WWI Digest 4358 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA by "Ross Moorhouse" 2) RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA by Crawford Neil 3) RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Spad wing slot by "Diego Fernetti" 5) RE: Spad wing slot by Crawford Neil 6) RE: Spad wing slot by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Another on topic Lego by tbittners@sprintmail.com 8) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by Volker Haeusler 9) New Roden by tbittners@sprintmail.com 10) RE: Another on topic Lego by "Diego Fernetti" 11) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer by Volker Haeusler 13) RE: Another on topic Lego by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 14) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by Volker Haeusler 15) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Diego Fernetti" 16) Re: Another on topic Lego by "Michael Kendix" 17) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Michael Kendix" 18) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Re: Another one on the DH2... by Crawford Neil 20) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Lee M." 21) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Michael Kendix" 22) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 23) List Get Together by GRBroman@aol.com 24) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Michael Kendix" 25) Re: 'Propellerblatt' is online now by "Graham Hunter" 26) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by "Diego Fernetti" 27) RE: OT Aircraft over Mexico by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 28) RE: Renwal Wright Flyer by Volker Haeusler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:28:32 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA Message-ID: <003f01c1ec4c$54f50d20$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Please explain.... pasion latina Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA > Is the pasion latina we all have ;-) > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ross Moorhouse > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:20 AM > Subject: [WWI] RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA > > > > I didnt know that the pic of the jennys was a hyperlink to a bigger image. > > But i see what you mean. They must of had real strong throwing arms too. > ;-) > > > > Ross > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diego Fernetti" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:16 PM > > Subject: [WWI] RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA > > > > > > > I guess that the artist who did the painting got a little carried away > > > painting the damage... or else in Mexico there is very sharp stones! > > > Extensive damage can be done with just a small rip of the fabric. > > > D. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ross Moorhouse > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:09 AM > > > Subject: [WWI] Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA > > > > > > > > > > http://www.leachintl.com/heritage/heritage-4-2001.html > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Ross > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:31:55 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA Message-ID: > > Please explain.... pasion latina > > Ross > > Oh dear, and this is supposed to be family reading, well we'll just have to brace ourselves! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:33:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA Message-ID: <019a01c1ec4d$0e017ce0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Unexplainable... it's our urge to tear down aircraft and presidents. We can't control it! ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Moorhouse To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Found this : THE JENNY vs. PANCHO VILLA > Please explain.... pasion latina > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:51:31 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Spad wing slot Message-ID: <01b601c1ec4f$8b064520$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! (and other spadofiles) Before attaching the lower wing to the fuselage I was about to drill some shallow holes for the struts when i noticed that I must do some small slots on the lower wings of the Spad XIII to house the aileron cranks (see http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Fre/SPAD13/pss13_12.jpg) Was this slot all the way through the wing or just on the upper surface? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:55:25 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Spad wing slot Message-ID: Only on the upper surface. I thought you were trying to avoid AMS on this one! /Neil C. (who's never bothered) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:00:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Spad wing slot Message-ID: <01c401c1ec50$d3d86e80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well, in fact my cheating for AMS on this will be to apply a small sliver of black decal where the slot should be. If the slot was all through, I would have to drill and cut it with a jeweler's saw! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Spad wing slot > Only on the upper surface. I thought you were trying to avoid AMS > on this one! > /Neil C. (who's never bothered) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Another on topic Lego Message-ID: <20020425120526.64D80468CE@eclipse.qis.net> Sorry about the previous blank message (if it gets through). I saw this on Hyperscale. Lego is releasing a companion to their Camel, this time a all-red Fokker Dr.I: http://shop.lego.com/productinfo.asp?product_number=10024 Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:15:25 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: Diego, > IIRC the first aerial bombing ever recorded was done by a turkish airplane > and IIRC the pilot was a woman. Italians also used a lot of Bleriots and > some Taubes on the war over Libia or Ethiopia (which was that, Alberto?) > This might be some new findings - "conventional" history usually has Italian Cmdr. Gavotti in a Lohner-Etrich Taube as the first bomber pilot of the world - *against* the Turks, in Libya, November 11, 1911 (ie, *exactly* 7 years before the "war to end all wars" finally ended). As for the Turks, I think they did not use aircraft before 1912 (and in combat in the Balkan War 1913). The Italian Bleriot is usually named for teh first ever combat recce mission IIRC (also in Libya, a week or 2 before the bombing mission). Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:08:37 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New Roden Message-ID: <20020425120837.1BFD3468CE@eclipse.qis.net> I just saw that Jadar has the latest Roden in: Albatros D.II/D.II Oeffag and D.III, plus the early Albatros-built Fokker D.VII. Plus a little off topic, but they also have the new Mirage 1/72nd 7TP and Vickers tanks. Sweet! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:10:25 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Another on topic Lego Message-ID: <01e101c1ec52$2ee641c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Because doing the streaked fokker green with lego bricks was quite difficult D. ----- Original Message ----- From: > Sorry about the previous blank message (if it gets through). I saw this on Hyperscale. Lego is releasing a companion to their Camel, this time a all-red Fokker Dr.I: > http://shop.lego.com/productinfo.asp?product_number=10024 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:12:01 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <01e701c1ec52$67fea6a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I may be cionfused, I read all this a long while ago. Thanks for the clarification Volker! You have a wonderful memory D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Volker Haeusler To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Renwal Wright Flyer > Diego, > > > IIRC the first aerial bombing ever recorded was done by a turkish airplane > > and IIRC the pilot was a woman. Italians also used a lot of Bleriots and > > some Taubes on the war over Libia or Ethiopia (which was that, Alberto?) > > > > This might be some new findings - "conventional" history usually has Italian > Cmdr. Gavotti in a Lohner-Etrich Taube as the first bomber pilot of the > world - *against* the Turks, in Libya, November 11, 1911 (ie, *exactly* 7 > years before the "war to end all wars" finally ended). As for the Turks, I > think they did not use aircraft before 1912 (and in combat in the Balkan War > 1913). The Italian Bleriot is usually named for teh first ever combat recce > mission IIRC (also in Libya, a week or 2 before the bombing mission). > > Volker > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:20:52 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Air Combat for Pancho Villa, was: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: Ross, > I always thought that the first air to > air was over France. > > I can just see model making contests and there is this Jenny with The Red > Star and everyone wondering if the Russians had any. > snip >Now I want to know more. according to St. Harry (Earl Aircraft Armamanet, p. 28): An American named Dean Ivan Lamb, recruited in New Mexico by Carranza agents, flew a Curtiss Pusher for Pancho Villa´s Divison del Norte. He flew bombing missions (using length of water pipe filled with blasting powder), carrying a revolver (for the case of an emergency landing in the wrong area, as in this case "the people on the ground might be unacquainted with the provisons of the Geneva convention", to quote St. Harry). In November 1913, while on his way to bomb Huertista positions near Naco, he met a Huertista Curtiss flown by another American mercenery, named Phil Rader. Rader seemingly fired first, and for 15 minutes the two circled around each other, shooting with their revolvers. Lamb said he fired the gun from inside his shirt in order to prevent ejected cartridges hitting the (pusher) prop - I guess he needed a new shirt after that. St. Harry ends: "However, neither pilot managed to hit the other in this first aerial duel in history between two aeroplanes". Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:25:43 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: RE: Another on topic Lego Message-ID: <001401c1ec54$5279b340$5d1ba8c0@officesp.starmedia> > I saw this on Hyperscale. Lego is releasing a companion to > their Camel, this time a all-red Fokker Dr.I: Aren't the markings wrong? ;-) Sorry for using the list for this, but I have an ot kit request, I hope you can help me. I'm looking for those 1/144 Italeri/Dragon MiG 29 and Su 27 - as many as I can get. No online shop has them, and even kingkit.co.uk doesn't have the kits anymore. If you have one/some and want to trade, contact me *off list* please! :-) TIA and all the best from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil +55 11 30436421 marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:25:27 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: Diego > You have a wonderful memory > The Taube stuff was actually not memory - just arrived at home and looked into "Dove of War". The first Turkish aircraft and Italian Bleriot remark *is* from memory though - and will therefore most probably be wrong... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:24:04 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <021e01c1ec54$16897640$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> In any case Volker, your forgetfulness is far more precise than any of my "quotes"! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Volker Haeusler To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Renwal Wright Flyer > Diego > > > You have a wonderful memory > > > The Taube stuff was actually not memory - just arrived at home and looked > into "Dove of War". The first Turkish aircraft and Italian Bleriot remark > *is* from memory though - and will therefore most probably be wrong... > > Volker > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:37:26 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another on topic Lego Message-ID: >From: tbittners@sprintmail.com >Sorry about the previous blank message (if it gets through). I saw >this >on Hyperscale. Lego is releasing a companion to their Camel, >this time a > all-red Fokker Dr.I: >http://shop.lego.com/productinfo.asp?product_number=10024 What "groan"? It's Lego! Do you really expect them to come out with a Nieuport 17:)? Just be glad they're not putting out a Bf-109. FWIW, the Camel is decent and my 8 year old put his together in about 4 hours, including the stick-on decals and rigging. he did it on his own - any time I tried to come near and assist, I was promptly discouraged from approaching. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:40:03 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: What concerns me about this kit is how are you supposed to apply the blasted paper covering to the wings? Would the kit's paper still be OK or would I have to go out and get some new paper? Do they give you a sort of template to cut your own? Michael >From: "Diego Fernetti" >Michael >Other have answered about the kit... >I consider it On Topic, sine we usually "stretch" topicness to cover early >aviation as well as experimental machines. Besides. if you build a Wright >Flyer in 1/72 no one here will argue to see your pictures of it! :-) >There's a book of WW1 plans from Wylam and others by Air Age Publishing >that >has a drawing of the military Wright. >D. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Michael Kendix >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:55 PM >Subject: [WWI] Renwal Wright Flyer > > > > Please tell me something about this kit. > > > > What scale? Does it use that paper stuff to cover the wings? Is it >made >of > > plastic? Overall description? > > > > Is this off topic? > > > > Michael > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:46:37 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <028801c1ec57$3d3cf700$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I have a couple of Entex "Early birds" with the same system and I guess I'll never use the paper anyway. I'd replace the whole wings with scored plastic wings, using the kit parts as a pattern for ribs D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Renwal Wright Flyer > What concerns me about this kit is how are you supposed to apply the blasted > paper covering to the wings? Would the kit's paper still be OK or would I > have to go out and get some new paper? Do they give you a sort of template > to cut your own? > > Michael > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > >Michael > >Other have answered about the kit... > >I consider it On Topic, sine we usually "stretch" topicness to cover early > >aviation as well as experimental machines. Besides. if you build a Wright > >Flyer in 1/72 no one here will argue to see your pictures of it! :-) > >There's a book of WW1 plans from Wylam and others by Air Age Publishing > >that > >has a drawing of the military Wright. > >D. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Michael Kendix > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:55 PM > >Subject: [WWI] Renwal Wright Flyer > > > > > > > Please tell me something about this kit. > > > > > > What scale? Does it use that paper stuff to cover the wings? Is it > >made > >of > > > plastic? Overall description? > > > > > > Is this off topic? > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:53:05 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Another one on the DH2... Message-ID: > > No - not a spade gripe. It was a straight column with a hand > grip on top - > like a bicycle handle gripe - something like a spad column top. > > Tom Morgan I suppose tht's why I managed to get it right. I had a peek in the cockpit of my DH2, saw a stick, some lovely instruments that I forgot I'd put in, and cream-paint, doh! Oh well, its done it's duty on the competition tables, and maybe there really was a mechanic with cream- paint and a paintbrush who painted the insides of 24 squadron nacelles. Dicta Ira I say, and plenty of it! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:00:02 -0500 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <3CC7FDD2.B8D11EA1@x25.net> If you are talking about Pershing it was a JN3. About a 1913 aircraft design. First aircraft ever used by the U.S. in a war. Lee M. Ross Moorhouse wrote: > > This Military Wright would of been a trainer? I know its sounds a bit of a > D!OH question, but then again what aircraft, if any, did the US use in their > battles against the Mexicans? > > Ross... Hoping i am not way off beam here. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diego Fernetti" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:22 PM > Subject: [WWI] RE: Renwal Wright Flyer > > > Michael > > Other have answered about the kit... > > I consider it On Topic, sine we usually "stretch" topicness to cover early > > aviation as well as experimental machines. Besides. if you build a Wright > > Flyer in 1/72 no one here will argue to see your pictures of it! :-) > > There's a book of WW1 plans from Wylam and others by Air Age Publishing > that > > has a drawing of the military Wright. > > D. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael Kendix > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:55 PM > > Subject: [WWI] Renwal Wright Flyer > > > > > > > Please tell me something about this kit. > > > > > > What scale? Does it use that paper stuff to cover the wings? Is it > made > > of > > > plastic? Overall description? > > > > > > Is this off topic? > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:14:22 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: Won't happen because I only have about 4 weeks to build it, if I decide to do it. Michael >From: "Diego Fernetti" > >I have a couple of Entex "Early birds" with the same system and I guess >I'll >never use the paper anyway. I'd replace the whole wings with scored plastic >wings, using the kit parts as a pattern for ribs >D. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Michael Kendix >To: Multiple recipients of list >Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:42 AM >Subject: [WWI] RE: Renwal Wright Flyer > > > > What concerns me about this kit is how are you supposed to apply the >blasted > > paper covering to the wings? Would the kit's paper still be OK or would >I > > have to go out and get some new paper? Do they give you a sort of >template > > to cut your own? > > > > Michael > > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > >Michael > > >Other have answered about the kit... > > >I consider it On Topic, sine we usually "stretch" topicness to cover >early > > >aviation as well as experimental machines. Besides. if you build a >Wright > > >Flyer in 1/72 no one here will argue to see your pictures of it! :-) > > >There's a book of WW1 plans from Wylam and others by Air Age Publishing > > >that > > >has a drawing of the military Wright. > > >D. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Michael Kendix > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:55 PM > > >Subject: [WWI] Renwal Wright Flyer > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me something about this kit. > > > > > > > > What scale? Does it use that paper stuff to cover the wings? Is it > > >made > > >of > > > > plastic? Overall description? > > > > > > > > Is this off topic? > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:28:03 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <1019741283.3cc804639ba2c@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Michael Kendix : > What concerns me about this kit is how are you supposed to apply the > blasted > paper covering to the wings? Liquid glue IIRC - the paper was impregnated with something or other Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:30:06 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: List Get Together Message-ID: <60F674B1.34BA1F47.006CAF84@aol.com> Hey folks, shall we try to set up a get together at the St. Louis show next weekend? Who is going? Glen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:43:46 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: Dave: By "Liquid glue" do you mean the stuff in the black rhomboid-shaped plastic container with a needle applicator? Or testors orange tube glue? Michael >From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] RE: Renwal Wright Flyer >Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) > >Quoting Michael Kendix : > > > What concerns me about this kit is how are you supposed to apply the > > blasted > > paper covering to the wings? > >Liquid glue IIRC - the paper was impregnated with something or other > >Dave F > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:52:48 -0500 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: Re: 'Propellerblatt' is online now Message-ID: <000501c1ec60$7dddfbc0$770101c0@ghunter> What kind of lozenge is that on the fuselage of the Hannover? It appears to be only 3 colour, Blue, purple and green. Is it the Night lozenge? NTK, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:51:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: <02ad01c1ec60$5cf10740$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> You'll spend less time making them in stock plastic than trying to clean up and glue those grills they give as wings. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Renwal Wright Flyer > Won't happen because I only have about 4 weeks to build it, if I decide to > do it. > > Michael > > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > > >I have a couple of Entex "Early birds" with the same system and I guess > >I'll > >never use the paper anyway. I'd replace the whole wings with scored plastic > >wings, using the kit parts as a pattern for ribs > >D. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Michael Kendix > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:42 AM > >Subject: [WWI] RE: Renwal Wright Flyer > > > > > > > What concerns me about this kit is how are you supposed to apply the > >blasted > > > paper covering to the wings? Would the kit's paper still be OK or would > >I > > > have to go out and get some new paper? Do they give you a sort of > >template > > > to cut your own? > > > > > > Michael > > > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > > >Michael > > > >Other have answered about the kit... > > > >I consider it On Topic, sine we usually "stretch" topicness to cover > >early > > > >aviation as well as experimental machines. Besides. if you build a > >Wright > > > >Flyer in 1/72 no one here will argue to see your pictures of it! :-) > > > >There's a book of WW1 plans from Wylam and others by Air Age Publishing > > > >that > > > >has a drawing of the military Wright. > > > >D. > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Michael Kendix > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:55 PM > > > >Subject: [WWI] Renwal Wright Flyer > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me something about this kit. > > > > > > > > > > What scale? Does it use that paper stuff to cover the wings? Is it > > > >made > > > >of > > > > > plastic? Overall description? > > > > > > > > > > Is this off topic? > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > >http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:56:48 -0500 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: OT Aircraft over Mexico Message-ID: <5F4636CE02C4D511B0D600065B04EA0903268F35@ITCREX002> I have a book called "Wings Over the Mexican Border" that I bought mainly as a reference for my collection of "Between the Wars" aircraft operating out of an airstrip in the Big Bend area of Texas. Most of the book is concerned with this airstrip, but it also chronicles some early aviation involvement in patrolling the Texas/Mexico Border before and during WWI. The cover shows what looks like a flight of Bleriots over that part of the Rocky Mountains. As I have not paid much attention to the early birds in this area, I will check on the book when I get home and report -- if I can remember. Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:23:50 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Renwal Wright Flyer Message-ID: Michael > > By "Liquid glue" do you mean the stuff in the black > rhomboid-shaped plastic > container with a needle applicator? Or testors orange tube glue? > > Michael > the Aeroskin kits came with a small glass bottle of liquid plastic glue. You are supposed to lay the skeleton pieces on the Aeroskin material, draw around the edges with a pencil and cut out the "skin" needed. Lay the paper on the plastic skeleton and apply the liquid glue to the "outside" of the paper (ie, not the side facing the plastic. In theory at least, teh glue will soak through the paper, dissolve the plastic, which will creep into the papers pores, producing a strong bond. In practice, there should be some problems ( I admit I *never* tried this method for fear of ruining the few Renwals I got): - Applying too much cement ruins the rather fragile plastic skeleton - the paper, while obviously porous, is rather thick and does not "look" too convincing As an alternative, both for scratchbuilds (I did a Lilienthal glider and a Grade 1908 monoplane) and the Bleriot I build some time ago (the one that comes with the Wright), I found a very thin paper that in germany is called "Butterbrotpapier" (lit. "buttered bread paper", paper used traditionally in many parts of central Europe to wrap your lunch bread in). extremely thin and translucent, it looks very convincing when sprayed with a few coats of thinned down linen color. The Japanese have even better paper BTW - but it can be quite expensive, whereas the wrapping paper comes at negligible cost. I applied it with diluted white glue - no risk for the plastic involved. Volker ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4358 **********************