WWI Digest 4363 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Lee M." 2) Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the list ... :-( by "Ross Moorhouse" 3) Re: Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the list ... :-( by Scottfking@aol.com 4) Re: Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the by "Bob Pearson" 5) Re: Aeroclub bombs by "Sandy Adam" 6) Re: Another one on the DH2... by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Re: Spad wing slot by "Diego Fernetti" 8) ANZAC Day - Belated Wishes by "Michael Kendix" 9) Re: ANZAC Day - Belated Wishes by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Re: buying kits by "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." 11) Re: Spad wing slot by "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." 12) Re: Spad wing slot by Larry Marshall 13) UK listees- Barnet model show at RAF museum by Steve Cox 14) Re: Aeroclub bombs by "ot811" 15) Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram by "Hans Trauner" 16) RE: Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 17) RE: Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram by "Hans Trauner" 18) Re: Another one on the DH2... by KarrArt@aol.com 19) RE: Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram by PetersList@aol.com 20) Surgery by Matt Bittner 21) Re: Surgery by Tom Plesha 22) Re: ANZAC Day - Belated Wishes by "Ross Moorhouse" 23) Re: Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the by "Ross Moorhouse" 24) Re: Surgery by Todd Hayes 25) Re: buying kits by Peter Fedders 26) RE: Surgery by "Graham Hunter" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:28:20 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <3CCA28E4.B7D14291@x25.net> This may or may not be considered OT but so far as I know this was done in every war since we have had brass cartridges...I have been told it was done in WWI for sure. No re-use per-se.. Re-using them would be not an economical adventure since the get bigger when they are fired and the neck area in particular would most likely need to be resized, the cap/fuse knocked out and replaced. It would be a wasteful use of man power. Making the things into new cartridges was faster and far cheaper They did collect the brass, and, return it to the foundries for melting down and re manufacturing the casings. If you were in the Army you know about "policing up the brass" before you left your firing position. Now how could I possibly be so sure of something like that. Easy. As a 17 year old I worked in the Mueller Brass Company in Port Huron, Michigan 55 miles north of Detroit. They went out of business a few years back and my brother retired fromm that company. I did at one time feed a blast furnace but my regular job was Lift Truck operator. I drove the supplies to the regular operators. I knew how to run the thing and do the correct mixing so they had me do a thing like vacation relief. The furnace was an Electric Detroiter Furnace and the mix it made was called 70-30. The reason for the title was that it was mde up of 30 percent new ore products and 70 percent used shell casings. Mostly 30 and 50 caliber. I worked there till I was 19. Drafted is the correct word used.. It is my understanding that the process was very similar in WW I. Ammo/shell casings expended overseas was picked up, washed up then sent to shops in Britain and North Ireland. Artillery shell casings were handle much the same way. It was rare but on occassion we would receive a "dud". Fortunately it made more of a noise than anything else but it made one excited to get one with the shell/projectile removed and a still live fuse inside. Never had one move anything outside the furnace. Lee M. Ross Moorhouse wrote: > > I bet being hit by a 50cal cartridge would alos cause the hit person to want > to change their undies too. > > I think a good example of this was shown in BlackHawk down when a group of > US Troops on the ground had one of their Helo Gunship right above them > firing off iots gatting guns. Streams of hot casing rained down on the > troops. > > Not being a gun person by any means, did they reuse the cartiages that they > brought back in the bags of WWI planes ?? > > Ross > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee M." > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:31 AM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer > > > Most MGs on planes eject from the bottom of the MG frame and they have a > > kind of oversize collector tube to a container inside. > > > > But the recollection of bags is correct. They even had a few in WW II > > > > Modern aircraft had holes in the bottom of the wings and you haven't > > really lived till a 50 caliber cartridge casing bounces off of you steel > > helmet. It won't happen often but it does happen. On occassion a > > person will get hit on their shoulders or nearby body area and it causes > > damage. > > > > > > > > CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated Fri, 26 Apr 2002 2:04:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > "David C. Fletcher" writes: > > > > > > >To bring this back "OT", were aircraft shell case collected in any WWI > > > >aircraft or were they simply expelled into the slipstream? > > > > > > I knew I had seen photos of aircraft guns with bags hanging from them. > Harry Woodman, in his "Early Aircraft Armament" shows the evolution of the > "deflector bag" for the Lewis MG, Mk.II of the series could hold 329 cases. > > > > > > Purely a guess, but if spent casings bouncing around in the aircraft > could cause a problem, they were probably somehow collected. If they could > be safely ejected or jettisoned overboard, that course was probably > followed. > > > > > > HTH, > > > Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:53:10 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the list ... :-( Message-ID: <001901c1eda7$6e81b480$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> So resending... Whats the difference between the Albatros D.III (OAW) & the Albatros D.III? Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:01:59 EDT From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the list ... :-( Message-ID: <106.1125630d.29fb8ac7@aol.com> Hi Ross, At least externally, the main difference was the OAW - built a/c had the rounded rudder like used on the DV/DVA, whereas the Alb - built a/c had the squarish rudder. The OAW - built DIII was otherwise similar to late Albatros - built DIII's. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:00:33 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the Message-ID: <101988375201@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> A quick visual difference is the OAW has a rudder more akin to that of the D.V/Va. Other than that, and the fact that it was made at a different factory, not much. Bob ---------- >From: "Ross Moorhouse" > So resending... > > Whats the difference between the Albatros D.III (OAW) & the Albatros D.III? > > Cheers > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:14:16 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: Re: Aeroclub bombs Message-ID: <004301c1edcb$ee6dc5c0$69237ad5@sandyada> FWIW I think these are excellent,although its surprising they are all the same price. The 112lb bombs include two bombs (4 pcs) and two racks (4pcs). Nicely detailed and will look just the thing on my Aurora DH4 when its eventually finished. The Cooper and Hales sets inlcude just 4 little bomblets each and are nicely moulded too, but I would have thought all 8 in one bag might have been more appropriate. I will be seeing John Adams at the Scottish Nats later today and will ask him who has them in US. Will see what Justin Young has up his sleeve too. Will report on anything of note. Sandy PS I shouldn't say anything but after telling everybody how good the HiTech AEG is, its wonderfully ironic to see we are about to enter a period of "oh its actually quite good after all...." Jeez! ( PPS. I don't mean you Peter) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:45:56 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another one on the DH2... Message-ID: Doc Tom wrote: >You know what - I think you're perfectly right - the button on the column >was >indeed the blipper. The Lewis was fired from the trigger on the gun >itself!! > Sorry for the brain fart. No worries. The breezy DH2 cockpit makes them barely noticeable. D. PS: wandering where the brain farts make it outside... (the ears? the nostrils? yuck!) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:48:51 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spad wing slot Message-ID: Thanks Alvie, but being a lazy individual it's probably that in this case I'll leave the wing with a small sliver of black decal, to avoid ruining the surface (I started painting!) What I did, of course, were the small slots for the aileron crank on the upper wings. Da***d Academy spads! D. >From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado >RSAITO."@mustang.sr.unh.edu >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Spad wing slot >Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:01:53 -0400 (EDT) > >I'll look through my photos I know I have at least one which also shows the >bottom of the trangular bellcrank poking through about 1/2 full scale inch >(13mm). SPADS were built by several contractors with variations in details >not >least of which is probably that slot. If I remember right, the slot goes >all >the way through on the National Air and Space Museum SPAD. > >Alvie > >Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > Alvie > > Some diagrams a friend sent me makes me think that the slots are done >just > > in the upper surfaces, leaving the lower covering without any holes. Do >you > > have an example that I can check? > > TIA! > > D. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <"Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado > > RSAITO."@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > > > > > Diego, > > > > > > Those slots go all the way through the wing. > > > > > > Alvie > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:02:04 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: ANZAC Day - Belated Wishes Message-ID: Just wanted to wish all our Australian and New Zealand listees belated best wishes for ANZAC Day. The contribution made is not forgotten. I've read a bit about the Gallipoli Campaign - Moorhouse's "Hell's Foundations", Moorehead's "Gallipoli". Of course, most of the more general books cover this part of WWI in some detail. Currently, I'm reading "1915" by Lyn MacDonald. Suffice to say that I was sufficiently impressed by the first 80 pages or so, to buy both "Somme" and "To the Last Man". I know she's written other stuff, but that's all the 2nd book shop had in yesterday. I'm still looking for a good recommendation for a book about Gallipoli from the Turkish perspective. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:11:12 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ANZAC Day - Belated Wishes Message-ID: Michael: >I'm still looking for a good recommendation for a book about Gallipoli from >the Turkish perspective. Ask our friend Bülent Yílmazer D. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:52:01 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: <3CCAAD00.2433CDE5@verizon.net> So thats what happened. ;^p Alvie Larry Marshall wrote: > > Misterkit paints are acrylic. They are of very good quality I like > > them and I don't normally like acrylic paints. I don't agree with > > This suggests I should try them :-) I'm sure you remember when the > first PolyScale formula was released. It was like trying to paint > with colored water. I found Tamiya to be better but never a > replacement for "real" Floquil. > > > some of the colors (PC 10 for one, too me its to green. I'm one of > > the PC10 was very close to Field Drab (FS30118) believers) but > > I will surely prove a disappointment to many here as I've learned > that the only way I can finish models is by a hard and concerted > fight against AMS. If I start worrying too much about some of this > stuff, I just chase my tail and spend all my time reading about > airplanes, which ain't bad but it doesn't get anything built. So, If > it's close, it's good enough for me, much to the chagrin of the > experts. > > > I'm currently using Misterkit British clear doped linen and > Battleship Gray on ny current project a Blue Max Sopwith Snipe and > will use Misterkit > > >From what I can see, there are 6 colors in the British set. I'll > probably just buy a bottle of each and give them a try. > > > British PC12 on my next project a Blue Max Bristol M1c. I like you > > am from the days of Floquil and Dio-Sol. I miss the reek of > > Dio-Sol melting my brain cells and giving me cancer. > > Aw...clears all the second hand smoke from my sinuses :-) If Testors > hadn't killed the color selection (who needs Burlington Northern > Green) when they bought them, I'd probably still use them. But I'm > searching for a replacement. I find Modelmaster enamels work pretty > well on stick-n-tissue models but I haven't tried them on plastics > yet. > > > If you ask me, they shut down the wrong line paints. Not that I > > have an opinion or anything. > > I agree and they didn't ask me either :-) At the time I was the > editor in chief of Model Airplane News so I did get the opportunity > to talk to them about it but those conversations were wishes that > they would expand the color line. I think they killed the military > line just to spite me :-) > > Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:00:10 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spad wing slot Message-ID: <3CCAAEEA.9E25BF60@verizon.net> Its just a little bitty slot anyway and in 1/72 it would be completely filled in with a speck of dust. Alvie Diego Fernetti wrote: > Thanks Alvie, but being a lazy individual it's probably that in this case > I'll leave the wing with a small sliver of black decal, to avoid ruining the > surface (I started painting!) What I did, of course, were the small slots > for the aileron crank on the upper wings. > Da***d Academy spads! > D. > > >From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado > >RSAITO."@mustang.sr.unh.edu > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Re: Spad wing slot > >Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:01:53 -0400 (EDT) > > > >I'll look through my photos I know I have at least one which also shows the > >bottom of the trangular bellcrank poking through about 1/2 full scale inch > >(13mm). SPADS were built by several contractors with variations in details > >not > >least of which is probably that slot. If I remember right, the slot goes > >all > >the way through on the National Air and Space Museum SPAD. > > > >Alvie > > > >Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > > > Alvie > > > Some diagrams a friend sent me makes me think that the slots are done > >just > > > in the upper surfaces, leaving the lower covering without any holes. Do > >you > > > have an example that I can check? > > > TIA! > > > D. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <"Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado > > > RSAITO."@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > > > > > > > Diego, > > > > > > > > Those slots go all the way through the wing. > > > > > > > > Alvie > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:05:57 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spad wing slot Message-ID: <20020427140737.QELX8169.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Its just a little bitty slot anyway and in 1/72 it would be > completely filled in with a speck of dust. Finally! I was wondering when this concept would sort itself out. I remember hoping that the dust would fill the holes but back when I was building it always made lumps instead. Glad they finally got that fixed. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:56:12 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: WW1 Mail List Subject: UK listees- Barnet model show at RAF museum Message-ID: anyone going to the model show tomorrow? I hope to be there with the family. ask for me at the Brampton stand regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:21:25 -0400 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Aeroclub bombs Message-ID: <005201c1edff$34c9d350$6501a8c0@delos> Sandy, Thanks for your opinion on the bombs. regards SSH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Adam" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:17 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Aeroclub bombs > FWIW I think these are excellent,although its surprising they are all the > same price. The 112lb bombs include two bombs (4 pcs) and two racks (4pcs). > Nicely detailed and will look just the thing on my Aurora DH4 when its > eventually finished. > The Cooper and Hales sets inlcude just 4 little bomblets each and are nicely > moulded too, but I would have thought all 8 in one bag might have been more > appropriate. > > I will be seeing John Adams at the Scottish Nats later today and will ask > him who has them in US. Will see what Justin Young has up his sleeve too. > Will report on anything of note. > Sandy > > PS I shouldn't say anything but after telling everybody how good the HiTech > AEG is, its wonderfully ironic to see we are about to enter a period of "oh > its actually quite good after all...." > Jeez! > ( PPS. I don't mean you Peter) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:58:29 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram Message-ID: <000901c1ee04$600673c0$41ad72d4@FRITZweb> Listees, today I have found Revell's 1/48 Fokker D VII in a toy store here in Nuernberg. Could not resist and bought it. It is Aurora / Monogram. No improvement over the Monogram version, the same fat details on guns, wheels and struts. As previously, the rib tapes are overdone. Volker proofed the catalogue wrong, as he found out that the measurements given there are the correct ones for a 1/48 Fokker. This one is 1/45 approx. Decals are for Beaulieu-Marconnay's Jasta 18 4D-version, lozenge for underwings included. Not bad, 45° angle, but no rib tapes. And the second version is for --- yes you guessed it! 'Slim' Hermann's white machine, once again. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:16:21 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: RE: Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram Message-ID: <000001c1ee06$de9f97a0$d4a21c41@neb.rr.com> At least there aren't any molded-in markings. I don't think it's a total waste of plastic. It builds quickly, and can look pretty decent when done. It's a good on-topic kit to experiment with while you develop new finishing techniques, decaling, etc. Paul -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Hans Trauner Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram Listees, today I have found Revell's 1/48 Fokker D VII in a toy store here in Nuernberg. Could not resist and bought it. It is Aurora / Monogram. No improvement over the Monogram version, the same fat details on guns, wheels and struts. As previously, the rib tapes are overdone. Volker proofed the catalogue wrong, as he found out that the measurements given there are the correct ones for a 1/48 Fokker. This one is 1/45 approx. Decals are for Beaulieu-Marconnay's Jasta 18 4D-version, lozenge for underwings included. Not bad, 45° angle, but no rib tapes. And the second version is for --- yes you guessed it! 'Slim' Hermann's white machine, once again. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:29:05 +0200 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram Message-ID: <000b01c1ee08$a6085ec0$fbad72d4@FRITZweb> Yes, yes! I fully agree. It's the perfect beginner's kit or a kit for a lazy rainy weekend. Perhaps change the guns and drill the exhaust and make some detail in the cockpit - et voila! I bought it for building and weathering tests! Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram > At least there aren't any molded-in markings. I don't think it's a total > waste of plastic. It builds quickly, and can look pretty decent when done. > It's a good on-topic kit to experiment with while you develop new finishing > techniques, decaling, etc. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Hans > Trauner > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:58 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram > > > Listees, > today I have found Revell's 1/48 Fokker D VII in a toy store here in > Nuernberg. Could not resist and bought it. It is Aurora / Monogram. No > improvement over the Monogram version, the same fat details on guns, wheels > and struts. As previously, the rib tapes are overdone. Volker proofed the > catalogue wrong, as he found out that the measurements given there are the > correct ones for a 1/48 Fokker. This one is 1/45 approx. > > Decals are for Beaulieu-Marconnay's Jasta 18 4D-version, lozenge for > underwings included. Not bad, 45° angle, but no rib tapes. And the second > version is for --- yes you guessed it! 'Slim' Hermann's white machine, > once again. > > Hans > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:30:26 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another one on the DH2... Message-ID: <73.1ecb7d15.29fc2c22@aol.com> In a message dated 4/27/02 5:48:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, d_fernetti@hotmail.com writes: << PS: wandering where the brain farts make it outside... (the ears? the nostrils? yuck!)>> They don't- they just build up, displacing everything else until one day your head explodes! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:01:15 EDT From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Revell's D VII discovered...it's Monogram Message-ID: <8.256b948e.29fc335b@aol.com> Like all these old kits it provides a basis for the modeler to build on and what you get out of it depends on what you put into it. With a LOT of effort you get a really good DVII and even the scale can be "corrected" (yes, I was even anal enough to do that). It's a useful kit at a realistic price. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:31:15 -0700 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Surgery Message-ID: FWIW, my mom's surgery went well yesterday, and she's home now and driving us crazy. :-) Finally, the son and the daughter get to wait on the mother. Thanks to everyone for the warm wishes and prayers. They're greatly appreciated. I'll be back to Omaha Tuesday. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Surgery Message-ID: <20020427193623.5311.qmail@web20513.mail.yahoo.com> Great news! Take care of yourself and family. Be careful traveling, etc. Later Tom --- Matt Bittner wrote: > FWIW, my mom's surgery went well yesterday, and > she's home now and driving us crazy. :-) > > Finally, the son and the daughter get to wait on the > mother. > > Thanks to everyone for the warm wishes and prayers. > They're greatly appreciated. > > I'll be back to Omaha Tuesday. > > > Matt Bittner > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:09:38 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: ANZAC Day - Belated Wishes Message-ID: <002601c1ee2f$d70b4c40$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Yes do get a turkish side as well. I have just finnsihed reading "Guest of the Unspeakable" about the 4th flyer in the AFC that was captured in was was Iraq and marched all the way to Syria. The turks didnt treat their POWs well at all. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: ANZAC Day - Belated Wishes > Michael: > >I'm still looking for a good recommendation for a book about Gallipoli from > >the Turkish perspective. > > Ask our friend Bülent Yílmazer > D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:10:21 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the Message-ID: <002e01c1ee2f$f0b5bb80$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Thanks guys for the answers. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Whats the difference .. I sent this 4 hours ago to the > A quick visual difference is the OAW has a rudder more akin to that of the > D.V/Va. Other than that, and the fact that it was made at a different > factory, not much. > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: "Ross Moorhouse" > > > So resending... > > > > Whats the difference between the Albatros D.III (OAW) & the Albatros D.III? > > > > Cheers > > > > Ross > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Surgery Message-ID: <20020427213631.39376.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Glad things went well, Matt. My father just went through surgery about three weeks ago. It's a nerve racking situation to say the least, and a great comfort to know it's been successfully completed. Todd --- Matt Bittner wrote: > FWIW, my mom's surgery went well yesterday, and > she's home now and driving us crazy. :-) > > Finally, the son and the daughter get to wait on the > mother. > > Thanks to everyone for the warm wishes and prayers. > They're greatly appreciated. > > I'll be back to Omaha Tuesday. > > > Matt Bittner > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:35:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Fedders To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: Floquil RR paints still are sold - colors are quite intense which makes them easy to mix - you can always tone down the intensity - never up peter On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO.@mustang.sr.unh.edu wrote: > Larry, > > Misterkit paints are acrylic. They are of very good quality I like them > and I don't normally like acrylic paints. I don't agree with some of the > colors (PC 10 for one, too me its to green. I'm one of the PC10 was very > close to Field Drab (FS30118) believers) but thats a personal choice. > Some are more opaque than others but patience and multiple coats fix > that. I'm currently using Misterkit British clear doped linen and > Battleship Gray on ny current project a Blue Max Sopwith Snipe and will > use Misterkit British PC12 on my next project a Blue Max Bristol M1c. I > like you am from the days of Floquil and Dio-Sol. I miss the reek of > Dio-Sol melting my brain cells and giving me cancer. As for Testor's > Modelmaster, its gotten a lot better than it was (no more orange peel) > but its still not Floquil. Nothing wore like Floquil. If you ask me, > they shut down the wrong line paints. Not that I have an opinion or > anything. > > Alvie > > Larry Marshall wrote: > > > On Friday 26 April 2002 09:31 am, CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > > > My US source of MisterKit paints! Great service. > > > > Can you guys say something about these paints? Are they acrylics, > > enamels? Why do you prefer them to those that are more readily > > available. I'm an old-timer and we used Floquil in the 'old days', > > though Humbrol was popular where it could be had. What say you about > > the newer formulations of Modelmaster? > > > > As long as I'm talking, I'd like to follow up my 'yucky service' msg > > regarding Great Models with the contrast in dealing with Squadron. I > > ordered some kits from them last night. In the process, I screwed up > > when I typed my MasterCard number. When I got back from a meeting > > this morning there was a msg from them on my answering machine, > > explaining what was wrong, gave me the name of a contact person and a > > phone number to call. I did. They're shipping the stuff I ordered > > right away. I may be getting some new plastic in my hands after all > > :-) > > > > Cheers --- Larry > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:47:59 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Surgery Message-ID: <000001c1ee35$33d10be0$770101c0@ghunter> Good to here that the surgery went well. Hope your mom has a speedy recovery. Graham ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4363 **********************