WWI Digest 4362 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: tally ho! by "David C. Fletcher" 2) Re: buying kits by Larry Marshall 3) Harddisk failure/IMPORTANT by grzegorz_mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl 4) Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer by "David C. Fletcher" 5) Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Lee M." 6) Re: Another one on the DH2... by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Windsock Question by "Ken Acosta" 8) Re: Aeroclub bombs by Kristjan.Runarsson@t-online.de (Kristjan Runarsson) 9) Re: Harddisk failure/IMPORTANT by Kristjan.Runarsson@t-online.de (Kristjan Runarsson) 10) Re: Aeroclub bombs by Todd Hayes 11) Re: buying kits by Todd Hayes 12) Re: Aeroclub bombs by "David Watts" 13) Re: free virus scan by Tom Plesha 14) Re: buying kits by Larry Marshall 15) Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Fly by "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." 16) Re: Another one on the DH2... by "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." 17) Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 18) Re: Spad wing slot by "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." 19) Re: buying kits by "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." 20) Re: ASSISTANCE by Steve Cox 21) Re: Another one on the DH2... by Morg17ms@aol.com 22) Attn Alberto Casirati by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: buying kits by "Bob Pearson" 24) Re: Another one on the DH2... by "Lee M." 25) Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Lee M." 26) Re: buying kits by Larry Marshall 27) Re: buying kits by Larry Marshall 28) Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Ross Moorhouse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:40:57 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: tally ho! Message-ID: <005501c1ed49$861679e0$af884318@cc.shawcable.net> Graham's reply was far more learned than I could ever aspire to equal, but to keep the balance, the German fighter pilots cried "horrido" when plunging into battle. Likewise, I believe, this had hunting origins. Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:47:34 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org, CoolSpadLuke@aol.com Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: <20020426174907.OIAI29700.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > MisterKit paints are acrylics which work fine for me. I guess the Do these brush and/or spray better than Tamiya acrylics, Mike? I can buy Tamiya locally and in the past found that they spray fine but don't brush all that well, at least in my unsteady hand. > biggest reason I like them is that I'm lazy and they come in most > of the OT color ranges, British, French, German, A-H and Italian. I have noticed that and this is appealing if the colors are true. Do they sell 5-color lozenge that I can brush on (grin)? > You have to pretty much finish models to use a lot of paint. ;-) ...my problem at this point. I haven't built a plastic model in a lot of years, though I have been a fanatical balsa whacker for nearly 40 years. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:00:45 +200 From: grzegorz_mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Harddisk failure/IMPORTANT Message-ID: Hi list! My hard disk is down, and I'm afraid I won't be able to acess all data stored on it, including all my e-mail correspondence with you. Please, resend me all important e-mails you've sent me (I mean especially all swap related things, with your street addresses), and remind me all the things I promised you. I also Warmest greetings! Grzegorz P.S. Ludemanns for Karen, Marcio, and Ivo arrived today. Choroszy Nieuport for Steven sent last Friday, also letter from Steven I've got, thanks for good xerox and all other things. -- Tego nie znajdziesz w żadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:51:14 -0700 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <006101c1ed4a$f5ccff60$af884318@cc.shawcable.net> Lee wrote: "Have any of you ever had a hot "spent" cartridge go down your shirt collar???" Worse, I had one lodge between my plastic name tag and my chest, melting a hole through my shirt. That is the problem with weapons designed by right handers and fired by left-handers! I had an awkward time firing a Lee-Enfield .303 - since approximately ten per cent of the population is left-handed, that means that a lot of the troops in the trenches were somewhat disadvantaged; no wonder they resorted to the bayonet! To bring this back "OT", were aircraft shell case collected in any WWI aircraft or were they simply expelled into the slipstream? Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:23:29 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <3CC99B21.AD907D60@x25.net> Due to an eyesight problem I fired either way. Right handed for far away target and two "fuzzy" sights or left handed for close with a good view of the "fuzzy" peep and a bad front sight. It was the only way I could shoot really well, and, over 25.5 years in the service I averaged over 90% on the ranges.. Last time on the range in the Air Force I got 296 out of a possible 300 with a carbine. and I usa=ually shoot with out my glasses. (I have worn them since I was 7 years old.) Always fired a rifle with them off. They made me fire for the record in late July and I retired on 1 September 69. The O3 and the Enfield are both WW I pieces. They are very accurate, but, a real problem for a "Lefty". In addition they had lots of "hot" casings on your back that way. Even a more modern Carbine can put a few back there. My real weapon was the watercooled MG. I believe it was virtually identical to the ones in WW I. It sure looked the same and when I picked up the tripod to move, I am positive, it weighed just as much.. A huge pain in the back and shoulders. Gunners life expectancy in combat firing time...Four minutes. That was a pain also. My time vastly exceeded that, and, that is why I went into the Air Force when Korea hit the fan. Didn't want to push my luck any further. Lee M. "David C. Fletcher" wrote: > > Lee wrote: > > "Have any of you ever had a hot "spent" cartridge go down your shirt > collar???" > > Worse, I had one lodge between my plastic name tag and my chest, melting a > hole through my shirt. That is the problem with weapons designed by right > handers and fired by left-handers! I had an awkward time firing a > Lee-Enfield .303 - since approximately ten per cent of the population is > left-handed, that means that a lot of the troops in the trenches were > somewhat disadvantaged; no wonder they resorted to the bayonet! > > To bring this back "OT", were aircraft shell case collected in any WWI > aircraft or were they simply expelled into the slipstream? > > Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:50:38 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another one on the DH2... Message-ID: <129.1068d2f9.29fafb7e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/26/02 8:03:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: << And I think Doc Tom is distracted... that button on the control column is the blip switch, I'll bet, and the Lewis gun is triggered on the gun itself. >> I just dug up a cockpit photo showing what is described as a bicycle or motorcycle style brake lever attached to the control stick, connected to a Bowden cable that fies the gun! RK...oh the power of a few hours off to go a-diggin' through the stacks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:59:24 -0500 From: "Ken Acosta" To: Subject: Windsock Question Message-ID: Listees- For those who have access to Volume 10, Number 1 of Windsock International, can you tell me what the contents are of this particular issue? There's a Brisfit model on the cover and I want to know if there's a corresponding article. I'm in Digest, so please respond directly. Thanks- KA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:21:41 +0200 From: Kristjan.Runarsson@t-online.de (Kristjan Runarsson) To: Subject: Re: Aeroclub bombs Message-ID: <001b01c1ed57$98bf3510$ea8dfea9@kristjar> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Krieg" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Aeroclub bombs > Sanjeev notes: > > "Aeroclub makes [British] WW1 bombs." > Does anybody make decent German WW1 - PUW bombs or will i have to cast/photoetch my own? Cheers KR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:14:36 +0200 From: Kristjan.Runarsson@t-online.de (Kristjan Runarsson) To: Subject: Re: Harddisk failure/IMPORTANT Message-ID: <000b01c1ed56$9b562910$ea8dfea9@kristjar> 11th Commandment - Thou shalt make backups. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aeroclub bombs Message-ID: <20020426204008.64506.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Kristjan, Copper State Models doa complete set of German PuW bombs in 1/48. They're wht. metal with PE fins. hth, Todd --- Kristjan Runarsson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lance Krieg" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:16 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Aeroclub bombs > > > > Sanjeev notes: > > > > "Aeroclub makes [British] WW1 bombs." > > > Does anybody make decent German WW1 - PUW bombs or > will i have to > cast/photoetch my own? > > Cheers > KR > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: <20020426204400.23819.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Larry, Another excellent source for Datafiles is www.wingswithwires.com Their prices are excellent, the shipping is very reasonable, and the service is top-notch. Their selection is growing quickly. Todd --- Larry Marshall wrote: > > > MisterKit paints are acrylics which work fine for > me. I guess the > > Do these brush and/or spray better than Tamiya > acrylics, Mike? I can > buy Tamiya locally and in the past found that they > spray fine but > don't brush all that well, at least in my unsteady > hand. > > > biggest reason I like them is that I'm lazy and > they come in most > > of the OT color ranges, British, French, German, > A-H and Italian. > > I have noticed that and this is appealing if the > colors are true. Do > they sell 5-color lozenge that I can brush on > (grin)? > > > You have to pretty much finish models to use a lot > of paint. ;-) > > ...my problem at this point. I haven't built > a plastic model > in a lot of years, though I have been a fanatical > balsa whacker for > nearly 40 years. > > Cheers --- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:51:24 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: Subject: Re: Aeroclub bombs Message-ID: Hi, Hey guys, was it on this group where someone knew about a "Web Doctor" web site where you could run a virus scan on your pc for free? Thanks! Best, Dave -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Kristjan Runarsson Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Aeroclub bombs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Krieg" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Aeroclub bombs > Sanjeev notes: > > "Aeroclub makes [British] WW1 bombs." > Does anybody make decent German WW1 - PUW bombs or will i have to cast/photoetch my own? Cheers KR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: free virus scan Message-ID: <20020426211552.23914.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Dave- using your browser, search for: .. housecall.antivirus.com .. That will take you to the page where you can "click on" the anti virus, I think its the second url shown on that page, its descriptive. HTH Later Tom --- David Watts wrote: > Hi, > > Hey guys, was it on this group where someone knew > about a "Web Doctor" web > site where you could run a virus scan on your pc for > free? > > Thanks! > > Best, > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org > [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Kristjan > Runarsson > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:42 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Aeroclub bombs > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lance Krieg" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:16 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Aeroclub bombs > > > > Sanjeev notes: > > > > "Aeroclub makes [British] WW1 bombs." > > > Does anybody make decent German WW1 - PUW bombs or > will i have to > cast/photoetch my own? > > Cheers > KR > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:05:46 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org, Todd Hayes Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: <20020426220721.RCID9686.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Another excellent source for Datafiles is > www.wingswithwires.com Neat site. I'm pretty much dedicated to Bill Hannan for my Datafile business as we've communicated some 30 years about model aviation. But, I did manage to keep the credit card warm by ordering Bob Pearson's CD from Wings with Wires. Their paper models look cool, too. I'm sure I'll pass a bunch of time going through their archive material. Thanks. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:38:06 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Fly Message-ID: <3CC9D6CD.51FCE2CA@verizon.net> Yep, It's a real wake-up call. Alvie Balzer Mr Gregory P wrote: > Many, many times. Especially at the 200 yard line sitting, and the 300 yard > line prone! Can't describe the pain other than ~ exquisite! > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee M. [mailto:lemen@x25.net] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:19 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer > > Have any of you ever had a hot "spent" cartridge go down your shirt > collar??? > > Or even one from a neighbor, on a rifle range, land on your bare arms??? > > Lee M. > > Shane Weier wrote: > > > > Volker quotes: > > > > > Lamb said he fired the gun > > >from inside his shirt in order to prevent ejected cartridges hitting the > > >(pusher) prop - I guess he needed a new shirt after that. > > > > Do revolvers eject cartridges? *All* my handgun experience is with > > automatics (which do eject cartridges) and revolvers which *definitely do > > not* eject the cartridges until you actively do it yourself. It seems to > me > > that with that sort of revolver you'd go ... > > > > bang bang bang bang bang bang click bugger..... > > > > ...*Then* put the pistol up against your middle to remove the spent > > cartridges .....not shoot holes through your own shirt. > > > > Shane > > > > (a little esoterica for my weekly look in.....) > > > > ********************************************************************** > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > > > For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 > > Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > > Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 > > International ++61 7 38338042 > > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:43:56 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another one on the DH2... Message-ID: <3CC9D82C.5744990C@verizon.net> I believe the button on top was the blip switch. The Lewis gun was fired using the machine gun's own trigger (just forward of the pistol grip). Alvie Diego Fernetti wrote: > Tom M. wrote: > > Correct - the trigger was a button on the top! > > mmmhh, so where was the engine blip switch? > D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:46:30 -0400 From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <787B4995.09BD9C5B.138E644A@aol.com> In a message dated Fri, 26 Apr 2002  2:04:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "David C. Fletcher" writes: >To bring this back "OT", were aircraft shell case collected in any WWI >aircraft or were they simply expelled into the slipstream? I knew I had seen photos of aircraft guns with bags hanging from them. Harry Woodman, in his "Early Aircraft Armament" shows the evolution of the "deflector bag" for the Lewis MG, Mk.II of the series could hold 329 cases. Purely a guess, but if spent casings bouncing around in the aircraft could cause a problem, they were probably somehow collected. If they could be safely ejected or jettisoned overboard, that course was probably followed. HTH, Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:59:46 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spad wing slot Message-ID: <3CC9DBE2.39DA624C@verizon.net> I'll look through my photos I know I have at least one which also shows the bottom of the trangular bellcrank poking through about 1/2 full scale inch (13mm). SPADS were built by several contractors with variations in details not least of which is probably that slot. If I remember right, the slot goes all the way through on the National Air and Space Museum SPAD. Alvie Diego Fernetti wrote: > Alvie > Some diagrams a friend sent me makes me think that the slots are done just > in the upper surfaces, leaving the lower covering without any holes. Do you > have an example that I can check? > TIA! > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <"Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado > RSAITO."@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > > > Diego, > > > > Those slots go all the way through the wing. > > > > Alvie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:14:52 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: <3CC9DF6B.15612CB5@verizon.net> Larry, Misterkit paints are acrylic. They are of very good quality I like them and I don't normally like acrylic paints. I don't agree with some of the colors (PC 10 for one, too me its to green. I'm one of the PC10 was very close to Field Drab (FS30118) believers) but thats a personal choice. Some are more opaque than others but patience and multiple coats fix that. I'm currently using Misterkit British clear doped linen and Battleship Gray on ny current project a Blue Max Sopwith Snipe and will use Misterkit British PC12 on my next project a Blue Max Bristol M1c. I like you am from the days of Floquil and Dio-Sol. I miss the reek of Dio-Sol melting my brain cells and giving me cancer. As for Testor's Modelmaster, its gotten a lot better than it was (no more orange peel) but its still not Floquil. Nothing wore like Floquil. If you ask me, they shut down the wrong line paints. Not that I have an opinion or anything. Alvie Larry Marshall wrote: > On Friday 26 April 2002 09:31 am, CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > > My US source of MisterKit paints! Great service. > > Can you guys say something about these paints? Are they acrylics, > enamels? Why do you prefer them to those that are more readily > available. I'm an old-timer and we used Floquil in the 'old days', > though Humbrol was popular where it could be had. What say you about > the newer formulations of Modelmaster? > > As long as I'm talking, I'd like to follow up my 'yucky service' msg > regarding Great Models with the contrast in dealing with Squadron. I > ordered some kits from them last night. In the process, I screwed up > when I typed my MasterCard number. When I got back from a meeting > this morning there was a msg from them on my answering machine, > explaining what was wrong, gave me the name of a contact person and a > phone number to call. I did. They're shipping the stuff I ordered > right away. I may be getting some new plastic in my hands after all > :-) > > Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:20:46 +0100 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: ASSISTANCE Message-ID: I have a better idea, just send me the transaction fee amounts and I'll deal with these unfortunate foreigners for you. I will take all the stress of not getting the big payout for you. And you could be sure the money would go to a much more worthy cause regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Lance Krieg" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:04:52 -0400 (EDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: ASSISTANCE > > That's what I think, too. I'll keep trying. > >>>> ot811@myrealbox.com 04/24/02 08:58AM >>> > Lance muses: >>>>>> I'm not sure these guys are completely honest... > ----- hmmm, not likely. They have been in business for quite long. Must be > accounting errors at your bank. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:26:57 EDT From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another one on the DH2... Message-ID: <106.11208bab.29fb3c41@aol.com> --part1_106.11208bab.29fb3c41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know what - I think you're perfectly right - the button on the column was indeed the blipper. The Lewis was fired from the trigger on the gun itself!! Sorry for the brain fart. Tom Morgan --part1_106.11208bab.29fb3c41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know what - I think you're perfectly right - the button on the column was indeed the blipper.  The Lewis was fired from the trigger on the gun itself!!  Sorry for the brain fart.

Tom Morgan --part1_106.11208bab.29fb3c41_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:44:13 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Attn Alberto Casirati Message-ID: <101986554201@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Hi Alberto, There has been no reply through the usual addresses, so on the chance they never made it, If you get this please contact me ASAP about our next WS article. Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:51:18 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: <101986554501@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> So far www.wingswithwires.com have sold more of my CDs than anyone else (except me) .... Regards, Bob Pearson Preview my WW1 markings CD http://www.internetmodeler.com/cd-roms/RNP_CD/index.htm Flower Class corvettes http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/Flower/index.htm Managing Editor / Internet Modeler http://www.internetmodeler.com ---------- >From: Todd Hayes > Larry, > > Another excellent source for Datafiles is > www.wingswithwires.com Their prices are excellent, > the shipping is very reasonable, and the service is > top-notch. Their selection is growing quickly. > > Todd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:19:40 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another one on the DH2... Message-ID: <3CC9EE9C.11E37A77@x25.net> Sometimes theynhad a thing that looked like a bicycle brake hanging downm on the front of the stick. when it was squeezed it pulled on a wire that went from the bottom of the stick, sometimes forward and somtimes to the right sidewall then followed a curve up the side or under the instrument panel to the gun trigger, with retainers enroute to keep the outer jacket/covering from moving. Without them the whole cable would move and not do anything but bend occassionally. With time things became more standardized. Lee M New Braunfels, Tx Nothing overly sophisticated. KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/26/02 8:03:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lance.krieg@amerus.com writes: > > << And I think Doc Tom is distracted... that button on the control column > is the blip switch, I'll bet, and the Lewis gun is triggered on the gun > itself. > >> > > I just dug up a cockpit photo showing what is described as a bicycle or > motorcycle style brake lever attached to the control stick, connected to a > Bowden cable that fies the gun! > RK...oh the power of a few hours off to go a-diggin' through the stacks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:28:21 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <3CC9F0A5.47F4DDFC@x25.net> Most MGs on planes eject from the bottom of the MG frame and they have a kind of oversize collector tube to a container inside. But the recollection of bags is correct. They even had a few in WW II Modern aircraft had holes in the bottom of the wings and you haven't really lived till a 50 caliber cartridge casing bounces off of you steel helmet. It won't happen often but it does happen. On occassion a person will get hit on their shoulders or nearby body area and it causes damage. CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated Fri, 26 Apr 2002 2:04:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "David C. Fletcher" writes: > > >To bring this back "OT", were aircraft shell case collected in any WWI > >aircraft or were they simply expelled into the slipstream? > > I knew I had seen photos of aircraft guns with bags hanging from them. Harry Woodman, in his "Early Aircraft Armament" shows the evolution of the "deflector bag" for the Lewis MG, Mk.II of the series could hold 329 cases. > > Purely a guess, but if spent casings bouncing around in the aircraft could cause a problem, they were probably somehow collected. If they could be safely ejected or jettisoned overboard, that course was probably followed. > > HTH, > Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:34:16 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org, Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: <20020427003551.WCBO751.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Misterkit paints are acrylic. They are of very good quality I like > them and I don't normally like acrylic paints. I don't agree with This suggests I should try them :-) I'm sure you remember when the first PolyScale formula was released. It was like trying to paint with colored water. I found Tamiya to be better but never a replacement for "real" Floquil. > some of the colors (PC 10 for one, too me its to green. I'm one of > the PC10 was very close to Field Drab (FS30118) believers) but I will surely prove a disappointment to many here as I've learned that the only way I can finish models is by a hard and concerted fight against AMS. If I start worrying too much about some of this stuff, I just chase my tail and spend all my time reading about airplanes, which ain't bad but it doesn't get anything built. So, If it's close, it's good enough for me, much to the chagrin of the experts. > I'm currently using Misterkit British clear doped linen and Battleship Gray on ny current project a Blue Max Sopwith Snipe and will use Misterkit >From what I can see, there are 6 colors in the British set. I'll probably just buy a bottle of each and give them a try. > British PC12 on my next project a Blue Max Bristol M1c. I like you > am from the days of Floquil and Dio-Sol. I miss the reek of > Dio-Sol melting my brain cells and giving me cancer. Aw...clears all the second hand smoke from my sinuses :-) If Testors hadn't killed the color selection (who needs Burlington Northern Green) when they bought them, I'd probably still use them. But I'm searching for a replacement. I find Modelmaster enamels work pretty well on stick-n-tissue models but I haven't tried them on plastics yet. > If you ask me, they shut down the wrong line paints. Not that I > have an opinion or anything. I agree and they didn't ask me either :-) At the time I was the editor in chief of Model Airplane News so I did get the opportunity to talk to them about it but those conversations were wishes that they would expand the color line. I think they killed the military line just to spite me :-) Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:35:09 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org, "Bob Pearson" Subject: Re: buying kits Message-ID: <20020427003644.WCIQ751.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > So far www.wingswithwires.com have sold more of my CDs than anyone > else (except me) .... They did a fine job. They kept me clicking around, looking at cool stuff until I came on your CD. What's a guy to do? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:25:02 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <001401c1ed9b$1dfcb8e0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> I bet being hit by a 50cal cartridge would alos cause the hit person to want to change their undies too. I think a good example of this was shown in BlackHawk down when a group of US Troops on the ground had one of their Helo Gunship right above them firing off iots gatting guns. Streams of hot casing rained down on the troops. Not being a gun person by any means, did they reuse the cartiages that they brought back in the bags of WWI planes ?? Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee M." To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer > Most MGs on planes eject from the bottom of the MG frame and they have a > kind of oversize collector tube to a container inside. > > But the recollection of bags is correct. They even had a few in WW II > > Modern aircraft had holes in the bottom of the wings and you haven't > really lived till a 50 caliber cartridge casing bounces off of you steel > helmet. It won't happen often but it does happen. On occassion a > person will get hit on their shoulders or nearby body area and it causes > damage. > > > > CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated Fri, 26 Apr 2002 2:04:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "David C. Fletcher" writes: > > > > >To bring this back "OT", were aircraft shell case collected in any WWI > > >aircraft or were they simply expelled into the slipstream? > > > > I knew I had seen photos of aircraft guns with bags hanging from them. Harry Woodman, in his "Early Aircraft Armament" shows the evolution of the "deflector bag" for the Lewis MG, Mk.II of the series could hold 329 cases. > > > > Purely a guess, but if spent casings bouncing around in the aircraft could cause a problem, they were probably somehow collected. If they could be safely ejected or jettisoned overboard, that course was probably followed. > > > > HTH, > > Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4362 **********************