WWI Digest 4370 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Happy Walpurgis night! by Jan Vihonen 2) RE: Happy Walpurgis night! by "Pedro N. Soares" 3) RE: Happy Walpurgis night! by "ot811" 4) RE: Happy Walpurgis night! by "Lance Krieg" 5) Walpurgisnacht by "Mark Shannon" 6) Say "Hello" to 400 Million customers! A by "E Media Service" 7) New PE by "Lance Krieg" 8) Re: New PE by Tom Plesha 9) RE: Colour of this Turkish Alb D.II??? by "Ross Moorhouse" 10) Re: Inquiry about Lubos at Vamp??? by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 11) Decals by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 12) Re: Decals by Larry Marshall 13) Re: Decals by "Michael Kendix" 14) Help for a fellow Brazilian modeler by "Pedro Soares" 15) Pegasus Halbie review by "Matt Bittner" 16) Back by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: Back by "Ross Moorhouse" 18) Re: Back by "Pedro Soares" 19) Re: Back by Tom Plesha 20) Re: Inquiry about Lubos at Vamp??? by Todd Hayes 21) Re: New PE by Tom Sollers 22) RE: Happy Walpurgis night! by Moria 23) RE: 1913 Albatros Racing Monoplane by "Anders Bruun" 24) RE: 1913 Albatros Racing Monoplane by "Anders Bruun" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:59:02 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Happy Walpurgis night! Message-ID: <3CCECD56.BC7B0AEC@helsinki.fi> Neil, > Happy Walpurgis night to any of you who know what it > is, can't say I really do either, but it's something we > do in Sweden, and I'm off work tomorrow. > See you Thursday! Same to you. It seems that there are not many others who have it. I will be back to office some time during the Thursday. ;-) Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:57:20 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Happy Walpurgis night! Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30190AD23@TUFAO> No Walpurgis around here, but tomorrow is Labour day and I get a day off too. Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] > Sent: terça-feira, 30 de Abril de 2002 16:27 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Happy Walpurgis night! > > > Happy Walpurgis night to any of you who know what it > is, can't say I really do either, but it's something we > do in Sweden, and I'm off work tomorrow. > See you Thursday! > /Neil C. > nb. P38 > nu. Deperdussin > nl. Prince > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:07:13 -0400 From: "ot811" To: Subject: RE: Happy Walpurgis night! Message-ID: <004501c1f071$ddc7bcf0$0800010a@internal.evincible.com> Sounds like something out of Lewis Carroll > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:25 PM > Subject: [WWI] Happy Walpurgis night! > > > > Happy Walpurgis night to any of you who know what it > > is, can't say I really do either, but it's something we > > do in Sweden, and I'm off work tomorrow. > > See you Thursday! > > /Neil C. > > nb. P38 > > nu. Deperdussin > > nl. Prince > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:20:00 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: Happy Walpurgis night! Message-ID: All of us Pagans celebrate Walpurgis night. Here in the central US we cavort around bonfires, smashing 1/72 scale models in the hopes that they'll come back as 1/48. Matt actually unsubbed and went to Ohio to avoid this annual celebration. Now where did I put my woad? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:39:36 -0500 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Walpurgisnacht Message-ID: Also called Beltane or May Eve, is the night before May Day, celebrating the height of spring and the flowering of life. The Goddess manifests as the May Queen and Flora, the God as May King and Jack the Green. Essentially, a spring festival from the 'auld religion' and Wicca, that got some parts co-opted into 'harmless spring fling' type activities but is still taken seriously by Wiccans. (Who some people don't take seriously, but they, themselves do, and whom others view as devil worshipers, though the devil has nothing to do with Wiccan beliefs) http://www.circlesanctuary.org/pholidays/Beltane.html Hard to make OT, except that May Day is celebrated as festival in England and western Europe as a time of fun and hope, and celebrated by Communist/Socialist groups such as the Bolsheviks as a gathering of the Proletariat in unity for revolution. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:43:57 -1700 From: "E Media Service" To: Subject: Say "Hello" to 400 Million customers! A Message-ID: <000031245b7a$000028e3$000022e3@xmxpita.excite.com> e-mediamarketing, inc.
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------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:48:14 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: New PE Message-ID: Man, is it quiet... TOO quiet. If this keeps up, I'll have to do some work to stave off boredom... can't have that.... let's see: Those of you with long memories will recall that I am having some specialty PE sheets made by Fotocut. While Fred Hultberg is still working through some equipment problems, he did prepare one of my sheets, and I received it yesterday. When he delivers the other, more elaborate product, I will get some jpegs so those of you with interest can decide if they will be of use. But I am modestly pleased with what has already arrived, and believe these will be an asset in super-detailing. They include: Logo plates for Rolls Royce, Pfalz monoplanes, BMW, and Mercedes fishplates in various configurations gaskets in various shapes and sizes military acceptance plates bezels and other rings in a variety of sizes strut plates with integral turnbuckles I know Tom Sollers was doing something similar, and was using a more sophisticated approach than mine, - I used a pen and ink and a manual paste-up, with some predictable failures and registration problems. Tom, where are you at with your project? Or has everyone gone a-Maying? Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New PE Message-ID: <20020430212205.73534.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Great! Can't wait to see the items. Later Tom --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Man, is it quiet... TOO quiet. If this keeps up, > I'll have to do some work > to stave off boredom... can't have that.... let's > see: > > Those of you with long memories will recall that I > am having some > specialty PE sheets made by Fotocut. While Fred > Hultberg is still working > through some equipment problems, he did prepare one > of my sheets, > and I received it yesterday. When he delivers the > other, more elaborate > product, I will get some jpegs so those of you with > interest can decide if > they will be of use. > > But I am modestly pleased with what has already > arrived, and believe these > will be an asset in super-detailing. They include: > > Logo plates for Rolls Royce, Pfalz monoplanes, BMW, > and Mercedes > fishplates in various configurations > gaskets in various shapes and sizes > military acceptance plates > bezels and other rings in a variety of sizes > strut plates with integral turnbuckles > > I know Tom Sollers was doing something similar, and > was using a more > sophisticated approach than mine, - I used a pen and > ink and a manual > paste-up, with some predictable failures and > registration problems. > > Tom, where are you at with your project? > > Or has everyone gone a-Maying? > > Lance > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:51:58 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Colour of this Turkish Alb D.II??? Message-ID: <002101c1f091$408581a0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> I also posted this on The AeroDrome forum and this is what Volker came up with .. "While I can not offer the colors, I think that the scheme *definitely* is not natural or stained wood only. If you look on a better version of the photo in question (eg, cover of C&C (US) vol 11 no 2), you can see a *clear* demarcation line on the fuselage both in front and aft of the wing. This line obviously shows the difference between the dark (camouflaged) upper and side surfaces and the light (natural wood or blue?) lower surfaces. Compare this effect to the camouflage of (for example) Alb D II 916/16 (the Max Boehme Jasta 5 aircraft captured by the British) or the "white 18" Jagdstaffelschule Valenciennes D II. Both are clearly camouflaged and do show the same demarcation line. However, these aircraft were painted in what is clearly a 2 color scheme on the fuselage - the Meinecke aircraft seems to show only one solid color on the upper surfaces (but then it could be the quality of the photo as well...) So my take: dfinitely a kind of upper surface camouflage - maybe one color dark brown? Volker" So I would say either way, wood grain or a solid colour for the sides and upper surface I cant be wrong. ;-) Cheers Ross... Boy am I glad i dont build Airline Planes.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Krieg" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Colour of this Turkish Alb D.II??? > I would definitely vote for the dark wood fuselage on this plane, per > Diego's first recommendation, FWIW. > > Lance > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:18:25 -0400 From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Inquiry about Lubos at Vamp??? Message-ID: <75685ADC.271E34CD.138E644A@aol.com> In a message dated Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:29:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John_Impenna@hyperion.com writes: > >Hi All, >Has anyone heard from Lubos lately?? I have had several emails concerning >an order that is listed as "in processing" for over a month go >unanswered...Has anyone had any recent contact??? TIA.. Hi John, I too, had an order with Lubos in process for a long time. Funny, I emailed him about it and was immediately advised that the delay was due to the Staaken I ordered not being available when the manufacturer said it would. So he sent the other six kits and I got them in about a week. We can't realistically expect to receive these orders in a day or two. Why, I've had an order with Aviation Usk since January 25th and am still waiting. . . . patiently now, since learning that discussing slow deliveries is considered childish whining. ;-) Regards, Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:44:44 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: Decals Message-ID: <000301c1f0a1$014cdd20$d4a21c41@neb.rr.com> Has anyone on the list used decals from Eagle Strike Productions? Any comments concerning ease of placement, color registration, thickness, etc. TIA Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:56:23 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decals Message-ID: <20020430235830.JVRH11881.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> On Tuesday 30 April 2002 07:44 pm, you wrote: > Has anyone on the list used decals from Eagle Strike Productions? > > Any comments concerning ease of placement, color registration, > thickness, etc. TIA Some guy named Mike Kendix did a review of the Eduard 1/72 Albatros DV. In it he discusses the application of Eagle Strike lozenge. http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/february/aviation/MK_D5.htm Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 00:03:14 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decals Message-ID: Paul: Yes, I have used the lozenge and lozenge rib tapes. The colour and registration are good and they are thin. However, they are too fragile and prone to chipping even when covered by Future. I will return to using Americal/Gryphon in future. Michael >From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" > >Has anyone on the list used decals from Eagle Strike Productions? > >Any comments concerning ease of placement, color registration, thickness, >etc. TIA > >Paul > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:29:16 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Cc: "Nestor" Subject: Help for a fellow Brazilian modeler Message-ID: <001601c1f0a7$39d8d1c0$c17316d5@netcabo.pt> Calling all DVII specialists out there Got a message today from a fellow Brazilian Modeler (Marcio, his e-mail is on the cc line) who wants to do Lothar vR DVII and the only reference he has (the same as I have) is the in action book. He wants to know if it's 4 or 5 lozenge for the wings, colour of the undersides and any other details regarding painting scheme he should know. Can anyone help? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:25:03 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Pegasus Halbie review Message-ID: Okay, fine, it's not in English, but there are some nice pictures: http://www.airforce.ru/modelism/firstlook/halberstadt/index.htm If you want English (or some other language) then go to http://world.altavista.com and use that to translate (which is where Babelfish takes you). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:32:50 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Back Message-ID: Well, I'm back. Yes, mom is quite well, and back to her bossy self . Good 'ol mom! I noticed that the airforce.ru/modelism site also had a review of the new RPM Ford. Anybody from the list have theirs yet? I can't see today's archives yet, so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned. Maybe now I'll get something finished... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:47:43 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Back Message-ID: <005501c1f0a9$cd964080$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Yes I have both od the new RPM Fords. The insides of the Ambo has some big plastic moldings that will have to come off if the sides are to match up to the tray. Other than this its a good kit. Cheers also good to hear your mum is ok to Matt. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: [WWI] Back > Well, I'm back. Yes, mom is quite well, and back to her bossy > self . Good 'ol mom! > > I noticed that the airforce.ru/modelism site also had a review of > the new RPM Ford. Anybody from the list have theirs yet? I > can't see today's archives yet, so I'm not sure if this has been > mentioned. > > Maybe now I'll get something finished... > > > Matt Bittner > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:55:22 +0100 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Back Message-ID: <002901c1f0aa$df2d9ea0$c17316d5@netcabo.pt> ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:35 AM Subject: [WWI] Back > Well, I'm back. Yes, mom is quite well, and back to her bossy > self . Good 'ol mom! All moms are alike. Glad to hear she's gone through it with flying colours. > > I noticed that the airforce.ru/modelism site also had a review of > the new RPM Ford. Anybody from the list have theirs yet? I have mine from NKR and someone (can't remember who) has posted a review recently. Anyway, I do agree with what our fellow Russian reviewer says: "Inside the box proved to be typical of Wot- wounds ... and rough melochevki..." (that's what I got from Altavista :-) Anyway, from what I can make of the altavista translation the review points out the items on the kit you might want to improve and I'm absolutely sure this can be turned into a jewel with a little work. Definitively recommended, although I suspect it's more 1/76 than 1/72, judging from the drawings on the articles in airfix mags. Pedro (who hasn't touched plastic in more than a week.... ;-( but tomorrow is an holiday.... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Back Message-ID: <20020501005628.5767.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> Glad all is well. Later Tom --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Well, I'm back. Yes, mom is quite well, and back to > her bossy > self . Good 'ol mom! > > I noticed that the airforce.ru/modelism site also > had a review of > the new RPM Ford. Anybody from the list have theirs > yet? I > can't see today's archives yet, so I'm not sure if > this has been > mentioned. > > Maybe now I'll get something finished... > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Inquiry about Lubos at Vamp??? Message-ID: <20020501012116.80972.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Who said discussing slow deliveries is considered childish whining? Consistently complaining about some particular company's slowness, maybe, or wailing because you wanted it yesterday but received it the day after instead, now that's whining. Why Mike received the six other kits but not the Staaken is a mystery since I ordered my Staaken about the same time, and received my complete order a day or two before he did. I have no experience with the new AvUsk, but ordering from the old owners could really turn into a nightmare... VERY SLOWLY. I pre-ordered the Aeroclub Bristol "Brisfit" from them once. Seven months after it had already become available and other stores had it, they contacted me that they had received the kit for me! Now that's slow. Todd --- CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:29:07 AM > Eastern Daylight Time, John_Impenna@hyperion.com > writes: > > > > >Hi All, > >Has anyone heard from Lubos lately?? I have had > several emails concerning > >an order that is listed as "in processing" for over > a month go > >unanswered...Has anyone had any recent contact??? > TIA.. > > > Hi John, > > I too, had an order with Lubos in process for a long > time. Funny, I emailed him about it and was > immediately advised that the delay was due to the > Staaken I ordered not being available when the > manufacturer said it would. So he sent the other > six kits and I got them in about a week. > > We can't realistically expect to receive these > orders in a day or two. Why, I've had an order with > Aviation Usk since January 25th and am still > waiting. . . . patiently now, since learning that > discussing slow deliveries is considered childish > whining. ;-) > > Regards, > Mike Kavanaugh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:49:43 -0400 From: Tom Sollers To: Subject: Re: New PE Message-ID: Hey there, Lance! > Those of you with long memories will recall that I am having some > specialty PE sheets made by Fotocut. While Fred Hultberg is still working > through some equipment problems, he did prepare one of my sheets, > and I received it yesterday. Great news! > When he delivers the other, more elaborate > product, I will get some jpegs so those of you with interest can decide if > they will be of use. Sounds great! > I know Tom Sollers was doing something similar, and was using a more > sophisticated approach than mine, - I used a pen and ink and a manual > paste-up, with some predictable failures and registration problems. Well, I do all my drawing on a computer in Adobe Illustrator. I work in layers with different colors assigned to front etched, back etched and full etched items. Yes, it is very precise. Perhaps too precise. It is easy to create minute detail that will never be able to be successfully etched. > Tom, where are you at with your project? Basically, still putzing around. After speaking with Fred about the problems and hearing about your enormous delay in receiving work, I came to the conclusion that not much was coming out of FotoCut. Since then I've talked with other listees and convinced myself that going through PART may be the best solution. Their work is excellent and the cost is extremely reasonable. The custom job they did for Tomasz looks quite good. Ironically, just yesterday, I began to convert my drawings over to a layout with frets and attachment points so I can send some stuff to PART. However, PART also uses a different color coded system to distinguish what is front etched, back etched, etc., than what I had set up for myself. So, I've been spending hours reassigning colors to each itsy-bitsy item. Most of my stuff is figured related. Medals, buckles, badges etc. There's also some aircraft stuff. Well, I've got to admit that now I'm in a bit of a quandary. Since you got something from Fred, maybe I should give FotoCut the benefit of the doubt and go ahead and send him something. I still think Fred's fret free method of PE is superior to anything I've ever seen. It would be especially nice not to have to clean attachment points from a 1/48 Pour le Merite! Cheers! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:37:48 +0100 From: Moria To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Happy Walpurgis night! Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020430192520.00a310e0@colony.co.uk> Greetings:) At 14:21 30-04-02 -0400, you wrote: >All of us Pagans celebrate Walpurgis night. Here in the central US we >cavort around bonfires, smashing 1/72 scale models in the hopes that >they'll come back as 1/48. > >Matt actually unsubbed and went to Ohio to avoid this annual celebration. > >Now where did I put my woad? > >Lance Hope this helps explain the origins somewhat:) Don't ya just love the origins of words and celebrations??? (don't answer that :) ) When it was about time for spring to arrive the Vikings had a celebration in its honour, they lit bonfires so to hurry along the coming of spring and to scare off evil spirits. This tradition continued throughout druid celebrations until the church started to absorb the druid festivals in its program of replace one religion with another. Six months from Hallowe'en is Walpurgis Nacht, and at midnight is when the evil spirits, hobgoblins, will-o-the-wisps, imps, ( or is that Camels, Nieuports, Fokkers? )and the ilk emerge from the bowels of the Earth with six months of pent up mischief since Halowe'en. Hence the general mayhem after midnight, especially in the German University towns. In the year 710 a woman named Valborg/Walpurgis/Wealdburg/Valderburger was born somewhere in northern Europe. According to legend she is supposed to be the daughter of the great king Richard. Her name though would rather suggest a Celtic, German or even a Scandinavian background. The most popular belief is however that she was born somewhere in today's Britain. During her life she travelled to Germany with her brothers and she founded the Catholic convent Heidenheim in Wurtemburg, Germany. She later became a nun there. She died the 25th of February 779. That day still carries her name, Valborg, in the Catholic calendar. She was not made a saint until the 1st of May 779. Now because of the date of her being declared a saint her name became associated with the Viking spring and fertility celebrations which took place at approximately the same time of the year, around the 30th of April. She was worshipped in the same way as the Vikings had worshipped spring. So as the Vikings spread across Europe the two dates became mixed together and produced the Valborg celebration Many of the Walpurgis traditions come from Germany, where in the old days people lit bonfires to scare away witches that night. People in eastern Sweden began to follow suit in the Middle Ages. In western Sweden, bonfires were lit at Easter instead. Flags are flown in Sweden on Walpurgis nacht in honour of the Kings Birthday, not for the celebration of Walpurgis. Regards Graham Evans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:34:01 +0200 From: "Anders Bruun" To: "WWI Modelling Mailing List" Subject: RE: 1913 Albatros Racing Monoplane Message-ID: <002a01c1f0da$2ec6c5c0$d8b559d5@chello.se> It looks like the same plane, but with floats. The plane in my photo was a landplane, so it never occurred to me to check my seaplane references. Anders Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:17:30 +0200 From: Crawford Neil >Hi Anders, Is that the same blue one as in that french book about >seaplanes that you recommended in Bent Throttles (the one with a Spad 26 >on the cover)? But if I remember correctly that one was a biplane. >I'm sorry I can't help you, but encourage everyone else to do their best! >/Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:11:46 +0200 From: "Anders Bruun" To: "WWI Modelling Mailing List" Subject: RE: 1913 Albatros Racing Monoplane Message-ID: <005701c1f0df$74690f20$d8b559d5@chello.se> Thanks, Volker, The Heinkel connection fits, I found the photo in a book about Heinkel planes. The photo I found was a landplane - does that mean it was the HE? After Neil's reply I checked my seaplane references and found a photo of a floatplane that must be the LWE (although it was stated to be the HE). Its fuselage looks similar to that of my "mystery plane". Anders >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:57:30 +0800 >From: Volker Haeusler >To: wwi@wwi-models.org >Subject: RE: 1913 Albatros Racing Monoplane >Message-ID: > >Anders, > >> While looking for something completely different I stumbled over >> a photo of a very sleek Albatros "Renneindecker" which apparently >> won the 1913 Bodensee (Lake Constance) races, flown by Helmut >> Hirth. It had a watercooled six-cylinder engine and looked >> slightly similar to a slimmer Deperdussin Monocoque racer. >> >> Can somebody help me find more information about this interesting >> plane, perhaps a drawing? >> > >That´s actually the Albatros "Land Wasser Eindecker". Designed by none else >but Ernst Heinkel. It was an *amphibian* with "retractable" wheels (the >wheels could be lifted up through whatever kind of mechanism). > >based on the earlier Albatros HE (most probably for Heinkel Eindecker), >which had a 75 hp Mercedes engine and 12 m wingspan. The LWE was slightly >larger, usually quoted at 13 m span. 100 hp Mercedes. And yes, nice >aircraft, in some way the original progenitor of the D series Albatros´ >(well, maybe slightly overdoing it - but then I also regard the PB 9 as a >progenitor of the Spitfire). No military service AFAIK. > >Photos and descriptions (amongst others) in > >Lange, Bruno: "Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik" > >Schwipps, Werner: "Leichter als Luft" (a beautiful book dealing with German >aeronautical development ca. Lilienthal to start of the war to end all >wars - German text though) > >de Vries: Taube - Dove of War > >I´m quite sure that there is a kind of drawing somewhere, but could not find >it at this moment (I thought it was in the Schwipps book). Now where could >that have been? > >Volker ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4370 **********************