WWI Digest 4327 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Eduard art work... by "Ross Moorhouse" 2) from the Eduard newsletter by "Diego Fernetti" 3) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by "Michael Kendix" 4) Re: from the Eduard newsletter by Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz 5) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by Tom Gourdie 6) Re: Brush painting Tamiya??? by "Michael Kendix" 7) Re: from the Eduard newsletter by Jan Vihonen 8) Re: from the Eduard newsletter by "Michael Kendix" 9) Unsubbing for the weekend.. by "Ross Moorhouse" 10) Re: Unsubbing for the weekend.. by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 11) Re: 5 colour camouflage by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 12) Re: from the Eduard newsletter by tbittners@sprintmail.com 13) Re: Brush painting Re: Re: 5 colour camouflage by Larry Marshall 14) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by Larry Marshall 15) In the Wash. D.C. area by tbittners@sprintmail.com 16) Formation of RFC by Tom Gourdie 17) Re: New Member by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 18) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by "Brian Nicklas" 19) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by tbittners@sprintmail.com 20) Re: new rogues by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 21) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by "Michael Kendix" 22) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by tbittners@sprintmail.com 23) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by Allan Wright 24) Eduard site showing art work of Camels.. by "Fraser" 25) Brush painting Tamiya??? by "Fraser" 26) Re: Russian S.XVI kit by "Lance Krieg" 27) Russian Nieuports by REwing@aol.com 28) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by "Brian Nicklas" 29) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 30) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by "Michael Kendix" 31) Re: In the Wash. D.C. area by "Harris, Mack" 32) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by bill anthony ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:13:12 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Eduard art work... Message-ID: <003101c1e21b$6a854dc0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Seeing as the art work changes everytime you go to the site.. Here are the links to some of the up and comming box art work.. http://www.eduard.cz/.//images/main_screen/main_aircraft13.jpg http://www.eduard.cz/.//images/main_screen/main_aircraft14.jpg http://www.eduard.cz/.//images/main_screen/main_aircraft52.jpg Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:31:40 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: from the Eduard newsletter Message-ID: <02be01c1e21d$ff493000$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> "The Fokker E.IV will be released in May, together with a re-designed 1/48th scale Nieuport 17 " WHAT? Another E.IV??? Too bad I was hoping for an E.III. Back to the Revell! And the Nieuport in 1/48... another one. When a new 1/72? D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:43:25 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: >From: Tom Gourdie >The next thing I knew was the nozzle on the can split and in a couple >of >seconds I had a royal blue splattered front door a pebble-dashed >cream >wall and a light blue carpet with an interesting new pattern >imposed on >it. Can't believe you really tried this in your front hall! I have used spray cans but taken them OUTSIDE and even then, the fumes are bad. Indorrs with spray cans, how can you have any control over what's going on? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:43:48 +0200 From: Lubos.Vinar@deltax.cz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: from the Eduard newsletter Message-ID: >> Odpovězte prosím - wwi@wwi-models.org Odesláno kým: wwi@wwi-models.org Od: "Diego Fernetti" @wwi-models.org 12.04.2002 14:33:23 Komu: Multiple recipients of list Kopie: Předmět: [WWI] from the Eduard newsletter "The Fokker E.IV will be released in May, together with a re-designed 1/48th scale Nieuport 17 " WHAT? Another E.IV??? Too bad I was hoping for an E.III. Back to the Revell! << Not so. 1/72 E.III will be next. And I believe Eduard's E.IV will be more better then MAC/HR models or ICM Fokkerpfalz >> And the Nieuport in 1/48... another one. When a new 1/72? D. << Because Ni-17 is one of the most selled Eduards kits. They redesigning this kit because moulds are damaged/worn out. This is like redesigned Albatros D.V. New moulds aren't a lot better, but they are NEW. LVi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:56:19 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: The point is exactly that Michael. I DIDN'T have any control of the process and, as a result, I'm now very wary of pressurised cans, compressed air etc etc!! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix [mailto:mkendix@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 April 2002 13:46 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion >From: Tom Gourdie >The next thing I knew was the nozzle on the can split and in a couple >of >seconds I had a royal blue splattered front door a pebble-dashed >cream >wall and a light blue carpet with an interesting new pattern >imposed on >it. Can't believe you really tried this in your front hall! I have used spray cans but taken them OUTSIDE and even then, the fumes are bad. Indorrs with spray cans, how can you have any control over what's going on? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:59:52 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Brush painting Tamiya??? Message-ID: >From: "Diego Fernetti" >In days of yore I once went into a shopping spree and bought some >three or >four jars of Tamiya acrilics. The colours were great, but >there was no >hope of brushing them nor thinning them. Later I found >out that they're >designed only to be airbrushed and only to be thinned >with Tamiya acrilic >thinner. Diego: Same with me. I tried to mix my own PC-10 from Tamiya browns and greens, and brush paint in my pre-airbrush days. They made a mess -couldn't do anything with them. I stored them away. Fast forward to a couple of months ago. I bought a bottle of Tamiya Clear Yellow for the wood grain effect I did on the Albatros D.V. I also purchased Tamiya thinner and used it. I airbrushed it on and it was great! No clogging or anything, I was truly surprised. Tamiya paints smell different from other acrylics (Mister Kit, Testors/Model Master etc.) - and I suspect the carrying agent is some alcohol based thing but I'm uncertain. The other acrylics have a carrying agent that doesn't smell as noxious; my kids think soem of the acrylic paints smell like chocolate - which brings us back to famous "Issue number 6" - did the person in question believe he was drinking a chocolate milkshake? Michael Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:04:56 +0300 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: from the Eduard newsletter Message-ID: <3CB6DB78.3B616DF1@helsinki.fi> Lubos wrote: > Because Ni-17 is one of the most selled Eduards kits. They redesigning this > kit because moulds are damaged/worn out. This is like redesigned Albatros > D.V. New moulds aren't a lot better, but they are NEW. > I do wish that Eduard tried out how Nie. 17 would sell in 1/72 scale. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:03:01 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: from the Eduard newsletter Message-ID: >From: "Diego Fernetti" > >"The Fokker E.IV will be released in May, together with a re-designed > >1/48th scale Nieuport 17 " >WHAT? Another E.IV??? Too bad I was hoping for an E.III. Back to the > >Revell! And the Nieuport in 1/48... another one. When a new 1/72? Diego: Two points here: 1. It wouldn't be a disaster because the E.IV MAC kit is mediocre. The Revell kit is OK but it's time has come and gone. 2. It's probably a typo. The Great Models site lists it as an E.III It shows a box art picture and I think the aeroplane has "III" printed on its fuselage. Hannants also lists it as an E.III. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:04:06 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Unsubbing for the weekend.. Message-ID: <005701c1e222$875a6be0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> At the crack of dawn tomorrow and mate and I are driving down to Canberra for the weekend. We are going to the Australian War Memorial. The only thing I dont like about the whole thing is that I dont have a camera that can take good pics. :( But i am looking foward to see the Albatros and also hope to see an old favorite G-George. I remember seeing her when I was a school boy. I just stood there awe struck by the size of her. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:12:11 +1000 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Unsubbing for the weekend.. Message-ID: <3CB6DD2B.DF9E9FA9@tac.com.au> Hi Ross, > At the crack of dawn tomorrow and mate and I are driving down to Canberra > for the weekend. We are going to the Australian War Memorial. The only thing > I dont like about the whole thing is that I dont have a camera that can take > good pics. :( That and missing out on an APMA meeting ;-) > But i am looking foward to see the Albatros and also hope to see an old > favorite G-George. I remember seeing her when I was a school boy. I just > stood there awe struck by the size of her. Ahh check the AWM website mate, you may be unlucky on both counts Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:22:29 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <02f601c1e225$1ac88220$0200a8c0@x.pl> > >Paasche H model has only three heads fine, medium, and, large. They have > >been issued numbers 1, 3, and 5. > > Sounds like that famed German logic..... > N Sounds like famous British cockade colours proportions... G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: from the Eduard newsletter Message-ID: <20020412132253.E358246917@eclipse.qis.net> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:04:53 -0400 (EDT), Michael Kendix wrote: >2. It's probably a typo. The Great Models site lists it as an E.III It >shows a box art picture and I think the aeroplane has "III" printed on its >fuselage. Hannants also lists it as an E.III. Actually it's not a typo. Eduard has announced both the E.III *and* E.IV; for some reason they've decided to release the E.IV first. And I agree with all. A 1/72nd Nie.17 from Eduard would be awesome. Just think if they would have had the foresight to release it awhile ago. As it is, even if they do release one in 1/72nd, they'll have to compete (assuming they come out) with the Eastern Express offerings. Poor planning on Eduard's part, me thinks. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:31:07 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Brush painting Re: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <20020412133058.DSII12118.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> On Friday 12 April 2002 02:42 am, you wrote: > >Larry Marshall wrote > > It takes too much time & space - I can't have a dedicated model > room, to ensure health and safety spray outdoors - in Scotland there are about three months in the year you can do that !! > > Sounds like a tourism ad to me..... always rains when I go there! > Must admit that as spam goes, it is VERY subtle! :) I did not say this and have never been to Scotland. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:44:01 -0400 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: <20020412134352.MHWP21410.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > and saying the main reason for brush painting is that real men (and > Dames) don't use an airbrush! They don't even own one! I "knew" it was a manly thing :-) I haven't been a man since I gave up my role as Superman so I bought airbrushes with the money I got for that funny suit I used to wear. > an artist). The entire first chapter was taken up with the hazards > of airbrushing - the author had an artist friend who died from > continuing ill health put down to airbrushing over a prolonged > period without adequate precautions and he himself suffered from ...I really get a kick out of the depiction people give of model use of airbrushes. You get this impression that there are huge clouds of solvents and pigment hanging in the air. By contrast, and as someone pointed out, when I airbrush something I open a newspaper on the table, stick something behind part of it so it will create a shallow background to spray towards and I spray. There is no overspray, there is no cloud of solvents. Now...when I'm painting a 1/5 scale model things are different and I don't do it on the kitchen table. But all this 'you're gonna die' routine seems a bit extreme when we're talking about models with 6" spans or less. > all types of lung problems and infections until he started taking > proper precautions (which seemed to involve a LOT of stuff). As I Real men don't worry about such things :-) I breathe more second hand smoke and car exhaust every day than I have breathed solvents during my entire lifetime spraying plastic models. > worked fine. So now I see no point getting an airbrush. WWI planes > were mainly hand painted, so there are no complex sprayed schemes While true...I don't think this is an argument, one way or the other, for brush painting. WWI airplanes were covered with cloth too but I don't see many people advocating we should be doing that with a 1/72nd scale model and the reasons are obvious. Somethings, including brushstrokes, don't scale very well. > compressors, CO2 or whatever just astounds me. It all seems so > complicated. And there's there's all that bloody cleaning. I only "Seems" doesn't mean it is :-) "Bloody cleaning" of my Aztec brush means dropping the nozzle in a bottle of thinner and shaking it. It takes almost no time. Now, when I use a paintbrush, I spend minutes at the sink washing them with soapy water, following them up with a prep for storage. It takes far more time than my airbrush. > modelling room is also my study and I cannot have it full of paint > fumes, compressors, CO2 cylinders, spray booths, acid baths, oxygen > tents and whatever else is needed for a $45 airbrush! But of course > YMMV :-) The storage requirements are significant. I do think some folks overstate the complexity, hazard, cleanup issues though. > joking about airbrushes being the work of the devil. But as we say > on the list "dicta ira" - do whatever works for you and make sure > you have fun! BTW all my models in the gallery are brush painted, Absolutely. I still like the best reason to brush-paint. "I like the feel." Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: <20020412135036.8AA1246918@eclipse.qis.net> Looks like I'll be in the Washington D.C. area next week, from the 15th to at least the 18th (my meeting is actually in Falls Church). Definitely would like to meet up with fellow listees in the area. Maybe even hook up with Brian Nicklas for a NASM tour. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:01:25 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Formation of RFC Message-ID: Was it not on 12 April 1912, ie 90 years ago today, that the formal order creating the Royal Flying Corps was effected? I always had a vague connection with it being a few days before the Titanic fiasco. 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If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:07:18 +0200 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <16w1hu-15gmQLC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Hi Ron, fine work your paper planes! Greetings Andreas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:12:13 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: Looks like I'll be in the Washington D.C. area next week, from the 15th to at least the 18th (my meeting is actually in Falls Church). Definitely would like to meet up with fellow listees in the area. Maybe even hook up with Brian Nicklas for a NASM tour. Matt Bittner Matt, I don't think you are allowed in the building... Brian Actually, if any DC folks would like to gather at NASM for "lunch with Matt", lets work up a time and date. Monday or Tuesday would work for me, Monday being best. - Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: <20020412143148.EC1D64681D@eclipse.qis.net> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:26:49 -0400 (EDT), Brian Nicklas wrote: >I don't think you are allowed in the building... Must be that anti-French bias again. ;-) >Actually, if any DC folks would like to gather at NASM for "lunch with >Matt", lets work up a time and date. >Monday or Tuesday would work for me, Monday being best. Not sure what time I'll be arriving Monday, and unsure of my "meeting" schedule, so I can't say exactly what will be good for me. Probably easier at night, but we shall see. Matt Bittner p.s. I would love to see the Shturmovik... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:46:27 -0400 From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: new rogues Message-ID: <5FF99431.10D1FBFE.138E644A@aol.com> In a message dated Fri, 12 Apr 2002  8:11:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Diego Fernetti" writes: > It's specially striking Marcio's attire, that makes him >look "jamesbondesque". A little touch of class in this >rabble! I resent that! Rabble, indeed! I would send my photo in but the gallery is already well-represented with hair-challenged, portly, mature types that add a conservative tone to the list. :-) Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:54:32 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: >From: tbittners@sprintmail.com >p.s. I would love to see the Shturmovik... ;-) I think you're getting mixed up between the NASM in downtown DC and the Garber facility in Silver Hill, Maryland. I saw it at the Garber facility in Silver Hill, Maryland - actually, only the fuselage. I think it is in pieces or being rennovated ready for the new museum at Dulles, Virginia. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: <20020412150337.AE1AA4681D@eclipse.qis.net> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:57:17 -0400 (EDT), Michael Kendix wrote: >I think you're getting mixed up between the NASM in downtown DC and the >Garber facility in Silver Hill, Maryland. > >I saw it at the Garber facility in Silver Hill, Maryland - actually, only >the fuselage. I think it is in pieces or being rennovated ready for the new >museum at Dulles, Virginia. Bummer. I guess it's easy getting mixed up when you're not from the area. ;-) Oh well. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:07:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: <200204121507.LAA42832@mustang.sr.unh.edu> I was in DC for a weekend, and the Garber facility is a $25 cab ride from the DC National Airport area. Well worth the money too. The Garber will be closed to the public once the new restoration facility opens up at Regan airport, which means we lose access to all the neat 'schtuff' in the storage facilities. Al > > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:57:17 -0400 (EDT), Michael Kendix wrote: > > >I think you're getting mixed up between the NASM in downtown DC and the > >Garber facility in Silver Hill, Maryland. > > > >I saw it at the Garber facility in Silver Hill, Maryland - actually, only > >the fuselage. I think it is in pieces or being rennovated ready for the new > >museum at Dulles, Virginia. > > Bummer. I guess it's easy getting mixed up when you're not from the area. ;-) > > Oh well. > > > Matt Bittner > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:07:11 +0200 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Eduard site showing art work of Camels.. Message-ID: <001801c1e235$2b6d4510$987914d4@pc145681> Hi AND in the latest copy of S.A.M.I. It's listed with an actual catalogue number.... I'm still not going to hold my breath, though. Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:16:38 +0200 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Brush painting Tamiya??? Message-ID: <001901c1e235$2c3ca300$987914d4@pc145681> Tom, Tamiya's rather pricey thinners is, or at least smells like Isopropyl alcohol, which works fine if you're airbrushing the stuff. Trust me, I know alcohol..... ::~)) The purveyor of Citadel stuff here in Prague is a shop called OGRI...If your a Brit and a biker you'll probably find that as amusing as I did (I hope, maybe it's just me...gulp) Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:28:33 -0500 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Russian S.XVI kit Message-ID: Steve is the latest to drool on that Master Club Sikorsky, and especially those wheels. Have any of you dink scalers tried this kit? I wonder how those wheels would look in 1/72? And Steve, did you get a syringe in yours? I was so afraid I'd stick myself with a strange Russian syringe I marched it straight out of the house and into the garbage! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:25:27 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Russian Nieuports Message-ID: <18d.655db9b.29e85667@aol.com> --part1_18d.655db9b.29e85667_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the Eduard Nieuport 21 and was thinking about doing it up as an all gray Russian version. Eduard gives mixes for the gray using Tamiya, Humbrol, Testors, and Gunze, which I have access to. Problem is, I hate mixing up paint and thought there might be someone out there who can recommend an off-the-shelf color that will be close enough or even better than Eduard's recommended color. Any suggestions? I also have access to Polly Scale and Ceramcoat if that will help. TIA, -Rick- List Librarian --part1_18d.655db9b.29e85667_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
   I have the Eduard Nieuport 21 and was thinking about doing it up as an all gray
Russian version.  Eduard gives mixes for the gray using Tamiya, Humbrol, Testors, and Gunze, which I have access to.  Problem is, I hate mixing up paint and thought there might be someone out there who can recommend an off-the-shelf color that will be close enough or even better than Eduard's recommended color.
      Any suggestions?  I also have access to Polly Scale and Ceramcoat if that will help.
     TIA,

-Rick-
List Librarian

--part1_18d.655db9b.29e85667_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:26:47 -0400 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: The NASM Udvar-Hazy Center is at Dulles IAP in Virginia, not at National Airport (pls don't use that "other" name). Everything at Garber will be displayed at Dulles. Just with the wings on and the birdie poo cleaned off. All in all, it will be much nicer for all of us. And to think, the Caudron G.4 will be all together, rigged and clean! With the Halberstadt Cl.IV right nearby! Ohh Ohh Can't wait...!! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:48:46 +0100 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: <1018626526.3cb701deb6818@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Brian Nicklas : > Actually, if any DC folks would like to gather at NASM for "lunch with > Matt", lets work up a time and date. > Monday or Tuesday would work for me, Monday being best. > - Brian > Photos ! We want photos !! David Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:02:43 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: Great. But let's hope they get some form of bona fide public transport like a Metro line link/extension out there. Else visitors will be few and far between. Remember, we are nuts about aeroplanes but most people are normal and won't endure a taxi and the Dulles Toll Road just to get to one museum from downtown DC. I'm assuming that you won't be allowed to access it via the Dulles Access Road, which is now currently reserved for airport traffic? Michael >From: "Brian Nicklas" > >The NASM Udvar-Hazy Center is at Dulles IAP in Virginia, not at National >Airport (pls don't use that "other" name). >Everything at Garber will be displayed at Dulles. Just with the wings on >and the birdie poo cleaned off. All in all, it will be much nicer for all >of us. And to think, the Caudron G.4 will be all together, rigged and >clean! With the Halberstadt Cl.IV right nearby! Ohh Ohh Can't wait...!! >Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:16:35 -0500 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: In the Wash. D.C. area Message-ID: The NASM Udvar-Hazy Center is at Dulles IAP in Virginia, not at National Airport (pls don't use that "other" name). (snip) "other" name? Nah, I'll let it pass in the spirit of bipartisanship. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: bill anthony To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: <20020412163939.57342.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, I am pretty much speaking as a novice, but I would not let your few times trying to spray paint deter you from trying again. Basically I live in a small apartment my self and have to spray on the kitchen table. (Newspaper is always put down first). Anyway, my first attempts were at airbrushing were a nightmare. But then that is when I realized that I needed a good quality airbrush and a good constant source of air supply. Hence I ended up getting the Aztek 470 ($70 USD) and a good small compressor ($80 USD). It was money well spent. First off using the airbrush has contained a learning curve. But after some experience I know how to use it properly and all the ins and outs of the brushes componets. For example I have learned how to better deal with the dilluting the paint. How to take my nozzeles apart for a real cleaning, and how to make sure I wipe the nozzle with thinner if it starts to spit. (not to mention testing the spray before applying to the model.) To be honest, yes it is a pain in the BUTT, yet I feel it is still worth it. As for the health concerns, I work in the chemical industry and was a little concerned too. (that is why I posted the question to get advice from others). Basically I only plan on using non hazordous acrylics (with maybe and occasional exception) thinned with isopryopyl rubbing alchol and am considering the respirator mask mentioned by Michael. As far as I see it, probably the most dangerous substance I am spraying is Future floor wax. But the Aztek and the compressor give only a small spray which does not travel very far. Plus as far as I see, all particles that do not hit the plane will coat the newspaper I am using and an open window will help disapate the solvents. On second thought, if you can get a comparable coat with brushes, I say go for it!!! The fruit on our kitchen table looks like Jasta 11. :) Bill A. --- Tom Gourdie wrote: > This is a very eloquent description of my reasons > for not using an airbrush > which I tried to express - much less elegantly - in > my message yesterday. > > The comment about most UK houses not being geared up > for this sort of > activity is also very pertinent. When I took up > modelling again after a > long break in 1998 I built a Testor Supermarine S6B > (before I got committed > fully to OT) and elected to use a can of Humbrol > spray dark blue gloss to > paint the model. I put up sheets of cardboard in my > small front hall in the > hope that this would protect the wall, floor etc. > The next thing I knew was > the nozzle on the can split and in a couple of > seconds I had a royal blue > splattered front door a pebble-dashed cream wall and > a light blue carpet > with an interesting new pattern imposed on it. > > The domestic fallout was catastrophic and so, apart > from all the other > considerations (health, time-consuming cleaning > etc), my life and welfare is > more important than the alleged benefits of > mechanically-propelled paint. > My hobby is seen as a healthy pursuit but I am > periodically reminded of the > day a can of paint decimated the domestic decor....! > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Rayner [mailto:nigel@rosnar.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 12 April 2002 08:55 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes > discussion > > > Hi gang, > > I spent a while last night after returning from a > business trip posting an > explanation of my fixation with brush painting as I > found the whole > airbrush/brush discussion interesting. But when I > got the digest this > morning, it wasn't there, although a message sent > later last night was - my > ISP obviously likes airbrushes! So I'm resending > this - apologies if you're > not in digest mode and it has already come through > to you. > > Cheers, > > Nigel R > > Original message:--------------- > > As part of an interesting debate, Larry wrote: > >I guess I should finish with - "I'm not trying to > start a fight here. > > I'm just genuinely interested in why some people > are brush-painting > >entire models in 2002." > > I don't believe it! I've been away on a long trip > and am just catching up > with the digests and what do I find? A long and > interesting discussion on > the merits (or otherwise) of brush painting. And I > missed it - Larry (hi > Larry, welcome) summed up neatly some of the pros > and cons. But that won't > stop me jumping in and saying the main reason for > brush painting is that > real men (and Dames) don't use an airbrush! They > don't even own one! > > Of course I'm joking, but there are reasons behind > my gross exaggeration. I > started modelling as a kid and lusted after an > airbrush but could never > afford one. So brushes it was, even tho' I made > 10thingies and tankie things > that really needed an airbrush for German camo. I > then gave up making > aircraft models for many years, although I kept on > figure painting (mainly > thousands of wargame figures). So when I returned to > making aircraft models > about four years ago (courtesy of this great list), > I decided to get an > airbrush, as I was considerably more affluent than > in my formative years. So > I bought a book on airbrushing (a proper one by an > artist). The entire first > chapter was taken up with the hazards of airbrushing > - the author had an > artist friend who died from continuing ill health > put down to airbrushing > over a prolonged period without adequate precautions > and he himself suffered > from all types of lung problems and infections until > he started taking > proper precautions (which seemed to involve a LOT of > stuff). As I had a two > year old kid at the time, this really put me off. So > I didn't bother with > the airbrush, I just used brushes instead and it > worked fine. So now I see > no point getting an airbrush. WWI planes were mainly > hand painted, so there > are no complex sprayed schemes as in WWII (where I > agree you probably need > an airbrush), and where there are sprayed camo > schemes the feathered edges > can easily be achieved with drybrushing. > > But health hazards aside, what I really can't > believe about airbrushes is > the sheer complexity of the things and the amount of > time involved in > setting up a session, getting everything working and > cleaning them. The > amount of traffic we see about using compressors, > CO2 or whatever just > astounds me. It all seems so complicated. And > there's there's all that > bloody cleaning. I only get about 3 to 4 hours a > week to model (if I'm > lucky), so the amount of time taken with an airbrush > would take all the fun > out of the hobby for me. And you have to have a > special room or area to do > it in. In the UK we have small houses with no > basements, so my modelling > room is also my study and I cannot have it full of > paint fumes, compressors, > CO2 cylinders, spray booths, acid baths, oxygen > tents and whatever else is > needed for a $45 airbrush! But of course YMMV :-) > > Sorry for coming to this late but I had to comment > as I'm always joking > about airbrushes being the work of the devil. But as > we say on the list > "dicta ira" - do whatever works for you and make > sure you have fun! BTW all > my models in the gallery are brush painted, > inlcuding the 1/48 Nie 17 in > aluminium dope. Now there's "manly" modelling for > you! > > Cheers, > > Nigel R > > > This message is confidential. If you are not the > intended recipient please > notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use > this message for any > purpose or disclose its contents to any other person > or take any action > based on them. > > E-Mails are susceptible to interference. 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