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*11- Casino companies should have programs to discourage underage gambling.

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*14- Gender


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------=_NextPart_000_0101_01C1D022.50086F00-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:37:55 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Toko SSW D.III Message-ID: Ailerons were different as well, IIRC. Matt Bittner On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:15:04 -0400 (EDT), Bob Pearson wrote: > The cowl on the early ones was also fuller, with a smaller cutout at the > bottom exposing less of the engine from the side. The JG.II ones were later > sent back to the factory and rebuilt into what we are more familiar with. > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: "Michael Kendix" > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Toko SSW D.III > >Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2002, 7:09 pm > > > > > I'm having a sort of bothered feeling about the Toko SSW D.III kit. > > I have the mid/late Hawkeye enhancement/correction kit but the kit. > > > > Is Jasta 12's Greven a mid/early SSW D.III. I have the Datafile if you need > > to point me in the right direction. > > > > What's the difference between the early and mid/late versions, aside from > > the head rest on the early versions? > > > > Michael > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:31:46 -0400 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Toko SSW D.III Message-ID: <002501c1e07a$ea8fa940$e5001c18@tampabay.rr.com> I also have the Hawkeye kit to go with the Toko one. Those Hawkeye wings are so thin that they cry out for a translucent CDL finish. I think that it was only the prototype that had CDL wings and that can't be directly made with the Toko & Hawkeye kits. Anyone know of a machine that can be built from the 2 kits that had CDL wings? sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:32:12 +1000 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Roden news Message-ID: <004c01c1e083$5bb65c60$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Cant wait to see the great job you will do on it. Any ETA on it being finished? Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Baumgartner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Roden news > I have started mine. The fit is so-so. > > It is abit over engineered with the three piece wing, separate nose and > upper engine cowling. Nothing a blob or two of putty won't fix but it is a > little awkward. > > Just being spoilt by the "Eduard" fit syndrome I guess. > > Rob B > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross Moorhouse" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:28 AM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Roden news > > > > > Has anyone built their latest Albatros yet ?? If so whats it like? > > > > Cheers > > > > Ross > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:41:54 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Toko SSW D.III Message-ID: Is there any documentation or plans for the early version? Should I start the NVAF MiG-17F now? Michael >Ailerons were different as well, IIRC. > >Matt Bittner > >On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:15:04 -0400 (EDT), Bob Pearson wrote: > >>The cowl on the early ones was also fuller, with a smaller cutout at >>the >>bottom exposing less of the engine from the side. The JG.II ones >>were >>later sent back to the factory and rebuilt into what we are more >> >>familiar with. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Toko SSW D.III Message-ID: <20020410124643.BDADC4689E@eclipse.qis.net> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:44:39 -0400 (EDT), Michael Kendix wrote: >Is there any documentation or plans for the early version? If the plans in the Datafile don't reflect it, then there is an issue of WW1 Aero that showed the differences, along with (IIRC) drawings. Don't remember the issue, though. >Should I start the NVAF MiG-17F now? Careful, you just announced that to the list. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:03:17 +0100 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker Drawing qn Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3017E4AAA@TUFAO> IIRC, on one site that was brought to my attention by one of Matt's ever timely discoveries, that deals with small scale armor and has info and drawings on converting the Airfix Mk I tank into a real MK I and II, there are links to 2 freeware programs meant to generate 2d drawings from photos and stuff like that. I've never tried it and I've lost the link. If any one cares to search and comes upon it, I'd appreciate if the URL would be brough up to The List. I'll do some search to on my end whern I get the time. I've been awfully busy lately... HTH Pedro (off to a booring meeting now.... ;-( > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Fletcher [mailto:nieuport@rogers.com] > Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Abril de 2002 5:53 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker Drawing qn > > > WW1 Aero had a program a while ago that would transform a dxf traced > from a photo into a 3-view drawing. It seemed to do a pretty good job > except with rudders since it is next to impossible to determine the > angle the rudder is at to the fuselage. The best results came from > photos that were taken from an angle of approximately 45 degrees from > each of the axis as anything close to an axis would get distorted from > the lack on information. I didn't have the budget for it when I was > looking into it but the logic was sound. IIRC it was either a DOS or > Win3x program though. > > Mike Fl. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:32:29 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <010f01c1e094$298d6b00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Attention brush painters! I'm about to start brush painting the 5 colour camouflage on the Spad XIII. I don't want to erase any surface detail with thick enamel, so I'll use thinned paint. But thinned paint covers less, so multiple cats must be applied. How to keep a sharp edge on the different colours after repeated coats and don't make a "step" between colours? Also, wich is the preferred sequence of colour painting? I already applied an overall beige coat as a primer. Thanks in advance D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker Drawing qn Message-ID: <20020410142442.18137468F6@eclipse.qis.net> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:05:26 -0400 (EDT), "Pedro N. Soares" wrote: >IIRC, on one site that was brought to my attention by one of Matt's ever >timely discoveries, that deals with small scale armor and has info and >drawings on converting the Airfix Mk I tank into a real MK I and II, there >are links to 2 freeware programs meant to generate 2d drawings from photos >and stuff like that. I've never tried it and I've lost the link. If any one >cares to search and comes upon it, I'd appreciate if the URL would be brough >up to The List. I'll do some search to on my end whern I get the time. I've >been awfully busy lately... http://home.hccnet.nl/h.van.oerle/ Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <20020410142601.EAE1B468F6@eclipse.qis.net> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT), Diego Fernetti wrote: >But thinned paint covers less, so multiple cats must be >applied. But how do they feel about it? Plus, watch out for hairballs. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:29:58 -0400 From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <7195C725.079472AB.138E644A@aol.com> Hi Diego, First, I would leave the "multiple cats" alone and stick to brushes. ;-) Usual sequence is to move from lightest to darkest colors in that order. It's very difficult to avoid "steps" if you use masking materials with multiple coats. How steady is your free-hand brushing? You can lightly mark (pencil?) the color deliniations on the model, then paint lightest color first only where you want it and for as many coats as you need. When completely dry, do the next color only where it is needed. If you don't need as many coats overall in the darker colors, you can still add a little more along the color demarcation to avoid a step. A daunting task. I did this is repairing a botched up masking job on an ot kit with 3-color camo. It wasn't too bad. A steadier hand and a better brush technique would have done a better job. FWIW,HTH,IMHO, Etc. Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Wed, 10 Apr 2002  9:40:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Diego Fernetti" writes: >Attention brush painters! >I'm about to start brush painting the 5 colour camouflage on the Spad XIII. >I don't want to erase any surface detail with thick enamel, so I'll use >thinned paint. But thinned paint covers less, so multiple cats must be >applied. How to keep a sharp edge on the different colours after repeated >coats and don't make a "step" between colours? >Also, wich is the preferred sequence of colour painting? I already applied >an overall beige coat as a primer. >Thanks in advance >D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:33:26 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <013101c1e09c$acff0a40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I know, I know, I'm a lousy typer! I painted a dog once, but it was an accident... the paint fell on it while he was walking under my ladder. It was true bad luck for it! Any idea to avoid raised paint edges on the camo schemes? Remember I don't have an airbrush D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: 5 colour camouflage > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT), Diego Fernetti wrote: > > >But thinned paint covers less, so multiple cats must be > >applied. > > But how do they feel about it? Plus, watch out for hairballs. > > :-) > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:04:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <015801c1e0a1$09c13ce0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Mike! > First, I would leave the "multiple cats" alone and stick to brushes. ;-) Yes, Animal Rights Associations have already complained about my painting methods. > How steady is your free-hand brushing? Kind of shaky, before the first whisky shot. I don't worry because I rarely paint early in the morning. ;-) > You can lightly mark (pencil?) the color deliniations on the model I was thinking on drawing the color demarcation lines with respective colored pencils to avopid graphite lines showing thru. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:13:01 -0400 From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <15BA420A.0218F763.138E644A@aol.com> In a message dated Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:05:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Diego Fernetti" writes: > >I was thinking on drawing the color demarcation lines with respective >colored pencils to avopid graphite lines showing thru. >D. Good idea. In the case I mentioned, I didn't draw lines because the lines from my first attempt were still visible. Good luck. Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:25:26 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: 5 colour camouflage Message-ID: <017001c1e0a3$f0e1b760$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Mike! > Good idea. In the case I mentioned, I didn't draw lines because the lines from my first attempt were still visible. They were done in pencil? > Good luck. I'll need it! D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4319 **********************