WWI Digest 4321

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Omega order
	by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com
  2) Brush or Air Brush?
	by "David R. Crowell" <gpfarm-dave@northnet.org>
  3) Re:When second best will do WAS Roden news
	by "Robert Baumgartner" <baumgartner@iprimus.com.au>
  4) Re: 5 colour camouflage
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
  5) Re: 5 colour camouflage
	by Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
  6) Re: 5 colour camouflage
	by Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
  7) Re: 5 colour camouflage
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
  8) Re: Toko SSW D.III
	by "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
  9) World Directory of the Alcoholic Beverage Industry
	by http:"//TheBeverageNetwork.com" <eric@thebeveragenetwork.com>
 10) New Sram Models
	by "Courtney Allen" <c-j-allen@worldnet.att.net>
 11) World Directory of the Alcoholic Beverage Industry
	by http:"//TheBeverageNetwork.com" <eric@thebeveragenetwork.com>
 12) Fok.D.II
	by Tom Plesha <plesha3@yahoo.com>
 13) Re: Austro-hungarian albatros-japo book
	by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com
 14) Re: New Sram Models
	by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com
 15) Re: 5 colour camouflage
	by Rory Goodwin <rorygood@earthlink.net>
 16) Re: 5 colour camouflage
	by Rory Goodwin <rorygood@earthlink.net>
 17) Re:When second best will do WAS Roden news
	by Rory Goodwin <rorygood@earthlink.net>
 18) Re: 5 colour camouflage
	by "Len Smith" <lensmith@clara.net>
 19) Sage 2.
	by "Len Smith" <lensmith@clara.net>
 20) Brush painting in 2002 (was Re: 5 colour camouflage) 
	by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it
 21) Post WWI French colours
	by "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@kaien.net>
 22) RE: Omega order
	by Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
 23) Re: CDL pfalz
	by "Nash, Graham" <graham.nash@citi.com>
 24) RE: Brush painting in 2002 (was Re: 5 colour camouflage) 
	by "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:11:28 -0400
From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: Omega order
Message-ID: <170808E6.1C39D7D8.138E644A@aol.com>

In a message dated Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:19:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:

<snip>
>Also keep in mind I'm talking The One True Scale here, 1/72nd. ;-)
>
>Whoops.  Didn't mean for that to come out so harsh <chuckle>.

How can anything related to a dinky scale be considered "harsh"?  The sound of a gnat flying near one's ear would be louder.  :-)

Mike Kavanaugh

>
>Matt Bittner
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:21:22 -0400
From: "David R. Crowell" <gpfarm-dave@northnet.org>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Brush or Air Brush?
Message-ID: <003b01c1e0ee$cfd58600$52230acf@e5gr6>

I brush paint because it is what I am used to, and I don't know enough about
airbrushes to select one suitable to my needs.

--dave



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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:53:57 +1000
From: "Robert Baumgartner" <baumgartner@iprimus.com.au>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re:When second best will do WAS Roden news
Message-ID: <007501c1e0e3$3ef1b330$4c00080a@rbaum>

The Roden Albatros is maybe three weeks away yet. I'm still labouring on the
Roden Gotha (to practice for Erics, oh I wonder how Brent is doing on his
;-)).

This reminds me of a delemma I have been having lately.
Because I have been trying new techniques and failing to various degrees, I
feel I don't want to "waste" the decals of my favourite colour schemes/
pilots on a substandard building effort.

The result is doing a pilot's marking that I normally wouldn't have done.
Thus my favourite markings rarely get done!

Am I the only one with this disease?

Rob B


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Moorhouse" <rossmoor@bigpond.net.au>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:33 PM
Subject: [WWI] Re: Roden news


> Cant wait to see the great job you will do on it. Any ETA on it being
> finished?
>
> Cheers
>
> Ross
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Baumgartner" <baumgartner@iprimus.com.au>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:13 PM
> Subject: [WWI] Re: Roden news
>
>
> > I have started mine. The fit is so-so.
> >
> > It is abit over engineered with the three piece wing, separate nose and
> > upper engine cowling. Nothing a blob or two of putty won't  fix but it
is
> a
> > little awkward.
> >
> > Just being spoilt by the "Eduard" fit syndrome I guess.
> >
> > Rob B
> >
> > > Has anyone built their latest Albatros yet ?? If so whats it like?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Ross




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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:26:23 
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage
Message-ID: <F263EvnmJbJo9n2LgHY0000b3e1@hotmail.com>

>No, Michael, my question was a serious query.

OK.  It's not always easy when I can't see you're facial experession.

>This is like saying nobody can afford a car because a Mercedes costs
>$50,000.  For general painting it would "seem" that a $10 chinese
>airbrush and a spare tire as an air source would be superior to brush
>painting.  I certainly found it so back in the 60s when I had such a
>rig.  I will readily admit that my nicer airbrushes and compressors
>make things nicer but my original brush rig would cost no more than
>$20 with a brush from eBay and a Badger tire adapter.  This is less
>than the price of many of the models being built.

Sure, and I could scratchbuild a Vickers Vimy from bits of an old rotary 
phone but it wouldn't look as nice as if I did it from a kit.  If you can 
make a really good paint job with a retread, more power to you.  Being a 
mere mortal, I need a compressor - although I got mine for $50 second hand.


>Let me ask you this, since I've seen a bunch of your work and like it
>very much.  Do you brush-paint your models?

Airbrush and brush paint the little details.  BUT, before I had an airbrush 
I liked the results from hand brushing enamels although certain types of 
markings were a lot more difficult.

>I guess I should finish with - "I'm not trying to start a fight here.

Put 'em up! Put 'em up!

>  I'm just genuinely interested in why some people are brush-painting
>entire models in 2002."

Expense.  Space - you need a big area or at least some form of venting.  
It's a lot of trouble.

Ask Nigel Raynor or Len Smith.

Michael



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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:48:18 -0400
From: Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage
Message-ID: <20020411014757.ZMIN15050.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@there>


> BTW, someone asked why brush paint when you can use an airbrush. 

It was I.

> ok.  If not, then hand brushing is a viable fix.  I use the
> airbrush a lot, but still do all the small, detailed stuff and
> rudder stripe repairs, etc. by brush.

Sure...too much trouble to to otherwise for a lot of this stuff.  My 
query was more about doing things like brush-painting "overall gray 
to show any flaws" and stuff like that.  I just can't imagine 
brush-painting PC10 on a Pup, for instance.  

> Hey, didn't mean to write a book but this is a subject that is near
> and dear.

He who writes, gives.  Keep on giving - it is appreciated.

Cheers --- Larry



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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:57:33 -0400
From: Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage
Message-ID: <20020411015711.HKRD19349.tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net@there>


> OK.  It's not always easy when I can't see you're facial
> experession.

Ooo...my face would scare you and I'd never get an answer :-)

> Sure, and I could scratchbuild a Vickers Vimy from bits of an old
> rotary phone but it wouldn't look as nice as if I did it from a
> kit.  If you can make a really good paint job with a retread, more
> power to you. 

I would only claim to be able to get a better one or two color paint 
job with such an airbrush setup than I could get with a brush.  Most 
of that, I suppose, is a lack of expertise with a brush but I've 
always found it hard to get a brushed paint coat as thin as I can get 
with an airbrush, even a cheap one.

> Being a mere mortal, I need a compressor - although
> I got mine for $50 second hand.

Given that I own a couple Badger, a Paasche, and an Aztec brush I 
must have seen advantages to these.  I own a 5hp compressor with a 
tank and a smaller compressor and find both useful for many things so 
I guess I would agree that this is far better than a minimalist 
airbrush system

> >I guess I should finish with - "I'm not trying to start a fight
> > here.
>
> Put 'em up! Put 'em up!

Too old and feeble...just say 'boo' and I'll fall down.

> Expense.  Space - you need a big area or at least some form of
> venting. It's a lot of trouble.

Good points all.  I was just curious about whether I was missing 
something new.  I've been away from plastics for a bunch of years and 
come from a time when we actually thought Monogram SE5s were a step 
forward.  With all the new kits I'm sure there's a bunch of 
techniques that I need to learn and just wanted to find out if 
something had changed with respect to brush-painting.  

Cheers --- Larry

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:08:40 
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage
Message-ID: <F237l3xbYiMCIqtQvAa00007192@hotmail.com>

>From: Larry Marshall <larrym@sympatico.ca>
>
>Sure...too much trouble to to otherwise for a lot of this stuff.  My
>query was more about doing things like brush-painting "overall gray
>to show any flaws" and stuff like that.  I just can't imagine
>brush-painting PC10 on a Pup, for instance.

Works with enamels.  I did it on a Snipe

http://www.wwi-models.org/IM/British/snipe.html

I'm not saying it's fantastic but it's decent.  Not as thin as you can get 
with an airbrush though.

Ideally, I'd like to airbrush enamels but I have no feasible means of 
venting the fumes so I stick to acrylics.

Michael

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:17:26 
From: "Michael Kendix" <mkendix@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Toko SSW D.III
Message-ID: <F27qNCsuKpaHk6nMtrz0000cd40@hotmail.com>

>From: Eric GALLAUD <egallaud@club-internet.fr>
>Thanks for all, I'm "afraid" that I have to order this 
> >correction/conversion
>kit.

Just started building the SSW and the resin Hawkeye top wing is warped.  I 
could attempt a straighteing job but some resin has a nasty memory and 
reverts to its warp after straightening - e.g. Matt Bittner's SPAD.

This is not to denegrate Hawkeye, though I'v kept it in a closet - could 
have been heated in transit to the store where I bought it - who knows.  
Guess I'm using the kit wing.

Michael

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:30:37 -0700
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:34:55 -0700
From: "Courtney Allen" <c-j-allen@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: New Sram Models
Message-ID: <001701c1e101$77c83170$0258510c@oemcomputer>

List,

Just a quite note about my latest "care package" from Lubos.  In it were two
of the new SRAM kits, the Zepplin Staaken R.VI and AEG G.IV in 1/144 scale.
If anyone is interested I can provide an "out-of-box" review.  Most
impressive. Of special interest - The kits now come with decals!

Courtney




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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Plesha <plesha3@yahoo.com>
To: wwi <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Fok.D.II
Message-ID: <20020411030627.8072.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All-
Can anyone suggest a reference to see the Fok.D.II
wing strut attachments?  I have DF on these but there
is nothing in there that shows the attachment of the
struts.
TIA
OBTW, thats next, after the Career Pup.  (hopefully,
not another attempt at a career type project)
Later
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:05:17 -0400
From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Austro-hungarian albatros-japo book
Message-ID: <637B9C22.327DE39B.138E644A@aol.com>

I have had two Japo books on order with Roll Models for many months, one of which I believe is the book you are referring to.  If and when I ever receive it, I will be glad to send you a scan.

This is not to fault John.  He has gotten some books for me that I didn't think would ever be available . . . it just takes a lot of time.  I guess we work in a niche that just doesn't enjoy the highest priority in terms of world commerce.

In a message dated Wed, 10 Apr 2002  5:06:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mario Didier <mariodidier@inwind.it> writes:

>I am desperately looking for some profile, I was told contained in the 
>Japo book on Austro-hungarian Oeffag Albatross, of sworl fabric covered 
>aircrafts.
>Could anyone in posses of this book to be so kind to send me some scan?
>Thanks in advance.
>Mario Didier
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:28:03 -0400
From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: New Sram Models
Message-ID: <258660F1.6EB9A9BE.138E644A@aol.com>

I'm crushed!  Today I received six of the seven kits I ordered from Lubos last January.  The Staaken was not among them.  When I earlier asked Lubos about the delay with the order, he said he was still trying to get the Staaken.

You must be truly blessed or paying bribes for favored treatment.  In either case, I would appreciate an in-box review of the Staaken.  It may be the closest I get to it for some time.  :-((

Mike Kavanaugh

In a message dated Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:41:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Courtney Allen" <c-j-allen@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>List,
>
>Just a quite note about my latest "care package" from Lubos.  In it were two
>of the new SRAM kits, the Zepplin Staaken R.VI and AEG G.IV in 1/144 scale.
>If anyone is interested I can provide an "out-of-box" review.  Most
>impressive. Of special interest - The kits now come with decals!
>
>Courtney
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:25:29 -0700
From: Rory Goodwin <rorygood@earthlink.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage
Message-ID: <3CB51038.47FB2B4A@earthlink.net>


Extension cord and cardboard box in the balcony/patio/garage/driveway?

>
>
> Ideally, I'd like to airbrush enamels but I have no feasible means of
> venting the fumes so I stick to acrylics.
>
> Michael
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:35:13 -0700
From: Rory Goodwin <rorygood@earthlink.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage
Message-ID: <3CB51280.4044CFC3@earthlink.net>

I think quality of the brush, optimum thinning of paint and skill are all
major factors in attaining satisfactory results.  I'm still hesitant to
spend what is required for good artist's brushes. Even with great
brushes, I don't have the patience for multiple coats which almost always
have brush marks.  Also very difficult to get the look of a spray job
(feathered edges) with a brush.

Speaking of airbrushes, what's a good source for fine or ultra-fine tips
for a Badger 150 or a Paasche H?  I also need an air line for the
Paasche.

Larry Marshall wrote:

>
>
> I would only claim to be able to get a better one or two color paint
> job with such an airbrush setup than I could get with a brush.  Most
> of that, I suppose, is a lack of expertise with a brush but I've
> always found it hard to get a brushed paint coat as thin as I can get
> with an airbrush, even a cheap one.
>


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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:41:58 -0700
From: Rory Goodwin <rorygood@earthlink.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re:When second best will do WAS Roden news
Message-ID: <3CB51415.157B9E47@earthlink.net>

Guilty as charged.  I used to (and still do) think of it as a learning curve,
although I would try to save not only the decals but the good kits for when my
skills were 'up to it'.  Meanwhile, I'd lose interest after having built the
worst kits of a once interesting subject and later lose money selling the good
kits off.  I'm endeavoring to expand my attention span and hang onto the good
kits until I become interested again...

Robert Baumgartner wrote:

> This reminds me of a delemma I have been having lately.
> Because I have been trying new techniques and failing to various degrees, I
> feel I don't want to "waste" the decals of my favourite colour schemes/
> pilots on a substandard building effort.
>
> The result is doing a pilot's marking that I normally wouldn't have done.
> Thus my favourite markings rarely get done!
>
> Am I the only one with this disease?
>
> Rob B
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Moorhouse" <rossmoor@bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:33 PM
> Subject: [WWI] Re: Roden news
>
> > Cant wait to see the great job you will do on it. Any ETA on it being
> > finished?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Baumgartner" <baumgartner@iprimus.com.au>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:13 PM
> > Subject: [WWI] Re: Roden news
> >
> >
> > > I have started mine. The fit is so-so.
> > >
> > > It is abit over engineered with the three piece wing, separate nose and
> > > upper engine cowling. Nothing a blob or two of putty won't  fix but it
> is
> > a
> > > little awkward.
> > >
> > > Just being spoilt by the "Eduard" fit syndrome I guess.
> > >
> > > Rob B
> > >
> > > > Has anyone built their latest Albatros yet ?? If so whats it like?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Ross


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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:28:12 +0100
From: "Len Smith" <lensmith@clara.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage
Message-ID: <000201c1e121$b5981d60$f04f08c3@oemcomputer>

From: "Larry Marshall" <larrym@sympatico.ca>

> > I am just practising brush painting on my Ni.27, so here is what I
> > am doing:
>
> Please excuse my ignorance but is this some sort of new manly
> approach to modeling that has come into being while I was away from
> plastics?  Why would anyone brushpaint the basic color patterns on a
> model.

Larry,
Thank you for giving me the best laugh that I have had for quite a while.
I assume that your modelling scale is 1/48 or larger, in which case there
may possibly be some use for an airbrush.  However, looking at some (most?)
airbrushed models I am always struck by their 'flat' appearance, no
variations unless considerable after work is done.   A 'normal' brush gives
a slight difference in shading by its very nature.
Reverting to the original subject of this string, the very thought of
airbrushing a 1/72 French single seater in its 5 colour 'basic' pattern
almost gives me hysterics.  By the time all masking, set ups and sprays have
been done, the hand brushed poor relation has long since been finished and
the next model half built.   Sorry Larry, but for me at least an airbrush is
a complete waste of money and time.
Regards   Len.

lensmith@clara.net
http://home.clara.net/lensmith





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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:36:39 +0100
From: "Len Smith" <lensmith@clara.net>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Sage 2.
Message-ID: <000301c1e121$b636ce60$f04f08c3@oemcomputer>

Greetings,
Some while ago someone was asking about there being a photo of the right
hand side of this aircraft, if possible showing the entry door.  I have just
come across a photo of a naked airframe, still the left side unfortunately,
which does not appear to show a door, but two footsteps giving access to the
gunners 'hole'.  Possibly this was the only means of entry.
Regards   Len.
lensmith@clara.net
http://home.clara.net/lensmith



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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:40:36 +0200
From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it
To: "Wwi Modeling List \(E-mail\)" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Brush painting in 2002 (was Re: 5 colour camouflage) 
Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F066E@SERVER1>

Why brush painting in 2002 ?

Well, in my modest view, I find there are a number of good reasons:

- masking: painting a multi-colour scheme needs masking when you are using
an airbrush. Vacs, especially in 1/72nd scale, have very thin flying
surfaces, prone to bend easily when you take that masking material off, and
this is definitely not a good thing, as it can damage the model, as well as
its surface details (such as decal rib tapes);

- brush painting is quicker: I know this can sound strange, as airbrush
painting has better covering properties (thus needing less coats), but you
have to wait for each colour to dry before painting the next one, while you
can paint almost all the colours on simoultaneously when you use a brush, as
there is no need of masking;

- raised edges between colours: masking usually means reaised edges between
colours, a defect which is definitely avoided by brush painting.

This is not to demonstrate anything, of course. Just to answer to
interesting questions. Modelling should be fun, and applying your favourite
techniques is a large part of this fun, in my view.

Happy modelling !

Alberto Casirati


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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:07:22 -0700
From: "Bob Pearson" <bpearson@kaien.net>
To: ww1 mailing list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Post WWI French colours
Message-ID: <101851252601@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com>

Anyone know what colours were worn by French aircraft in the post WWI period
prior to the adoption of dark green uppers, light blue lowers? By this I
mean those built at the end of the war or just after it .. but that did not
serve in the war itself. . ie new designs that don't have recognized camo
patterns like the SPAD XIII etc

Bob

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:08:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Hayes <thayes_52601@yahoo.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: RE: Omega order
Message-ID: <20020411080852.56981.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Myles,

Most of the 1/48 engines are the same as comes in the
kits.  I have the 1/48 Mosca MBbis and the Gnome
engine in it is very nice.  It includes separate
cylinders, crankcase, and induction pipes.  Basically,
it's like a scaled up version of the 1/72 engines.  To
paraphrase Matt, they are very nice and the 1/48
versions are probably just as good.  The 1/72 Russian
bombs and camera were decent too, weren't they Matt?

Todd
--- Myles Miller <myles.miller@thc.state.tx.us> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Has anyone received and can comment on the OT resin
> engine (Mercedes,
> Oberusel. Gnome) and gun (Spandau, Lewis) detail
> sets offered by Omega?
> The website mostly shows pictures of real 1:1
> engines, so it is hard to get
> an idea of the quality of the resin items.
> 
> Thanks, 
> Myles
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:12:11 +0100
From: "Nash, Graham" <graham.nash@citi.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: CDL pfalz
Message-ID: <07720BA40FFED2118E03002048403D020876F497@exchuk08.eu.ssmb.com>

There is a shot of a CDL Pfalz E.VI taking off at A-H Naval base, Pola
(captioned as an E.I) in C&C(GB) Vol 2 No 3.

Uncle Sniffy
-----Original Message----- From: Lance Krieg [mailto:lance.krieg@amerus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: [WWI] Re: pfalzies Mack wants a picture of a CDL Pfalz E.VI: 


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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:15:04 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Brush painting in 2002 (was Re: 5 colour camouflage) 
Message-ID: <008201c1e141$bf9632a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>

Seeing that I'm the culprit of asking about ancient arts of brush painting
in modern times, I'll try to explain my personal reasons, without disregard
of the reasons already given by other listees:

- Firstly, I hate appliances. The very tought of having a compressor
whizzing and rumbling and amounting air pressure in its misterious bowels
and a delicate painting instrument that must be thoroughly washed everytime
that it snoozes puts me off.

- Usually I build my models in my bedroom/office room. I don't want to have
paint clouds inside the room.

- I have several good brushes and use a quite good brand of enamels (Mo-lak)
wich properly thinned are a bliss and rearely leave brushmarks.

- I can save time from masking, using it to paint the model. I'm not too
fast modelling because my spare time is very limited, but I guess that it'll
take me ages to cut frisket masks of all the patterns.

- Cleaning can be done with some rags, a cup of thinner and soap and water
from the faucet. I can spend 2 hours painting and all cleaning operations
are finished in 10 minutes.

- Lastly, since many airplanes of WW1 were painted by brush, I like the
tought of having a miniature crew member painting the scale model with a
scale brush. This last reason is also a hint that things don't work properly
inside my head, but I actually like how it feels.

I guess that the only paint scheme that I would consider very hard to do
with brushes are the all-silver/metal airplanes, but I guess that these can
be painted easily with any spray can! (ah, all those british planes of the
30s!)
Just my 2 devaluated pesos
D.
PS: Yes, brush painting must be considered as a manly quality. I would never
use make up with an airbrush!!


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