WWI Digest 4326 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: proper prop joints by knuterha@eunet.no 2) Re: Russian S.XVI kit by Todd Hayes 3) Re: Russian S.XVI kit by "Steven Perry" 4) Re: Russian S.XVI kit by "Steven Perry" 5) Re: Russian S.XVI kit by Peter Fedders 6) Ogre or cockroach? by "Bill & Kaja Michaels" 7) Re: Acrylics by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 8) Re: Brush painting Re: Re: 5 colour camouflage by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 9) Re: Airbrushing question by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 10) Re:Gotha by "Robert Baumgartner" 11) Re: Russian S.XVI kit by Todd Hayes 12) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by "Nigel Rayner" 13) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by Tom Gourdie 14) Attn Bruce Simard by "Bob Pearson" 15) Subject: New stuff & Brush painting Tamiya??? by "Fraser" 16) RE: Subject: New stuff & Brush painting Tamiya??? by Tom Gourdie 17) Brush painting Tamiya??? by "Diego Fernetti" 18) Re: Subject: New stuff & Brush painting Tamiya??? by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 19) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by "Diego Fernetti" 20) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by Tom Gourdie 21) RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: Airbrushing question by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Re: Roden news by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 24) turmoil by "Diego Fernetti" 25) Eduard site showing art work of Camels.. by "Ross Moorhouse" 26) Odp: Re: Toko SSW D.III by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 27) new rogues by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:02:54 +0200 (CEST) From: knuterha@eunet.no To: Subject: Re: proper prop joints Message-ID: <2462.193.214.111.226.1018573374.squirrel@webmail.kpnqwest.no> Hei, I think there was more than one way of making 4-blade propellers. Some did even appears to be 2x ordinary two-bladed ones bolted on top of eachother. The RR Eagle powered Dornier Wals of Roald Amundsen had such, there are pictures of them dismantled for transport and assembled as a four- bladed one. Since that was a push-pull arangement - it should prove that this goes for both tractor and pusher propellers. Interesting to compare Volkers pictures with the ones I took in London, this list covers most of the world and is a great resource. Eders Knut Erik > On the prop I see 2 lines that look like joints near the hub. It looks > as if the 2 pairs of blades were made separately an dthen joined. > I thought that 4-blade props were made by cross-lapping each > lamination > layer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian S.XVI kit Message-ID: <20020412011245.85226.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> I saw that price increase. The wheeled version was $65, now it's $78, and there would be a $1 handling fee per kit, plus $15 postage. About the Voisin, I finally had someone say they could get them, and then confessed that the kit hadn't even made it past the Master stage. They told me it would cost them about another $6000 to finish the master. To quote Lance, "... we'll be old and grey by the time we see it." Todd Todd --- CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > Steve, > > Try: http://www.aviapress.com > > Click on Model Kits, then Master Club, the S16 is > MCL-003. Looks like the price is now even higher > than when I got the kit. They also list the 1/48 > Voisin LAS by special order but I have never heard > of anyone being able to get it. > > Good luck. > > Mike Kavanaugh > > In a message dated Thu, 11 Apr 2002  7:18:55 PM > Eastern Daylight Time, "Steven Perry" > writes: > > >Whats the name of the Russian outfit that makes > those exquisite S.XVI kits > >with the spoked wheels? > > > >Is there a URL for the Mfg or distributor? > > > >TIA > >sp > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:18:33 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Russian S.XVI kit Message-ID: <005701c1e1bf$f71a8cc0$8a301c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Try: http://www.aviapress.com Thanks Mike. I got the S.XVI in the mail today. The resin is the finest I have ever seen, no offence to Eric or Cyg, but these pieces are even a notch above their World Class castings and thats saying something. The wheels have no equal and I have no adequate words, they must be seen to be believed. I noticed the price increase. I got my kit for 70 including shipping through Barry Berman I don't know if he is still able to get them at this price, but can ask if there is any interest. Still have to add rigging to my weekend slammer M.1c, but as soon as that is done I am going to want to dive into this kit. The "Build Me" in a heavy Russian accent coming from the box is deafening and very persuasive ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:19:54 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Russian S.XVI kit Message-ID: <005d01c1e1c0$26cca200$8a301c18@tampabay.rr.com> > "... we'll be old and grey by the time we see it." Just checked the mirror. Where's the kit ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:25:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Fedders To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian S.XVI kit Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Todd Hayes wrote: AJP does make a 1/48 Voisin LAS3 - usual brass sheet peter x > I saw that price increase. The wheeled version was > $65, now it's $78, and there would be a $1 handling > fee per kit, plus $15 postage. About the Voisin, I > finally had someone say they could get them, and then > confessed that the kit hadn't even made it past the > Master stage. They told me it would cost them about > another $6000 to finish the master. To quote Lance, > "... we'll be old and grey by the time we see it." > > Todd > > Todd > --- CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > > Steve, > > > > Try: http://www.aviapress.com > > > > Click on Model Kits, then Master Club, the S16 is > > MCL-003. Looks like the price is now even higher > > than when I got the kit. They also list the 1/48 > > Voisin LAS by special order but I have never heard > > of anyone being able to get it. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Mike Kavanaugh > > > > In a message dated Thu, 11 Apr 2002  7:18:55 PM > > Eastern Daylight Time, "Steven Perry" > > writes: > > > > >Whats the name of the Russian outfit that makes > > those exquisite S.XVI kits > > >with the spoked wheels? > > > > > >Is there a URL for the Mfg or distributor? > > > > > >TIA > > >sp > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:43:05 -0400 From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Ogre or cockroach? Message-ID: <3CB61179.6249.92E925@localhost> The problem with painting cockroach is finding a clamp to hold 'em without crushing them! (Imagine a cockroach in 5 color camo!) > -Bill > Matt Bittner > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:49:00 -0300 > From: "Diego Fernetti" > To: > > "Ogre" is much greener than "Troll's" (must be related to some moisture > content there) but I like "Cockroach" better as it has a nicer sheen! ;-) > D. Bill and Kaja Michaels ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:34:20 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Acrylics Message-ID: This is a really good primer (?) on the use of acrylics, but I think we should be told the gory details only hinted at in Number Six... N >6. Do NOT drink from the water you use to clean your brushes. Just trust me >on this one ok? -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:38:35 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Brush painting Re: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: >Larry Marshall wrote It takes too much time & space - I can't have a dedicated model room, >to ensure health and safety spray outdoors - in Scotland there are >about three months in the year you can do that !! Sounds like a tourism ad to me..... always rains when I go there! Must admit that as spam goes, it is VERY subtle! :) N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:49:04 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Airbrushing question Message-ID: As mentioned here, a simple mask simply filters out particles. This is all very well, but it is the organic solvents that can really do the damage to your liver etc. in the long run, and they simply pass straight through. On the other hand, more expensive masks have interchangeable filters, some for dust, some for dust AND vapours. These preclude particles AND solvent fumes, and work surprisingly well. I find a set of filters lasts several months, you know when they have stopped working, you can smell solvent with the mask on. I wholeheartedly recommend that course of action. N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:02:29 +1000 From: "Robert Baumgartner" To: Subject: Re:Gotha Message-ID: <01aa01c1e1df$f67f9ec0$4f00080a@rbaum> Brent whets our appetite with: > After having the kit for nearly a year I am > closing in on completing the fuselage. So far the job makes me think of what > Lance's earlier efforts must have looked like. Thanks for the update. Can't wait to see the pics! Maybe some before the fuselage halves are joined? I'm cheating on the CSM Gotha by doing the Roden one first with the PART p-e set. That allows me to get a good idea of what goes where and what extra internals need to added for even more detail. That and I'm too chicken to start Erics masterpiece. Rob B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian S.XVI kit Message-ID: <20020412074454.25981.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> The guy who did the MC Sikorskii didn't miss a thing, hardly. The best word I've found to describe the wheels is 'exquisite'. That still falls short. Todd --- Steven Perry wrote: > > Try: http://www.aviapress.com > > Thanks Mike. > > I got the S.XVI in the mail today. The resin is the > finest I have ever seen, > no offence to Eric or Cyg, but these pieces are even > a notch above their > World Class castings and thats saying something. The > wheels have no equal > and I have no adequate words, they must be seen to > be believed. > > I noticed the price increase. I got my kit for 70 > including shipping through > Barry Berman I don't know if he is still able to get > them at this price, but > can ask if there is any interest. > > Still have to add rigging to my weekend slammer > M.1c, but as soon as that is > done I am going to want to dive into this kit. The > "Build Me" in a heavy > Russian accent coming from the box is deafening and > very persuasive ;-) > sp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:55:03 +0100 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: <000001c1e1f7$5a988040$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi gang, I spent a while last night after returning from a business trip posting an explanation of my fixation with brush painting as I found the whole airbrush/brush discussion interesting. But when I got the digest this morning, it wasn't there, although a message sent later last night was - my ISP obviously likes airbrushes! So I'm resending this - apologies if you're not in digest mode and it has already come through to you. Cheers, Nigel R Original message:--------------- As part of an interesting debate, Larry wrote: >I guess I should finish with - "I'm not trying to start a fight here. > I'm just genuinely interested in why some people are brush-painting >entire models in 2002." I don't believe it! I've been away on a long trip and am just catching up with the digests and what do I find? A long and interesting discussion on the merits (or otherwise) of brush painting. And I missed it - Larry (hi Larry, welcome) summed up neatly some of the pros and cons. But that won't stop me jumping in and saying the main reason for brush painting is that real men (and Dames) don't use an airbrush! They don't even own one! Of course I'm joking, but there are reasons behind my gross exaggeration. I started modelling as a kid and lusted after an airbrush but could never afford one. So brushes it was, even tho' I made 10thingies and tankie things that really needed an airbrush for German camo. I then gave up making aircraft models for many years, although I kept on figure painting (mainly thousands of wargame figures). So when I returned to making aircraft models about four years ago (courtesy of this great list), I decided to get an airbrush, as I was considerably more affluent than in my formative years. So I bought a book on airbrushing (a proper one by an artist). The entire first chapter was taken up with the hazards of airbrushing - the author had an artist friend who died from continuing ill health put down to airbrushing over a prolonged period without adequate precautions and he himself suffered from all types of lung problems and infections until he started taking proper precautions (which seemed to involve a LOT of stuff). As I had a two year old kid at the time, this really put me off. So I didn't bother with the airbrush, I just used brushes instead and it worked fine. So now I see no point getting an airbrush. WWI planes were mainly hand painted, so there are no complex sprayed schemes as in WWII (where I agree you probably need an airbrush), and where there are sprayed camo schemes the feathered edges can easily be achieved with drybrushing. But health hazards aside, what I really can't believe about airbrushes is the sheer complexity of the things and the amount of time involved in setting up a session, getting everything working and cleaning them. The amount of traffic we see about using compressors, CO2 or whatever just astounds me. It all seems so complicated. And there's there's all that bloody cleaning. I only get about 3 to 4 hours a week to model (if I'm lucky), so the amount of time taken with an airbrush would take all the fun out of the hobby for me. And you have to have a special room or area to do it in. In the UK we have small houses with no basements, so my modelling room is also my study and I cannot have it full of paint fumes, compressors, CO2 cylinders, spray booths, acid baths, oxygen tents and whatever else is needed for a $45 airbrush! But of course YMMV :-) Sorry for coming to this late but I had to comment as I'm always joking about airbrushes being the work of the devil. But as we say on the list "dicta ira" - do whatever works for you and make sure you have fun! BTW all my models in the gallery are brush painted, inlcuding the 1/48 Nie 17 in aluminium dope. Now there's "manly" modelling for you! Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:16:50 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: This is a very eloquent description of my reasons for not using an airbrush which I tried to express - much less elegantly - in my message yesterday. The comment about most UK houses not being geared up for this sort of activity is also very pertinent. When I took up modelling again after a long break in 1998 I built a Testor Supermarine S6B (before I got committed fully to OT) and elected to use a can of Humbrol spray dark blue gloss to paint the model. I put up sheets of cardboard in my small front hall in the hope that this would protect the wall, floor etc. The next thing I knew was the nozzle on the can split and in a couple of seconds I had a royal blue splattered front door a pebble-dashed cream wall and a light blue carpet with an interesting new pattern imposed on it. The domestic fallout was catastrophic and so, apart from all the other considerations (health, time-consuming cleaning etc), my life and welfare is more important than the alleged benefits of mechanically-propelled paint. My hobby is seen as a healthy pursuit but I am periodically reminded of the day a can of paint decimated the domestic decor....! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Rayner [mailto:nigel@rosnar.demon.co.uk] Sent: 12 April 2002 08:55 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Hi gang, I spent a while last night after returning from a business trip posting an explanation of my fixation with brush painting as I found the whole airbrush/brush discussion interesting. But when I got the digest this morning, it wasn't there, although a message sent later last night was - my ISP obviously likes airbrushes! So I'm resending this - apologies if you're not in digest mode and it has already come through to you. Cheers, Nigel R Original message:--------------- As part of an interesting debate, Larry wrote: >I guess I should finish with - "I'm not trying to start a fight here. > I'm just genuinely interested in why some people are brush-painting >entire models in 2002." I don't believe it! I've been away on a long trip and am just catching up with the digests and what do I find? A long and interesting discussion on the merits (or otherwise) of brush painting. And I missed it - Larry (hi Larry, welcome) summed up neatly some of the pros and cons. But that won't stop me jumping in and saying the main reason for brush painting is that real men (and Dames) don't use an airbrush! They don't even own one! Of course I'm joking, but there are reasons behind my gross exaggeration. I started modelling as a kid and lusted after an airbrush but could never afford one. So brushes it was, even tho' I made 10thingies and tankie things that really needed an airbrush for German camo. I then gave up making aircraft models for many years, although I kept on figure painting (mainly thousands of wargame figures). So when I returned to making aircraft models about four years ago (courtesy of this great list), I decided to get an airbrush, as I was considerably more affluent than in my formative years. So I bought a book on airbrushing (a proper one by an artist). The entire first chapter was taken up with the hazards of airbrushing - the author had an artist friend who died from continuing ill health put down to airbrushing over a prolonged period without adequate precautions and he himself suffered from all types of lung problems and infections until he started taking proper precautions (which seemed to involve a LOT of stuff). As I had a two year old kid at the time, this really put me off. So I didn't bother with the airbrush, I just used brushes instead and it worked fine. So now I see no point getting an airbrush. WWI planes were mainly hand painted, so there are no complex sprayed schemes as in WWII (where I agree you probably need an airbrush), and where there are sprayed camo schemes the feathered edges can easily be achieved with drybrushing. But health hazards aside, what I really can't believe about airbrushes is the sheer complexity of the things and the amount of time involved in setting up a session, getting everything working and cleaning them. The amount of traffic we see about using compressors, CO2 or whatever just astounds me. It all seems so complicated. And there's there's all that bloody cleaning. I only get about 3 to 4 hours a week to model (if I'm lucky), so the amount of time taken with an airbrush would take all the fun out of the hobby for me. And you have to have a special room or area to do it in. In the UK we have small houses with no basements, so my modelling room is also my study and I cannot have it full of paint fumes, compressors, CO2 cylinders, spray booths, acid baths, oxygen tents and whatever else is needed for a $45 airbrush! But of course YMMV :-) Sorry for coming to this late but I had to comment as I'm always joking about airbrushes being the work of the devil. But as we say on the list "dicta ira" - do whatever works for you and make sure you have fun! BTW all my models in the gallery are brush painted, inlcuding the 1/48 Nie 17 in aluminium dope. Now there's "manly" modelling for you! Cheers, Nigel R This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:24:28 -0700 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Attn Bruce Simard Message-ID: <101859995502@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> Bruce, All messages to you from all three of my accounts and also from others that friends have tried to forward messages to you are being returned as undeliverable. As you still seem to be able to get list messages I would suggest you try a hotmail or yahoo account so I can reply to your queries offlist. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:04:54 +0200 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Subject: New stuff & Brush painting Tamiya??? Message-ID: <000901c1e209$bd7e5240$b96914d4@pc145681> Nigel, Thanks for the compliment. All the chat about brush v airbrush (I use both, and having gimpy lungs use the best respiator I can and an open window...gets a bit parky, that) prompts me to ask: How the hell does anyone get a consistently decent brush finish with Tamiya Acrylics. The Pc whatever on my Camel was applied with a brush, on the basis that the bigger they are the easier to brush. I also noted that most Camels in the references I've got looked pretty streaky and some downright rough... So I brushed and soon learned that Tamiya resents it if you touch it a second time with your brush, lifting and crumbling...I nearly went spare... I just couldn't seem to smooth it out like I would do with enamel - I use Sables and a few mixed fibre brushes. I have the same problem with artists acrylics too... What do other users of Mssrs Tamiya's prods do? Maybe I should start using Citadel's absurdly named brews! Regards Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:27:30 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Subject: New stuff & Brush painting Tamiya??? Message-ID: Fraser When I extolled the virtues of Citadel (ignore the awful shade names!! - although I think 'Vomit Yellow' is a good match for Voss's cowl!)) the only thing I didn't mention is that they are fragile. Make sure you don't scratch the finish - it's not very durable - and get a coat of Future on as soon as possible. Once 'Futured' it's as robust as any other paint. I agree with your Tamiya comments. If you get a smooth coat first time round it's fine but if you mess with it its useless. I used some Tamiya Black on a 5-colour Hanriot HD1 and it came out OK but it was just too thick and not very conducive to brush painting. As a result I would never consider using Tamiya again. Do you not need a special Tamiya-produced thinner to use this paint? Tom -----Original Message----- From: Fraser [mailto:fraserinprague@volny.cz] Sent: 12 April 2002 11:08 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Subject: New stuff & Brush painting Tamiya??? Nigel, Thanks for the compliment. All the chat about brush v airbrush (I use both, and having gimpy lungs use the best respiator I can and an open window...gets a bit parky, that) prompts me to ask: How the hell does anyone get a consistently decent brush finish with Tamiya Acrylics. The Pc whatever on my Camel was applied with a brush, on the basis that the bigger they are the easier to brush. I also noted that most Camels in the references I've got looked pretty streaky and some downright rough... So I brushed and soon learned that Tamiya resents it if you touch it a second time with your brush, lifting and crumbling...I nearly went spare... I just couldn't seem to smooth it out like I would do with enamel - I use Sables and a few mixed fibre brushes. I have the same problem with artists acrylics too... What do other users of Mssrs Tamiya's prods do? Maybe I should start using Citadel's absurdly named brews! Regards Fraser This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:42:20 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Brush painting Tamiya??? Message-ID: <00e401c1e20e$b9f5d580$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey Fraser! > What do > other users of Mssrs Tamiya's prods do? Maybe I should start using Citadel's > absurdly named brews! In days of yore I once went into a shopping spree and bought some three or four jars of Tamiya acrilics. The colours were great, but there was no hope of brushing them nor thinning them. Later I found out that they're designed only to be airbrushed and only to be thinned with Tamiya acrilic thinner. I'll better try some "Leprechaun excrecence" or "Pixie P*ss" as indicated by other listees. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:43:03 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Subject: New stuff & Brush painting Tamiya??? Message-ID: Can't really speak for Tamiya Acrylics, other than agreeing about the problem of brushing it out. If you have a steady hand, a good brush, and faith, then brush on quickly and smoothly with as little overlap as possible, and it smooths out as it dries. As for artist's acrylics, retarder helps delay the drying process, and then you can brush away to your heart's content before it starts to dry significantly. Of course, the longer it is wet, the more cats hairs accumulate on it........ N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:48:11 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: <00f001c1e20f$8a4d67c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Tom wrote: > The next thing I knew was > the nozzle on the can split and in a couple of seconds I had a royal blue > splattered front door a pebble-dashed cream wall and a light blue carpet > with an interesting new pattern imposed on it. Scene on Gourdie's Manor: "Honey, I think I stepped on a Smurf! It's a mess out there..." D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:02:45 +0100 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: No Diego, what I actually said, and what was said to me, cannot be repeated on this list!! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Sent: 12 April 2002 11:50 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Tom wrote: > The next thing I knew was > the nozzle on the can split and in a couple of seconds I had a royal blue > splattered front door a pebble-dashed cream wall and a light blue carpet > with an interesting new pattern imposed on it. Scene on Gourdie's Manor: "Honey, I think I stepped on a Smurf! It's a mess out there..." D. This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:17:17 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Too late for the airbrush/brushes discussion Message-ID: <010701c1e213$9aec06a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> You would have attempted another gambit: "Dear, I'm considering changing the colour of the porch. Come see this test I made with Royal Blue, it's the latest fashion" ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gourdie > No Diego, what I actually said, and what was said to me, cannot be repeated > on this list!! > > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:38:10 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Airbrushing question Message-ID: <022101c1e216$862ae300$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Bill! > Now to more serious stuff. How long should the > typical WW1 kit take me to build? The finished model is irrelevant. What's important it's the fun of building them! D. Aethernal fun ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:02:17 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Roden news Message-ID: <00d401c1e219$e5a5e980$0200a8c0@x.pl> > Cool, especially if they do the DIII with the nose variants so that I can > use some of the Polish decals I got from all of the HitKit planes! > Mike Muth Not this time, now there is German D.III, AH (Oeffag) D.III will be later (I expect after holidays, so in September. But maybe earlier? G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:01:01 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: turmoil Message-ID: <024f01c1e219$b7d601c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Maybe you've already heard the news. Venezuela's president has fallen, after a crisis much like our on the last december. Does anyone knows of the whereabouts of our friend and ex-listee Alberto Rada? IIRC he lived in Caracas... Hope is all OK D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:06:34 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Eduard site showing art work of Camels.. Message-ID: <002b01c1e21a$7d760c40$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Have a look at the art work that is sprinkled around the eduard site. http://www.eduard.cz/ Looks good. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:11:50 +0200 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Odp: Re: Toko SSW D.III Message-ID: <010e01c1e21b$3b134ec0$0200a8c0@x.pl> > >Should I start the NVAF MiG-17F now? > > Careful, you just announced that to the list. ;-) Matt! Don't worry! It's OT: Nieuport Very Amazing Finest, Magnificent Illustrious and Great 17 Fighter. G. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:09:20 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: new rogues Message-ID: <026a01c1e21a$e0ef70e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I must confess that I don't check the Rogues Gallery too often, and I notice new faces there! Welcome Marcio, Ross and Kevin Mc Avoy to the ranks. It's specially striking Marcio's attire, that makes him look "jamesbondesque". A little touch of class in this rabble! D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4326 **********************