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale Message-ID: <000101c1f5e7$dc2a6160$770101c0@ghunter> <<1/72 scale is very addictive. It's the crack of scale modeling! To: Subject: fray bentos Message-ID: <01a601c1f5e7$8be6e520$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Neil! There's a town in Uruguay called "Fray Bentos" (literally Friar Bentos). They have a port facility much like we have in our city. Bentos was supposedly a monk who lived a secluded existence in one of the caves of the area. Why a food of the englanders would be called like that? Maybe the beef was imported from that port? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: NEIL EDDY > In World War One they called it "Frey Bentos"..... > > All the Best > > Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:53:23 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: I hate tall bottles! Message-ID: <04b001c1f5e7$b3eeb2a0$be4d39cc@mesystem> We did not evolve a third hand because God did not want us to do that. He forces us to accept, at the very least, some sort of responsibility. If he had done that he would have eliminated the need for a rear gunner on the WW I and II planes. Then what would we have to complain about. A fourth hand??? Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kendix" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: I hate tall bottles! > >From: Larry Marshall > > > >Ah...the old "Why the heck didn't we evolve a third hand" routine. > > I thought that was what my tail was for - that's why I don't need a jig to > put on the top wing. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:59:47 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: I hate tall bottles! Message-ID: <01ea01c1f5e8$97dc4ea0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lee wrote > If he had done that he would have eliminated the need for a rear gunner on > the WW I and II planes. > Then what would we have to complain about. A fourth hand??? Not as much as having another couple of eyes in the back... D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:01:04 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: RE: B. Koster e-mail Address (fwd) Message-ID: <04d801c1f5e8$c6d43ba0$be4d39cc@mesystem> I do not know how good it is now. He may have given up on that one and have something new. I have had three during the past two years so that is how things go. My present one has been around the longest of any and it is close to 3 years old now and doing just fine. Two others were started with great promises and miserable accomplishments. Lee m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Hunter" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: B. Koster e-mail Address (fwd) > I was one of those looking for his email address. And the wkoster2@home.com > bounced and was returned as undeliverable. Is this address now back and > running? If not how about his phone number? I had a number for him as well > and it was Not In Service. > TIA, Graham > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:03 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <20020507170001.RNIN11344.tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Well that's a nice thought, but the harsh reality is that if we go > over to a subscriber-only system, I'm pretty sure that it will be a > permanent thing. Spam is not a temporary problem. It's a fact of > life that will be with us from now on. Allan, I just did a search on Diego's email address. He's written a lot of stuff here :-) It also seems that this is the only place he goes on the Internet so he's an example of someone who, if he didn't write here, would be fairly immune from spam mail. But of the ONE HUNDRED pages of listings that contain his email address, most of them are in the archives....mountains of archives. Shutting the door on the list won't change access to that rich email list even a little bit. I reiterate this point with an example for one reason. There are two issues here and they're being intertwined. The first is the existence of a few spam msgs in the WWI conference. Personally, I don't think that's a big deal, although it's annoying. The second issue is whether participation affects how much spam is sent directly to members. As you know, this second issue isn't addressed by simply making the write access to the conference a subscriber-only thing. It would require major changes to how the website and list are handled, specifically any place where there is a personal identity would have to be eliminated. Each of these issues should be thought about separately in my opinion. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:02:21 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <20020507170520.KCII21254.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > This is my feeling too, but I really wanted the whole list to have > a 'say' on this. I tend to shy away from making list-altering > decisions without getting a concensus. Alan, since I haven't rung in on what I think we should do, I will. I agree with Steve in that I don't think closing the list does much good at all and dealing with new member clearance could become a headache for you. I'd hate to see archives and such lost. Rather, I think it's important for people to understand that writing anything, anywhere on the Internet subjects you to spam. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:04:25 -0400 From: Steven Perry To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: SPAD XIII's in teeny scale Message-ID: <3CD80919.5040309@tampabay.rr.com> Graham Hunter wrote: > <<1/72 scale is very addictive. It's the crack of scale modeling! > > Oh No DB has gone over to the Darkside... > I think all that studying has caused some damage... Nah, Dave's finally seen the bi-scalar light. Fun is fun in any scale. More scales, more fun. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:05:10 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <20020507170809.KEFA21254.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> On Tuesday 07 May 2002 10:11 am, you wrote: > In response to Diego's survey request: > - the spam does not bother me, personally. > - the spam cannot hurt your system, because the List Processor has > already defanged all javsacript and embedded objects and > attachments. - If possible, Allan should see if it is possible to > truncate posting larger than, say, 2K. This will be good for > subscribers with slow connections. ...I'm quoting this back to you in its entirety as I just saved it. Your msg was 1.4k. Are you sure you want to shut us up that much? Cheers --- Larry "sending back a 2k reply" Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:13:18 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <025001c1f5ea$7bdcb9e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Cheers --- Larry "sending back a 2k reply" Marshall It came through Larry, maybe it was below that ;-) You have a point. Maybe 3K? 4K and we make a deal? D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 03:17:28 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: fray bentos Message-ID: <025901c1f5eb$10f20260$778586cb@default> Diego; Fray Bentos was tinned chipped beef, and was part of the regular diet of the Tommy in the trenches. It is still around today - I bought a tin a while ago to se what it was like , had a little bit and then served the rest to my cats (they seemed to like it). Also there was a Mk IV (I think it was a Mk IV)Male tank named Fray Bentos, which, after becoming stranded, held up a German counter attack for 24 hours in 1917. I believe Fray Bentos was available pre-war also - whether it was imported from Uruguay originally, I don't know. My tin was an English product. All the Best Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:53 AM Subject: [WWI] fray bentos > Hi Neil! > There's a town in Uruguay called "Fray Bentos" (literally Friar Bentos). > They have a port facility much like we have in our city. Bentos was > supposedly a monk who lived a secluded existence in one of the caves of the > area. > Why a food of the englanders would be called like that? Maybe the beef was > imported from that port? > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NEIL EDDY > > In World War One they called it "Frey Bentos"..... > > > > All the Best > > > > Neil E > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:12:54 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <20020507171732.IIEC3324.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > I think it is time to go to a subscriber only list...While no > serious damage has been done yet, for the first time I got a > message telling me that I sent/received a message with the klez > virus...It had the list header in it...I also do most of my reading You know why? It has nothing to do with how this list operates and probably has nothing to do with your computer. BUT, someone, who has the email address of this list in their addressbook, and who also has your email address in their addressbook, DID get infected with Klez. In short, if this had been a subscriber list, it's pretty darn likely that you still would have gotten that msg as it's pretty unlikely that a non-member would also have the list email address in their addressbook. > at work during the day...While my company doesn't mind all that > much, if something were to happen, our list would be added to the > blocking filters we have on our firewall. See my other msgs to understand where the vulnerability that is your concern comes from. Those vulnerabilities won't be eliminated even a little bit by making this list a subscriber list. BTW, if you're concerned, you should be equally concerned about smmlonline.com/archives where your name/address appears often. I point this out only to show you how easy it is to find your email address on the web. You have hundreds of listings in the WWI archives too, of course. None of the access to this stuff is eliminated by making the list a subscriber list. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:22:01 EDT From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I hate tall bottles! Message-ID: <88.17e65f40.2a096739@aol.com> Listees are welcome to send all their unwanted tall bottles to me. The green ones with "Moet" on the labels are my special favourite. cheers (hic!) Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:27:22 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the b Message-ID: <20020507173021.TPGY6552.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > "kick". On the same general subject- CA, I thought I'd mention that > there's a brand of plastic tubing that seems to get some solvent Kicker is mostly affecting a pH change. > will ooze a bead of gummy plastic when pressed together. Heat > doesn't seem to be a factor at all.(Evergreen?Plastruct?.....I While I have little experience using CA on plastic models, if you think there's no heat involved, dribble some thin CA on your finger and squirt kicker on it. It won't hurt very long :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:33:57 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I hate tall bottles! Message-ID: <3e.1dda81a3.2a096a05@aol.com> In a message dated 5/7/02 10:24:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, PetersList@aol.com writes: << Listees are welcome to send all their unwanted tall bottles to me. The green ones with "Moet" on the labels are my special favourite. cheers (hic!) Peter L >> well......I have two empties. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:38:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <200205071738.NAA47272@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > I point this out only to show you how easy it is to find your email > address on the web. You have hundreds of listings in the WWI > archives too, of course. None of the access to this stuff is > eliminated by making the list a subscriber list. Actually, the format of the archives (txt files and not html files) somewhat protects you from the web robots. The files are available for anyone to read but the robots don't bother with them because there are plenty of .html files to search. Now your model gallery..... that's another story... Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <200205071739.NAA18615@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > On Tuesday 07 May 2002 10:11 am, you wrote: > > In response to Diego's survey request: > > - the spam does not bother me, personally. > > - the spam cannot hurt your system, because the List Processor has > > already defanged all javsacript and embedded objects and > > attachments. - If possible, Allan should see if it is possible to > > truncate posting larger than, say, 2K. This will be good for > > subscribers with slow connections. > > ...I'm quoting this back to you in its entirety as I just saved > it. Your msg was 1.4k. Are you sure you want to shut us up that > much? > > Cheers --- Larry "sending back a 2k reply" Marshall Actually the change I made to the filter to limit to 2K will probably not take effect until the next time I restart the list software or reboot. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:41:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <200205071741.NAA44279@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > Allan, I just did a search on Diego's email address. He's written a > lot of stuff here :-) It also seems that this is the only place he > goes on the Internet so he's an example of someone who, if he didn't > write here, would be fairly immune from spam mail. But of the ONE > HUNDRED pages of listings that contain his email address, most of > them are in the archives....mountains of archives. Shutting the door > on the list won't change access to that rich email list even a little > bit. > > I reiterate this point with an example for one reason. There are two > issues here and they're being intertwined. The first is the > existence of a few spam msgs in the WWI conference. Personally, I > don't think that's a big deal, although it's annoying. The second > issue is whether participation affects how much spam is sent directly > to members. As you know, this second issue isn't addressed by simply > making the write access to the conference a subscriber-only thing. > It would require major changes to how the website and list are > handled, specifically any place where there is a personal identity > would have to be eliminated. Each of these issues should be thought > about separately in my opinion. Well said Larry, I agree with your identification of the two problems and with your conclusions. Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:09:04 -0400 From: "stefenk" To: "WWI Modeling List" Subject: Re: Seeking photos of Alb's with mauve Message-ID: Good morning, Meine Damen und Herren, Mon, 6 May 2002 at 18:41:00 +0200 Herr Trauner schreiben, "Oh, Stefen! What are you trying?" Ah, that's for me to know and for you to help with! ;-) "Trying to prove that Albatroses in green/mauve had been pale grey/ light grey in reality?" No, guess again! "Eindeckers camouflaged, Walfische pale yellow....how far will you go now?" As far as the evidence takes me, whatever Herr Abbott"s reading of tea leaves suggests! " Lozenge constists of grey, blue, brown and black..?" Rest easy on this point, since I've had the good fortune of seeing the original fabric from the Staehle Halberstadts. "More serious: ... Don't argue with your b/w experiments in the 'other' forum, please. To change a 32bit bitmap electronically to 8bit proves nothing." Nothing? Absolutely nothing? I'm shocked, really. I would have hoped you had a more experimental streak in you. "There definitely was an order to change camo from green/brown to green/mauve. Even if DSA is saying so, this order exists." Oh, I'm satisfied there was one. If you have a copy or a transcription or a translation or a reference to a published version of same, would you be kind enough to post it or e-mail me. Same goes for the "sky" directive. I've asked the redoubtable DSA for one, but I think I've strained our relationship. I wonder why. Could it have anything to do with my call for his validating his method of black-and-white color matching? Let me know what you think. :-) Best wishes to all, Stefen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:46:43 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I hate tall bottles! Message-ID: >From: "Lee M." > >We did not evolve a third hand because God did not want us to do >that. He >forces us to accept, at the very least, some sort of >responsibility. If it was God's will for us not to have a 3rd hand, we are responsible for the outcome. It's a bad bureacracy that gives you responsibility without control! Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:45:43 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spam blizzard Message-ID: <20020507174842.HQDM8715.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Actually the change I made to the filter to limit to 2K will > probably not take effect until the next time I restart the list > software or reboot. Alan, I've already had a msg bounced as 'too long'. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:52:04 -0500 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: B. Koster e-mail Address (fwd) Message-ID: >I was one of those looking for his email address. And the wkoster2@home.com >bounced and was returned as undeliverable. Is this address now back and >running? If not how about his phone number? I had a number for him as well >and it was Not In Service. >TIA, Graham FWIW, I would think that if Bill wanted to have a tom of email flooding his personal mail box, he would have published it long ago. I have known Bill for a long time now, and he is what we call semi retired. He does his models because he wants to not because he has to. I think that if anyone does have an address Bill has given them, they could act as a messenger and give bill the intended message and let him decide if we wants to reply. I know that I would not to have the one private mail box of mine published for the world to see. That is why I have a couple of publicly known addresses. JP ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4387 **********************