WWI Digest 4382 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Joint life: was... back to the basics by Larry Marshall 2) RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by Larry Marshall 3) Re: Joint life: was... back to the basics by "Michael Kendix" 4) RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by "Michael Kendix" 5) RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by "Diego Fernetti" 6) RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by "Michael Kendix" 7) RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by Larry Marshall 8) RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by "Diego Fernetti" 9) Roland Garros by "Diego Fernetti" 10) ASSISTANCE NEEDED ( CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL) by "tanko yerima" 11) RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: back to the basics by Crawford Neil 13) Re: Was ist das? by "tsollers" 14) Re: Was ist das? by "Steven Perry" 15) [Fwd: [TFZ] Book Review: Tank] by "Brian Nicklas" 16) 电脑配件 ( 大特价 ) by tony@sohu.com 17) Re: Nie. 11 modelpics by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 18) another update by Mark Miller 19) RE: another update by "Diego Fernetti" 20) Re: another update by "Mark C" 21) Re: Seeking photos of Alb's with mauve by "Hans Trauner" 22) Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by "Hans Trauner" 23) RE: knife basics by "Harris, Mack" 24) Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the basics by Larry Marshall 25) Artillery description by Mark Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 07:00:08 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: <20020506110257.CJIU22898.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > SO the question is: what is the effective life of hardened cyano, > and do its joints retain their tenacious nature? Does anyone here > actually know, as opposed to guess and rumour? The real answer to this would have to come from someone who'd been around a very long time and who has finally seen a CA joint fall apart of its own volition. While I've been around for a long time, I've never seen a CA joint failure. What I can say is that currently I have an RC airplane that I built in 1992 (10 years ago). It's had hundreds of flights on it and done thousands of touch-n-goes. In spite of these gyrations that a static model wouldn't suffer, it's never had a CA joint fail. It's also the case that back in the 70s the company that introduced CA to modelers (they sold HotStuff) had videos that they used to overcome our biased point of view that CA was quick but fragile (we used it only for field repairs). They'd take airplanes and fly them into walls and such, showing us that while the balsa broke, the CA joints never came apart. While I'll still keep watching for a joint to fail so that I can directly answer your question, maybe those two anecdotes will serve while I'm waiting :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 07:03:54 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: <20020506110643.CKDN22898.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > The shelf-life of CA is an interesting question, I have never CA doesn't do well in a moist atmosphere. Sealed bottles are best kept in the freezer. When you take one out of the freezer it should be left closed until it reaches room temperature and carefully wiped off to dry the bottle. You can actually improve the shelf-life of an open bottle of CA by keeping it in a sealed bottle with a sac of silica gel inside. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:28:57 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: >From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard >Last thing: am I the ONLY person who HATES filling and filing that >seam all the way around the fuselage? No, I hate that too. Constantly running downstairs to spray, find I haven't filled a seam properly, run upstairs, re-sand, re-scribe, rundownstairs, re-spray, run upstairs..... Who says this isn't a physically active hobby? >I've built a few tanks >recently, and I must admit it was a pleasure not to have to worry >about it. So fine, then you have to worry about the cheapo vinyl track breaking or not going all the way round on the Emhar Mark IV or if it's a decent kit, doing all those link-and-length track pieces:). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:33:05 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: >From: "Diego Fernetti" >I don't specially like that as well, but the thing I do REALLY hate is >the >usual gap between lower wing uppersurfaces and the fuselage sides. >And >after that chore, drilling the rigging points just over the putty, >that >usually chips off!!! That's because that Squadron White stuff is only good for filling mouseholes - in fact, Squadron should advertise their product using two little anthropomorpihc people "Shrink" and "Chip! I prefer either CA or else auto body putty. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 08:39:47 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: <032001c1f4f2$b9f6b260$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> In fact I use Tamiya tube putty for these small seams but the comments apply as well. I'm afraid the using CA I may smear something onto the fuselage side. I must try the Auto body putty, as I've seen this in the auto detailing store a while ago (when I had to replace the right rearview mirror that a vandal took away, grrrrr) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:34 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > >I don't specially like that as well, but the thing I do REALLY hate is >the > >usual gap between lower wing uppersurfaces and the fuselage sides. >And > >after that chore, drilling the rigging points just over the putty, >that > >usually chips off!!! > > That's because that Squadron White stuff is only good for filling mouseholes > - in fact, Squadron should advertise their product using two little > anthropomorpihc people "Shrink" and "Chip! I prefer either CA or else auto > body putty. > > Michael > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:45:24 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: >From: "Diego Fernetti" > >I'm afraid the using CA I may smear something onto the fuselage side. >I >must try the Auto body putty, as I've seen this in the auto >detailing >store a while ago (when I had to replace the right rearview >mirror that a >vandal took away, grrrrr) I use a cocktail stick to apply CA - really carefuly along the seam when needed. Then I use the Kicker to solidify it immediately. It can then be sanded and once flat, scribed. Don't wait longer than a few minutes to sand it though because it hardens over time. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 07:54:31 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: <20020506115721.CXUZ22898.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > I use a cocktail stick to apply CA - really carefuly along the seam > when needed. A dandy way to apply CA is by using needles. I've got a set of 3 that I use regularly. One is a large quilting needle and probably of no use in plastics modeling. Another is very small and holds almost no CA. The middle one is 'just right' for most things. Anyways, what I did was stick the pointy ends into small wooden handles (hunks of balsa with a color code applied) and then I cut off the top part of the eye, leaving a small 'fork' affair. It will grab a small drop of CA and drop it exactly where you contact the needle on the model. > Then I use the Kicker to solidify it immediately. It Kicker is great but only for the impatient. It tends to put really tiny airbubbles in the CA joint in my experience. > can then be sanded and once flat, scribed. Don't wait longer than > a few minutes to sand it though because it hardens over time. Sanding CA is not my favorite thing as the materials on either side of it (unless they're metal) are always much softer. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 08:57:50 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: <000501c1f4f5$3fa000e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> OK, I'll try next time. In fact, As I gave the first coat of enamel to the Spad I detected a flaw in the wingroot (one more!) I may try it very soon, if I feel corageous. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > > >I'm afraid the using CA I may smear something onto the fuselage side. >I > >must try the Auto body putty, as I've seen this in the auto >detailing > >store a while ago (when I had to replace the right rearview >mirror that a > >vandal took away, grrrrr) > > I use a cocktail stick to apply CA - really carefuly along the seam when > needed. Then I use the Kicker to solidify it immediately. It can then be > sanded and once flat, scribed. Don't wait longer than a few minutes to sand > it though because it hardens over time. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:03:01 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Roland Garros Message-ID: <000f01c1f4f5$f8557700$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey! I finally settled for a paint scheme for the Spad XIII model I'm restoring: Roland Garros' "30" built by Bleriot and used during 1918. As I've read on the AG booklet, it was in this aircraft that poor Roland found his fate. Has anyone a picture of this aircraft? I just have the crude drawing of the booklet.Besides that, I don't know the serial number neither. Maybe new info on that has been disclosed. 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I have also mapped out 5% of this money for all kinds of expenses incurred in the process of this transaction. If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 20% of the money while the remaining 75% will be for my investment in your country. Contact me with the above and E-mail address while I implore you to maintain the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. Thanks, GOD BLESS YOU Yours Faithfully, TANKO YERIMA. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:38:45 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: >From: Larry Marshall >Kicker is great but only for the impatient. Not correct - see below. >It tends to put really tiny airbubbles in the CA joint in my >experience. yes but, ibid. >Sanding CA is not my favorite thing as the materials on either side >of it (unless they're metal) are always much softer. Again, let me reiterate that you must, that is "must" sand the CA before it hardens too much. Yes, of course, you lose detail from sanding but that's what the rescribing tool is for:). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:53:04 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: back to the basics Message-ID: > The big problem is that it's really nasty on lungs and lots of people > become allergic to it. I used to buy it by the case of 24 bottles > for my R/C and F/F building. In recent years I've moved back to > using other glues, saving CA use for only those cases where holding > things in place for long periods of time is not practical. I have that problem, but I can't do without CA, so I use it only when I must, and wear a gasmask. I usually plan modelling so that all CA-glueing is done last thing, so I can shut the door to the hobby-room and go to bed. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:40:02 -0400 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Was ist das? Message-ID: <200205061340.g46De3901209@mail.bcpl.net> Nice work Steve! That figure looks familiar... Tom ---------- >From: "Steven Perry" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Was ist das? >Date: Sat, May 4, 2002, 8:31 PM > > Photo of my Fokker D.VII mini diorama at: > http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/vdh.jpg > > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:50:09 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Was ist das? Message-ID: <001d01c1f504$effb9080$8a301c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Nice work Steve! That figure looks familiar... > > Tom :-) Thanks Tom. The figure has arms and hands from 2 other figures. I repainted the gray parts of the uniform to cover up the surgical scars but left the piping, the face and of course the muddy boots. I sure appreciate the figures. There are several other WWI figures still in the bag, so anyone needing one for a diorama LMK and I'll try to find one that will work. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:26:52 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: [Fwd: [TFZ] Book Review: Tank] Message-ID: Review forwarded by a friend - I thought "the list" might appreciate... -Brian May 5, 2002 'Tank': Annals of the Land Battleship By BRUCE McCALL I know a man in France who since boyhood has gone out digging in World War I battlefields at every opportunity, braving the very real risks of being blown to bits by an unexploded shell, with one consuming goal in mind. A few years ago he achieved it: the discovery and excavation of an intact British tank, nicknamed Deborah, that had sat buried 20 feet deep in the chalky earth near Cambrai for 80-odd years. Deborah has been restored and presented to a nearby village as a memorial of the world's first major tank battle. The man's labor and perseverance and expertise have never earned him a sou. He never expected them to. He's just obsessed with tanks. It's made spookily clear in Patrick Wright's book ''Tank: The Progress of a Monstrous War Machine'' that my friend in France isn't the only one obsessed. The tank is as much golem as weapon. It was the first drivable vehicle expressly built for ending human lives; it is also a 10- or 20- or 30-ton ironclad automaton, clumsily Frankensteinian of movement, a blank-eyed, half-blind beast inexorably flattening everything in its path as it clanks and squeals and rumbles toward its prey. One of its ways of ending human life might well be that of simply scaring people to death. Indeed, there has always been about the tank a quasi-pornographic allure. Describing its symbolism as ''an unstable juxtaposition of sex and violence,'' one early chronicler wrote of the tank, Wright tells us, as ''a curiously ambivalent, even androgynous machine which combined male attributes like hardness, thrust and penetration with the feminine security to be found within Old Mother Hubbard's protective metal skirts.'' This thick and addictively readable book is a searching meditation on the tank's strange power to stoke our most primitive responses, wrapped around enough historical, technological and tactical bulk to sate a military scholar. It teems with geniuses, zealots and crackpots all curiously drawn to the cause of the tank, while still finding space for diversions like the ''tank mania'' that swept Britain midway through the Great War, leading to tank-themed London stage extravaganzas and a near-magical wallet-emptying effect whenever one of those toad-ugly, rhomboid-shaped early monsters was deployed on behalf of war loans in this or that civic square. A pretty story it isn't, and not only because the tank's battlefield mission is so bluntly destructive and involves squashing things and people as much as shooting them, or because a direct hit so often turns a tank into a giant toaster for the crews trapped inside. The tank has historically been a nightmare to deal with, even far from the fray. Its backers have tended to the fanatic and its doubters to blood enmity since before the tank was even called a tank. More energy has been expended in squabbling over its role, from this or that individual skirmish up to the broadest issues of national military strategy, than the tank itself has ever been allowed to expend in battle; this has subjected tank design to a tug of war between the visionaries and the bureaucrats and everybody caught in the middle, resulting in endless numbers of committee triumphs and battlefield duds. The tank and the idea of mechanized warfare more or less stumbled to fruition shortly after the onset of World War I, when it was dimly glimpsed that an armored ''land cruiser'' might help break the bloody stalemate of trench warfare on the Western Front. It well might have, but the high-born cavalrymen who ran the British Army, in love with horses, the horsy life, the cavalry charge and the spurs on their boots, ached to throttle the idea at birth. Many were still plotting to suffocate it up to World War II. The British had invented the thing and by 1918, despite constant official indifference and high command hostility, led the world in tank expertise by a huge margin -- only to let momentum then so flag that at the beginning of World War II, Britain's tanks led the world only in their backwardness. The losers always learn better than the winners in war: Germany, whose sole World War I tank was a barn-sized 11th-hour monstrosity of no military impact, would so avidly grasp and exploit its malign potential in the interwar years that the Nazi panzers spearheaded not only the blitzkrieg of 1940 but virtually every successful land campaign that Hitler mounted thereafter. Stalin too understood the tank; it was his vast legions of indestructible T-34's that turned the tide of Hitler's invasion and chased the Germans all the way back to Berlin in 1945. What began as a crude mechanized gun platform- cum-battering ram has morphed over the past 50 years into an electronics-stuffed wizard of remote-control warfare far too costly to risk in one-to-one tank-versus-tank shootouts or in storming enemy lines. This book is anything but another catalog of facts and figures for the war buff. Wright liberates military history from the military expert's blinkered view and places the saga of the tank in human, political, philosophical and occasionally even metaphysical contexts that draw ideas into his book the way a magnet draws iron filings, and fill it with life. His prologue, for example, is a lengthy disquisition on that now-legendary 1989 confrontation in Tiananmen Square between an unarmed student and a Chinese Army tank. In his zeal to know and explain everything, he sometimes risks imposing rumination fatigue on the reader, as in a dense chapter pondering whether or not the Polish cavalry actually launched heroically suicidal charges against invading Nazi tanks in September 1939. (Probably, but not on the grand scale that has embedded that image in the legends of futility.) An even longer account, of the influence of the occultist and eventual German sympathizer Aleister Crowley on J. F. C. Fuller, Britain's most enlightened and vociferous tank advocate of the interwar years until he soured into a Fascist crank, reads as if we've wandered off into the middle of a very dark and very strange biography. But so what. Wright can't help it if he knows everything anybody ever thought or wrote about the tank and tells us what it all ultimately means. We should all be deeply grateful that he has done us the favor of pouring so much into this rich, fascinating, definitive book. Bruce McCall is a writer and illustrator. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:02:59 +0800 From: tony@sohu.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 电脑配件 ( 大特价 ) Message-ID: <3CD638510002C826@mta01.san.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) =3CHTML=3E=3CHEAD=3E =3CSTYLE=3E=3C=2FSTYLE=3E =3C=2FHEAD=3E =3CBODY bgColor=3D#ffffff=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT size=3D2=3E=C4=E3=BA=C3=A3=A1=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT 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A408=A3=BA1540 =3B =3B =3B R208=A3=BA650=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E =3B=3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CFONT size=3D2=3E=3CFONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D4=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=3CFONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D4=3E=3CSTRONG=3E=C1=AA=CF=B5=C8=CB=A3=BA=D0=ED=CD=FE=C8=CA=3CBR=3E=C1=AA=CF=B5=B5=E7=BB=B0=A3=BA =A3=A80=A3=A913860731885=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FSTRONG=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FFONT=3E=3C=2FDIV=3E =3CDIV=3E =3B=3C=2FDIV=3E=3C=2FBODY=3E=3C=2FHTML=3E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:12:09 +0200 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nie. 11 modelpics Message-ID: <174k9p-26xg8WC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> Hi folks, Hi Diego, for my thick fingers 1/72 would be a flaw and so I do the models in 1/48 (rigging would be so much easier). The groundboard I show my models are made with gras you can find by HO (1/87) scale trainmodelling. The photo in the backround I shot outside and let it increase in a photoshop. Greetings Andreas Diego Fernetti schrieb: > I saw that one the same day I saw Bill's 11, I'm sorry I missed to comment > it: it's great, Andreas > Besides your excellent model (the only flaw I could find is that is made in > 1/48!) I like very much the groundwork you do to show your models. Can you > elaborate on what do you use to make it? > D. > > > >From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Nie. 11 modelpics > >Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 07:21:51 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Hi gang, > > > >I have posted some images from the Eduard Nieuport 11 to the galleries. > > > >Greetings > >Andreas martin > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: another update Message-ID: <20020506153816.43694.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com> Posted 2 Camel images I generated over the weekend I guess I'm on a roll :-) http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Camel/index.html Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:09:11 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: another update Message-ID: <000701c1f518$5cc4b4e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> They look great but... who stole the propeller? Excellent work, as usual. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Miller To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [WWI] another update > Posted 2 Camel images I generated over the weekend > I guess I'm on a roll :-) > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Camel/index.html > > Mark > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:33:32 -0400 From: "Mark C" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: another update Message-ID: >From: Mark Miller >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] another update >Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:40:40 -0400 (EDT) > >Posted 2 Camel images I generated over the weekend >I guess I'm on a roll :-) >http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Camel/index.html > >Mark > Splendid! Makes me ever more impatient for Eduard to make a 1/48 Camel. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world抯 largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:41:00 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Seeking photos of Alb's with mauve Message-ID: <001d01c1f51c$ce5438c0$98ab72d4@FRITZweb> Oh, Stefen! What are you trying? Trying to prove that Albatroses in green/mauve had been pale grey/ light grey in reality? Eindeckers camouflaged, Walfische pale yellow....how far will you go now? Lozenge constists of grey, blue, brown and black..? ;-) Hans P.S:More serious: Take a look for two.tone DV's. What's about Jasta 5 'flash' ' D.V (non-lozenge-version)piloted by Hippel? Profile page 5. Don't argue with your b/w experiments in the 'other' forum, please. To change a 32bit bitmap electronically to 8bit proves nothing. There definitely was an order to change camo from green/brown to green/mauve. Even if DSA is saying so, this order exists. H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stefenk" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:29 AM Subject: [WWI] Seeking photos of Alb's with mauve > G'day, all-- > > Can anyone point me in the direction of some good photographs of Alb. D.x > wings plaininly showing factory- or field-applied violet ("mauve") > camouflage. I have the Albatros Albatros Special and the Profile Alb. D.V > publications. > > Thanks and best wishes to all, > Stefen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:48:42 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: <004f01c1f51d$e18f34c0$98ab72d4@FRITZweb> I am using a knife blade: Pointed type with straight cutting edge. I put some CA on a metal surface and tip the knife in, just with the cutting side. Then I move along the seam, like cutting with the complete edge. Capillary actions does the rest. Makes perfect seams and CA lines. I never use 'Zapper' or such stuff. It's smelly and dissolves plastic ( the sorts available here, do!) Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:47:04 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: knife basics Message-ID: Man, Hans, would I like to see you do this.:) Now I've got to go buy a whole set of knives to go along with all the other tools I have and don't use. This hobby gets more dangerous every day. Mack -----Original Message----- From: Hans Trauner [mailto:hans.trauner@nefkom.net] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the basics I am using a knife blade: Pointed type with straight cutting edge. I put some CA on a metal surface and tip the knife in, just with the cutting side. Then I move along the seam, like cutting with the complete edge. Capillary actions does the rest. Makes perfect seams and CA lines. I never use 'Zapper' or such stuff. It's smelly and dissolves plastic ( the sorts available here, do!) Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:32:50 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: applying CA wasRE: Joint life: was... back to the basics Message-ID: <20020506173541.MYUI21254.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > I never use 'Zapper' or such stuff. It's smelly and dissolves > plastic ( the sorts available here, do!) The amount of heat produced by CA is directly related to the rate of the reaction. CA doesn't 'dry', it's a chemical process and that process is exothermic. The kicker speeds that process, creating all of the heat in a very short period of time. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Artillery description Message-ID: <20020506173548.52441.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Added Robert Horton's comments to the artillery page: http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Various/Artillery/index.html Thanks Robert mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4382 **********************