WWI Digest 4342 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up by "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." 2) RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up by "Steven Perry" 3) RE: Opinions on the 1/72 scale Airfix Handley Page 0/400 mu by pschwartzkopf 4) re: The Ansaldo Balilla restoration project by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 5) re: The Ansaldo Balilla restoration project by Crawford Neil 6) OFF topic PBY thing/ was: IPMS DC famous six meet up by "Michael Kendix" 7) re: The Ansaldo Balilla restoration project by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 8) re: The Ansaldo Balilla restoration project by Crawford Neil 9) Re: 1/72 Airfix De Haviland DH-4 and scratch building (Wings and by bill anthony 10) RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up by "Diego Fernetti" 11) RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up by Balzer Mr Gregory P 12) RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: 1/72 Airfix De Haviland DH-4 and scratch building (Wings and by "NEIL EDDY" 14) RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up by "NEIL EDDY" 15) Jig Question by "NEIL EDDY" 16) RE: Jig Question by "Diego Fernetti" 17) RE: Jig Question by "NEIL EDDY" 18) RE: Jig Question by "Diego Fernetti" 19) more on Jigs by "Diego Fernetti" 20) RE: more on Jigs by "Diego Fernetti" 21) RE: Jig Question by "NEIL EDDY" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:12:28 -0400 From: "Michael S. Alvarado NSWCCD. Sharon J. Alvarado RSAITO." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up Message-ID: <3CBE9C0C.FE5812F6@verizon.net> No, a Nieuport 28 in USAS markings, in 1/48 scale to boot! Alvie Dave Fleming wrote: > Quoting Michael Kendix : > > > Photos from last night's escaped are at: > > > > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze36j27/temp1/dc0402-2.jpg > > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze36j27/temp1/dc0402-3.jpg > > > > Left to right, are Brian Nicklas, Matt Bittner, Michael Kendix, Greg > > Balzer, > > Mike Alvarado, and Sanjeev Hirve. > > > Michael, you look a lot younger than your photo on the Rouges Gallery, > cracking 'tache Sanjeev. But why is Matt being sick ? Someone paint a Nieuport > in RFC markings ?? > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:26:39 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up Message-ID: <002501c1e6c3$8705ccc0$8a301c18@tampabay.rr.com> Dave writes: >But why is Matt being sick ? Someone paint a Nieuport > in RFC markings ?? To which Alvie Responds: > No, a Nieuport 28 in USAS markings, in 1/48 scale to boot! That must have really made him ill. So tell us, what does Six Color French camo look like? Any Methuen color numbers for us?;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:59:08 -0600 From: pschwartzkopf To: Subject: RE: Opinions on the 1/72 scale Airfix Handley Page 0/400 mu Message-ID: <200204181159.g3IBx8k15020@cablelinc.com> Vision loss and insanity from 1/72 kits? And here I thought it was caused by programming computers! When I finish going through my kits, I will post a message offering to email it to anyone who contacts me offline. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks. Paul --- "David R. Crowell" wrote: > > Paul, > The bottom fell out of the market price for 1/72 WWI kits yesterday when it > was found that they lead to vision loss and insanity. Only special > authorized waste depots can safely dispose of them. Luckily I happen to live > next door to such a facility and would be happy to dispose of your old kits > properly for you. Think of your health man, think of the children! > > ;-) > > --dave > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:00:20 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: The Ansaldo Balilla restoration project Message-ID: <00ac01c1e6d9$0100b5c0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi list! I don't want to begun Polish-Italian war, especially if I like Italy very much and deeply admire Alberto Casirati, but some his statements given in Balilla history on Jim's page needs correction. Alberto wrote: "In all probability, Polish pilots were happy with their mounts, as Polish authorities decided to build the type under license." - which is not true. Transaction of purchasing Italian built Balillas and obtaining licence were almost simultaneous, and precise dates you have below: 1st batch of 10 Italian built planes: order from August 1919 2nd batch of 15 Italian planes: order from March 1920 3rd batch of 10 Italian planes: order from August 1920 First Balilla which ever reached Poland (demonstration, pre-ordered plane called "prim" or "primo") appeared in crate in December 1919, and wasn't assembled before January 1920. First batch of 15 from ordered planes appeared in Poland 9th January 1920, and group take off from Warsaw to front unit was in 1st May 1920, so May 1920 is the earliest time when Polish pilots could experience anyhing with their Balillas. License for producing Balillas in Poland was purchased in October 1919, TWO MONTHS BEFORE first Italian built Balilla reached Polish soil. Decision of purchasing and license building of that planes was undertaken in very bad conditions of war (which for Poland ended in autumn 1920, remember Soviet army 15 km from Warsaw in August 1920!!!), and after failure or partial only success of similar talks with France, Britain and US, and after collapse of import from Germany and Austria due to Allied restrictions on Central Powers industries. Alberto also wrote: "War needs, the Polish ground crews inexperience and the fact that engines had been produced during the first world war, caused some reliability problems, which were rashly explained with a supposed engine unreliability. As the SPA 6A engine gave a very good account of itself during the first world conflict, it seems more reasonable to assume that the Polish aircraft powerplants were not adequately overhauled before being pressed in service." In fact Polish ground crews were very skilled and experienced, serving during war in various, but mostly in very well organized German and Austrian Air Forces. After the WWI they proved to be able to make operational and mantain in good condition even very old and worned engines produced by various manufacturers, in various countries during WWI, both in frontline units and in repair workshops. From over 2000 planes used in Poland between 1918-1924, almost half (968) planes were war loot (mostly planes abandoned on Polish soil by Germans and Austrians), and considering that Poland wasn't at that time by any means WWI frontline or didn't included any important aviation manufacturers, great majority of that planes were old and in bad condition (we had many Albies B.II, C.I, HB B.Is, and even Albatros D.II, AGO C.II and Lohner B.II). Also planes purchased by Poland were rarely new ones, and Polish engineers proved to be able to make airworthy even planes and engines, which French crews (serving in Poland) decided to scrap. Another fact is, that Poland used great number of engine types, British, French, German, Austrian and Italian, and really very well known problems we had only with Italian ones. Engines delivered from Italy were unreliable, but probably not because of general unreliability of design, but beacuse Italians delivered not engines selected by Polish comission, but other of the same type, not new ones and of bad quality (maybe those which didn't passed Italian quality control). Document proving that fact is in Polish archives, and whole case have been solving on diplomatic level. I must admit, that Alberto's statement about bad quality of Polish Balilla production is definitely right, but production is different thing than operating maintenance. Warmest cheers for whole list, and mostly for Italians. Ciao!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:10:36 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: re: The Ansaldo Balilla restoration project Message-ID: This isn't so much a Polish problem, as a general problem caused by using war-surplus material. Sometimes you were lucky sometimes not. The Swedish air force had awful problems with the well respected Nieuport 29, at the same time the Phönix DIII was well liked and kept in service. I think a lot of it has to do with what kinds of engine the mechanics were used, in Sweden Mercedes engines were well known and liked, the Hispano was an unknown. If there had been a war, it might have been a different story, in that case I think the pilots would have insisted on keeping the Nieuports. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:14:30 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OFF topic PBY thing/ was: IPMS DC famous six meet up Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil >Dave wrote: > > Michael, you look a lot younger than your photo on the > > Rouges Gallery, > >But not as well dressed! >/Neil C. >(disappointed that he wasn't wearing 16 inch bell-bottoms) Yes, the bell-bottoms are a thing of the past, just like my 28 inch waist. And, yes, Dave, Sanjeev's moustache is an amazing entity. I tried to emmulate it but most people though I'd either left some of my breakfast on top of my lip or just hadn't washed in a week. In any event I have an off topic request. My next door neighbour was a PBY pilot during WW2. I have scanned a photo of his aeroplane but I am useless at identifying it specifically. I think it is not too hard a task to identify for someone who knows anything about these things at all. There's also a 2nd picture of a aeroplane that I'd like to identify too. Please let me know OFF LIST if you can help and I'll send you a couple of jpegs 118kb and 69kb). Thanks in advance, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:16:59 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: The Ansaldo Balilla restoration project Message-ID: <012601c1e6db$537530e0$0200a8c0@x.pl> > The Swedish air force had awful problems with the well respected > Nieuport 29, at the same time the Phönix DIII was well liked and kept > in service. Poles were only dreaming about Nieuports 29. France didn't wanted to sell. They offered Spads, at first VIIs only, and later old used XIIIs. G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:22:59 +0200 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: re: The Ansaldo Balilla restoration project Message-ID: Poles were only dreaming about Nieuports 29. France didn't wanted to > sell. They offered Spads, at first VIIs only, and later old used > XIIIs. > G. Be happy, they were dogs! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT) From: bill anthony To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1/72 Airfix De Haviland DH-4 and scratch building (Wings and Message-ID: <20020418143829.11201.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Shane, Sorry I am some what of a novice modeler at this point. I guess I should have said detailing. But then I was considering the construction of pieces for the cockpit of the DH4. These pieces would probably have to be scratch built. Hence these scratch build parts would go into a cockpit to detail it. Or would you be scratch building the cockpit. Its just so confusing! Bill A. --- Shane Weier wrote: > Bill says: > > > Does anyone think it would be with in reason to > take > > that kit, thin the wings and then redo the rib > > detail??? This would be my first attempt at such > an > > endevour. > > I am sure the cockpit could use some scratch > building > > too. > > Any opions on such a project? > > Mmmm. Some definitions > > Scratch building - Starting with *no* kit and making > a model of a > plane/tank/truck/whatever > > Detailing - starting with a kit and replacing or > improving parts and adding > bits to make a better plane/tank/truck/whatever than > the kit alone allows > > You had me giggling. Saying the Aifix DH-4 is a good > start for a > scratchbuild means (to many of us anyway) that it > ought to be tossed aside > and replaced entirely. > > Which IMO isn't right. It's a fair enough starting > point for a detailing > project, and I used its wings as raw material for a > variety of otherwise > scratchbuilds and conversions too many years ago > > Shane > > (the exiled - archive crawling and sneaking an > email) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 > Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:10:17 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up Message-ID: <00e401c1e6eb$266f0e80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael! > Usually, a bathing suit, I believe (a site beyond description, I'm sure) Yikes. He must be a sales representative for Speedo again. > Left to right, are Brian Nicklas, Matt Bittner, Michael Kendix, Greg Balzer, > Mike Alvarado, and Sanjeev Hirve. Nice bunch! Brian, you look exactly like Richard Bach, the writer. Michael, nice outfit. Are these shorts a Pearsonian trend? Or just the colonial dress for an englisman? Greg and Alvie at last I know how you look! The finger chopper will find you easier now. BTW Alvie, you look just like Shane Weier. Watch out he could be your Doppelgänger. Sanjeev, those moustaches must be very confusing when you rig a biplane. How do you know wich strand to glue to the wing? > Watching Matt eat through that Darth Vader was another of > those things that defies description. Impressive! (read with metallic voice and sound of muffled respiration) D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:14:41 -0400 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C9760169D233@TECOM03E> Actually Diego my image has been digitally altered as I am on the witness protection program, living a quiet life here in suburban Washington DC, taking up simple and unassuming hobbies such as orchid cultivation, rigging plastic bi-plane models, and hanging around junior high schools after hours. The Chopper will never find me!!! Greg -----Original Message----- From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up Michael! > Usually, a bathing suit, I believe (a site beyond description, I'm sure) Yikes. He must be a sales representative for Speedo again. > Left to right, are Brian Nicklas, Matt Bittner, Michael Kendix, Greg Balzer, > Mike Alvarado, and Sanjeev Hirve. Nice bunch! Brian, you look exactly like Richard Bach, the writer. Michael, nice outfit. Are these shorts a Pearsonian trend? Or just the colonial dress for an englisman? Greg and Alvie at last I know how you look! The finger chopper will find you easier now. BTW Alvie, you look just like Shane Weier. Watch out he could be your Doppelganger. Sanjeev, those moustaches must be very confusing when you rig a biplane. How do you know wich strand to glue to the wing? > Watching Matt eat through that Darth Vader was another of > those things that defies description. Impressive! (read with metallic voice and sound of muffled respiration) D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:24:25 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up Message-ID: <026d01c1e6ed$1ffa0080$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Boy how I hate that Witness Protection Program. Makes it all very complicated and I usually end cutting someone's elses fingers. Bummer. I'll keep trying! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Balzer Mr Gregory P > Actually Diego my image has been digitally altered as I am on the witness > protection program, living a quiet life here in suburban Washington DC, > taking up simple and unassuming hobbies such as orchid cultivation, rigging > plastic bi-plane models, and hanging around junior high schools after hours. > The Chopper will never find me!!! > Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:34:07 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: 1/72 Airfix De Haviland DH-4 and scratch building (Wings and Message-ID: <009901c1e6ee$7b5a3980$d07032d2@default> Whatever! Dicta Ira (Just have fun!) All the Best Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill anthony" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: 1/72 Airfix De Haviland DH-4 and scratch building (Wings and > Shane, > Sorry I am some what of a novice modeler at this > point. I guess I should have said detailing. But > then I was considering the construction of pieces for > the cockpit of the DH4. These pieces would probably > have to be scratch built. Hence these scratch build > parts would go into a cockpit to detail it. Or would > you be scratch building the cockpit. Its just so > confusing! > Bill A. > --- Shane Weier wrote: > > Bill says: > > > > > Does anyone think it would be with in reason to > > take > > > that kit, thin the wings and then redo the rib > > > detail??? This would be my first attempt at such > > an > > > endevour. > > > I am sure the cockpit could use some scratch > > building > > > too. > > > Any opions on such a project? > > > > Mmmm. Some definitions > > > > Scratch building - Starting with *no* kit and making > > a model of a > > plane/tank/truck/whatever > > > > Detailing - starting with a kit and replacing or > > improving parts and adding > > bits to make a better plane/tank/truck/whatever than > > the kit alone allows > > > > You had me giggling. Saying the Aifix DH-4 is a good > > start for a > > scratchbuild means (to many of us anyway) that it > > ought to be tossed aside > > and replaced entirely. > > > > Which IMO isn't right. It's a fair enough starting > > point for a detailing > > project, and I used its wings as raw material for a > > variety of otherwise > > scratchbuilds and conversions too many years ago > > > > Shane > > > > (the exiled - archive crawling and sneaking an > > email) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > The information contained in this e-mail is > > confidential and is > > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > > distribution or > > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > > requested to > > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > > the > > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > > > For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 > > Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > > Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 > > International ++61 7 38338042 > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:36:35 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up Message-ID: <00a801c1e6ee$d372b700$d07032d2@default> Its okay Diego, they probably deserved it anyway. (just think of the masterpieces they were going to build :-)) AtB Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:27 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: IPMS DC famous six meet up > Boy how I hate that Witness Protection Program. Makes it all very > complicated and I usually end cutting someone's elses fingers. Bummer. I'll > keep trying! > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:45:48 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Jig Question Message-ID: <00b001c1e6f0$1ce51800$d07032d2@default> Hi All; I'm up to putting the wings on my Sop Triplane after a three month hiatus of not doing any modelling. I'm going to cut a "slot" sort of jig to hold the wings in place - /= sort of thing. What I was wondering was, do Listees line (trace) these sort of jigs up against the Datafile for wing stagger etc.? All the Best Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:55:25 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Jig Question Message-ID: <052e01c1e6f1$74532f40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Neil I still have to build a sopwith triplane (the revell fokker triplane has a much better wing placement design than the revell sopwith tripe) but what I would do is to make a triangle with the stagger angle in cardboard or styrene and check the alignment as I glue the wings. I'd put the lower and uppermost first and later deal with the mid-ones once the others are firmly set. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: NEIL EDDY To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: [WWI] Jig Question > Hi All; > > I'm up to putting the wings on my Sop Triplane after a three month hiatus of > not doing any modelling. > > I'm going to cut a "slot" sort of jig to hold the wings in place - /= sort > of thing. What I was wondering was, do Listees line (trace) these sort of > jigs up against the Datafile for wing stagger etc.? > > All the Best > > Neil E > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:10:12 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: RE: Jig Question Message-ID: <00de01c1e6f3$857eb6c0$d07032d2@default> Thanks Diego; The triangle idea sounds good, however, I will ahve to do the middle wing first as the struts on the Eduard pass through the middle wing.... All the Best Neil E (who had to spend an hour thinking tonight trying to remember just where he was up to on this build...its been so long and my memory is so shot... :-) NL: Mozart Flute Concerto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:56 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Jig Question > Hi Neil > I still have to build a sopwith triplane (the revell fokker triplane has a > much better wing placement design than the revell sopwith tripe) but what I > would do is to make a triangle with the stagger angle in cardboard or > styrene and check the alignment as I glue the wings. I'd put the lower and > uppermost first and later deal with the mid-ones once the others are firmly > set. > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NEIL EDDY > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:48 PM > Subject: [WWI] Jig Question > > > > Hi All; > > > > I'm up to putting the wings on my Sop Triplane after a three month hiatus > of > > not doing any modelling. > > > > I'm going to cut a "slot" sort of jig to hold the wings in place - /= > sort > > of thing. What I was wondering was, do Listees line (trace) these sort of > > jigs up against the Datafile for wing stagger etc.? > > > > All the Best > > > > Neil E > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:24:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Jig Question Message-ID: <05b601c1e6f5$c60e81a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Neil Ace, are the lower wings fixed? That is, joined by a section of the lower fuselage? Or are to be butt-joined separately? If they're already fixed, that's what will determine the stagger. I'll glue the top wing with the model upside down and something piled up under the rear fuselage to determine the proper angle of incidence. Use epoxi or other slow drying glue. How did you do to determine the intersection of the rigging wires with the mid-wing? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: NEIL EDDY To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Jig Question > Thanks Diego; The triangle idea sounds good, however, I will ahve to do the > middle wing first as the struts on the Eduard pass through the middle > wing.... > > All the Best > > Neil E > (who had to spend an hour thinking tonight trying to remember just where he > was up to on this build...its been so long and my memory is so shot... :-) > > NL: Mozart Flute Concerto > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diego Fernetti" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:56 AM > Subject: [WWI] RE: Jig Question > > > > Hi Neil > > I still have to build a sopwith triplane (the revell fokker triplane has a > > much better wing placement design than the revell sopwith tripe) but what > I > > would do is to make a triangle with the stagger angle in cardboard or > > styrene and check the alignment as I glue the wings. I'd put the lower and > > uppermost first and later deal with the mid-ones once the others are > firmly > > set. > > D. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: NEIL EDDY > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:48 PM > > Subject: [WWI] Jig Question > > > > > > > Hi All; > > > > > > I'm up to putting the wings on my Sop Triplane after a three month > hiatus > > of > > > not doing any modelling. > > > > > > I'm going to cut a "slot" sort of jig to hold the wings in place - /= > > sort > > > of thing. What I was wondering was, do Listees line (trace) these sort > of > > > jigs up against the Datafile for wing stagger etc.? > > > > > > All the Best > > > > > > Neil E > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:33:05 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: more on Jigs Message-ID: <05c301c1e6f6$b7919800$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Man this got me thinking. I use a wing jig similar to that describe by Lance on the WW1 website, that is, with a "shelf" supporting the upper wing suspended over the model. I modified it a little, using two 1cm wide supports paralell and level by a beam at the adjustable attachment points instead of the shelf. I'm thinking that this wouldn't be practical on the case of triplanes since the interwing gap wil be too small. Instead, I'd use a variation of the jig where the wings are supported not by the front, but by the wingtips by slots on side supports. A photo of such jig is on a FSM article last year or 2000. Regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: NEIL EDDY > Thanks Diego; The triangle idea sounds good, however, I will ahve to do the > middle wing first as the struts on the Eduard pass through the middle > wing.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:38:08 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: more on Jigs Message-ID: <060701c1e6f7$6c2725a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I wrote (I'm answering myself, I must be worsening): > A photo of such > jig is on a FSM article last year or 2000. I found the article scanned in this computer... it's about a scratchbuilt Vickers Gunbus. Whoever wants a copy just let me know offlist please. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:42:48 +1000 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: RE: Jig Question Message-ID: <00f601c1e6f8$134d5e80$d07032d2@default> Hi Diego; The wings are fixed to a section of the lower fuselage. I worked out the rigging by simple measurement. I measured a point between the two attachment points and drilled (after comparison with the Datafile, which though limited, is a help)..... However I have made this hole slightly oval shaped so that there is a margin for error (I hope). (This wont show when its finished as there is a leather painted decal reinforcement patch over the hole, as was common on the Triplane. I will be using a fine gauge electric guitar top E string for this part of the rigging as these double wires were thicker in diameter than the rest of the rigging. I think I've got this part right...but actually rigging it will show this or not. All the Best Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:27 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Jig Question > Hi Neil > Ace, are the lower wings fixed? That is, joined by a section of the lower > fuselage? Or are to be butt-joined separately? > If they're already fixed, that's what will determine the stagger. > I'll glue the top wing with the model upside down and something piled up > under the rear fuselage to determine the proper angle of incidence. Use > epoxi or other slow drying glue. > How did you do to determine the intersection of the rigging wires with the > mid-wing? > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NEIL EDDY > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:13 PM > Subject: [WWI] RE: Jig Question > > > > Thanks Diego; The triangle idea sounds good, however, I will ahve to do > the > > middle wing first as the struts on the Eduard pass through the middle > > wing.... > > > > All the Best > > > > Neil E > > (who had to spend an hour thinking tonight trying to remember just where > he > > was up to on this build...its been so long and my memory is so shot... :-) > > > > NL: Mozart Flute Concerto > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diego Fernetti" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:56 AM > > Subject: [WWI] RE: Jig Question > > > > > > > Hi Neil > > > I still have to build a sopwith triplane (the revell fokker triplane has > a > > > much better wing placement design than the revell sopwith tripe) but > what > > I > > > would do is to make a triangle with the stagger angle in cardboard or > > > styrene and check the alignment as I glue the wings. I'd put the lower > and > > > uppermost first and later deal with the mid-ones once the others are > > firmly > > > set. > > > D. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: NEIL EDDY > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:48 PM > > > Subject: [WWI] Jig Question > > > > > > > > > > Hi All; > > > > > > > > I'm up to putting the wings on my Sop Triplane after a three month > > hiatus > > > of > > > > not doing any modelling. > > > > > > > > I'm going to cut a "slot" sort of jig to hold the wings in place - /= > > > sort > > > > of thing. What I was wondering was, do Listees line (trace) these sort > > of > > > > jigs up against the Datafile for wing stagger etc.? > > > > > > > > All the Best > > > > > > > > Neil E > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4342 **********************