WWI Digest 4379 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: another update by Larry Marshall 2) Re: Which Strutter kit is preferable? by "ot811" 3) Re: Which Strutter kit is preferable? by Larry Marshall 4) Back by Dave Fleming 5) RE: Bob Pearson's CD & Wings with Wires by "Bob Pearson" 6) Clerget photos - was another update by knuterha@eunet.no 7) Re:Model Ts by knuterha@eunet.no 8) Re: Clerget photos - was another update by Larry Marshall 9) RE: Bob Pearson's CD & Wings with Wires by Larry Marshall 10) RE: Bob Pearson's CD & Wings with Wires by Larry Marshall 11) back to the basics by Larry Marshall 12) Re: back to the basics by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re:Model Ts by Steve Cox 14) A couple quick questions... by "Mark C" 15) Was ist das? by "Steven Perry" 16) RE: Was ist das? by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 17) RE: Was ist das? by "Steven Perry" 18) New SPAD decals reviewed by Carlos Valdes 19) 电脑维修开班在即，请尽快与我们联系 by <电脑维修＠北京> 20) Re: back to the basics by Larry Marshall 21) Back by Paul Thompson 22) HK Company Formation only HK$4,300.- by ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 11:45:33 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: another update Message-ID: <20020504154809.JRKT5561.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > The sideview cross-section (excelent drawing) does not > contain all the data needed figure out these parts - > because they are not on the centerline. But I think I > can get a pretty good idea from the photos. Do you have the Camel Datafile? I found mine, which I'd mis-filed. the middle of it has an isometric, including one that's a 3/4 rear view of the 9B. It shows fueld tank too, as well as all piping into the carb, the oil tank is located as well as thing like the carb intake. > And unless I'm mistaken, it looks like Mr. Wylam has > again decided to be inventive. He was prolific and his drawings pretty but often they were innacurate. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 12:23:55 -0400 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Which Strutter kit is preferable? Message-ID: <006001c1f388$1d8a76c0$6501a8c0@delos> Larry, You are right. The 'exact phrase' search does not seem to work as I expect. And yes Sopwith AND Triplane will return unwanted hits. Here's another thought. I checked the google site. In advanced search they have an option of limiting search to a specific site. I tried setting it to www.wwi-models.org. This seems to work better. Better still, it has another option that limits search to the Title of the page. So one pssibility is to stuff the keywords into the title tag. I think there are other search engine out there that can score on proximity of two words and so on. Coming back to your original suggestion, it has the classic problem of "what to index". The index page (or pages) you set up can be optimized only the particular kind of query you want. Eg, If I wanted to search for all models that used Americal decals, (I am getting exotic here), you would need a separate index page for that. Whereas with a search engine, you would need the discipline to put important keywords in the page. Much like the way libraries catalog books. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 12:47:20 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Which Strutter kit is preferable? Message-ID: <20020504164956.QQKZ23602.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Here's another thought. I checked the google site. In advanced search they have an option of limiting search to a specific site. Lateral thinking at its finest! Yes, I love their advanced search engine. I just tried it on WWI and it works great. Only downside is that it also picks up all the references in the msg archives but those seem to follow all the graphics hits so they can just be ignored. > www.wwi-models.org. This seems to work better. > Better still, it has another option that limits search to the Title > of the page. Not sure why I'd want that as it's the graphics access we're after. The "main page" in this case is doesn't have any references to specific aircraft. > So one pssibility is to stuff the keywords into the title tag. > I think there are other search engine out there that can score on > proximity of two words and so on. Still don't see what you see here. If the graphics descriptions contain "Toko 1/72 Sopwith Strutter", putting those same words in a keywords tag won't change the hit success. > Coming back to your original suggestion, it has the classic problem > of "what to index". The index page (or pages) you set up can be We're back to "work" :-) Beyond manufacturer, scale and aircraft, I don't think you can do much better as each description is unique. The only way to do what you suggest would be to have a "Specs" sheet associated with each model that contained entries like: Manufacturer: Toko Aircraft: Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Scale: 1/72 Decals: kit decals only Detail parts: Aeroclub prop, Tom's Modelworks gun Paint: Misterkit PC-10, Humbrol Radonne Tan Rigging: .005" stainless etc..... While it might be nice, it would also cause some people to say, "Too much trouble" and to go back and get all that info for everything already here (an impressive amount of stuff) would be tough. > Eg, If I wanted to search for all models that used Americal decals, > (I am getting exotic here), you would need a separate index page Not so exotic, given your idea of using Google. I just did an advanced search using "at least one of these words" where I entered Americal and Gryphon. It picked up a bunch of hits to Americal/Gryphon, Americal-Gryphon and America Gryphon. It would certainly be sufficient to show you most of the major decal types that they sell. > for that. Whereas with a search engine, you would need the > discipline to put important keywords in the page. Much like the The difference here is that while libraries need keyword lists, HTML searches use the text itself (the entire book if you will) as the keyword list. Thus, unless you're actually adding new words to an HTML page, listing them as keywords does nothing for these search engines. The primary reason for the keywords field in HTML is to provide information to the web cataloging spiders that try to rate sites based on their content, not to make search engines work better. I will certainly take your suggestion of using Google for this and put it to use. It's the real solution and a lot less work than anything I suggested. It's good that there are smart people in the world to make up for us dullards :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 18:45:22 +0100 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Back Message-ID: <1020534322.3cd41e320f997@netmail.pipex.net> Back from my week in Tenerife, forgot to unsub so have 600 messages awaiting !! Nothing OT on holiday, but that wasn't the point !! Expect a couple of responses to earlier questions, but on the PC-12 issue, I had a go at mixing some raw pigments before I went away, which produced some interesting results - adding lamp black to red iron oxide makes quite an interesting change in colour. It takes not too much to considerably darken the 'red' colour. I'll scan it and post it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 10:46:39 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bob Pearson's CD & Wings with Wires Message-ID: <102053487301@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> >> Gosh oh shucks darn. ... eyes abashed, hands behind back, knees >> together, pigeon toed etc etc .... > > You look so cute like that. Heck, you should see my gallery photo. . > BTW, I really like your watercolor sideviews. I know they're not as > precise as the Illustrator renditions but they sure are nice. Did > you literally do those on 5x8 file cards or was it on some sort of > watercolor paper? How did you transfer the sideview outline to the > 5x8 cards? The first profiles I did were after I saw DSA's work in an issue of WWI Aero. I thought he had a great idea and I set out to do something similar using those blank hardcover books .. I filled two of them with British, German and A-H 1/72 b/w profiles. Next I wanted to see what they looked like in colour, so I did a third book of watercolour sideviews. For all three of these I kept tracing GAs over and over through the pages .. I had no French curves at this time, so gentle curves had a little bump from time to time. ONe other problem was I was unable to change the order once they were drawn. One day I was in the stationary store and found some 5x8 file card binders, and I thought "Hey these are neat, wonder how it would work" I bought one ($12) and brought it home. The first profile I did on these was Willi Gabriel's Js11 D.VII. . It worked great, so I returned to store and bought another. May 1988 was spent on German aircraft, June on British, and then July on Austrian. I did none during August as I started a new job. The rest of the year saw me have 299 done by midnight on NYE, I had 700 by the end of 1990, 1100 by 1994. I made a light table by routing one of the leaves in my grandmothers dining room table (only thing of hers I wanted), put glass into it, with tracing paper underneath to diffuse the glare and placed a light underneath this. This table is great. . I have the computer on one end of it with the glass of the light table under the keyboard and a huge area for reference material. . and occasional meals - I'll post a photo of my work area to http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/desk.jpg as soon as I send this. Old photo - I have since built three of the four ships shown there. I traced GAs from wherever I could find them unto 5x8 file cards. The first card of each type was then used aas a master template and whenever I had nothing else to do I would grab one of the masters, clip a blank card to it and trace it so as to try and have a few of each aircraft type ready for adding markings whenever the whim struck. This enabled me to do marking drawings if I was so inclined, or perhaps paint one that was already drawn. I still have some of these predrawn/unpainted cards from five years ago when I made the switch to the computer. The next step up was to do 1/24 acrylic profiles. . these were in the FMP VC book and also some rear covers of OTF. These were done on heavyweight watercolour paper. I still want to do more some day. The final step was to get the computer and to start doing profiles on it. ON my old Mac I did a bunch of crosshatched b/w profiles, and this lead to FMP suggesting I could do better ones on a more powerful computer. The collection now numbers 38 binders with over 1500 profiles (probably closer to 1600 now. I am slowly replacing some of the old watercolours with new computer profiles that are printed on 8x10 Epson card cut down to 5x8 (discontinued - so I need to find another source of high quality 8x10 card stock). It makes a real difference printing on thee better card stock .. normal file cards tend to look a little muddy due to absorbing the ink, So as I get around to it I am also replacing those I printed on plain file cards. The binders are also discontinued, so if anyone ever happens to find some National Brand 8.5 x 7 two binders by Dennison National Co. of Holyoke, MA 01041. They have product number 08-188 and also say Virgin Vinyl Ringdex, Made in USA. Colours are red, black, blue or beige. I have hauled these binders to the last 4.5 OTF seminars, and still have to decide if they will make the trip to the next one or not. Each year I say the same thing, but they are a hassle to pack. I combine them down to 18 binders and then have them as my carry on .. but that will probably not be allowed as they are a tad heavy and slightly oversize. One thing is doing these profiles has sure opened many doors for me !! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:03:28 +0200 (CEST) From: knuterha@eunet.no To: Subject: Clerget photos - was another update Message-ID: <1720.193.214.111.226.1020535408.squirrel@webmail.kpnqwest.no> Hei, I do not have the prints that I scanned with me on the vessel where I work, but I am quite sure I took the caption from the one provided by the Science Museum. If you look at the bottom of picture 150_1, you can see the label put on the exhibit that read Cler... Think I cut away the rest of the label when scanning the pictures. If the Science Museum in London got it wrong, then I regret spreading false information, but I consider them quite trustworthy. I have however, been fooled by captions in other museums, so no guarantee. Power output in early engines seemed to be variable, the Clergets used in Norwegian Sopwith Babys are given as 110, 130 and 150hp in various references. Externally they were the same, and it was said that 20hp could be the difference between engines made at different factories, but to exactly the same specifications. Some were probably more accurate when it came to tolerances ets. We are working on two flyable engines for the current Sopwith Baby rebuild, and besides the drawings and handbooks that we have found in Norwegian archives, the handbook reprinted by Camden is one of our best sources. Eders Knut Erik >> > http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Engines/Clerget150 >> > It dows at least show the back side of the engine. > >> Yes I saw these photos >> It doesn't match the model, but I thought that this >> might be because the model is supposed to be a Clerget >> 9B 130 HP and the engine in the photos is labeled 150 >> HP. > > Hmm...Mark...My knowledge of this stuff is very limited but I think > you'll find that the 9B (130hp) was used in aircraft in the > generation of the N17, Strutters, and, I think the Sopwith Triplanes. > While there were a bunch of 9B Camels, many used the 9Bf (140hp) > which had a longer stroke. The 150hp engine used in Camels was, I > believe a Bentley. I vaguely recall a story about someone who > insisted the use of the 110hp Le Rhone as well. My understanding is > that a lot of Camels used either the Le Rhone or the Clerget 9Bf. > Unfortunately, my Camel Datafile isn't resting in its proper folder so > i can't check this stuff right now. I'm sure someone here can verify > it though and correct all my mis-statements. In any case, I think > it's safe to say that there was not a Clerget 150hp engine so the > photos seem to be mis-labeled. > > Cheers --- Larry Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:10:21 +0200 (CEST) From: knuterha@eunet.no To: Subject: Re:Model Ts Message-ID: <1076.193.214.111.226.1020535821.squirrel@webmail.kpnqwest.no> Hei, As far as I can remember from my last visit to the RAFM this winter, there is a Crossley tender with a female driver on the balcony, and what I believe is a Ford T between the DH.9 and Avro Vulcan. Remember having serious problems getting pictures of the small car because of the Vulcan above it. Eders Knut Erik > Isn't the Hendon Museum vehicle a Crossley, or is this a new addition? > > cheers > > Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:27:54 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Clerget photos - was another update Message-ID: <20020504193031.HHM22413.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Power output in early engines seemed to be variable, the Clergets I think this is the key, but also the 'flexibility' of many of the references. Another key is that no one should take to the bank anything I say about engines. I'm far from an expert and don't claim to be. This afternoon, however, I took a look at the Clerget history that's on the French site I referenced earlier. It lists no 150hp Clerget whatever and it's consistent with the numbers I provided. Similarly, the Camel Datafile corroborates my suggestion that the 150hp engines in Camels were made by Bentley and that they were referred to as AR1s. Could be that there's a connection between this engine and the Clerget 9B in some way but I'm not expert enough to speculate. The interesting thing is that while many Camels sported 110hp LeRhones and 130hp Clergets, the big complaint within the RFC was a lack of power. According the Datafile the AR1 provided sufficient power. There is also a reference to "French-built Clergets" that provided sufficient power. I don't know if this is a reference to the Clerget 9bf or not. > that 20hp could be the difference between engines made at different > factories, but to exactly the same specifications. Some were Even from the little bit in the Camel Datafile it seems that there were differences between factories and I suspect you're right. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:03:50 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bob Pearson's CD & Wings with Wires Message-ID: <20020504200627.ESPB15716.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Heck, you should see my gallery photo. . I've looked at that one. It's downright amazing that anyone as young as yourself could have drawn so many profiles :-) > I made a light table by routing one of the leaves in my > grandmothers dining room table (only thing of hers I wanted), put Gee...you get serious about making light tables :-) I once stuck a large picture frame on top of a wood box and stuffed a light in it. Worked for tracing to mylars. > I traced GAs from wherever I could find them unto 5x8 file cards. > The first card of each type was then used aas a master template and This is the part I'm having a hard time understanding as 5x8 cards are pretty thick and opaque. You got enough light intensity to see through them to the master? Same with watercolor paper? >The next step up was to do 1/24 acrylic profiles. . I bet these are gorgeous. > these were in the FMP VC book and also some > rear covers of OTF. These were done on heavyweight watercolour I'm horribly ignorant of acronyms. What's "FMP VC", what's an "FMP VC book" and what's "OTF"? Sorry to be such a dolt. > cards. The binders are also discontinued, so if anyone ever happens > to find some National Brand 8.5 x 7 two binders by Dennison > National Co. of Holyoke, MA 01041. They have product number 08-188 I'll take a look around here in Quebec. Not much shopping here but I've come across several things that have long since disappeared elsewhere. > One thing is doing these profiles has sure opened many doors for me I can certainly understand that. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:32:30 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bob Pearson's CD & Wings with Wires Message-ID: <20020504203507.YKLF10085.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > I traced GAs from wherever I could find them unto 5x8 file cards. > The first card of each type was then used aas a master template and > whenever I had nothing else to do I would grab one of the masters, > clip a blank card to it and trace it so as to try and have a few of As a follow up to my last msg, it's true what they say that you can learn more by doing than thinking about it. I just dragged out some 3x5 cards (didn't have any 5x8) and some watercolor paper. Found that I can see 3V quite clearly through them if I just stuff a light behind them. Cheers --- Larry "still learning the basics after all these years" Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:45:18 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: back to the basics Message-ID: <20020504204755.BSFD17922.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> As sit, plastic-less, it occurred to me that I'm assuming much about how you guys build models. My experience with plastics is some 30 years old and it's quite possible that you don't do the basics in the same was as I once did. So...a few questions...will they ever end. 1) Do you still use MEK-like glues to do major seams? I've got some Tenax that I bought a year or so ago when I was doing some details in Evergreen for one of my RC models. Is this best, useable, yucky (technical terms are us)? 2) If you use the 'melt together' method, do you still apply the stuff with a brush? 3) Are the plastics the same as they were 30 years ago with respect to solvents and glues (mostly that they don't like them very much)? 4) Do you still do the standard soapy water wash at the outset? Any other prep to cause paints to stick better? 5) Aside from PE, do you guys use CA for assembly? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:17:30 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: back to the basics Message-ID: In a message dated 5/4/02 1:50:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, larrym@sympatico.ca writes: << 1) Do you still use MEK-like glues to do major seams? I've got some Tenax that I bought a year or so ago when I was doing some details in Evergreen for one of my RC models. Is this best, useable, yucky (technical terms are us)?>> Yep- I still use MEK for some things. I've bought more Tenax than I've used because if I look at it crosseyed, it evaporates! << 2) If you use the 'melt together' method, do you still apply the stuff with a brush?>> Yep <<4) Do you still do the standard soapy water wash at the outset? Any other prep to cause paints to stick better?>> In forty years, I've never gotten in the habit of washing that dang things, and I've never eally had any adhesion problems, whether oil enamels or acrylic. <<5) Aside from PE, do you guys use CA for assembly?>> 95% the whole thing! RK ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg02.mx.aol.com (rly-xg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.199]) by air-xg01.mail.aol.com (v86.8) with ESMTP id MAILINXG13-0504165019; Sat, 04 May 2002 16:50:19 -0400 Received: from mustang.sr.unh.edu (mustang.sr.unh.edu [132.177.241.68]) by rly-xg02.mx.aol.com (v84.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG27-0504165025; Sat, 04 May 2002 16:50:25 -0400 Received: from mustang.sr.unh.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mustang.sr.unh.edu (SGI-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17010; Sat, 4 May 2002 16:50:04 -0 >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 23:16:48 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re:Model Ts Message-ID: well I think it said Model T on the label, and the front end looks like the picture on the RPM ambulance box. can I have an easy question please, like what colour is Voss . . . . . regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line 媼 I'd get some models finished ================ > From: PetersList@aol.com > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 09:00:18 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re:Model Ts > > Isn't the Hendon Museum vehicle a Crossley, or is this a new addition? > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:08:35 -0400 From: "Mark C" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: A couple quick questions... Message-ID: Hello all, I was reading one of my modelling magazines and came across a "Sopwith Comic Fighter." What on earth made it "comic?" Also, what is mailing list etiquette regarding purchases and sales? For example, would it be allowable to say "Looking for this decal...if you have it and are willing to sell/trade please contace me off-list..."? Or is there some other way to trade with the group? Thanks for the info, Mark _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:28:54 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Was ist das? Message-ID: <001701c1f3cb$d70c4220$8a301c18@tampabay.rr.com> Photo of my Fokker D.VII mini diorama at: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/vdh.jpg sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:44:01 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: RE: Was ist das? Message-ID: That sure is one PO'd pilot! ;-) Paul -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Steven Perry Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Was ist das? Photo of my Fokker D.VII mini diorama at: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/vdh.jpg sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:50:44 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Was ist das? Message-ID: <001d01c1f3ce$e33b2040$8a301c18@tampabay.rr.com> > That sure is one PO'd pilot! ;-) > > Paul I think the pilot would have understood. I know I've anointed my share of wheels after long flights ;-) . OTOH, I've met few mechanics who weren't crusty old fussbudgets about the machinery under their care. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 22:25:56 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New SPAD decals reviewed Message-ID: <3CD49834.D9AFDB8@conted.gatech.edu> http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/spaddecalsreviewjf_1.htm Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 00:35:55 -0400 (EDT) From: <电脑维修＠北京> To: Subject: 电脑维修开班在即，请尽快与我们联系 Message-ID: <200205050435.AAA83340@mustang.sr.unh.edu> ------=_NextPart_000_00B_F9F8A585.20C0B8D Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 tefE1M6s0N7Jz8PFt/7O8Sixsb6ptdjH+CkNCtK7uPbUwjY21Kq72LTwxPpOKzG49s7KzOIN Cs/qx+m1x8K9DQpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lnlpa2F0b25nLm5ldCANCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cueW91NDgu Y29tDQpodHRwOi8veW91NDgudmlwLnNpbmEuY29tDQoNCtXQyfrG9Mq+o7oNCsPmz/LIq7n6 1dDK1dPQ1r7Rp8+wtefE1M6s0N678sa9w+bJ6LzGvLDN+NKz1sbX97XEyMvUsQ0KzPW8/qO6 MTgtMjjW3Mvqo6zOtLvpo6y21LXnxNS/4brDo6zE3LPUv+DEzsDNDQq30dPDo7oxMjAw1Koo M7j21MIpDQqxuNeio7rM4bmpyrPL3ii30dPD19TA7SkNCsHt16KjutPrsb7Iy9K7xvDOqrGx vqnTw7unt/7O8Q0KDQrJz8PFtKvK2rXnxNTOrNDeo7oNCsjnufvE+rK71Nqxsb6po6yyu7nc xPrU2tbQufrEx7j2yqHK0KOs1rvSqsT6s/Y2MDAw1KovtM4o0ruw49K7uPbUwtfz09IpvLDP 4LnYt9HTw6OsztLDx77Nu+HJz8PFzqrE+szhuam9zLW8tefE1M6s0N68sM/gudjK0LOhv6rN 2LXEysLSy6GjDQrM9bz+o7rE+sv51Nq1xLPHytDX7rXNzqq12Mf4vLajrMO/uPa12Mf4vfbP 3tK7zruhow0KDQq+38zlstnX98frtee7sLvytefTytfJ0a+jug0KtefTyqO6eW91NDhAMjFj bi5jb20gIGNoaW5hbGl1bWVuZ0AxNjMubmV0DQq0q9Xmo7owMTAtODA3MTA4MjINCsrWu/qj ujEzNjYxMjI5NTM2DQpRUToyNTAxMDA0Mw0Ksb7Tyrz+vvjO3rbx0uKjrMjnufu21MT61Oyz ycHLsrux46Ossb7Iy8nuse2xp8e4o6zH67ei0ru34r/V08q8/rW9bGl1X2d1by5odWlAZXlv dS5jb23Ioc/7ICAgIA== ------=_NextPart_000_00B_F9F8A585.20C0B8D-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 00:41:58 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: back to the basics Message-ID: <20020505044438.HZAU22898.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Yep- I still use MEK for some things. I've bought more Tenax than > I've used because if I look at it crosseyed, it evaporates! I'll try to remember not to look at it cross-eyed :-) > In forty years, I've never gotten in the habit of washing that dang > things, and I've never eally had any adhesion problems, whether oil > enamels or acrylic. I'm a bit surprised by this as it's always seemed to me that all paints stick much better if you wash. > <<5) Aside from PE, do you guys use CA for assembly?>> > > 95% the whole thing! Then I guess this is the big change. Thanks for the response. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 09:32:08 +0200 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Back Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020505092523.009f4ec0@pop.xs4all.nl> Hi list, Just letting you know I'm back after a short and non-museum visiting trip to the UK. Catching up on digests and IM now. One moderately interesting nugget as a result of my visit to ED Models in Birmingham. I picked up the Scaleplane and the Formaplane 1/72nd Hanriot kits (well, at a quid each, and in the hope that it would hurry Eduard along, how could I not). It turns out that the plastic in both cases was exactly the same sheet. The good news is that it was a Chubbock production, and looks very crisp (the Scaleplane version has a very nice but age-yellowed transfer sheet). Goes to the top of the build stack (after the next DH2). 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